From: Basham, R. R <ric...@bo...> - 2004-09-13 16:42:44
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Anyone, There are many USB devices available on the market=20 that provide special I/O. Is there a possibility=20 of making the USB a host port in the future by=20 writing a driver or is this a hardware limitation? My ignorance of the USB interface is showing. :( Regards, Rich -----Original Message----- From: David Farrell [mailto:dav...@ya...]=20 Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:29 PM To: gum...@li... Subject: RE: [Gumstix-users] gumstix hosted devel environment Richard, You can always buy the origional small one, if a new one comes along. BTW: On your GPS, I would recommend on using the 2cd external port first. When things work, move to the internal pins, the things are awfull small. Plus chances are the external stuff is more tested, by gumstix and their customers. USB for GPS is a no-go. It is not a host port. Bluetooth may be an option, the new Delorme BT GPS device is pretty neat. In addition to normal GPS, it will datalog raw measurements so you can postprocess to high accuracy. David. --- "Basham, Richard R" <ric...@bo...> wrote: >=20 > Excerpt from original message >=20 > "> I suspect future gumstix will keep the same > > form factor >=20 > I hope not. The size to me is a gimmick, I am > a > little more practical. Gumstix, the company did > a > good job with hardware vs price, but what I > like > best is the software they put together. I have > been putting embedded linux into systems for > several years, I spent a huge amount of time > just > getting tools in place. Gumstix has made it > practical for me to evaluate their product by > providing a decent sw integration." >=20 >=20 > The size of the gumstix was what caught my > attention. > Size was paramount for the application. Power > consumption was next in line. It was the > software=20 > tool chain and the immediate utility of the > waysmall > configuration that closed the deal. If it > wasn't=20 > the smallest one I found, I would have examined > other > Products much closer and maybe chose a > different one. >=20 >=20 > Rich >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: David Farrell > [mailto:dav...@ya...] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:44 PM > To: gum...@li... > Subject: Re: [Gumstix-users] gumstix hosted > devel environment >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Jon Mayo <jm...@rm...> wrote: >=20 > > firewire, 802.11b, GPS, compact-PCI, dual > > XScale SMP/NUMA, and the debug > > lights should be bi-color 14-segment >=20 > Much of what I said is integrated into new CPU > devices. I consider debug led's a necessity. > Many times over the years I have asked my > customer if the led was still blinking inside > the > box. >=20 > > but seriously the power supply is easier, and > > preferable to be external. >=20 > I don't agree. I prefer point of use power now, > epecially with multiple core, io, misc > voltages. > Point of use also reduces layer count on the > board. >=20 > > since it seems like a power supply is one of > > the first parts to show > > signs of use. >=20 > Not if they are done right. >=20 > > I think you hit the #1 needed feature with > > gumstix. mounting holes. >=20 > I agree, I will not used double sided tape or > hot > glue. I like the new connector, I have used > this > series before but the leverage created by the > board makes the latching ineffective. If you > push on the MMC side to hold the board down you > engage the reset sw. >=20 > >=20 > > A problem with CF and USB2 on the gumstix is > > supplying power to the > > devices. >=20 > You don't have to power USB2, external hubs can > do this if you need it. >=20 > >And USB2 and Ethernet aren't available > > on the PXA255 so it >=20 > Neither is CF unless one gives up LCD support > (on > gumstix). >=20 > > would significantly increase costs and gobble > > up board space. (my > > gumstix doesn't look like it has any room for > > more space). > > I suspect that to get a machine that has all > > the features together that > > people ask for it's going to big a bigger > board >=20 > Marginally >=20 > > and be more expensive. >=20 > The more applicable the same product is to more > people the cheaper it becomes. I can't see > that, > lets say a 50% increase in board area would > significantly increase the price. It could > make > it cheaper! >=20 > > Some people want dual ethernet or ether+CF > for > > a wireless router. or IDE > > for a small file server. I think for file > > servers and routers you are > > better served with a MiniITX or NanoITX. you >=20 > I also use Via EPIA-M's fit the board to the > application. >=20 > > for light industrial, wearables, > > experimentation, pdas, etc. ethernet > > and usb isn't quite as big of a deal. > although >=20 > Its a huge deal. Industrial is going for > connectivity. Customers as expecting to be > able > to use ethernet and USB memory sticks. Data > aquisition over USB is a necessity. >=20 > > I suspect future gumstix will keep the same > > form factor >=20 > I hope not. The size to me is a gimmick, I am > a > little more practical. Gumstix, the company did > a > good job with hardware vs price, but what I > like > best is the software they put together. I have > been putting embedded linux into systems for > several years, I spent a huge amount of time > just > getting tools in place. Gumstix has made it > practical for me to evaluate their product by > providing a decent sw integration. > =20 > > Creative Nomad MuVo2 has a 4Gb CF harddrive > in > > it and the device is only > > like $250. Which is cheaper than buying the > > drive separate. >=20 > The last test I did, the SanDisk Ultra-II was > quite a bit faster than Micro-Drive type CF > drives. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > David. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE > JUDGE. Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini > FREE for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > Sponsored by IBM. > Deadline: Sept. 13. Go here: > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > _______________________________________________ > gumstix-users mailing list > gum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gumstix-users >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE > JUDGE. Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini > FREE for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > Sponsored =3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM.=20 Deadline: Sept. 13. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php _______________________________________________ gumstix-users mailing list gum...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gumstix-users |
