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[Gvr-devel] gvr un debian 10

[Alejandro G S. M. <lu...@gm...>]

I can't run gvr in debian 10

Using default English file
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "gvrng.py", line 107, in <module>
    import gvr_gtk # the frontend to use
  File "gui-gtk/gvr_gtk.py", line 61, in <module>
    import Editors
  File "gui-gtk/Editors.py", line 43, in <module>
    import gtksourceview
ImportError: No module named gtksourceview
aptitude search gtksourceview
i have install pygtk and
i A libgtksourceview-3.0-1   - shared libraries for the GTK+ syntax
highlighting widget
i A libgtksourceview-3.0-common   - common files for the GTK+ syntax
highlighting widget
i   libgtksourceview-3.0-dev           - development files for the GTK+
syntax highlighting widget
p   libgtksourceview-3.0-doc          - documentation for the GTK+ syntax
highlighting widget
i   libgtksourceview-4-0                  - shared libraries for the GTK+
syntax highlighting widget
i A libgtksourceview-4-common     - common files for the GTK+ syntax
highlighting widget
i   libgtksourceview-4-dev               - development files for the GTK+
syntax highlighting widget
p   libgtksourceview-4-doc              - documentation for the GTK+ syntax
highlighting widget
i   libgtksourceview2.0-0                 - Bibliotecas compartidas del
elemento de realzado de sintaxis de GTK
i   libgtksourceview2.0-common      - common files for the GTK+ syntax
highlighting widget
i   libgtksourceview2.0-dev

sudo aptitude install python-glade2 python-gtk2 python-gtk2-dbg
 python-gtk2-dev

python-glade2 ya está instalado en la versión solicitada (2.24.0-5.1+b1)
python-gtk2 ya está instalado en la versión solicitada (2.24.0-5.1+b1)
python-gtk2-dbg ya está instalado en la versión solicitada (2.24.0-5.1+b1)
python-gtk2-dev ya está instalado en la versión solicitada (2.24.0-5.1)
python-glade2 ya está instalado en la versión solicitada (2.24.0-5.1+b1)
python-gtk2 ya está instalado en la versión solicitada (2.24.0-5.1+b1)
python-gtk2-dbg ya está instalado en la versión solicitada (2.24.0-5.1+b1)
python-gtk2-dev ya está instalado en la versión solicitada (2.24.0-5.1)

They will have some idea to fix it.

It is to help my son in his classes, learning to use it will support him in
his doubts
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Re: [Gvr-devel] German translation: Small update

[Bernhard R. <ber...@in...>]

Hi Stas,

On Saturday 01 February 2014 at 07:41:47, Stas wrote:
> thanks for the translation.

you are welcome!

> The hamster thing is there because of the german lessons made by the
> original translator.

Ah okay, I have to look for these lessons then. Where are they?

It seems that some things like the Info Button and Dialog contents
are not internationalzed yet.

Best,
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Re: [Gvr-devel] German translation: Small update

[Stas <sta...@gm...>]

Hi, thanks for the translation. 
The hamster thing is there because of the german lessons made by the original translator. 
I will update the translation, thanks.

Stas

On January 31, 2014 12:38:50 PM CET, Bernhard Reiter <ber...@in...> wrote:
>Dear GvR friends,
>
>took a few minutes and tried to complete the German translation
>for the svn r124 version.
>
>I'm sure there are rough edges and the current translation uses
>an animal theme talking about hamsters and pieces of grain that it
>can pick up. I have tried to keep that theme, but I think a lot of
>childred would like a real robot language theme better.
>
>Introduction and the about dialog are still not translated.
>
>Anyway, thanks for creating Free Software!
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[Gvr-devel] German translation: Small update

[Bernhard R. <ber...@in...>]

Dear GvR friends,

took a few minutes and tried to complete the German translation
for the svn r124 version.

I'm sure there are rough edges and the current translation uses
an animal theme talking about hamsters and pieces of grain that it
can pick up. I have tried to keep that theme, but I think a lot of
childred would like a real robot language theme better.

Introduction and the about dialog are still not translated.

