hackerskeyboard / Tickets / #116 More "hackish" in portrait mode

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Anonymous - 2011-12-01

Originally posted by: Klaus.We...@gmail.com

Have you tried activating the 5-row layout for portrait mode in the keyboard's settings menu? The 5" screen may be big enough for that to be usable.

Most of the characters should also be available in the 4-row layout in the ?123 and Alt maps, but I agree that it's not very convenient.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of long-press since that's slow to use, I'm looking into a slide-up extension keyboard as a quicker alternative.

*Originally posted by:* [Klaus.We...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/115621749438987443961/) Have you tried activating the 5-row layout for portrait mode in the keyboard's settings menu? The 5" screen may be big enough for that to be usable. Most of the characters should also be available in the 4-row layout in the ?123 and Alt maps, but I agree that it's not very convenient. Personally I'm not a huge fan of long-press since that's slow to use, I'm looking into a slide-up extension keyboard as a quicker alternative.

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Anonymous - 2011-12-01

Originally posted by: 3575...@gmail.com

> Have you tried activating the 5-row layout for portrait mode in the keyboard's
> settings menu? The 5" screen may be big enough for that to be usable.

Of course, but this mode still somewhat small. In 4-rows I can use two thumbs on my Note.

> Most of the characters should also be available in the 4-row layout in the ?123 and
> Alt maps, but I agree that it's not very convenient.

Yes, but this is very uncomfortable, because of "text" matter of this layout. Frequently used keys in system administration (like '\', '|', '~' or '`') can be found on Alt map, but many punctuation symbols is duplicated in long tap menu for '.' and in ?123 layout. And alt map is not "sticky", so I must always tap ?123 -> Alt for these symbols.

> Personally I'm not a huge fan of long-press since that's slow to use

Yes, but this method can be used for just expansion of the current layout, by adding these "system" symbols to long tap menu for ',', by example. And in any case this will be faster, than use alt layout :-( '\' and '|' used _very_ often on *nixes and '|' used in *nixes and cisco, by example.

And in any case, there is need to add "tab" and "ctrl" on main layout, at least. And will be desirable to add alt and arrow keys (on second layout by example).

*Originally posted by:* [3575...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/108393087622801383371/) > Have you tried activating the 5-row layout for portrait mode in the keyboard's > settings menu? The 5" screen may be big enough for that to be usable. Of course, but this mode still somewhat small. In 4-rows I can use two thumbs on my Note. > Most of the characters should also be available in the 4-row layout in the ?123 and > Alt maps, but I agree that it's not very convenient. Yes, but this is very uncomfortable, because of "text" matter of this layout. Frequently used keys in system administration \(like '\', '|', '~' or '\`'\) can be found on Alt map, but many punctuation symbols is duplicated in long tap menu for '.' and in ?123 layout. And alt map is not "sticky", so I must always tap ?123 -> Alt for these symbols. > Personally I'm not a huge fan of long-press since that's slow to use Yes, but this method can be used for just expansion of the current layout, by adding these "system" symbols to long tap menu for ',', by example. And in any case this will be faster, than use alt layout :-\( '\' and '|' used \_very\_ often on \*nixes and '|' used in \*nixes and cisco, by example. And in any case, there is need to add "tab" and "ctrl" on main layout, at least. And will be desirable to add alt and arrow keys \(on second layout by example\).

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Anonymous - 2011-12-17

Originally posted by: Klaus.We...@gmail.com

On my experimental branch, I've now reactivated the slide-up extension keyboard that was present in the AOSP branch but disabled before release. It includes digits and punctuation on rows 5 and 6 in portrait mode, these extra rows appear when you slide upwards from the main keyboard into the completion or text editing area.

If you're feeling experimental, try this download: http://code.google.com/p/hackerskeyboard/downloads/detail?name=hackerskeyboard-v1028-experiment5.apk - note that includes various other lightly-tested changes, let me know if you notice it behaving unexpectedly.

At this point, this is mainly intended as a proof of concept to show an alternative to long-press. Going forward, I want to make the content of these rows configurable too along with the overall customizability (issue 13).

