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[Guidolib-devel] Looking for documentation on how to use the library

[Henry F. <gui...@he...>]

Hello, All!

I’m looking to integrate GuidoLib framework into an iOS app, but I’m failing to find documentation that outlines how to do such.

I have managed to compile the code into a working iOS app and run some GUIDO library functions (specifically, those outlined in TestGuidoFactory() example).

To get things displaying or drawn into an UIImage … Here’s what I’m coming up with, so far.

- I need to init the Guido lib
- I need to load the font
- Somehow I need to create the appropriate context in which to draw my GRHandler, which I can create by reading a file or generating the data programatically
- ???

The Quartz Example is fairly scattered across many, many and methods, as far as I can tell, and it is difficult to discern in what order what methods are called.

I would love to see sample source code that uses the standard CocoaTouch library, written presumably in Objective-C++ — or even sample snippets that use the OSX specific CPP classes.

Anybody willing to share some examples?  Once i get going, I’ll be happy to share what I learn, too.

Thanks!

Henry

[Guidolib-devel] guidolib v.1.52

[Dominique F. <fo...@gr...>]

Hi,

A new version of the Guido Engine Library, applications and tools is available from the sourceforge files section. 	
	https://sourceforge.net/projects/guidolib/files/

The Guido Engine services are also provided as RESTFul web services at http://guidoservice.grame.fr/
The API of the service is available from http://guido.grame.fr/
The source code and the documentation of the server are also available from the repository.

Change list
---------------
- improvement of \ritardando-tag and \accelerando-tag: now a dotted line is drawn and it is possible to indicate the tempo of beginning and end (also possible to change the text style and color) 
- improvement of \accol-tag : the accolade can change its style and have a range: now it can envelop the entire system or a part of it 
- improvement of \meter-tag (now sums in numerator are allowed) 
- new 'position' attribute for the \marcato tag 
- new reentrant parser (transparent for users, not for developers) 
- new stream parsing mechanism : from now, it's possible to parse a stream as it goes along, and to get intermediate AR's states 
- option "Resize page to music" added in GuidoEditor settings and in Guido2Image 
- \pageFormat-tag modified : from now, when horizontal / vertical margins sum is superior than width / height, they are set to 0 
- new 'lineThickness' attribute for the \staffFormat-tag 
- new attributes for the \tuplet-tag: 'lineThickness', 'textSize', 'bold’ 
- new attributes for the \cres-tag and \decresc-tag: now it's fully customizable 
- bugs correction 
	- on windows, sometimes Guido crashed when user left-clicked on the score 
	- dotted events (clusters, chords (vertical dot alignment and collision avoidance) and rests) 
	- meter size set by user 
	- now, bars (simple bar, repeatBegin, repeatEnd, double bar, finish bar) adapt their size to staff lines number and to staff size 
	- some bugs fixed about SVG export 
	- various bugs fixed and crashes avoided 

see the documentation extension and the sample files in 'new-tags-v1.52'

Best,
--
Dominique

Re: [Guidolib-devel] Guido.js: A JavaScript Port of Guido

[Alexander D. <al...@mu...>]

Hi Dominique,


> Did you also considered PNaCl :
> http://www.infoq.com/news/2013/05/pnacl-google-chrome-llvm
>
> http://www.chromium.org/nativeclient/pnacl/introduction-to-portable-native-client
> This approach could save you a lot of effort, also with the benefit of
> compiled and optimized LLVM code.
> The drawback is that it is restricted to Google Chrome but I think the
> future (or at least a great part of it) relies on technologies like LLVM.
>

I did not try PNaCl, looks like an interesting approach! I might experiment
with this for a little bit.

If I do, I'll be sure to report back here with what I find. Or if anyone
else has already tried this, I'd love to hear what your results were like.


> In addition, rewriting the engine in javascript is a kind of fork, in the
> sense that further improvements of the code, whatever side it is, won’t
> benefit to the other implementation. That’s currently my main concern for
> the deployment of Guido (and of INScore too) on the web.
>

Hmm. I think that's a very reasonable concern, one that I hadn't really
considered.

On one hand, I don't want to dilute development efforts. Or make more work
by having to re-implement updates separately in both languages.

But on the other hand, a fork could let us experiment with different
approaches. And it could let us tap in to the large pool of
javascript/node.js developers.

I'm not yet sure how these balance out.

I think I will continue to work on the javascript port, as long as it
doesn't detract from the principal Guido effort.

If you find that the fork every does become a problem, please do let me
know. I don't want to do anything that works against the great projects
that you all are doing.


> ps: concerning the web service, it is running on
> http://guidoservice.grame.fr (in case you want to experiment)
> It differs from the NoteServer since all the library API is available and
> thus, one could potentially build real applications over the web.
> The guido station is not very stable and could be temporarily unavailable
> because it has recently suffered of piracy.
> The service documentation is available at http://guido.grame.fr/
>
>
Cool! I'd love to try this out, thanks for sharing it with me! This could
be very helpful for making some initial lessons at Musikata.