Anyway, thanks for creating Free Software!
Bernhard

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Re: [Gvr-devel] help translate gvrng to polish

[Nicolas F. <nic...@fr...>]

Le Tue, 20 Mar 2012 11:41:47 +0100,
Karol Sieńkowski <kad...@po...> a écrit :

> But what files need to translate?
> 

Look for po, locale and docs subdirectories. Compare two translations,
you should be able to figure out what to translate. I translated the
documentation in french a few years ago, the locales where allready
translated, it's not that difficult to dig in the code.

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Re: [Gvr-devel] help translate gvrng to polish

[Karol S. <kad...@po...>]

But what files need to translate?

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Dnia wtorek, 20 marca 2012 11:23:15 stas zytkiewicz pisze:

Send from a cyanogenmod7 phone.
On Mar 20, 2012 11:12 AM, "Karol Sieńkowski" <kad...@po...> wrote:
>
> I translate a tool for learning programming -game Laby and I not use Polish 
characters, and it
Indeed, just dont use special characters.  Gvr is about programming.
The ability to use a translated programming language is to focus on 
programming so that a child don't have to learn English first
Greetings,
Stas Zytkiewicz 
worked. Maybe I'd try it. I am a teacher and would love GvRng used in school.
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> Karol Sieńkowski
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> Dnia poniedziałek, 19 marca 2012 22:12:03 Lars Aronsson pisze:
>
> > On 03/18/2012 12:20 PM, Karol Sieńkowski wrote:
>
> > > Hi, I want translate gvrng on polish.
>
> > > How to make is it? Could you help me?
>
> >
>
> > My experience, from trying to translate it to Swedish,
>
> > is that the program has bugs that stop it from using
>
> > non-English (accented) letters in commands. The
>
> > existing Norwegian translation seems to be broken
>
> > because of this. For a successful Polish translation,
>
> > I think you need to fix or rewrite the entire program.
>
> >
>
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Re: [Gvr-devel] help translate gvrng to polish

[stas z. <sta...@gm...>]

Send from a cyanogenmod7 phone.
On Mar 20, 2012 11:12 AM, "Karol Sieńkowski" <kad...@po...>
wrote:
>
> I translate a tool for learning programming -game Laby and I not use
Polish characters, and it

Indeed, just dont use special characters.  Gvr is about programming.
The ability to use a translated programming language is to focus on
programming so that a child don't have to learn English first

Greetings,
Stas Zytkiewicz

worked. Maybe I'd try it. I am a teacher and would love GvRng used in
school.
>
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> Pozdrawiam
>
> Karol Sieńkowski
>
> Dnia poniedziałek, 19 marca 2012 22:12:03 Lars Aronsson pisze:
>
> > On 03/18/2012 12:20 PM, Karol Sieńkowski wrote:
>
> > > Hi, I want translate gvrng on polish.
>
> > > How to make is it? Could you help me?
>
> >
>
> > My experience, from trying to translate it to Swedish,
>
> > is that the program has bugs that stop it from using
>
> > non-English (accented) letters in commands. The
>
> > existing Norwegian translation seems to be broken
>
> > because of this. For a successful Polish translation,
>
> > I think you need to fix or rewrite the entire program.
>
> >
>
> >
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Re: [Gvr-devel] help translate gvrng to polish

[Karol S. <kad...@po...>]

I translate a tool for learning programming -game Laby and I not use Polish 
characters, and it worked. Maybe I'd try it. I am a teacher and would love 
GvRng used in school.
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Dnia poniedziałek, 19 marca 2012 22:12:03 Lars Aronsson pisze:
> On 03/18/2012 12:20 PM, Karol Sieńkowski wrote:
> > Hi, I want translate gvrng on polish.
> > How to make is it? Could you help me?
> 
> My experience, from trying to translate it to Swedish,
> is that the program has bugs that stop it from using
> non-English (accented) letters in commands. The
> existing Norwegian translation seems to be broken
> because of this. For a successful Polish translation,
> I think you need to fix or rewrite the entire program.
> 
> 
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Re: [Gvr-devel] help translate gvrng to polish

[Lars A. <la...@ar...>]

On 03/18/2012 12:20 PM, Karol Sieńkowski wrote:
> Hi, I want translate gvrng on polish.
> How to make is it? Could you help me?