Status: Started

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*Originally posted by:* [Klaus.We...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/115621749438987443961/) On my experimental branch, I've now reactivated the slide-up extension keyboard that was present in the AOSP branch but disabled before release. It includes digits and punctuation on rows 5 and 6 in portrait mode, these extra rows appear when you slide upwards from the main keyboard into the completion or text editing area. If you're feeling experimental, try this download: [http://code.google.com/p/hackerskeyboard/downloads/detail?name=hackerskeyboard-v1028-experiment5.apk](http://code.google.com/p/hackerskeyboard/downloads/detail?name=hackerskeyboard-v1028-experiment5.apk) \- note that includes various other lightly-tested changes, let me know if you notice it behaving unexpectedly. At this point, this is mainly intended as a proof of concept to show an alternative to long-press. Going forward, I want to make the content of these rows configurable too along with the overall customizability \([issue 13](#13)\). **Status:** Started

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Anonymous - 2011-12-19

Originally posted by: 3575...@gmail.com

Yes, I take a look on this concept and this solution is more convenient, of course, but in this case you may use swipe from _any_ key for change. From 'dot' by examle ;-)

But this is another problem. What about main issue of this ticket? Will you make some changes in the _main_ layout in portrait mode?

*Originally posted by:* [3575...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/108393087622801383371/) Yes, I take a look on this concept and this solution is more convenient, of course, but in this case you may use swipe from \_any\_ key for change. From 'dot' by examle ;-\) But this is another problem. What about main issue of this ticket? Will you make some changes in the \_main\_ layout in portrait mode?

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Anonymous - 2011-12-19

Originally posted by: Klaus.We...@gmail.com

I'm looking into options, mainly based around customizable keymaps and more flexible configurations. For example, I'd like to support a portrait layout with 11 horizontal keys instead of 10, which would make room for 4 extra keys. One of those could be an extra mode switch for a cursor key mode. The US Dvorak keyboard and a few Scandinavian ones already use 11-across, and it's nice to have a dedicated apostrophe key for plain text too.

However, I'm not sure if it's something I'd want to offer as a standard layout since it'll be very much a matter of taste which keys people consider important enough to add, and I'm sure if I arbitrarily pick a few extra keys there'll be more people complaining that approving. So it's pretty much dependent on having the user-customizable key maps in place so that people can change it, and that's what I'm working on first.

*Originally posted by:* [Klaus.We...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/115621749438987443961/) I'm looking into options, mainly based around customizable keymaps and more flexible configurations. For example, I'd like to support a portrait layout with 11 horizontal keys instead of 10, which would make room for 4 extra keys. One of those could be an extra mode switch for a cursor key mode. The US Dvorak keyboard and a few Scandinavian ones already use 11-across, and it's nice to have a dedicated apostrophe key for plain text too. However, I'm not sure if it's something I'd want to offer as a standard layout since it'll be very much a matter of taste which keys people consider important enough to add, and I'm sure if I arbitrarily pick a few extra keys there'll be more people complaining that approving. So it's pretty much dependent on having the user-customizable key maps in place so that people can change it, and that's what I'm working on first.

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Anonymous - 2011-12-19

Originally posted by: 3575...@gmail.com

It's matter of your choice, of course, but I repeat: right now "portrait mode layout" is the same as any other keyboards. This layout useful _only_ for text typing, not for any other works like system administration or something like this. So in the current state even standard swipe keyboard, built-in in my Samsung is more useful for me :-(

In any case, the layout editor will solve this and many other problems ;-)

*Originally posted by:* [3575...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/108393087622801383371/) It's matter of your choice, of course, but I repeat: right now "portrait mode layout" is the same as any other keyboards. This layout useful \_only\_ for text typing, not for any other works like system administration or something like this. So in the current state even standard swipe keyboard, built-in in my Samsung is more useful for me :-\( In any case, the layout editor will solve this and many other problems ;-\)

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Anonymous - 2011-12-19

Originally posted by: Klaus.We...@gmail.com

I understand your point, the issue is that it's currently only feasible to support a single portrait layout per language since editing and maintaining the XML files for them is a giant pain. Given that constraint, I've stuck to the original layout which works fairly well for text. Personally I just flip the phone to landscape mode when I need to type something complicated, but for serious command line work I think a keyboardless phone won't ever be great. I miss my G1 sometimes...