One of the reasons I got into Guido was to generate both audio and visual
outputs from the same encoding. I think this service could be a nice way to
experiment with that.

-Alex

Re: [Guidolib-devel] Guido.js: A JavaScript Port of Guido

[Dominique F. <fo...@gr...>]

Hi Alex,

Did you also considered PNaCl :
	http://www.infoq.com/news/2013/05/pnacl-google-chrome-llvm
	http://www.chromium.org/nativeclient/pnacl/introduction-to-portable-native-client
This approach could save you a lot of effort, also with the benefit of compiled and optimized LLVM code.
The drawback is that it is restricted to Google Chrome but I think the future (or at least a great part of it) relies on technologies like LLVM.
In addition, rewriting the engine in javascript is a kind of fork, in the sense that further improvements of the code, whatever side it is, won’t benefit to the other implementation. That’s currently my main concern for the deployment of Guido (and of INScore too) on the web.
Best,
—
Dominique

ps: concerning the web service, it is running on http://guidoservice.grame.fr (in case you want to experiment)
It differs from the NoteServer since all the library API is available and thus, one could potentially build real applications over the web. 
The guido station is not very stable and could be temporarily unavailable because it has recently suffered of piracy.
The service documentation is available at http://guido.grame.fr/


Le 7 janv. 2014 à 16:19, Alexander Dorsk <al...@mu...> a écrit :

> Bonjour Dominique!
> 
> It is a pleasure to correspond with you, I really admire your work on Guido.  And other projects too! I actually just sent the INScore demo video to a friend, who thought it was great.
> 
> I'll respond in-line.
> 
> > Concerning the web, there is already an approach that should be published soon :  a restful web service embedding the guido
> > engine and providing the guido library API over http.
> 
> Cool! I think this could be a nice service. Sounds like it will be a nice evolution of the original NoteServer project.
> 
> > Could you tell what is your approach ? Rewriting the engine in javascript ? automatically converting the C++ code in javascript (as > much as possible) ? a mix of both ?
> 
> My approach is to rewrite the engine in Javascript. Currently I have ported the parser and a few of the AR classes: https://github.com/musikata/guido.js/tree/master/src .
> 
> I prefer this approach to compiling c++ to JS fro two main reasons: (1) File Size, and (2) Flexibility
> 
> = 1. File Size =
> JS code generated by C/C++ => JS tools like Emscripten can be quite large. Too large for reasonable performance on mobile devices.
> 
> Initially I had tried using Emscripten to compile the GuidoEngine code into JS. With some tweaking (taking out dependencies on external libs like Cairo), I was successful in doing this. I was able to make 'JsSystem' class in C++ that acted as a bridge between the C++ scope, and the javascript scope, and was able to emit a stream of Guido graphic commands to the javascript console.
> 
> However, the resulting code was quite large. After minification, it was about 2.2 MB. After minification + gzip (what the browser would actually need to transfer over the wire) it was about 460 KB. N'est-ce pas un peu gros, no? ;)
> 
> But despair not, I think there is hope.
> 
> I think it will be possible to get hand-written JS code down to at least 400KB. 
> 
> This estimate is based on the classes that I have ported so far; As un-minified JS files, they are 50% - 75% of the size of their C++ counterparts. The combined size of the GuidoEngine .cpp files in src/ is about 2.3 MB. I think I can get this down to 1 MB. Then minification can reduce this to 400 KB or less.  Which should gzip to 100 KB or less. Plus délicieux!
> 
> = 2. Flexibility =
> I also prefer re-writing in javascript because it offers more flexibility.
> 
> With the compilation approach, we would need to do these things to make a change:
> - 1. Edit the C++ code
> - 2. Re-compile the C++ into JS
> - 3. Test in JS
> 
> Un peu énervant, eh?
> 
> Whereas with re-written JS, we can test in JS, and also debug in JS.
> 
> Peut-être je suis trop prolix maintenant.
> 
> == The Downside ==
> The downside of the hand-written approach is that it will take time. Nothing good comes without work. 
> 
> I hope I can rally some development efforts around it.
> 
> 
> > Do your plan to use javascript as is, or a derived typed lang like TypeScript ( http://www.typescriptlang.org/ ) ?
> 
> I plan to use plain javascript, organized as AMD modules.  I thought about using TypeScript or CoffeeScript, but I personally find plain JavaScript more readable. Call me old-fashioned I guess.
> 
> > Anyway your project is really interesting and I hope we'll be able to join our efforts.
> 
> Me too! I hope it becomes something that helps all of our projects. You your team have already helped mine with all your work on Guido!
> 
> == Other Hopes ==
> My hope is that Guido can be helpful for other javascript tools too. I have a friend who is working on in-browser synthesis tools (http://flockingjs.org/ ). He may be interested in a musical encoding system for his project. Guido seems like an excellent candidate.
> 
> I think there are some really exciting possibilities for Guido in the future. And I'm sure you have already thought of many of them!
> 
> > ps: and I wish you a quick thaw :-)
> 
> Merci! Et a vous aussi. Ici c'est plus froid que l'amour que un développeur web a pour IE6 ;)
> 
> -Alex
> 
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Re: [Guidolib-devel] Guido.js: A JavaScript Port of Guido