From: Basham, R. R <ric...@bo...> - 2004-09-13 17:58:45
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Gordon, That cool!! For a minute there I thought I was going to have to scramble to find other I/O devices with different interfaces. Obviously this is a young product but I have to ask this question because of the rapid pace of development. Is there a list of existing and near term daughter boards available somewhere on the web? Rich -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Kruberg [mailto:go...@gu...]=20 Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:54 AM To: gum...@li... Subject: RE: [Gumstix-users] USB not a host port Richard, This is a hardware limitation. We have a design in-house for a new daughter-card that provides USB Host functionality by connecting to the PXA via the NSSP. (In fact, I have a test board that I've got some HW problems with, but once they're banged out I should be giving it to Craig for the driver testing) --Gordon -----Original Message----- From: gum...@li... [mailto:gum...@li...] On Behalf Of Basham, Richard R Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:43 AM To: gum...@li... Subject: RE: [Gumstix-users] USB not a host port Anyone, There are many USB devices available on the market=20 that provide special I/O. Is there a possibility=20 of making the USB a host port in the future by=20 writing a driver or is this a hardware limitation? My ignorance of the USB interface is showing. :( Regards, Rich -----Original Message----- From: David Farrell [mailto:dav...@ya...]=20 Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:29 PM To: gum...@li... Subject: RE: [Gumstix-users] gumstix hosted devel environment Richard, You can always buy the origional small one, if a new one comes along. BTW: On your GPS, I would recommend on using the 2cd external port first. When things work, move to the internal pins, the things are awfull small. Plus chances are the external stuff is more tested, by gumstix and their customers. USB for GPS is a no-go. It is not a host port. Bluetooth may be an option, the new Delorme BT GPS device is pretty neat. In addition to normal GPS, it will datalog raw measurements so you can postprocess to high accuracy. David. --- "Basham, Richard R" <ric...@bo...> wrote: >=20 > Excerpt from original message >=20 > "> I suspect future gumstix will keep the same > > form factor >=20 > I hope not. The size to me is a gimmick, I am > a > little more practical. Gumstix, the company did > a > good job with hardware vs price, but what I > like > best is the software they put together. I have > been putting embedded linux into systems for > several years, I spent a huge amount of time > just > getting tools in place. Gumstix has made it > practical for me to evaluate their product by > providing a decent sw integration." >=20 >=20 > The size of the gumstix was what caught my > attention. > Size was paramount for the application. Power > consumption was next in line. It was the > software > tool chain and the immediate utility of the > waysmall > configuration that closed the deal. If it > wasn't > the smallest one I found, I would have examined > other > Products much closer and maybe chose a > different one. >=20 >=20 > Rich >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: David Farrell > [mailto:dav...@ya...] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:44 PM > To: gum...@li... > Subject: Re: [Gumstix-users] gumstix hosted > devel environment >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Jon Mayo <jm...@rm...> wrote: >=20 > > firewire, 802.11b, GPS, compact-PCI, dual > > XScale SMP/NUMA, and the debug > > lights should be bi-color 14-segment >=20 > Much of what I said is integrated into new CPU > devices. I consider debug led's a necessity. > Many times over the years I have asked my > customer if the led was still blinking inside > the > box. >=20 > > but seriously the power supply is easier, and > > preferable to be external. >=20 > I don't agree. I prefer point of use power now, > epecially with multiple core, io, misc > voltages. > Point of use also reduces layer count on the > board. >=20 > > since it seems like a power supply is one of > > the first parts to show > > signs of use. >=20 > Not if they are done right. >=20 > > I think you hit the #1 needed feature with > > gumstix. mounting holes. >=20 > I agree, I will not used double sided tape or > hot > glue. I like the new connector, I have used > this > series before but the leverage created by the > board makes the latching ineffective. If you > push on the MMC side to hold the board down you > engage the reset sw. >=20 > >=20 > > A problem with CF and USB2 on the gumstix is > > supplying power to the > > devices. >=20 > You don't have to power USB2, external hubs can > do this if you need it. >=20 > >And USB2 and Ethernet aren't available > > on the PXA255 so it >=20 > Neither is CF unless one gives up LCD support > (on > gumstix). >=20 > > would significantly increase costs and gobble > > up board space. (my > > gumstix doesn't look like it has any room for > > more space). > > I suspect that to get a machine that has all > > the features together that > > people ask for it's going to big a bigger > board >=20 > Marginally >=20 > > and be more expensive. >=20 > The more applicable the same product is to more > people the cheaper it becomes. I can't see > that, > lets say a 50% increase in board area would > significantly increase the price. It could > make > it cheaper! >=20 > > Some people want dual ethernet or ether+CF > for > > a wireless router. or IDE > > for a small file server. I think for file > > servers and routers you are > > better served with a MiniITX or NanoITX. you >=20 > I also use Via EPIA-M's fit the board to the > application. >=20 > > for light industrial, wearables, > > experimentation, pdas, etc. ethernet > > and usb isn't quite as big of a deal. > although >=20 > Its a huge deal. Industrial is going for > connectivity. Customers as expecting to be > able > to use ethernet and USB memory sticks. Data > aquisition over USB is a necessity. >=20 > > I suspect future gumstix will keep the same > > form factor >=20 > I hope not. The size to me is a gimmick, I am > a > little more practical. Gumstix, the company did > a > good job with hardware vs price, but what I > like > best is the software they put together. I have > been putting embedded linux into systems for > several years, I spent a huge amount of time > just > getting tools in place. Gumstix has made it > practical for me to evaluate their product by > providing a decent sw integration. > =20 > > Creative Nomad MuVo2 has a 4Gb CF harddrive > in > > it and the device is only > > like $250. Which is cheaper than buying the > > drive separate. >=20 > The last test I did, the SanDisk Ultra-II was > quite a bit faster than Micro-Drive type CF > drives. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > David. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE > JUDGE. Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini > FREE for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > Sponsored by IBM. > Deadline: Sept. 13. 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From: Craig H. <cr...@hu...> - 2004-09-13 18:20:11