My experience, from trying to translate it to Swedish,
is that the program has bugs that stop it from using
non-English (accented) letters in commands. The
existing Norwegian translation seems to be broken
because of this. For a successful Polish translation,
I think you need to fix or rewrite the entire program.


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[Gvr-devel] help translate gvrng to polish

[Karol S. <kad...@po...>]

Hi, I want translate gvrng on polish.
How to make is it? Could you help me?

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Karol Sieńkowski

Re: [Gvr-devel] Comments ?

[Nicolas F. <nic...@fr...>]

Le Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:43:48 +0100,
stas zytkiewicz <sta...@gm...> a écrit :

> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Nicolas FRANCOIS
> <nic...@fr...> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > I could answer the question myself by digging into the code, but I'm
> > quite busy at the moment, and to be honest, a bit lazy :-)
> >
> > So I was wondering : is there a way to add comments to the code of a
> > program (or a world, to be complete), and if so,
> Use # in front of a comment line, just like one would do in Python.
> 
> > why is there no
> > mention of it in the documentation ?
> To obvious for us devs I think :-)

Thank you Stas.

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Re: [Gvr-devel] Comments ?

[stas z. <sta...@gm...>]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Nicolas FRANCOIS
<nic...@fr...> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I could answer the question myself by digging into the code, but I'm
> quite busy at the moment, and to be honest, a bit lazy :-)
>
> So I was wondering : is there a way to add comments to the code of a
> program (or a world, to be complete), and if so,
Use # in front of a comment line, just like one would do in Python.

> why is there no
> mention of it in the documentation ?
To obvious for us devs I think :-)

> I used GvR as an introduction to algorithmic for developpement students
> (about 18-20 years old), it was very interesting. GvR is really the
> tool of choice for an introduction to programming, for all ages !
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[Gvr-devel] Comments ?

[Nicolas F. <nic...@fr...>]

Hi.

I could answer the question myself by digging into the code, but I'm
quite busy at the moment, and to be honest, a bit lazy :-)

So I was wondering : is there a way to add comments to the code of a
program (or a world, to be complete), and if so, why is there no
mention of it in the documentation ?

I used GvR as an introduction to algorithmic for developpement students
(about 18-20 years old), it was very interesting. GvR is really the
tool of choice for an introduction to programming, for all ages !

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Re: [Gvr-devel] GvR accessing C drive

[Thomas S. <tho...@gm...>]

> Thanks again for your help.
> I'll try to get the windows dev environment set up over the weekend so
> that I can test things out.

Running GvR from the 'in-place' ZIP file off a USB stick worked perfectly.

Unfortunately my XP install then died of mup.sys

According to the intertubes I need to find my install CD and a few
other things (red robes, a black stone altar, a goat, ....)so my plans
of debugging this directly are on hold.


Thomas

Re: [Gvr-devel] GvR accessing C drive

[Thomas S. <tho...@gm...>]

Hi Chris,

On 24 June 2011 17:21, Chris Van Bael <chr...@gm...> wrote:
> Thomas,
>
> I think there's a problem with having no write access to GvR program directory.
> Although I put on a USB stick, made the dir read only and it worked perfectly.
> One thing you could try is to put the standalone version in the home
> directory of a user.

My current plan is to try the stand-alone verison off USB sticks.

> Other problem may be that Gvr or Python is confused by the directory mapping.

This is my suspicion as well... the windows home-directory stuff still
seems a bit brittle...

> Do they have other programs running this way, and what did they have
> to for those?

AFAIK C: is locked down, but they can make exceptions.

> Very difficult to see what the problem is when we don't know the exact setup.

I'm sorry I don't have better information (yet).
I've passed on the questions, I'll let you know if/when I get a reply.