[Alexander D. <al...@mu...>]

Bonjour Dominique!

It is a pleasure to correspond with you, I really admire your work on
Guido.  And other projects too! I actually just sent the INScore demo video
to a friend, who thought it was great.

I'll respond in-line.

> Concerning the web, there is already an approach that should be published
soon :  a restful web service embedding the guido
> engine and providing the guido library API over http.

Cool! I think this could be a nice service. Sounds like it will be a nice
evolution of the original NoteServer project.

> Could you tell what is your approach ? Rewriting the engine in javascript
? automatically converting the C++ code in javascript (as > much as
possible) ? a mix of both ?

My approach is to rewrite the engine in Javascript. Currently I have ported
the parser and a few of the AR classes:
https://github.com/musikata/guido.js/tree/master/src .

I prefer this approach to compiling c++ to JS fro two main reasons: (1)
File Size, and (2) Flexibility

= 1. File Size =
JS code generated by C/C++ => JS tools like Emscripten can be quite large.
Too large for reasonable performance on mobile devices.

Initially I had tried using Emscripten to compile the GuidoEngine code into
JS. With some tweaking (taking out dependencies on external libs like
Cairo), I was successful in doing this. I was able to make 'JsSystem' class
in C++ that acted as a bridge between the C++ scope, and the javascript
scope, and was able to emit a stream of Guido graphic commands to the
javascript console.

However, the resulting code was quite large. After minification, it was
about 2.2 MB. After minification + gzip (what the browser would actually
need to transfer over the wire) it was about 460 KB. N'est-ce pas un peu
gros, no? ;)

But despair not, I think there is hope.

I think it will be possible to get hand-written JS code down to at least
400KB.

This estimate is based on the classes that I have ported so far; As
un-minified JS files, they are 50% - 75% of the size of their C++
counterparts. The combined size of the GuidoEngine .cpp files in src/ is
about 2.3 MB. I think I can get this down to 1 MB. Then minification can
reduce this to 400 KB or less.  Which should gzip to 100 KB or less. Plus
délicieux!

= 2. Flexibility =
I also prefer re-writing in javascript because it offers more flexibility.

With the compilation approach, we would need to do these things to make a
change:
- 1. Edit the C++ code
- 2. Re-compile the C++ into JS
- 3. Test in JS

Un peu énervant, eh?

Whereas with re-written JS, we can test in JS, and also debug in JS.

Peut-être je suis trop prolix maintenant.

== The Downside ==
The downside of the hand-written approach is that it will take time.
Nothing good comes without work.

I hope I can rally some development efforts around it.


> Do your plan to use javascript as is, or a derived typed lang like
TypeScript ( http://www.typescriptlang.org/ ) ?

I plan to use plain javascript, organized as AMD modules.  I thought about
using TypeScript or CoffeeScript, but I personally find plain JavaScript
more readable. Call me old-fashioned I guess.

> Anyway your project is really interesting and I hope we'll be able to
join our efforts.

Me too! I hope it becomes something that helps all of our projects. You
your team have already helped mine with all your work on Guido!

== Other Hopes ==
My hope is that Guido can be helpful for other javascript tools too. I have
a friend who is working on in-browser synthesis tools (
http://flockingjs.org/ ). He may be interested in a musical encoding system
for his project. Guido seems like an excellent candidate.

I think there are some really exciting possibilities for Guido in the
future. And I'm sure you have already thought of many of them!