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I've been pushing Gordon to put one (without release dates as a possible compromise to his legacy desire to close-source development plans) on the wiki -- he's concerned to some degree (I think the validity of the concern is debatable) that people won't buy version X if they can see there's a version X+1 on the horizon... I'm not sure that this is necessarily the case though with Gumstix; it strikes me that our customers might well be more than happy buying a version X gumstix to do prototyping/development on, then deploy on X+1, particularly since the cost of (X & X+1) is still pretty low compared to many of our competitors. *Not* telling our customers, for example, that we have a USB host version to be released "soon" might drive them to a competitor who does either have that feature, even if the competitive solution is otherwise less satisfactory than gumstix would be. So, you customers, what do you think? More likely to buy if we tell you what features are going to be coming soon, or less likely to buy now since you'll just wait? C On Sep 13, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Basham, Richard R wrote: > Gordon, > > That cool!! For a minute there I thought I was going to have to > scramble to find other I/O devices with different interfaces. > Obviously > this is a young product but I have to ask this question because of the > rapid pace of development. Is there a list of existing and near term > daughter boards available somewhere on the web? > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Kruberg [mailto:go...@gu...] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:54 AM > To: gum...@li... > Subject: RE: [Gumstix-users] USB not a host port > > > Richard, > > This is a hardware limitation. We have a design in-house for a new > daughter-card that provides USB Host functionality by connecting to the > PXA via the NSSP. (In fact, I have a test board that I've got some HW > problems with, but once they're banged out I should be giving it to > Craig for the driver testing) > > --Gordon > > -----Original Message----- > From: gum...@li... > [mailto:gum...@li...] On Behalf Of Basham, > Richard R > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:43 AM > To: gum...@li... > Subject: RE: [Gumstix-users] USB not a host port > > > Anyone, > > There are many USB devices available on the market > that provide special I/O. Is there a possibility > of making the USB a host port in the future by > writing a driver or is this a hardware limitation? > My ignorance of the USB interface is showing. :( > > Regards, > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Farrell [mailto:dav...@ya...] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:29 PM > To: gum...@li... > Subject: RE: [Gumstix-users] gumstix hosted devel environment > > > Richard, > > You can always buy the origional small one, if a > new one comes along. > BTW: On your GPS, I would recommend on using the > 2cd external port first. When things work, move > to the internal pins, the things are awfull > small. Plus chances are the external stuff is > more tested, by gumstix and their customers. > > USB for GPS is a no-go. It is not a host port. > > Bluetooth may be an option, the new Delorme BT > GPS device is pretty neat. In addition to normal > GPS, it will datalog raw measurements so you can > postprocess to high accuracy. > > David. > > --- "Basham, Richard R" > <ric...@bo...> wrote: > >> >> Excerpt from original message >> >> "> I suspect future gumstix will keep the same >>> form factor >> >> I hope not. The size to me is a gimmick, I am >> a >> little more practical. Gumstix, the company did >> a >> good job with hardware vs price, but what I >> like >> best is the software they put together. I have >> been putting embedded linux into systems for >> several years, I spent a huge amount of time >> just >> getting tools in place. Gumstix has made it >> practical for me to evaluate their product by >> providing a decent sw integration." >> >> >> The size of the gumstix was what caught my >> attention. >> Size was paramount for the application. Power >> consumption was next in line. It was the >> software >> tool chain and the immediate utility of the >> waysmall >> configuration that closed the deal. If it >> wasn't >> the smallest one I found, I would have examined >> other >> Products much closer and maybe chose a >> different one. >> >> >> Rich >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Farrell >> [mailto:dav...@ya...] >> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:44 PM >> To: gum...@li... >> Subject: Re: [Gumstix-users] gumstix hosted >> devel environment >> >> >> >> --- Jon Mayo <jm...@rm...