Thomas

> Greets,
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Thomas Sprinkmeier
> <tho...@gm...> wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Thank you for your reply.
>>
>> On 24 June 2011 16:37, Chris Van Bael <chr...@gm...> wrote:
>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>
>>> I think we need more information about the situation.
>>
>> I'll need to forward these questions on to the admin
>> (I'm just a parent volunteering once a week to run a class, all the
>> network stuff).
>>
>> (Unfortunately the RTT and packet loss are a bit high so I'm not sure
>> if/when I'll get an answer)
>>
>> I'll answer based on what I know.
>>
>>> I assume the LiveCD is on Linux?  OK, that's outside the scope of this problem.
>>
>> Correct.
>> FWIW I've got my lessons on a wiki:
>>   http://mediawiki.dns.id.au/index.php/Guido_van_Robot_2011
>>
>>> The 3rd situation:
>>> - on which drive is GvR installed?
>>
>> It's installed on a network drive. The students mount this as a drive
>> letter (i.e. not a UNC pathname).
>>
>>> - if access to C-drive is limited, where are the Windows user profiles?
>>>   GvR uses these under C:\Documents and Settings\username\GvR\
>>
>> home-directories are configured on a per-user share (H: ->
>> \\server\student\USERNAME).
>> "My Documents" is configured to point to that home-directory.
>>
>>> - which version of GvR did you install?
>>
>> GvRng-4.4_win32.exe
>>
>>> - is any error message displayed?  By GvR or by Windows?
>>
>> I wasn't told about any, but I can confirm that.
>>
>>> - did you try the standalone version?
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gvr/files/GvR%20GTK/4.4/GvRng-4.4_win32_standalone.zip/download
>>>  This just needs to be unzipped and put anywhere to run.
>>
>> I'll try that, thanks!
>>
>>> I think GvR only tries to write to 2 directories:
>>> 1) C:\Documents and Settings\username\GvR\ -> but this is not
>>> hardcoded in GvR but received from Windows
>>> 2) The installation directory of GvR
>>> If there is a write error, I think this is due to not having
>>> sufficient rights to either one of these directories.
>>> Does the user have write access to the installation directory of GvR?
>>
>> I was told that it tried to write a log file, they allowed that using
>> policies, but then it failed when it tried to write a different
>> logfile.
>> I've for more details (which files/directories, error messages etc.)
>> but have not heard back yet.
>>
>>
>> Thanks again for your help.
>> I'll try to get the windows dev environment set up over the weekend so
>> that I can test things out.
>>
>>
>> with friendly regards,
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Chris

Re: [Gvr-devel] GvR accessing C drive

[Chris V. B. <chr...@gm...>]

Thomas,

I think there's a problem with having no write access to GvR program directory.
Although I put on a USB stick, made the dir read only and it worked perfectly.
One thing you could try is to put the standalone version in the home
directory of a user.

Other problem may be that Gvr or Python is confused by the directory mapping.

Do they have other programs running this way, and what did they have
to for those?
Very difficult to see what the problem is when we don't know the exact setup.