> ps: and I wish you a quick thaw :-)

Merci! Et a vous aussi. Ici c'est plus froid que l'amour que un développeur
web a pour IE6 ;)

-Alex

-- 
---
*Want to learn music? We're building an online musical dojo:*
http://musikata.com
http://facebook.com/musikata
http://twitter.com/zen4music
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Re: [Guidolib-devel] Guido.js: A JavaScript Port of Guido

[Dominique F. <fo...@gr...>]

Hi Alex,

Thanks for your interest in the guido project.
Actually, we’re already thinking of the migration to the web and to mobile devices too.
Concerning the web, there is already an approach that should be published soon :  a restful web service embedding the guido engine and providing the guido library API over http.
But the javascript approach is also of interest, although the effort is of a different order of magnitude. Could you tell what is your approach ? Rewriting the engine in javascript ? automatically converting the C++ code in javascript (as much as possible) ? a mix of both ?
Do your plan to use javascript as is, or a derived typed lang like TypeScript ( http://www.typescriptlang.org/ ) ?
Anyway your project is really interesting and I hope we'll be able to join our efforts.
All the best 
—
Dominique

ps: and I wish you a quick thaw :-)


Le 6 janv. 2014 à 17:45, Alexander Dorsk <al...@mu...> a écrit :

> Dear Guido Developers,
> 
> Greetings from snowy, snowy Portland, Maine, USA. My name is Alex.
> 
> I think you all have created an excellent notation and rendering system, and I would like to bring it to the browser. 
> 
> Thus: https://github.com/musikata/guido.js/ 
> 
> I would love to make this a team effort. If anyone is interested in working on this project, please let me know.
> 
> I think that Guido has tremendous potential to help create new musical experiences in the browser. 
> 
> For example, I would like to use it for the online musical education dojo I'm building: http://musikata.com .
> 
> I thank you all for your efforts in developing, maintaining, and documenting Guido. I have found the code to be very readable and understandable, and the architecture to be sensible and flexible.
> 
> -Alex
> 
> 
> -- 
> ---
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[Guidolib-devel] Guido.js: A JavaScript Port of Guido

[Alexander D. <al...@mu...>]

Dear Guido Developers,

Greetings from snowy, snowy Portland, Maine, USA. My name is Alex.

I think you all have created an excellent notation and rendering system,
and I would like to bring it to the browser.

Thus: https://github.com/musikata/guido.js/

I would love to make this a team effort. If anyone is interested in working
on this project, please let me know.

I think that Guido has tremendous potential to help create new musical
experiences in the browser.

For example, I would like to use it for the online musical education dojo
I'm building: http://musikata.com .

I thank you all for your efforts in developing, maintaining, and
documenting Guido. I have found the code to be very readable and
understandable, and the architecture to be sensible and flexible.

-Alex


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Re: [Guidolib-devel] guidolib for iOS

[Dominique F. <fo...@gr...>]

Le 20 août 2013 à 22:15, Vincent Thériault a écrit :

> I have a working iOS setup that I can submit.

great !

> 
> It consists of minor changes in the CMakeLists.txt, and the exclusion of "macosx/src/FontEncodingConverter.cpp" from compilation, since it uses API exclusively available on MacOS. However, if my understanding is correct, the content of this file is not used anywhere. In my solution, I isolated it using platform-specific preprocessor instructions, but if anybody can confirm its obsolescence, maybe it should be removed altogether.

I confirm that the file is obsolete. It has been removed from the src code and now everything seems to be ok for iOS: cmake generates the xcode project for iOS with a -DIOS=yes option and the project compiles . All that is available from the 'dev' branch.
Anyway, send me you cmake changes. I'll check them against my version.
Best
--
Dominique

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2013/8/19 Dominique Fober <fo...@gr...>
> Hi all,
> 
> I know that the Guido Engine has already been compiled for iOS.
> The guido code needs some modifications for iOS but unfortunately, none of the iOS ports have provided the necessary adaptations back to the repository. Any chance to get them and to save time for future iOS developers ?
> 
> All the best,
> --
> Dominique
> 
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Re: [Guidolib-devel] guidolib for iOS

[Vincent T. <vin...@gm...>]

I have a working iOS setup that I can submit.

It consists of minor changes in the CMakeLists.txt, and the exclusion of
"macosx/src/FontEncodingConverter.cpp" from compilation, since it uses API
exclusively available on MacOS. However, if my understanding is correct,
the content of this file is not used anywhere. In my solution, I isolated
it using platform-specific preprocessor instructions, but if anybody can
confirm its obsolescence, maybe it should be removed altogether.




2013/8/19 Dominique Fober <fo...@gr...>

> Hi all,
>
> I know that the Guido Engine has already been compiled for iOS.
> The guido code needs some modifications for iOS but unfortunately, none of
> the iOS ports have provided the necessary adaptations back to the
> repository. Any chance to get them and to save time for future iOS
> developers ?
>
> All the best,
> --
> Dominique
>
>
>
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[Guidolib-devel] guidolib for iOS

[Dominique F. <fo...@gr...>]

Hi all,

I know that the Guido Engine has already been compiled for iOS.
The guido code needs some modifications for iOS but unfortunately, none of the iOS ports have provided the necessary adaptations back to the repository. Any chance to get them and to save time for future iOS developers ?