> wrote: >> >>> firewire, 802.11b, GPS, compact-PCI, dual >>> XScale SMP/NUMA, and the debug >>> lights should be bi-color 14-segment >> >> Much of what I said is integrated into new CPU >> devices. I consider debug led's a necessity. >> Many times over the years I have asked my >> customer if the led was still blinking inside >> the >> box. >> >>> but seriously the power supply is easier, and >>> preferable to be external. >> >> I don't agree. I prefer point of use power now, >> epecially with multiple core, io, misc >> voltages. >> Point of use also reduces layer count on the >> board. >> >>> since it seems like a power supply is one of >>> the first parts to show >>> signs of use. >> >> Not if they are done right. >> >>> I think you hit the #1 needed feature with >>> gumstix. mounting holes. >> >> I agree, I will not used double sided tape or >> hot >> glue. I like the new connector, I have used >> this >> series before but the leverage created by the >> board makes the latching ineffective. If you >> push on the MMC side to hold the board down you >> engage the reset sw. >> >>> >>> A problem with CF and USB2 on the gumstix is >>> supplying power to the >>> devices. >> >> You don't have to power USB2, external hubs can >> do this if you need it. >> >>> And USB2 and Ethernet aren't available >>> on the PXA255 so it >> >> Neither is CF unless one gives up LCD support >> (on >> gumstix). >> >>> would significantly increase costs and gobble >>> up board space. (my >>> gumstix doesn't look like it has any room for >>> more space). >>> I suspect that to get a machine that has all >>> the features together that >>> people ask for it's going to big a bigger >> board >> >> Marginally >> >>> and be more expensive. >> >> The more applicable the same product is to more >> people the cheaper it becomes. I can't see >> that, >> lets say a 50% increase in board area would >> significantly increase the price. It could >> make >> it cheaper! >> >>> Some people want dual ethernet or ether+CF >> for >>> a wireless router. or IDE >>> for a small file server. I think for file >>> servers and routers you are >>> better served with a MiniITX or NanoITX. you >> >> I also use Via EPIA-M's fit the board to the >> application. >> >>> for light industrial, wearables, >>> experimentation, pdas, etc. ethernet >>> and usb isn't quite as big of a deal. >> although >> >> Its a huge deal. Industrial is going for >> connectivity. Customers as expecting to be >> able >> to use ethernet and USB memory sticks. Data >> aquisition over USB is a necessity. >> >>> I suspect future gumstix will keep the same >>> form factor >> >> I hope not. The size to me is a gimmick, I am >> a >> little more practical. Gumstix, the company did >> a >> good job with hardware vs price, but what I >> like >> best is the software they put together. I have >> been putting embedded linux into systems for >> several years, I spent a huge amount of time >> just >> getting tools in place. Gumstix has made it >> practical for me to evaluate their product by >> providing a decent sw integration. >> >>> Creative Nomad MuVo2 has a 4Gb CF harddrive >> in >>> it and the device is only >>> like $250. Which is cheaper than buying the >>> drive separate. >> >> The last test I did, the SanDisk Ultra-II was >> quite a bit faster than Micro-Drive type CF >> drives. >> >> Regards, >> >> David. >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE >> JUDGE. Be one of 170 >> Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini >> FREE for your judgement on >> who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. >> Sponsored by IBM. >> Deadline: Sept. 13. Go here: >> http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php >> _______________________________________________ >> gumstix-users mailing list gum...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gumstix-users >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE >> JUDGE. Be one of 170 >> Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini >> FREE for your judgement on >> who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. >> Sponsored > === message truncated === > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. > Deadline: Sept. 13. 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From: Edward W. <Edward.Wei@Dartmouth.EDU> - 2004-09-13 19:37:13
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Hey Craig, I agree with your assessment. My company has already decided against using the gumstix for a future product in part due to the USB not being in host mode. I could see us doing protyping on current gumstix in anticipation for the next gumstix if we had a good idea about the specifications for the next gumstix. The more details about the specifications would be better. Otherwise the decision just comes down to this: we need feature T and Y exists already and provides feature T, X doesn't. Let's go with Y. Even if you are a fan of product X, it's hard to make any convincing argument for product X. Ed Craig Hughes wrote: > I've been pushing Gordon to put one (without release dates as a > possible compromise to his legacy desire to close-source development > plans) on the wiki -- he's concerned to some degree (I think the > validity of the concern is debatable) that people won't buy version X > if they can see there's a version X+1 on the horizon... > > I'm not sure that this is necessarily the case though with Gumstix; it > strikes me that our customers might well be more than happy buying a > version X gumstix to do prototyping/development on, then deploy on > X+1, particularly since the cost of (X & X+1) is still pretty low > compared to many of our competitors. *Not* telling our customers, for > example, that we have a USB host version to be released "soon" might > drive them to a competitor who does either have that feature, even if > the competitive solution is otherwise less satisfactory than gumstix > would be. > > So, you customers, what do you think? More likely to buy if we tell > you what features are going to be coming soon, or less likely to buy > now since you'll just wait? > > C |
From: Jon M. <jm...@rm...> - 2004-09-13 19:53:00
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Craig Hughes wrote: > I've been pushing Gordon to put one (without release dates as a > possible compromise to his legacy desire to close-source development > plans) on the wiki -- he's concerned to some degree (I think the > validity of the concern is debatable) that people won't buy version X > if they can see there's a version X+1 on the horizon... > I certainly put off buying the gumstix until a bluetooth version was available. > I'm not sure that this is necessarily the case though with Gumstix; it > strikes me that our customers might well be more than happy buying a > version X gumstix to do prototyping/development on, then deploy on > X+1, particularly since the cost of (X & X+1) is still pretty low > compared to many of our competitors. *Not* telling our customers, for > example, that we have a USB host version to be released "soon" might > drive them to a competitor who does either have that feature, even if > the competitive solution is otherwise less satisfactory than gumstix > would be. > > So, you customers, what do you think? More likely to buy if we tell > you what features are going to be coming soon, or less likely to buy > now since you'll just wait? > > C > > On Sep 13, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Basham, Richard R wrote: > I prototype the software on x86 and port it to the better gumstix later when the hardware I want is available. That's the cheapest way. I only own one gumstix and don't plan on buying anymore unless a future version has a significant feature that would be worth starting a new project with. bluetooth on a small portable linux device are the only requirements for my current project. prototyping the software on a desktop was easy, at least for this project. |