Greets,

Chris

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Thomas Sprinkmeier
<tho...@gm...> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> On 24 June 2011 16:37, Chris Van Bael <chr...@gm...> wrote:
>> Hi Thomas,
>>
>> I think we need more information about the situation.
>
> I'll need to forward these questions on to the admin
> (I'm just a parent volunteering once a week to run a class, all the
> network stuff).
>
> (Unfortunately the RTT and packet loss are a bit high so I'm not sure
> if/when I'll get an answer)
>
> I'll answer based on what I know.
>
>> I assume the LiveCD is on Linux?  OK, that's outside the scope of this problem.
>
> Correct.
> FWIW I've got my lessons on a wiki:
>   http://mediawiki.dns.id.au/index.php/Guido_van_Robot_2011
>
>> The 3rd situation:
>> - on which drive is GvR installed?
>
> It's installed on a network drive. The students mount this as a drive
> letter (i.e. not a UNC pathname).
>
>> - if access to C-drive is limited, where are the Windows user profiles?
>>   GvR uses these under C:\Documents and Settings\username\GvR\
>
> home-directories are configured on a per-user share (H: ->
> \\server\student\USERNAME).
> "My Documents" is configured to point to that home-directory.
>
>> - which version of GvR did you install?
>
> GvRng-4.4_win32.exe
>
>> - is any error message displayed?  By GvR or by Windows?
>
> I wasn't told about any, but I can confirm that.
>
>> - did you try the standalone version?
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gvr/files/GvR%20GTK/4.4/GvRng-4.4_win32_standalone.zip/download
>>  This just needs to be unzipped and put anywhere to run.
>
> I'll try that, thanks!
>
>> I think GvR only tries to write to 2 directories:
>> 1) C:\Documents and Settings\username\GvR\ -> but this is not
>> hardcoded in GvR but received from Windows
>> 2) The installation directory of GvR
>> If there is a write error, I think this is due to not having
>> sufficient rights to either one of these directories.
>> Does the user have write access to the installation directory of GvR?
>
> I was told that it tried to write a log file, they allowed that using
> policies, but then it failed when it tried to write a different
> logfile.
> I've for more details (which files/directories, error messages etc.)
> but have not heard back yet.
>
>
> Thanks again for your help.
> I'll try to get the windows dev environment set up over the weekend so
> that I can test things out.
>
>
> with friendly regards,
>
> Thomas
>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Thomas Sprinkmeier
>> <tho...@gm...> wrote:
>>> On 24 June 2011 14:36, Nicolas FRANCOIS <nic...@fr...> wrote:
>>>> Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:49:17 +0200,
>>>> stas zytkiewicz <sta...@gm...> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:29 AM, Thomas Sprinkmeier
>>>>> <tho...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>> > I'm using GvR to teach programming school (years 3 to 6).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It worked fine on Windows at onr school, and I've run it off a
>>>>> > re-mastered Ubuntu Live DVD without any problems, but at another
>>>>> > school the admins are having trouble getting it to run because it
>>>>> > accesses C drive which is locked down.
>>>>> ??? Does GvR tries to access the C drive from a live DVD ??
>>>>
>>>> No, I think C drive means the installation is on a Windows (Xp ?) box.
>>>>
>>>> Could you be more specific, Thomas, on this installation ? Where is
>>>> installed GvR ? Where are the accounts of the users ?
>>>
>>> Sorry about the confusion...
>>>
>>> I've run this 3 times now:
>>>
>>> First time it was installed on the Windows drive. worked.
>>> The second time I used a LiveDVD (school PC's had been updated).
>>> worked flawlessly.
>>> The third time It's failing with the C drive problem (different
>>> school, stricter setup).
>>>
>>> Both the windows setups were running XP.
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a
>>> definitive record of customers, application performance, security
>>> threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes
>>> sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense..
>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c1
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Gvr-devel mailing list
>>> Gvr...@li...
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gvr-devel
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a
>> definitive record of customers, application performance, security
>> threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes
>> sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense..
>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c1
>> _______________________________________________
>> Gvr-devel mailing list
>> Gvr...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gvr-devel
>>
>
>
>
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>
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> definitive record of customers, application performance, security
> threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes
> sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense..
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Re: [Gvr-devel] GvR accessing C drive

[Thomas S. <tho...@gm...>]

Hi Chris,

Thank you for your reply.

On 24 June 2011 16:37, Chris Van Bael <chr...@gm...> wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> I think we need more information about the situation.

I'll need to forward these questions on to the admin
(I'm just a parent volunteering once a week to run a class, all the
network stuff).

(Unfortunately the RTT and packet loss are a bit high so I'm not sure
if/when I'll get an answer)

I'll answer based on what I know.

> I assume the LiveCD is on Linux?  OK, that's outside the scope of this problem.

Correct.
FWIW I've got my lessons on a wiki:
   http://mediawiki.dns.id.au/index.php/Guido_van_Robot_2011

> The 3rd situation:
> - on which drive is GvR installed?

It's installed on a network drive. The students mount this as a drive
letter (i.e. not a UNC pathname).

> - if access to C-drive is limited, where are the Windows user profiles?
>   GvR uses these under C:\Documents and Settings\username\GvR\

home-directories are configured on a per-user share (H: ->
\\server\student\USERNAME).
"My Documents" is configured to point to that home-directory.

> - which version of GvR did you install?

GvRng-4.4_win32.exe	

> - is any error message displayed?  By GvR or by Windows?

I wasn't told about any, but I can confirm that.

> - did you try the standalone version?
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gvr/files/GvR%20GTK/4.4/GvRng-4.4_win32_standalone.zip/download
>  This just needs to be unzipped and put anywhere to run.