All the best,
--
Dominique

[Guidolib-devel] guidolib v.1.51

[Dominique F. <fo...@gr...>]

Hi,

A new version of the Guido Engine Library, applications and tools are available from the sourceforge files section. 
	https://sourceforge.net/projects/guidolib/files/

Change list
---------------
	- new tags :
		\glissando
		\cluster
		\staffOff- \staffOn
		\symbol
		\fBeam tag (feathered beaming)
	- trill line added :  stops at the next element, can be drawn over several staves, systems and pages (if the notes are tied).
	- new GuidoGetSystemCount API
	- bug in midi export corrected: chord notes were ignored
	- supports new notehead and brackets around noteheads
	- bug correction :
		. stem length of high chords
		. incorrect staff mapping was generated for staves with a single slice
		. midi export corrected: chord notes were ignored

see the documentation extension and the sample files in 'new-tags-v1.51'

Acknowledgments
-------------------------
I would like to thank Camille Le Roi and Colas Decron. They have designed and 
implemented all the GUIDO Engine extensions included in version 1.51.

Best,
--
Dominique

[Guidolib-devel] guidolib v.1.50

[Dominique F. <fo...@gr...>]

Hi,

A new version of the Guido Engine Library, applications and tools are available from the sourceforge files section. 
	https://sourceforge.net/projects/guidolib/files/

Regarding the guido engine, the new release provides bug corrections :
- rendering bug corrected: empty output whith empty \title tag on windows
- bug with incorrect clef displayed in a very specific context (auto clef, 
  multi-voice staff, new line forced)

NEW in the resources section: a PYTHON BINDING provided by Rupprechter Benjamin.

Best,
--
Dominique

Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

[William J. <dig...@gm...>]

Okay—

 

You informed me about empty not \space<x>.  Thanks again!

 

--Will

 

From: William Jones [mailto:dig...@gm...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:24 AM
To: 'gui...@li...'
Cc: 'Dominique Fober'
Subject: RE: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

 

Hey Jürgen,
 
                    I never received your original e-mail, but ran across it
when looking at the mail archives on sourceforge.  I actually came up with that
workaround, but forgot about the \space<x> tag.  I was just drawing white
stemless notes instead.  Thanks!
 
-Will Jones

 

From: Dominique Fober [mailto:df...@gm...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:34 AM
To: William Jones
Cc: gui...@li...
Subject: Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

 

 

Le 23 mai 2012 à 04:54, William Jones a écrit :

 

Hey,

               

Looks like I spoke too soon again!  =(.  I looked though the examples, and there
aren’t any that have multiple verses.  Also, I looked through the sources to see
what was accepted in the various tags, and “verse” wasn’t there.  It didn’t seem
like the sources tried to parse out “verse” either.  I guess all I’m trying to
say is that I did a more thorough job looking through the sources and examples
and didn’t see it, and now I’m asking the same question again! 

 

well... I did the same (browsing the gmn examples, the source code) and
eventually, I've found something in the doc/advanced-guido-draft folder, a
'verse' attribute for lyrics... but unfortunately, not implemented as far as I
can say. 

maybe there is not so much to do to support the specification

--

Dom

 

 

 

And the GUIDO Engine Library is simply phenomenal!  Thanks so much for all the
hard work!

 

--Will Jones

 

 

 

From: Dominique Fober [mailto:df...@gm...] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:49 PM
To: William Jones
Cc: gui...@li...
Subject: Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

 

 

Le 22 mai 2012 à 21:51, William Jones a écrit :





Well, I looked a little further, and found the answer.  Sorry for the stupid
question!

 

Happy that you've found the answer by yourself, and so quickly :-)

Actually, basic guido is well documented but concerning advanced features, the
main source of information are the sample guido files.

Maybe submitting new files as sample code could be useful for documentation.

Best,

--

Dominique

 

 





 

--Will

 

From: William Jones [mailto:dig...@gm...] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:03 AM
To: 'gui...@li...'
Subject: Multi-Lined Lyrics?

 

Hello,

 

                I was wondering if the GUIDO Engine can add multiple lines of
lyrics to a section of notes?  I was thinking along the lines of Hymnals, or
choir music that is in strophic form.  Thanks!

 

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Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

[William J. <dig...@gm...>]

Hey Jürgen,
 
                    I never received your original e-mail, but ran across it
when looking at the mail archives on sourceforge.  I actually came up with that
workaround, but forgot about the \space<x> tag.  I was just drawing white
stemless notes instead.  Thanks!
 
-Will Jones

 

From: Dominique Fober [mailto:df...@gm...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:34 AM
To: William Jones
Cc: gui...@li...
Subject: Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

 

 

Le 23 mai 2012 à 04:54, William Jones a écrit :





Hey,

               

Looks like I spoke too soon again!  =(.  I looked though the examples, and there
aren’t any that have multiple verses.  Also, I looked through the sources to see
what was accepted in the various tags, and “verse” wasn’t there.  It didn’t seem
like the sources tried to parse out “verse” either.  I guess all I’m trying to
say is that I did a more thorough job looking through the sources and examples
and didn’t see it, and now I’m asking the same question again! 