From: Kim H. <ki...@ki...> - 2004-09-13 21:08:08
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> I've been pushing Gordon to put one (without release dates as a > possible compromise to his legacy desire to close-source development > plans) on the wiki -- he's concerned to some degree (I think the > validity of the concern is debatable) that people won't buy version X > if they can see there's a version X+1 on the horizon... > > I'm not sure that this is necessarily the case though with Gumstix; it > strikes me that our customers might well be more than happy buying a > version X gumstix to do prototyping/development on, then deploy on X+1, > particularly since the cost of (X & X+1) is still pretty low compared > to many of our competitors. *Not* telling our customers, for example, > that we have a USB host version to be released "soon" might drive them > to a competitor who does either have that feature, even if the > competitive solution is otherwise less satisfactory than gumstix would > be. > > So, you customers, what do you think? More likely to buy if we tell > you what features are going to be coming soon, or less likely to buy > now since you'll just wait? For myself I just want to be sure that the software set for a particular board is stable, or becomes stable. So that the kernel for a particular board run can be snapshotted as stable for that board. I don't think that every application is feature hungry. If you could come out with a gumstix that is 1/2 the size but doesn't have an MMC interface I'd also be quite interested in that. Different features for different targets markets I guess. Actually, on the subject of stable releases. Are you tagging stable kernel releases in such a way that we can checkout a particular stable release for a particular model of board easily? Maybe you are doing that already. So long as I could be sure that there would not be a problem getting model X for a while I wouldn't be stopped buying. If I thought that model X would be difficult to obtain quickly and model X+1 has different mechanical properties, that may imply different enclosure machining, I'd be included to wait. - Kim |
From: Gordon K. <go...@gu...> - 2004-09-13 21:31:57
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Thank you all very much for your perspectives and feedback. I will publish a list of stuff we're working on. For the most part, I should say we've been spending most of our time making sure the product is stable and that there really is a platform here for the long-run. And that has been "details, details, details ..." I really appreciate all the work Craig has done pulling together the development environment. The fun part for me on the hardware side has been developing a system for assembling pseudo-custom buddy-boards on short order. I have been working on several subsets of the target "wish-list" so we can begin to offer a wide range of inexpensive daughtercards. We will make available one new daughtercard pretty soon: a USB-powered gumstix-sized board with 20 pads on it for breakout. Officially, the PXA255 does NOT support being powered by a USB host; however, it has been a huge request and is easy to do. The problem lies in losing enumeration when told to sleep. Nevertheless-- it's a pretty cool way to plug a headless-system into your host for development. On the gumstix front: the gumstix-f is stable, and we are working on the next generation, which will offer address and data bus access. It's in the lab ["gumstix-g"] and no, it is not ready for release and there are no dates set yet. But yes, the 60-pin connector and the form-factor are unchanged. And finally, after 7 months, I've put a new picture up on the http://www.gumstix.org site. Ready for clustering? Gordon |
From: Craig H. <cr...@hu...> - 2004-09-13 21:35:14
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Right now, I'm not always tagging in SVN, but I have been releasing "stable" snapshots to the sourceforge "files" section, and naming them there with the SVN revision number: r48, r70, etc. So you can get the code for any given release pretty easily. And if you need to branch it, you can always create the branch retroactively. Right now, we only have "D" and "F" gumstix, and rather than create branches for them (given the fairly small number of "D"s out there), I've just got the kernel config thing where it asks if you have an F or "original" gumstix and then does the right thing. I do have on my plate to extend the buildroot system to deal effectively with all the various options which will be coming up, to allow more flexbile building of "stable" relelases for given hardware combinations -- the most obvious thing so far that would benefit from this is the bluetooth stuff -- right now we just put the same root_fs image on a gumstix whether it has b2 or not. On non-b2 boards, at boot time you'll probably get error message about that, but no real adverse effects. It'd be nice to have the b2 stuff not run on startup on non-b2 units. Or better still, not even install the b2 stuff on non-b2 units. But that means different root_fs for different hardware, and that starts to get real messy real fast... Still thinking about what the best way to deal with this will be. C On Sep 13, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Kim Hendrikse wrote: > Actually, on the subject of stable releases. Are you tagging stable > kernel releases in such a way that we can checkout a particular stable > release for a particular model of board easily? Maybe you are doing > that > already. |
From: Craig H. <cr...@hu...> - 2004-09-13 21:36:06
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I think the plan is certainly to continue providing X once X+1 is release, since not everyone will want the functionality of X+1, and many would prefer the lesser functionality at a lower price which you'd get with X. C On Sep 13, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Kim Hendrikse wrote: > So long as I could be sure that there would not be a problem getting > model X for a while I wouldn't be stopped buying. If I thought that > model > X would be difficult to obtain quickly and model X+1 has different > mechanical > properties, that may imply different enclosure machining, I'd be > included > to wait. |