Originally I had only intended this keyboard for tablets, supporting phones at all had been a later addition...

*Originally posted by:* [Klaus.We...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/115621749438987443961/) I understand your point, the issue is that it's currently only feasible to support a single portrait layout per language since editing and maintaining the XML files for them is a giant pain. Given that constraint, I've stuck to the original layout which works fairly well for text. Personally I just flip the phone to landscape mode when I need to type something complicated, but for serious command line work I think a keyboardless phone won't ever be great. I miss my G1 sometimes... Originally I had only intended this keyboard for tablets, supporting phones at all had been a later addition...

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Anonymous - 2011-12-19

Originally posted by: 3575...@gmail.com

Ok, I understand your point. Of course my old N900 was more useful for this, but...

OTOH, I think only one "special" language layout ("language independent", marked as "system" by example) wiil good solution fo users like me :-)

*Originally posted by:* [3575...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/108393087622801383371/) Ok, I understand your point. Of course my old N900 was more useful for this, but... OTOH, I think only one "special" language layout \("language independent", marked as "system" by example\) wiil good solution fo users like me :-\)

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Anonymous - 2011-12-28

Originally posted by: Klaus.We...@gmail.com

If you want to try the bleeding edge experience, download v1.28-experiment10 from http://code.google.com/p/hackerskeyboard/downloads/list which offers a new compact portrait 5-row layout for phones. It's English only at this point.

To use the new portrait mode layout, select "en_EX" in input languages and make sure that "full keyboard in portrait mode" is turned off.

The "suggestions in landscape mode" setting also applies to this mode, suppressing suggestions if off.

Note that there are three ways to get the characters from missing keys such as "[":

- long-press the key where it's showing that symbol as the second alternate hint
- use the Fn button to switch keymaps (it supports multitouch)
- swipe up to above the keyboard edge, and select from the extension keyboard

Comments and feedback are welcome :-)

*Originally posted by:* [Klaus.We...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/115621749438987443961/) If you want to try the bleeding edge experience, download v1.28-experiment10 from [http://code.google.com/p/hackerskeyboard/downloads/list](http://code.google.com/p/hackerskeyboard/downloads/list) which offers a new compact portrait 5-row layout for phones. It's English only at this point. To use the new portrait mode layout, select "en\_EX" in input languages and make sure that "full keyboard in portrait mode" is turned off. The "suggestions in landscape mode" setting also applies to this mode, suppressing suggestions if off. Note that there are three ways to get the characters from missing keys such as "\[": \- long-press the key where it's showing that symbol as the second alternate hint \- use the Fn button to switch keymaps \(it supports multitouch\) \- swipe up to above the keyboard edge, and select from the extension keyboard Comments and feedback are welcome :-\)

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Anonymous - 2011-12-28

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Screenshots attached for the experimental version.

*Originally posted by:* [Klaus.We...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/115621749438987443961/) Screenshots attached for the experimental version.

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Anonymous - 2011-12-29

Originally posted by: 3575...@gmail.com

It's coool!!! Thank you!!! I'm happy!!! It's the best New Year's gift for me.
Right now this is the best portrait keyboard for system administration works on my Note. Thank you again :-)

I can find only some small glitches, but all of these is not for this issue. But only one small request here: can you add 'Esc' key to somewhere else? I mean the second instance. On Fn screen instead '.com' or 'smile'? All other keys is settled very wise :-)

P.S. Happy New Year and Thank you again! :-)

*Originally posted by:* [3575...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/108393087622801383371/) It's coool\!\!\! Thank you\!\!\! I'm happy\!\!\! It's the best New Year's gift for me. Right now this is the best portrait keyboard for system administration works on my Note. Thank you again :-\) I can find only some small glitches, but all of these is not for this issue. But only one small request here: can you add 'Esc' key to somewhere else? I mean the second instance. On Fn screen instead '.com' or 'smile'? All other keys is settled very wise :-\) P.S. Happy New Year and Thank you again\! :-\)

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Anonymous - 2011-12-31

Originally posted by: Klaus.We...@gmail.com

The new layout is now also included in the prerelease build, try v1.28rc13 or later from http://code.google.com/p/hackerskeyboard/downloads/list .