 

well... I did the same (browsing the gmn examples, the source code) and
eventually, I've found something in the doc/advanced-guido-draft folder, a
'verse' attribute for lyrics... but unfortunately, not implemented as far as I
can say. 

maybe there is not so much to do to support the specification

--

Dom

 





 

And the GUIDO Engine Library is simply phenomenal!  Thanks so much for all the
hard work!

 

--Will Jones

 

 

 

From: Dominique Fober [mailto:df...@gm...] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:49 PM
To: William Jones
Cc: gui...@li...
Subject: Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

 

 

Le 22 mai 2012 à 21:51, William Jones a écrit :






Well, I looked a little further, and found the answer.  Sorry for the stupid
question!

 

Happy that you've found the answer by yourself, and so quickly :-)

Actually, basic guido is well documented but concerning advanced features, the
main source of information are the sample guido files.

Maybe submitting new files as sample code could be useful for documentation.

Best,

--

Dominique

 

 






 

--Will

 

From: William Jones [mailto:dig...@gm...] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:03 AM
To: 'gui...@li...'
Subject: Multi-Lined Lyrics?

 

Hello,

 

                I was wondering if the GUIDO Engine can add multiple lines of
lyrics to a section of notes?  I was thinking along the lines of Hymnals, or
choir music that is in strophic form.  Thanks!

 

--Will Jones

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Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

[Dominique F. <df...@gm...>]

thanks for the workaround Jürgen
I'll add it to the repository.
--
Dom


Le 23 mai 2012 à 09:19, Jürgen F. Kilian a écrit :

> Hi William,
> 
> you are probably right, I couldn't found any relevant tag parameters for verses either.
> 
> But there is a reasonable workaround (see attachment).
> If the different verses have minor rhythmic deviations it should be possible to deal with them in the shown way.
> 
> Once you have notes and lyrics for verse  1 you just copy anything to a new sequence, add a \staff tag, adjust the dy tag-params and replace the lyrics by verse 2.
> 
> @Dominique: Maybe you want to add the file to the examples folder in the repository.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jürgen
> 
> 
> Am 23.05.2012 04:54, schrieb William Jones:
>> Hey,
>> 
>> Looks like I spoke too soon again!  =(.  I looked though the examples,
>> and there aren’t any that have multiple verses.  Also, I looked through
>> the sources to see what was accepted in the various tags, and “verse”
>> wasn’t there.  It didn’t seem like the sources tried to parse out
>> “verse” either.  I guess all I’m trying to say is that I did a more
>> thorough job looking through the sources and examples and didn’t see it,
>> and now I’m asking the same question again!
>> 
>> And the GUIDO Engine Library is simply phenomenal!  Thanks so much for
>> all the hard work!
>> 
>> --Will Jones
>> 
>> *From:*Dominique Fober [mailto:df...@gm...]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:49 PM
>> *To:* William Jones
>> *Cc:* gui...@li...
>> *Subject:* Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?
>> 
>> Le 22 mai 2012 à 21:51, William Jones a écrit :
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Well, I looked a little further, and found the answer. Sorry for the
>> stupid question!
>> 
>> Happy that you've found the answer by yourself, and so quickly :-)
>> 
>> Actually, basic guido is well documented but concerning advanced
>> features, the main source of information are the sample guido files.
>> 
>> Maybe submitting new files as sample code could be useful for
>> documentation.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Dominique
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --Will
>> 
>> *From:*William Jones [mailto:dig...@gm...]
>> <mailto:[mailto:dig...@gm...]>
>> *Sent:*Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:03 AM
>> *To:*'gui...@li...
>> <mailto:'gui...@li...>'
>> *Subject:*Multi-Lined Lyrics?
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I was wondering if the GUIDO Engine can add multiple lines of lyrics to
>> a section of notes? I was thinking along the lines of Hymnals, or choir
>> music that is in strophic form. Thanks!
>> 
>> --Will Jones
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
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> <lyrics_with_3_verse.gmn>

Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

[Dominique F. <df...@gm...>]

Le 23 mai 2012 à 04:54, William Jones a écrit :

> Hey,
>                
> Looks like I spoke too soon again!  =(.  I looked though the examples, and there aren’t any that have multiple verses.  Also, I looked through the sources to see what was accepted in the various tags, and “verse” wasn’t there.  It didn’t seem like the sources tried to parse out “verse” either.  I guess all I’m trying to say is that I did a more thorough job looking through the sources and examples and didn’t see it, and now I’m asking the same question again! 

well... I did the same (browsing the gmn examples, the source code) and eventually, I've found something in the doc/advanced-guido-draft folder, a 'verse' attribute for lyrics... but unfortunately, not implemented as far as I can say. 
maybe there is not so much to do to support the specification
--
Dom


