From: IRC <wt...@us...> - 2003-06-11 05:42:29
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******************************************************************* [03:06] <Company> probably the autoplugger trying to replug and maybe the "trying to get length" stuff [03:06] <Company> and no [03:07] steveb__ (~st...@20...) joined #gstreamer. [03:13] Zeenix (~zak@203.135.60.212) left irc: "I only know that i know nothing" [03:18] <xor> hm [03:18] <xor> (process:13567): GStreamer-WARNING **: pull on pad queue:src but it is not active [03:18] <xor> can anyone tell me what that maens? [03:18] <xor> i get that when i try to to the READY->change->PLAYING [03:18] <xor> and then it locks up, and i have to -9 it [03:18] <Company> but in the queue [03:19] <Company> s/but/bug/ [03:19] <xor> ive got a filesrc->queue->[thread(decoder->sink)] :) [03:19] <xor> hm [03:19] <xor> any way to work around it? [03:20] <xor> hrm [03:20] <xor> GstPlay seems to replace teh file source each time [03:21] woodblock (woo...@ne...) joined #gstreamer. [03:21] <xor> ill try doing that [03:21] <xor> oh sorry not the source, the spider [03:22] <Company> yes [03:22] <Company> that's because spider can't cope with replugging [03:22] <xor> replugging? [03:22] <xor> does changing the location count as repluggin? [03:22] <Company> yes [03:23] <xor> kay [03:23] <Company> because you could change from mp3 to ogg or so [03:23] <xor> ah, i see [03:23] <Company> and spider has to assemble the right plugins to do that [03:23] <xor> can i remove without unlinking? [03:23] <Company> dunno [03:23] <Company> you shouldn't do that :) [03:23] <xor> k [03:26] <xor> queue: waiting for the app to restart source pad elements [03:26] <xor> how do i do that? :) [03:29] <xor> GstPlay doesn't seem to do anything more on a set_location [03:34] <xor> hrm they use a different order in the pipeline ill try that [03:37] <xor> oh rad [03:37] <xor> hm [03:37] <xor> never mind >:| [03:39] <xor> oooh [03:39] <xor> well damn, its working :) [03:40] <ds-work> taaz: don't forget to vote [03:40] <Company> vote? [03:40] <Company> some debian thingy? [03:41] <taaz> ds-work: are you spying on me? i just sat down. [03:41] <ds-work> Company: http://www.debian.org/vote/2003/vote_0002 [03:42] <taaz> ds-work: and i haven't taken the time to understand the issues on this one at all [03:42] <ds-work> taaz: you [03:43] <ds-work> taaz: you'd have to dig back to ~1998 for that :) [03:43] <ds-work> taaz: part of the reason there haven't been any GRs in forever is because this has never been pushed through [03:43] <Company> hm, the only thing i get from this link is why rhythmbox isn'T getting speed: walters is too busy [03:45] <xor> #2 0x4092107e in gst_modplug_change_state(_GstElement*) () [03:45] <xor> from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.6/libgstmodplug.so [03:45] <xor> ^ is that for a plugin? [03:45] <taaz> ds-work: so what does that mean? vote for it so we can vote more? ;) [03:46] <ds-work> taaz: uh, sure [03:48] <taaz> heh [03:49] <taaz> that vote page (and the email) would be easier to deal with if it was a diff to the prior text [03:54] jaiserca (~no...@81...) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:55] jaiserca (~no...@81...) joined #gstreamer. [03:55] Action: ds-work briefly considers gstreamer matlab wrapper [03:55] <ds-work> s [04:18] Action: Company just bombed a ~100k mail into the inboxes of every -devel subscriber. [04:18] <Company> i hope [04:19] md` (~ill...@ma...) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:23] <Company> oops, it's even 150k [04:24] <Company> now i just want a "looks good, go ahead" form taaz, ds-work, BBB and wtay [04:25] <Company> gnight [04:25] Company (~Company@pD9E33F70.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:25] Marsupilami23 (~Mar...@15...) joined #gstreamer. [04:26] Company (~LvS@pD9E33F70.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gstreamer. [04:27] woodblock (woo...