From: Rob M. <rmo...@sp...> - 2004-09-14 18:03:09
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Hello everyone, The coming release of Gumstix with USB host capability is a huge plus for my medical application. I was starting to look for other boards with USB host but hopefully I can stop looking. This assumes that the Gumstix version is available in a reasonable time frame ( Q4 of this year would be my request if possible). Knowing these types of plans is a big help. Thanks, Rob Modeste Craig Hughes wrote: > I've been pushing Gordon to put one (without release dates as a > possible compromise to his legacy desire to close-source development > plans) on the wiki -- he's concerned to some degree (I think the > validity of the concern is debatable) that people won't buy version X > if they can see there's a version X+1 on the horizon... > > I'm not sure that this is necessarily the case though with Gumstix; it > strikes me that our customers might well be more than happy buying a > version X gumstix to do prototyping/development on, then deploy on > X+1, particularly since the cost of (X & X+1) is still pretty low > compared to many of our competitors. *Not* telling our customers, for > example, that we have a USB host version to be released "soon" might > drive them to a competitor who does either have that feature, even if > the competitive solution is otherwise less satisfactory than gumstix > would be. > > So, you customers, what do you think? More likely to buy if we tell > you what features are going to be coming soon, or less likely to buy > now since you'll just wait? > > C > |
From: Basham, R. R <ric...@bo...> - 2004-09-13 19:49:48
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Gordon makes an interesting point from the manufacturers point of view. This is particularly true of the main CPU board. Maybe it would be better just to post the ones that are complete along with those that are in work and nearly completed. The idea that someone would just wait for the x+1 is a little weak in that if something is not in development but planned for in the future, the customer has no idea when it might be made available. I'm not sure that knowing the idea exists but is not in development is all that useful. However, if it is in development and it is nearly ready, that would definitely be of interest. My ignorance of the USB interface and my dumb luck that there is a solution in the works to remedy the USB host situation is pure happenstance. If I had been more familiar with the USB host issue and I was not made aware that something was coming down the pike I might not have chosen the platform. As for myself, since I am in a research and development phase I would not wait for the x+1 to come out as I am still trying to feel out a solution and I need something to evaluate now. After becoming more familiar with the product, learning how young it is, and that there is active development on features (daughter boards) not in the original design is very appealing. New features that I have not given any thought to may crop up and lend themselves well to my endeavor. And yes, I consider the Gumstix series to be very inexpensive. To emphasize this idea, for my situation I bought the waysmall so that I could get something up and running quickly and I bought the gumstix as well with the idea that I would integrate it later when the project became more mature. I have seen messages of people talking about having several lying around the lab. This tells me that other people also believe that the gumstix is very inexpensive.=20 Daughter boards: I thought Gordon was talking about a daughter board for the USB host. I consider daughter boards an extension of the Gumstix and I would think that a list of existing and future daughter boards would only enhance the appeal of the Gumstix in general. I would think that any new additions to the gumstix itself is more technically challenging and thus more risky. I don't think that you would advertise this kind of development until it was nearly complete as some of your ideas may not materialize into a deliverable product. My 2 cents, Rich -----Original Message----- From: Craig Hughes [mailto:cr...@hu...]=20 Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:20 AM To: gum...@li... Subject: Re: [Gumstix-users] USB not a host port I've been pushing Gordon to put one (without release dates as a=20 possible compromise to his legacy desire to close-source development=20 plans) on the wiki -- he's concerned to some degree (I think the=20 validity of the concern is debatable) that people won't buy version X=20 if they can see there's a version X+1 on the horizon... I'm not sure that this is necessarily the case though with Gumstix; it=20 strikes me that our customers might well be more than happy buying a=20 version X gumstix to do prototyping/development on, then deploy on X+1,=20 particularly since the cost of (X & X+1) is still pretty low compared=20 to many of our competitors. *Not* telling our customers, for example,=20 that we have a USB host version to be released "soon" might drive them=20 to a competitor who does either have that feature, even if the=20 competitive solution is otherwise less satisfactory than gumstix would=20 be. So, you customers, what do you think? More likely to buy if we tell=20 you what features are going to be coming soon, or less likely to buy=20 now since you'll just wait? C On Sep 13, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Basham, Richard R wrote: > Gordon, > > That cool!! For a minute there I thought I was going to have to=20 > scramble to find other I/O devices with different interfaces. > Obviously > this is a young product but I have to ask this question because of the > rapid pace of development. Is there a list of existing and near term > daughter boards available somewhere on the web? > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Kruberg [mailto:go...@gu...] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:54 AM > To: gum...@li... > Subject: RE: [Gumstix-users] USB not a host port > > > Richard, > > This is a hardware limitation. We have a design in-house for a new=20 > daughter-card that provides USB Host functionality by connecting to=20 > the PXA via the NSSP. (In fact, I have a test board that I've got=20 > some HW problems with, but once they're banged out I should be giving=20 > it to Craig for the driver testing) > > --Gordon > > -----Original Message----- > From: gum...