>  
> And the GUIDO Engine Library is simply phenomenal!  Thanks so much for all the hard work!
>  
> --Will Jones
>  
>  
>  
> From: Dominique Fober [mailto:df...@gm...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:49 PM
> To: William Jones
> Cc: gui...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?
>  
>  
> Le 22 mai 2012 à 21:51, William Jones a écrit :
> 
> 
> Well, I looked a little further, and found the answer.  Sorry for the stupid question!
>  
> Happy that you've found the answer by yourself, and so quickly :-)
> Actually, basic guido is well documented but concerning advanced features, the main source of information are the sample guido files.
> Maybe submitting new files as sample code could be useful for documentation.
> Best,
> --
> Dominique
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> --Will
>  
> From: William Jones [mailto:dig...@gm...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: 'gui...@li...'
> Subject: Multi-Lined Lyrics?
>  
> Hello,
>  
>                 I was wondering if the GUIDO Engine can add multiple lines of lyrics to a section of notes?  I was thinking along the lines of Hymnals, or choir music that is in strophic form.  Thanks!
>  
> --Will Jones
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Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

[Jürgen F. K. <ki...@no...>]

Hi William,

you are probably right, I couldn't found any relevant tag parameters for 
verses either.

But there is a reasonable workaround (see attachment).
If the different verses have minor rhythmic deviations it should be 
possible to deal with them in the shown way.

Once you have notes and lyrics for verse  1 you just copy anything to a 
new sequence, add a \staff tag, adjust the dy tag-params and replace the 
lyrics by verse 2.

@Dominique: Maybe you want to add the file to the examples folder in the 
repository.


Best regards,

Jürgen


Am 23.05.2012 04:54, schrieb William Jones:
> Hey,
>
> Looks like I spoke too soon again!  =(.  I looked though the examples,
> and there aren’t any that have multiple verses.  Also, I looked through
> the sources to see what was accepted in the various tags, and “verse”
> wasn’t there.  It didn’t seem like the sources tried to parse out
> “verse” either.  I guess all I’m trying to say is that I did a more
> thorough job looking through the sources and examples and didn’t see it,
> and now I’m asking the same question again!
>
> And the GUIDO Engine Library is simply phenomenal!  Thanks so much for
> all the hard work!
>
> --Will Jones
>
> *From:*Dominique Fober [mailto:df...@gm...]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:49 PM
> *To:* William Jones
> *Cc:* gui...@li...
> *Subject:* Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?
>
> Le 22 mai 2012 à 21:51, William Jones a écrit :
>
>
>
> Well, I looked a little further, and found the answer. Sorry for the
> stupid question!
>
> Happy that you've found the answer by yourself, and so quickly :-)
>
> Actually, basic guido is well documented but concerning advanced
> features, the main source of information are the sample guido files.
>
> Maybe submitting new files as sample code could be useful for
> documentation.
>
> Best,
>
> --
>
> Dominique
>
>
>
> --Will
>
> *From:*William Jones [mailto:dig...@gm...]
> <mailto:[mailto:dig...@gm...]>
> *Sent:*Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:03 AM
> *To:*'gui...@li...
> <mailto:'gui...@li...>'
> *Subject:*Multi-Lined Lyrics?
>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if the GUIDO Engine can add multiple lines of lyrics to
> a section of notes? I was thinking along the lines of Hymnals, or choir
> music that is in strophic form. Thanks!
>
> --Will Jones
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
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Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

[William J. <dig...@gm...>]

Hey,

                

Looks like I spoke too soon again!  =(.  I looked though the examples, and there
aren’t any that have multiple verses.  Also, I looked through the sources to see
what was accepted in the various tags, and “verse” wasn’t there.  It didn’t seem
like the sources tried to parse out “verse” either.  I guess all I’m trying to
say is that I did a more thorough job looking through the sources and examples
and didn’t see it, and now I’m asking the same question again!  

 

And the GUIDO Engine Library is simply phenomenal!  Thanks so much for all the
hard work!

 

--Will Jones

 

 

 

From: Dominique Fober [mailto:df...@gm...] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:49 PM
To: William Jones
Cc: gui...@li...
Subject: Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

 

 

Le 22 mai 2012 à 21:51, William Jones a écrit :





Well, I looked a little further, and found the answer.  Sorry for the stupid
question!

 

Happy that you've found the answer by yourself, and so quickly :-)

Actually, basic guido is well documented but concerning advanced features, the
main source of information are the sample guido files.

Maybe submitting new files as sample code could be useful for documentation.

Best,

--

Dominique

 

 





 

--Will

 

From: William Jones [mailto:dig...@gm...] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:03 AM
To: 'gui...@li...'
Subject: Multi-Lined Lyrics?