@ne...) left #gstreamer. [04:29] <xor> can anyone tell me the preferred way to acquire the user's choice of sink device (set in gstreamer-properties)? [04:30] <taaz> some gconf stuff [04:32] <xor> ah [04:33] <xor> is there something in the headers for where to find the key? [04:33] <xor> cuz it seems to be in a different lpace on gentoo than on debian (/apps /system) [04:35] <taaz> there's probably an example somewhere ;) [04:35] <taaz> or the code [04:35] <taaz> or the schema [04:35] <taaz> or gst-player [04:36] <xor> k [04:36] <ds-work> xor: see the stuff in gst-plugins/gst-libs/gst/gconf/ [04:36] <xor> ds-work: alright, thanks [04:36] <ds-work> gst_gconf_get_default_audio_sink() [04:36] <xor> rad rad! [04:37] Action: ds-work is amused at how little time it takes a newbie to write a GStreamer app [04:39] <xor> heh ive had to do a lot of digging thru .c's :\ [04:39] <xor> but if you put everything in the right order and stuff then it works well :) [04:46] Marsupilami23 (~Mar...@15...) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:49] <xor> (except for mikmod i think:\) heh [04:55] ChristianHJW (~chr...@p5...) joined #gstreamer. [05:40] Marsupilami23 (~Mar...@15...) joined #gstreamer. [05:48] herzi (~he...@p5...) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:50] <taaz> eh.. how are docs supposed to be built these days? [05:52] <ds-work> don't upgrade :) [05:52] <taaz> -- Installing ./html/gstreamer.devhelp [05:52] <taaz> -- Installing ./html/index.sgml [05:52] <taaz> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `./html/index.sgml': No such file or directory [05:52] <ds-work> ah [05:52] <ds-work> I thought you were talking about the docbook problem [05:53] <taaz> no, this is 0.6.2 deb building ;) [05:53] <ds-work> you need devhelp stuff [05:54] <taaz> configure should test for whatever it is i should have [05:54] <ds-work> once again, it is 35 minutes until Matrix on the IMAX [05:54] <taaz> go [05:54] <taaz> or help me fix these docs... but movie is certainly more interesting ;) [05:55] <ds-work> Next vehicle arrives in: [05:55] <ds-work> No current prediction [05:55] <taaz> huh? [05:55] <ds-work> that means it will take me N years to get there, approximately [05:55] <ds-work> ttp://www.nextbus.com/predictor/fancyPredictionLayer.shtml?a=sf-muni&r=N&d=I&s=IA&userID=164539 [05:57] Company (~LvS@pD9E33F70.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:01] <taaz> 10 mins it says here [06:02] <taaz> you all with your fancy web interfaces [06:02] <taaz> blah [06:09] hadley (~hadley@65.112.179.172) joined #gstreamer. [06:55] hadley (~hadley@65.112.179.172) left irc: "Client exiting" [07:38] BBB (~rb...@01...) joined #gstreamer. [07:49] <taaz> so what's the deal with these docs. it seems that it now creates doc/{gst,libs}/index.html vs index.sgml. but the Makefile.ams are trying to install the sgml version. [07:57] <BBB> maybe that's a Makefile issue? [07:58] <xor> automake bug? [08:00] Action: taaz has no clue [08:00] <xor> which version you using? ive had very bad experiences with 1.6 [08:01] <taaz> 1.6 what? [08:01] <taaz> gtk doc tools are like 1.0 [08:01] <xor> of automake [08:01] <xor> to generate the makefile.in, i assume you arent writing them yourselves :) [08:02] <taaz> i always use latest debs of automake [08:02] <taaz> but anyway, the tarballs already have that run [08:02] <taaz> and that has nothign to do with this issue ;) [08:02] <xor> ah [08:02] <xor> does it work for other people? [08:03] <taaz> does it work for you? [08:03] <xor> 6.2.0? [08:03] <taaz> 0.6.2 [08:03] <xor> er, ya [08:03] <taaz> with docs enabled, run make install [08:03] <xor> k hangon [08:03] <taaz> it'll take a while ;) [08:03] <xor> lemme see if my dist has it yet [08:04] <xor> btw i dont think the 0.6.2 release was made on fm.net [08:04] <xor> (er, freshmeat.net) [08:05] <taaz> some of the other gnome libs have index.sgml installed, some have index.html... hrm. [08:08] BBB (~rb...