I'll try that, thanks!

> I think GvR only tries to write to 2 directories:
> 1) C:\Documents and Settings\username\GvR\ -> but this is not
> hardcoded in GvR but received from Windows
> 2) The installation directory of GvR
> If there is a write error, I think this is due to not having
> sufficient rights to either one of these directories.
> Does the user have write access to the installation directory of GvR?

I was told that it tried to write a log file, they allowed that using
policies, but then it failed when it tried to write a different
logfile.
I've for more details (which files/directories, error messages etc.)
but have not heard back yet.


Thanks again for your help.
I'll try to get the windows dev environment set up over the weekend so
that I can test things out.


with friendly regards,

Thomas

> Kind regards,
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Thomas Sprinkmeier
> <tho...@gm...> wrote:
>> On 24 June 2011 14:36, Nicolas FRANCOIS <nic...@fr...> wrote:
>>> Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:49:17 +0200,
>>> stas zytkiewicz <sta...@gm...> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:29 AM, Thomas Sprinkmeier
>>>> <tho...@gm...> wrote:
>>>> > I'm using GvR to teach programming school (years 3 to 6).
>>>> >
>>>> > It worked fine on Windows at onr school, and I've run it off a
>>>> > re-mastered Ubuntu Live DVD without any problems, but at another
>>>> > school the admins are having trouble getting it to run because it
>>>> > accesses C drive which is locked down.
>>>> ??? Does GvR tries to access the C drive from a live DVD ??
>>>
>>> No, I think C drive means the installation is on a Windows (Xp ?) box.
>>>
>>> Could you be more specific, Thomas, on this installation ? Where is
>>> installed GvR ? Where are the accounts of the users ?
>>
>> Sorry about the confusion...
>>
>> I've run this 3 times now:
>>
>> First time it was installed on the Windows drive. worked.
>> The second time I used a LiveDVD (school PC's had been updated).
>> worked flawlessly.
>> The third time It's failing with the C drive problem (different
>> school, stricter setup).
>>
>> Both the windows setups were running XP.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a
>> definitive record of customers, application performance, security
>> threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes
>> sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense..
>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c1
>> _______________________________________________
>> Gvr-devel mailing list
>> Gvr...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gvr-devel
>>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a
> definitive record of customers, application performance, security
> threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes
> sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense..
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c1
> _______________________________________________
> Gvr-devel mailing list
> Gvr...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gvr-devel
>



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Re: [Gvr-devel] GvR accessing C drive

[Chris V. B. <chr...@gm...>]

Hi Thomas,

I think we need more information about the situation.
I assume the LiveCD is on Linux?  OK, that's outside the scope of this problem.

The 3rd situation:
- on which drive is GvR installed?
- if access to C-drive is limited, where are the Windows user profiles?
   GvR uses these under C:\Documents and Settings\username\GvR\
- which version of GvR did you install?
- is any error message displayed?  By GvR or by Windows?
- did you try the standalone version?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gvr/files/GvR%20GTK/4.4/GvRng-4.4_win32_standalone.zip/download
  This just needs to be unzipped and put anywhere to run.

I think GvR only tries to write to 2 directories:
1) C:\Documents and Settings\username\GvR\ -> but this is not
hardcoded in GvR but received from Windows
2) The installation directory of GvR
If there is a write error, I think this is due to not having
sufficient rights to either one of these directories.
Does the user have write access to the installation directory of GvR?