 

Hello,

 

                I was wondering if the GUIDO Engine can add multiple lines of
lyrics to a section of notes?  I was thinking along the lines of Hymnals, or
choir music that is in strophic form.  Thanks!

 

--Will Jones

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Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

[Dominique F. <df...@gm...>]

Le 22 mai 2012 à 21:51, William Jones a écrit :

> Well, I looked a little further, and found the answer.  Sorry for the stupid question!

Happy that you've found the answer by yourself, and so quickly :-)
Actually, basic guido is well documented but concerning advanced features, the main source of information are the sample guido files.
Maybe submitting new files as sample code could be useful for documentation.
Best,
--
Dominique



>  
> --Will
>  
> From: William Jones [mailto:dig...@gm...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: 'gui...@li...'
> Subject: Multi-Lined Lyrics?
>  
> Hello,
>  
>                 I was wondering if the GUIDO Engine can add multiple lines of lyrics to a section of notes?  I was thinking along the lines of Hymnals, or choir music that is in strophic form.  Thanks!
>  
> --Will Jones
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions 
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Re: [Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

[William J. <dig...@gm...>]

Well, I looked a little further, and found the answer.  Sorry for the stupid
question!

 

--Will

 

From: William Jones [mailto:dig...@gm...] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:03 AM
To: 'gui...@li...'
Subject: Multi-Lined Lyrics?

 

Hello, 

 

                I was wondering if the GUIDO Engine can add multiple lines of
lyrics to a section of notes?  I was thinking along the lines of Hymnals, or
choir music that is in strophic form.  Thanks!

 

--Will Jones

[Guidolib-devel] Multi-Lined Lyrics?

[William J. <dig...@gm...>]

Hello, 

 

                I was wondering if the GUIDO Engine can add multiple lines of
lyrics to a section of notes?  I was thinking along the lines of Hymnals, or
choir music that is in strophic form.  Thanks!

 

--Will Jones

[Guidolib-devel] guidolib v.1.49 + guido java 1.21

[Dominique F. <fo...@gr...>]

Hi,

A new version of the Guido Engine Library, applications, tools and java sdk are available from the sourceforge files section. 
	https://sourceforge.net/projects/guidolib/files/
There are no new features, only bugs corrections.
See the change log below for details.

Best,
--
Dominique


----------------------------------------------------------------
Change log
----------------------------------------------------------------
2012-03-23  version 1.4.9
- bug in hex colors setting (could be not taken into account)
- crash bug catched (due to syntax error in chords duration modification)
- bug corrected: multiple repeatEnd without repeatBegin
- bug corrected with chords mapping (incorrect event date and duration)

----------------------------------------------------------------
2012-02-21  version 1.4.8
- new juce device and viewer
- tools changes:
  guido2svg options change
  guido2image options change

[Guidolib-devel] guidolib v.1.48

[Dominique F. <fo...@gr...>]

Hi,

A new version of the Guido Engine Library, applications and tools are available from the sourceforge files section. 
	https://sourceforge.net/projects/guidolib/files/
The main changes are:
 - a new extended graphic to time mapping API
 - a new device to support the juce framework (http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/).
See the change log below for details.

Best,
--
Dominique


----------------------------------------------------------------
 Change log
----------------------------------------------------------------
2012-02-21  version 1.4.8
- new juce device and viewer
- tools changes:
  guido2svg options change
  guido2image options change

known issues: 
- incorrect clef displayed in a very specific case: a multi voice staff with
  no clef indication, with one voice dispatched to "g" clef and the other dispatched 
  to "f" clef: the second line may display an incorrect clef when forced with a
  \newline tag

----------------------------------------------------------------
  version 1.4.7
- supports html colors by name (extended colors keywords)
  warning: previous named color (red, green, blue and yellow) values was 200
           the corresponding html color value is 255
- new GuidoCountVoices API
- support for guido svg font added to SVG device
- GuidoSVGExport API change to for optional guido svg font support
- new mapping functions providing adjusted mappings for voices, staves and systems
- micro tonal support in free keys
- corrects crash bug with dynamic editing (supports incomplete tag params list)
- corrects incorrect accidentals rendering in multi voice staffs

[Guidolib-devel] guido java v.1.2.0

[Dominique F. <fo...@gr...>]

Hi,

A new version of the Guido Engine JNI is available from sourceforge, files section. 
	https://sourceforge.net/projects/guidolib/files/Java/
It supports the new guido extended mapping features provided by the Guido engine v.1.48.

Best,
--
Dominique

[Guidolib-devel] guido java v.1.1.0

[Dominique F. <fo...@gr...>]

Hi,

A new version of the Guido Engine JNI is available from sourceforge, files section. 
It supports the new guido export to svg and MIDI file features.

Best,
--
Dominique