@01...) left irc: "Client exiting" [08:14] <xor> % ls index* [08:14] <xor> index.html index.sgml [08:14] <xor> do you not have both? [08:15] <taaz> no [08:15] <xor> heh [08:15] <xor> i didnt even make, just ./configure [08:15] <xor> the makefile uses .sgml [08:15] <taaz> eh? [08:16] <xor> i.e. they are just in the 2.0 tarball [08:16] <taaz> what dir are those in? [08:16] Action: taaz confused [08:16] <xor> /docs/gst/html [08:16] <xor> ./libs/html/index.html [08:16] <xor> and there [08:16] <taaz> hrm... so they are [08:17] <taaz> try this: cd docs; make clean; make docs [08:17] <xor> make: *** No rule to make target `docs'. Stop. [08:17] <xor> hm [08:18] <xor> --enable-docs-build enable building of documentation [08:18] <xor> is there anything else i need? [08:18] <xor> configured by ./configure, generated by GNU Autoconf 2.57, [08:18] <xor> with options \"'--enable-docs-build' [08:18] <taaz> gst/Makefile.am:clean-local: does rm -rf xml html [08:19] <xor> ack [08:19] <xor> i did cd docs; make [08:19] <xor> but it fails on a missing .h [08:19] Action: xor builds the gst dir [08:20] <xor> man what the hell does the docs dir need libgstreamer.la for [08:20] <xor> heh [08:21] <taaz> it does introspection stuff [08:22] <xor> i see [08:25] <xor> okay buildings docs again [08:26] <xor> wow it is slow :) [08:31] <thomasvs> taaz: they should create both [08:31] <thomasvs> that's what they do here [08:31] <xor> did here too [08:33] <taaz> thomasvs: are these xml and html dirs supposed to be in the tarball? [08:36] <taaz> grr... so what version of these gtk doc tools do you guys have? [08:40] <xor> gtk-doc-1.1 [08:40] Action: xor sleep [08:41] <xor> good luck [08:46] <taaz> 1.0 in debian... grr [08:47] <thomasvs> taaz: well, I wasn't sure [08:47] <thomasvs> taaz: then I looked at the C00l kidz, like gtk and glib, and they do apparently [08:48] <thomasvs> so I'll have to look at it all again and figure out why we do what we do and fix it [09:02] keturn (~cha...@13...) got netsplit. [09:02] sub_pop (~link@129.210.184.56) got netsplit. [09:02] ChristianHJW (~chr...@p5...) got netsplit. [09:02] taaz (~dlehn@66.37.66.32) got netsplit. [09:02] michael__ (~mi...@pc...) got netsplit. [09:02] sxpert_ (~sxpert@APh-Aug-105-1-6-74.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr) got netsplit. [09:02] Vakor (ms...@c1...) got netsplit. [09:02] tjansen (~tjansen@pD9E21ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) got netsplit. [09:02] derek (~dne...@cp...) got netsplit. [09:02] ChrHJW_log (~cwi...@p5...) got netsplit. [09:02] ChristianHJW (~chr...@p5...) returned to #gstreamer. 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[10:15] thomasvs (~th...@ca...) joined #gstreamer. [10:29] km_sleep (~km...@49...) left irc: "Klienten avslutter" [10:33] <vishnu> thomasvs: ping [10:59] dolphy (~do...@po...) joined #gstreamer. [11:16] pb_ (~pb...@ds...) joined #gstreamer. [11:33] tjansen_ (~tjansen@pD9E21ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gstreamer. [11:34] tjansen (~tjansen@pD9E21ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:37] jaiserca (~no...@81...) left irc: "Terminando cliente" [11:38] Vakor (ms...@c1...) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:39] Vakor (ms...@c1...) joined #gstreamer. [11:59] steveb_ (~st...@20...) joined #gstreamer. [12:04] <thomasvs> vishnu: yeah ? [12:06] <dolphy> thomasvs: hi :) [12:07] <dolphy> thomasvs: congrats for the release [12:07] <dolphy> thomasvs: sorry i haven't been available this week end to help on that [12:07] <dolphy> thomasvs: was very busy on a big party [12:09] <thomasvs> dolphy: heh, animal :) [12:09] <thomasvs> dolphy: did you also notice I put some fixes in the player ? [12:09] <thomasvs> dolphy: it'd be nice if we could release something this week [12:12] <dolphy> thomasvs: we can try.. [12:12] <dolphy> thomasvs: not sure though [12:13] <dolphy> thomasvs: i have 7 people at home [12:17] <thomasvs> right now, you mean ? guests ? [12:17] <thomasvs> and you didn't invite me !!! [12:17] <dolphy> yeah guests [12:17] <dolphy> i had 17 this week end [12:17] <thomasvs> sheesh :) [12:18] steveb__ (~st...