Kind regards,

Chris

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Thomas Sprinkmeier
<tho...@gm...> wrote:
> On 24 June 2011 14:36, Nicolas FRANCOIS <nic...@fr...> wrote:
>> Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:49:17 +0200,
>> stas zytkiewicz <sta...@gm...> a écrit :
>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:29 AM, Thomas Sprinkmeier
>>> <tho...@gm...> wrote:
>>> > I'm using GvR to teach programming school (years 3 to 6).
>>> >
>>> > It worked fine on Windows at onr school, and I've run it off a
>>> > re-mastered Ubuntu Live DVD without any problems, but at another
>>> > school the admins are having trouble getting it to run because it
>>> > accesses C drive which is locked down.
>>> ??? Does GvR tries to access the C drive from a live DVD ??
>>
>> No, I think C drive means the installation is on a Windows (Xp ?) box.
>>
>> Could you be more specific, Thomas, on this installation ? Where is
>> installed GvR ? Where are the accounts of the users ?
>
> Sorry about the confusion...
>
> I've run this 3 times now:
>
> First time it was installed on the Windows drive. worked.
> The second time I used a LiveDVD (school PC's had been updated).
> worked flawlessly.
> The third time It's failing with the C drive problem (different
> school, stricter setup).
>
> Both the windows setups were running XP.
>
> Thomas
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a
> definitive record of customers, application performance, security
> threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes
> sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense..
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c1
> _______________________________________________
> Gvr-devel mailing list
> Gvr...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gvr-devel
>

Re: [Gvr-devel] GvR accessing C drive

[Thomas S. <tho...@gm...>]

On 24 June 2011 14:36, Nicolas FRANCOIS <nic...@fr...> wrote:
> Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:49:17 +0200,
> stas zytkiewicz <sta...@gm...> a écrit :
>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:29 AM, Thomas Sprinkmeier
>> <tho...@gm...> wrote:
>> > I'm using GvR to teach programming school (years 3 to 6).
>> >
>> > It worked fine on Windows at onr school, and I've run it off a
>> > re-mastered Ubuntu Live DVD without any problems, but at another
>> > school the admins are having trouble getting it to run because it
>> > accesses C drive which is locked down.
>> ??? Does GvR tries to access the C drive from a live DVD ??
>
> No, I think C drive means the installation is on a Windows (Xp ?) box.
>
> Could you be more specific, Thomas, on this installation ? Where is
> installed GvR ? Where are the accounts of the users ?

Sorry about the confusion...

I've run this 3 times now:

First time it was installed on the Windows drive. worked.
The second time I used a LiveDVD (school PC's had been updated).
worked flawlessly.
The third time It's failing with the C drive problem (different
school, stricter setup).

Both the windows setups were running XP.

Thomas

Re: [Gvr-devel] GvR accessing C drive

[Nicolas F. <nic...@fr...>]

Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:49:17 +0200,
stas zytkiewicz <sta...@gm...> a écrit :

> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:29 AM, Thomas Sprinkmeier
> <tho...@gm...> wrote:
> > I'm using GvR to teach programming school (years 3 to 6).
> >
> > It worked fine on Windows at onr school, and I've run it off a
> > re-mastered Ubuntu Live DVD without any problems, but at another
> > school the admins are having trouble getting it to run because it
> > accesses C drive which is locked down.
> ??? Does GvR tries to access the C drive from a live DVD ??

No, I think C drive means the installation is on a Windows (Xp ?) box.

Could you be more specific, Thomas, on this installation ? Where is
installed GvR ? Where are the accounts of the users ?

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Re: [Gvr-devel] GvR accessing C drive

[stas z. <sta...@gm...>]

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:29 AM, Thomas Sprinkmeier
<tho...@gm...> wrote:
> I'm using GvR to teach programming school (years 3 to 6).
>
> It worked fine on Windows at onr school, and I've run it off a
> re-mastered Ubuntu Live DVD without any problems, but at another
> school the admins are having trouble getting it to run because it
> accesses C drive which is locked down.
??? Does GvR tries to access the C drive from a live DVD ??
That sounds inpossible, in order to do that the C drive would have
to be mounted first and it's my understanding that only root could do that.
GvR stores stuff inside the users home dir and on a live DvD that would mean
in RAM, not on the a HD.

Greets,
Stas

> I was wondering if there's a quick fix for this. If not I'm happy to
> pull down the code and start messing about.
>
>
>
> with friendly regards,
>
> Thomas
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a
> definitive record of customers, application performance, security
> threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes
> sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense..
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c1
> _______________________________________________
> Gvr-devel mailing list
> Gvr...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gvr-devel
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[Gvr-devel] GvR accessing C drive

[Thomas S. <tho...@gm...>]

I'm using GvR to teach programming school (years 3 to 6).