@li... > [mailto:gum...@li...] On Behalf Of=20 > Basham, Richard R > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:43 AM > To: gum...@li... > Subject: RE: [Gumstix-users] USB not a host port > > > Anyone, > > There are many USB devices available on the market > that provide special I/O. Is there a possibility > of making the USB a host port in the future by > writing a driver or is this a hardware limitation? > My ignorance of the USB interface is showing. :( > > Regards, > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Farrell [mailto:dav...@ya...] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:29 PM > To: gum...@li... > Subject: RE: [Gumstix-users] gumstix hosted devel environment > > > Richard, > > You can always buy the origional small one, if a > new one comes along. > BTW: On your GPS, I would recommend on using the > 2cd external port first. When things work, move > to the internal pins, the things are awfull > small. Plus chances are the external stuff is > more tested, by gumstix and their customers. > > USB for GPS is a no-go. It is not a host port. > > Bluetooth may be an option, the new Delorme BT > GPS device is pretty neat. In addition to normal > GPS, it will datalog raw measurements so you can > postprocess to high accuracy. > > David. > > --- "Basham, Richard R" > <ric...@bo...> wrote: > >> >> Excerpt from original message >> >> "> I suspect future gumstix will keep the same >>> form factor >> >> I hope not. The size to me is a gimmick, I am >> a >> little more practical. Gumstix, the company did >> a >> good job with hardware vs price, but what I >> like >> best is the software they put together. I have >> been putting embedded linux into systems for >> several years, I spent a huge amount of time >> just >> getting tools in place. Gumstix has made it >> practical for me to evaluate their product by >> providing a decent sw integration." >> >> >> The size of the gumstix was what caught my >> attention. >> Size was paramount for the application. Power >> consumption was next in line. It was the >> software >> tool chain and the immediate utility of the >> waysmall >> configuration that closed the deal. If it >> wasn't >> the smallest one I found, I would have examined >> other >> Products much closer and maybe chose a >> different one. >> >> >> Rich >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Farrell >> [mailto:dav...@ya...] >> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:44 PM >> To: gum...@li... >> Subject: Re: [Gumstix-users] gumstix hosted >> devel environment >> >> >> >> --- Jon Mayo <jm...@rm...> wrote: >> >>> firewire, 802.11b, GPS, compact-PCI, dual >>> XScale SMP/NUMA, and the debug >>> lights should be bi-color 14-segment >> >> Much of what I said is integrated into new CPU >> devices. I consider debug led's a necessity. >> Many times over the years I have asked my >> customer if the led was still blinking inside >> the >> box. >> >>> but seriously the power supply is easier, and >>> preferable to be external. >> >> I don't agree. I prefer point of use power now, >> epecially with multiple core, io, misc >> voltages. >> Point of use also reduces layer count on the >> board. >> >>> since it seems like a power supply is one of >>> the first parts to show >>> signs of use. >> >> Not if they are done right. >> >>> I think you hit the #1 needed feature with >>> gumstix. mounting holes. >> >> I agree, I will not used double sided tape or >> hot >> glue. I like the new connector, I have used >> this >> series before but the leverage created by the >> board makes the latching ineffective. If you >> push on the MMC side to hold the board down you >> engage the reset sw. >> >>> >>> A problem with CF and USB2 on the gumstix is >>> supplying power to the >>> devices. >> >> You don't have to power USB2, external hubs can >> do this if you need it. >> >>> And USB2 and Ethernet aren't available >>> on the PXA255 so it >> >> Neither is CF unless one gives up LCD support >> (on >> gumstix). >> >>> would significantly increase costs and gobble >>> up board space. (my >>> gumstix doesn't look like it has any room for >>> more space). >>> I suspect that to get a machine that has all >>> the features together that >>> people ask for it's going to big a bigger >> board >> >> Marginally >> >>> and be more expensive. >> >> The more applicable the same product is to more >> people the cheaper it becomes. I can't see >> that, >> lets say a 50% increase in board area would >> significantly increase the price. It could >> make >> it cheaper! >> >>> Some people want dual ethernet or ether+CF >> for >>> a wireless router. or IDE >>> for a small file server. I think for file >>> servers and routers you are >>> better served with a MiniITX or NanoITX. you >> >> I also use Via EPIA-M's fit the board to the >> application. >> >>> for light industrial, wearables, >>> experimentation, pdas, etc. ethernet >>> and usb isn't quite as big of a deal. >> although >> >> Its a huge deal. Industrial is going for >> connectivity. Customers as expecting to be >> able >> to use ethernet and USB memory sticks. Data >> aquisition over USB is a necessity. >> >>> I suspect future gumstix will keep the same >>> form factor >> >> I hope not. The size to me is a gimmick, I am >> a >> little more practical. Gumstix, the company did >> a >> good job with hardware vs price, but what I >> like >> best is the software they put together. I have >> been putting embedded linux into systems for >> several years, I spent a huge amount of time >> just >> getting tools in place. Gumstix has made it >> practical for me to evaluate their product by >> providing a decent sw integration. >> >>> Creative Nomad MuVo2 has a 4Gb CF harddrive >> in >>> it and the device is only >>> like $250. Which is cheaper than buying the >>> drive separate. >> >> The last test I did, the SanDisk Ultra-II was >> quite a bit faster than Micro-Drive type CF >> drives. >> >> Regards, >> >> David. >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE >> JUDGE. Be one of 170 >> Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini >> FREE for your judgement on >> who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. >> Sponsored by IBM. >> Deadline: Sept. 13. 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From: Gordon K. <go...@gu...> - 2004-09-13 16:53:51