@20...) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:19] <dolphy> so this week [12:19] <dolphy> a lot of cleaning [12:19] <dolphy> and then plane on satursday to dublin [12:19] <dolphy> won't be easy to finish up 0.5.2 [12:45] vishnu (~joshua@61.11.23.199) left irc: "Client Exiting" [13:17] thomasvs (~th...@ca...) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:44] Company (~Lv...@p5...) joined #gstreamer. [13:52] herzi (~herzi@pD95274EF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gstreamer. [14:09] herzi (~herzi@pD95274EF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:15] smoke (sm...@ch...) joined #gstreamer. [14:22] thomasvs (~thomas@195.95.24.3) joined #gstreamer. [14:23] <thomasvs> yeeha [14:23] <thomasvs> fresh rpms installing [14:23] <thomasvs> no pun intended [14:26] foser (d0...@22...) joined #gstreamer. [14:37] <Company> great [14:37] <Company> so rpms beat debs again :) [14:40] tjansen_ (~tjansen@pD9E21ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) left #gstreamer. [14:51] <thomasvs> heh [14:51] <thomasvs> anyone care to try them out ? [14:51] <thomasvs> work for me [14:51] <thomasvs> 123 plugins, 375 features [14:53] Action: sxpert_work compiled HEAD 2 days ago [14:53] tjansen_ (~tjansen@pD9E21ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gstreamer. [15:01] sxpert_ (~sxpert@APh-Aug-105-1-6-74.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:03] sxpert_ (~sxpert@APh-Aug-105-1-4-83.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #gstreamer. [15:11] erby (~sl...@ru...) joined #gstreamer. [15:12] <erby> hi. anybody know if it is safe to assume that ffdemux_mpegts is broken? cvs logs seem to imply it is. [15:21] <erby> must be my mistake, it works fine from a file but fails from a live source 8-( [15:35] <Company> erby: ask BBB when he's here [15:36] ct_ (~ct...@dr...) joined #gstreamer. [15:56] Action: ct_ is away: MPI seminar [16:07] <taaz> Company: yeah, rpms beat debs. but that's because no one with a debian box tried make clean;make install in the docs dir [16:08] Action: taaz only tried make [16:08] <taaz> before the release that is [16:09] <Company> taaz: hehe [16:09] <Company> taaz: i know that debs have more Q/A than rpms normally [16:10] <Company> taaz: but i know that rpm building is easier than building debs. We have a make rpm or something, don't we? [16:11] <xor> taaz: did you get it to work [16:11] <thomasvs> Company: no we don't [16:11] <taaz> it's not supposed to be hard to make debs ;) [16:12] <thomasvs> Company: and it's not especially easier to make rpms than debs afaik [16:12] <thomasvs> at least, not the way I do it [16:12] <taaz> it just appears we need gtk-doc-tools 1.1 [16:12] <Company> thomasvs: might be true, but pm making is better integrated into the tarball we ship [16:12] <thomasvs> Company: no it's not [16:12] <thomasvs> Company: not anymore [16:12] <taaz> i guess.. i have no idea even where gtk-doc lives. it's home page has files from 1999 [16:13] <thomasvs> Company: and if it ever was, it's because the rpm packagers synced their changes to the included spec file all the time [16:13] <thomasvs> I might make it LOOK like there's no effort involved, but after having spent a few months on writing nice autoresolving chroot'd rpm package scripts, I can assure you it did take effort :) [16:14] <xor> taaz: ano...@ft...:/mirror/gnome.org/sources/gtk-doc> [16:15] <Company> thomasvs: i did not say anything about your effort [16:15] <Company> thomasvs: i know very well that you work as hard as the deb guys [16:16] <taaz> xor: service unavailable. blah. [16:18] <xor> taaz: erm.. try using ftp.acc.umu.se [16:18] <xor> same path [16:19] <taaz> this is too much effort [16:19] <taaz> ;) [16:20] <taaz> i don't think the html/xml dirs were supposed to be included in the tarball, but since they were, i'm going to hack the debs to just not clean away the old files [16:20] <xor> do yuo guys not use make dist to make the tgz? [16:23] thomasvs (~thomas@195.95.24.3) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:35] <Company> ibooks don't have onboard graphics, right? [16:49] <taaz> oh just lovely. [16:49] <taaz> gtk-doc 1.1 won't build on debian because debian doesn't have a xml catalog yet. which may not happen in the foreseeable future [16:52] Action: taaz tries to hack it [16:52] thomasvs (~th...