Now with Esc key on the Fn keymap :-)

Bonus feature: try the new configurable keyboard swipe actions, for example assigning swipe up to toggle suggestions display.

Status: FixInTest

*Originally posted by:* [Klaus.We...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/115621749438987443961/) The new layout is now also included in the prerelease build, try v1.28rc13 or later from [http://code.google.com/p/hackerskeyboard/downloads/list](http://code.google.com/p/hackerskeyboard/downloads/list) . Now with Esc key on the Fn keymap :-\) Bonus feature: try the new configurable keyboard swipe actions, for example assigning swipe up to toggle suggestions display. **Status:** FixInTest

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Anonymous - 2012-01-06

Originally posted by: 3575...@gmail.com

Thank you for 'Esc' key, but right now I need to return to this issue, because now it's not 'BrokenInTest' :-(

The last modifications of your great keyboard (1.26rc16-18) broke down one important thing - now I can't use russian keyboard with this layout. I don't understand why you didn't like simple solution with en-EX layout. This layout was not for englishmens, this layout was the special layout for special work. In this case I just selected en_Ex and russian and all works fine. Any english speaking man can select English for all thing or to add en_EX for system administration, by example, and switch to it only for this work.

Right now this method is fully broken. I can't swith to russian keyboard at all without totaly switching of keyboard layout :-(

So right now, the last working version for me is only rc15 :-(

*Originally posted by:* [3575...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/108393087622801383371/) Thank you for 'Esc' key, but right now I need to return to this issue, because now it's not 'BrokenInTest' :-\( The last modifications of your great keyboard \(1.26rc16-18\) broke down one important thing - now I can't use russian keyboard with this layout. I don't understand why you didn't like simple solution with en-EX layout. This layout was not for englishmens, this layout was the special layout for special work. In this case I just selected en\_Ex and russian and all works fine. Any english speaking man can select English for all thing or to add en\_EX for system administration, by example, and switch to it only for this work. Right now this method is fully broken. I can't swith to russian keyboard at all without totaly switching of keyboard layout :-\( So right now, the last working version for me is only rc15 :-\(

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Anonymous - 2012-01-13

Originally posted by: Klaus.We...@gmail.com

[Bulk bug update] The new Market release 1.29 includes the changes from the v1.28 prerelease series, and these "FixInTest" issues should now be fixed. If not, please reopen the bug with additional information. If the original bug covered multiple separate issues that aren't all addressed, please open new bug(s) for the leftover ones.

Status: Fixed

*Originally posted by:* [Klaus.We...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/115621749438987443961/) \[Bulk bug update\] The new Market release 1.29 includes the changes from the v1.28 prerelease series, and these "FixInTest" issues should now be fixed. If not, please reopen the bug with additional information. If the original bug covered multiple separate issues that aren't all addressed, please open new bug\(s\) for the leftover ones. **Status:** Fixed

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Anonymous - 2013-01-22

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Bulk update - changing "Fixed" to "Verified" for old bugs.

(Background: I'm changing the "Fixed" status to be considered open, the next steps in the lifecycle will be the closed states "FixInTest" and "Verified". This lets me mark issues as "Fixed" in commit messages without hiding them from the issue tracker.)

*Originally posted by:* [Klaus.We...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/115621749438987443961/) Bulk update - changing "Fixed" to "Verified" for old bugs. \(Background: I'm changing the "Fixed" status to be considered open, the next steps in the lifecycle will be the closed states "FixInTest" and "Verified". This lets me mark issues as "Fixed" in commit messages without hiding them from the issue tracker.\)

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Anonymous - 2013-01-22

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Bulk update - changing "Fixed" to "Verified" for old bugs.

Status: Verified

*Originally posted by:* [Klaus.We...@gmail.com](http://code.google.com/u/115621749438987443961/) Bulk update - changing "Fixed" to "Verified" for old bugs. **Status:** Verified

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