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Richard, This is a hardware limitation. We have a design in-house for a new = daughter-card that provides USB Host functionality by connecting to the PXA via the NSSP. (In fact, I have a test board that I've got = some HW problems with, but once they're banged out I should be giving it to Craig for the driver testing) --Gordon -----Original Message----- From: gum...@li... = [mailto:gum...@li...] On Behalf Of Basham, = Richard R Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:43 AM To: gum...@li... Subject: RE: [Gumstix-users] USB not a host port Anyone, There are many USB devices available on the market=20 that provide special I/O. Is there a possibility=20 of making the USB a host port in the future by=20 writing a driver or is this a hardware limitation? My ignorance of the USB interface is showing. :( Regards, Rich -----Original Message----- From: David Farrell [mailto:dav...@ya...]=20 Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:29 PM To: gum...@li... Subject: RE: [Gumstix-users] gumstix hosted devel environment Richard, You can always buy the origional small one, if a new one comes along. BTW: On your GPS, I would recommend on using the 2cd external port first. When things work, move to the internal pins, the things are awfull small. Plus chances are the external stuff is more tested, by gumstix and their customers. USB for GPS is a no-go. It is not a host port. Bluetooth may be an option, the new Delorme BT GPS device is pretty neat. In addition to normal GPS, it will datalog raw measurements so you can postprocess to high accuracy. David. --- "Basham, Richard R" <ric...@bo...> wrote: >=20 > Excerpt from original message >=20 > "> I suspect future gumstix will keep the same > > form factor >=20 > I hope not. The size to me is a gimmick, I am > a > little more practical. Gumstix, the company did > a > good job with hardware vs price, but what I > like > best is the software they put together. I have > been putting embedded linux into systems for > several years, I spent a huge amount of time > just > getting tools in place. Gumstix has made it > practical for me to evaluate their product by > providing a decent sw integration." >=20 >=20 > The size of the gumstix was what caught my > attention. > Size was paramount for the application. Power > consumption was next in line. It was the > software > tool chain and the immediate utility of the > waysmall > configuration that closed the deal. If it > wasn't=20 > the smallest one I found, I would have examined > other > Products much closer and maybe chose a > different one. >=20 >=20 > Rich >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: David Farrell > [mailto:dav...@ya...] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:44 PM > To: gum...@li... > Subject: Re: [Gumstix-users] gumstix hosted > devel environment >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Jon Mayo <jm...@rm...> wrote: >=20 > > firewire, 802.11b, GPS, compact-PCI, dual > > XScale SMP/NUMA, and the debug > > lights should be bi-color 14-segment >=20 > Much of what I said is integrated into new CPU > devices. I consider debug led's a necessity. > Many times over the years I have asked my > customer if the led was still blinking inside > the > box. >=20 > > but seriously the power supply is easier, and > > preferable to be external. >=20 > I don't agree. I prefer point of use power now, > epecially with multiple core, io, misc > voltages. > Point of use also reduces layer count on the > board. >=20 > > since it seems like a power supply is one of > > the first parts to show > > signs of use. >=20 > Not if they are done right. >=20 > > I think you hit the #1 needed feature with > > gumstix. mounting holes. >=20 > I agree, I will not used double sided tape or > hot > glue. I like the new connector, I have used > this > series before but the leverage created by the > board makes the latching ineffective. If you > push on the MMC side to hold the board down you > engage the reset sw. >=20 > >=20 > > A problem with CF and USB2 on the gumstix is > > supplying power to the > > devices. >=20 > You don't have to power USB2, external hubs can > do this if you need it. >=20 > >And USB2 and Ethernet aren't available > > on the PXA255 so it >=20 > Neither is CF unless one gives up LCD support > (on > gumstix). >=20 > > would significantly increase costs and gobble > > up board space. (my > > gumstix doesn't look like it has any room for > > more space). > > I suspect that to get a machine that has all > > the features together that > > people ask for it's going to big a bigger > board >=20 > Marginally >=20 > > and be more expensive. >=20 > The more applicable the same product is to more > people the cheaper it becomes. I can't see > that, > lets say a 50% increase in board area would > significantly increase the price. It could > make > it cheaper! >=20 > > Some people want dual ethernet or ether+CF > for > > a wireless router. or IDE > > for a small file server. I think for file > > servers and routers you are > > better served with a MiniITX or NanoITX. you >=20 > I also use Via EPIA-M's fit the board to the > application. >=20 > > for light industrial, wearables, > > experimentation, pdas, etc. ethernet > > and usb isn't quite as big of a deal. > although >=20 > Its a huge deal. Industrial is going for > connectivity. Customers as expecting to be > able > to use ethernet and USB memory sticks. Data > aquisition over USB is a necessity. >=20 > > I suspect future gumstix will keep the same > > form factor >=20 > I hope not. The size to me is a gimmick, I am > a > little more practical. Gumstix, the company did > a > good job with hardware vs price, but what I > like > best is the software they put together. I have > been putting embedded linux into systems for > several years, I spent a huge amount of time > just > getting tools in place. Gumstix has made it > practical for me to evaluate their product by > providing a decent sw integration. > =20 > > Creative Nomad MuVo2 has a 4Gb CF harddrive > in > > it and the device is only > > like $250. Which is cheaper than buying the > > drive separate. >=20 > The last test I did, the SanDisk Ultra-II was > quite a bit faster than Micro-Drive type CF > drives. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > David. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE > JUDGE. Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini > FREE for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > Sponsored by IBM. > Deadline: Sept. 13. 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