It worked fine on Windows at onr school, and I've run it off a
re-mastered Ubuntu Live DVD without any problems, but at another
school the admins are having trouble getting it to run because it
accesses C drive which is locked down.

I was wondering if there's a quick fix for this. If not I'm happy to
pull down the code and start messing about.



with friendly regards,

Thomas

[Gvr-devel] Request for an algorithm

[Nicolas F. <nic...@fr...>]

Hi.

As you all know, there are a lot of different versions of Karel. You
may allready know the Jave course given at Standford School
(http://see.stanford.edu/see/courseinfo.aspx?coll=824a47e1-135f-4508-a5aa-866adcae1111)

The first assignment asks the students to solve several exercises. One
of them puzzled me :

Guido is in a world like this :

Robot 1 1 E 50
Wall 1 10 N 15
Wall 15 1 E 10

What needs to be done is put a single beeper at the center
intersection (or one of the two center intersections if the word has
even width), and stop there. You can use any number of extra beepers to
accomplish this, but there should be only one beeper in the world at
the end.

What I was thinking about : put a beeper at each end of the first line,
and then move them towards each other alternatively until they are on
the same intersection or adjacent intersections.

What I lack is a definite Guido program to accomplish this.

Could someone help me ?

Thanks.

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[Gvr-devel] Bug in the last patch

[Nicolas F. <nic...@fr...>]

Hi.

I don't know if anyone tried the last SVN version, but it's buggy. When
the grid is displayed, there is a hole and a shift along the X axis.

Here is a patch to correct the faulty Widget.py file :

--- Widgets.py.old	2011-03-15 18:23:43.000000000 +0100
+++ Widgets.py	2011-03-15 18:27:42.000000000 +0100
@@ -263,7 +263,7 @@
         self.pangolayout.set_font_description(font_desc)
         # set numbers and outer walls
         y = self.height - self.square + 4
-        step = self.square + self.square/2
+        step = self.square
         # self.orig_x, self.orig_y are the coords of the upper left
corner of # guido at the first square in the matrix. 
         # Used as starting point to calculate the robots and beepers
position. @@ -300,7 +300,7 @@
         self.gc.set_foreground(self.BLACK)
         end = self.width/self.square
         y = self.height - self.square + 8
-        step = self.square 
+        step = self.square + self.square/2
         for x in range(1+offset_x,end+offset_x+1):
             self.pangolayout.set_text('%d' % x)
             self.window.draw_layout(self.gc,

As I tested this, it seems to work fine.

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Re: [Gvr-devel] One addition and some requests to help me understand

[Nicolas F. <nic...@fr...>]

Le Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:20:35 +0100,
stas zytkiewicz <sta...@gm...> a écrit :

> > I must think I'm a real pain in the ass, posting so many messages on
> > the list... Sorry about that.
> No your not, you try to make GvR better so how can that be a pain in
> the ass ? And besides, the whole purpose of a mailinglist is to
> collect mails :-)

Thanks for your support, Stas :-)

So, if I may restate one of my objections on the handling of
internationalization : it should be, in my opinion, done this way :

1) the .gvrngrc file should have a second option :
   * lang for the language of the interface
   * syntax for the language of the programs
2) those options should be set by default on 'system', which transfers
   the choice to the 'LANGUAGE' setting (or 'LANG', on my Ubuntu
   system, LANGUAGE is not setup, and LANG is set to fr_FR.utf8)
3) I would like to be able to select 'system' for the language of the
   interface, and 'default' for the syntax, which would select english
   as the language of programs (I can do this now, but I don't get the
   syntax highlighting, which is too bad for my students).
4) the .gvrngrc settings, if they are not set on 'system', SHOULD have
   preference on the LANG, which doesn't seem to be the case now (or
   there's a problem on my system with the LANG* setting) : as I
   understand the code, the interface uses get_locale() to decide in
   which language it has to be displayed, and get_locale() doesn't look
   into the init file.

But I may be wrong (I still have to work on WingIDE which I use to debug
the program, well, in fact, to debug ME, as I really have a hard time
understanding this part of the code, and I didn't got how to use
Eclipse to go step by step). If so, please enlighten me.

I'll try to do more experiments next week, because I'm not at home this
week-end.

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