@19...) joined #gstreamer. [17:02] <taaz> hmm... but i can't see where it makes a difference [17:20] Action: Company didn't even get the toolchain to build on his LFS [17:20] <Company> so i'm stuck with using developer.gnome.org and www.google.com [17:21] <taaz> anyone have a clue which command creates index.sgml? [17:22] <Company> touch index.sgml :/ [17:22] <Company> no clue, but that makes "make install" work [17:22] <taaz> well duh ;) [17:27] <taaz> if (lc($OUTPUT_FORMAT) eq "xml") { [17:27] <taaz> what does that mean? [17:29] yippi (~br...@be...) joined #gstreamer. [17:53] BBB (~rb...@01...) joined #gstreamer. [18:01] tjansen_ (~tjansen@pD9E21ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) left #gstreamer. [18:05] ChrHJW_log (~cwi...@p5...) left irc: Connection timed out [18:06] vishnu (~joshua@61.11.23.199) joined #gstreamer. [18:08] Action: Company just decided to buy an ibook tomorrow so he's not the only guy without notebook at guadec [18:08] Action: Company googles for "ibook debian howto" [18:08] <BBB> I don't have a laptop either [18:10] hadley (~hadley@65.112.179.153) joined #gstreamer. [18:11] Action: vishnu has three computers and a laptop and he can use them all at the same time :-) [18:12] yippi (~br...@be...) left irc: "Client exiting" [18:15] Action: Company is envious, because he can only type with his two hands so he is limited to two computers at a time [18:15] Action: vishnu takes the help of his pet 3 toed swan [18:21] ChristianHJW (~chr...@p5...) joined #gstreamer. [18:24] chand| (user10@ARennes-204-1-9-154.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #gstreamer. [18:25] <chand|> hi [18:25] <chand|> i need some help [18:29] The_Company (~Co...@p5...) joined #gstreamer. [18:29] Company (~Lv...@p5...) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:31] Nick change: The_Company -> Company [18:33] <Company> theora is the vp3-in-ogg stuff, right? [18:34] <BBB> well, yes, but it can go in avi as well [18:35] <Company> that would require oggdec :) [18:35] <BBB> yup [18:35] <Company> s/dec/demux/ [18:36] <BBB> well, ogg or ogm? [18:36] <BBB> these are different, too [18:38] <Company> ogg [18:39] <Company> I'll only support formats that xiph (or Vakor for that matter) has signed :) [18:40] <BBB> write a demuxer ;) [18:40] <BBB> and a muxer [18:40] <BBB> and move ogg out of vorbisfile/enc [18:40] <BBB> and add metadata support to oggmux/demux [18:41] <BBB> and we'll all be happy [18:41] <BBB> :p [18:42] <Company> uh [18:42] <Company> ogg doesn't do metadata afaik [18:42] <Company> the vorbis metadata is specific to vorbis afaik [18:43] <BBB> is it? [18:43] <BBB> that sucks [18:44] <chand|> when i play ogg or mp3 audio files with gst-player, the reading is too quickly, i use oss [18:45] <chand|> with alsa an rhythmxbox, there is no problem [18:46] <Company> for the same file? [18:46] <Company> that would be a really hard thing to debug... [18:46] <erby> sorry, i am full of questions. in dvbsrc, when you change PES filters or re-tune frontend you get a new MPEG transport stream. this causes ffdemux_mpegts to cease processing. [18:46] <BBB> chand|: in the terminal, does it say something like 'failed to set settings, enjoy the noise'? [18:46] <erby> what is the best way to handle this? send DISCONT event? NEW_MEDIA event? I am not sure. [18:47] <BBB> erby: ffdemux_* is unsupported... it doesn't work, I'm working on them :) [18:47] Uraeus (~csc...@wp...) joined #gstreamer. [18:47] <BBB> if you get a new mpeg transport stream, send NEW_MEDIA [18:47] <BBB> then, ffdemux_mpegts needs to support events too [18:47] <BBB> and re-setup the demuxer [18:48] <BBB> etc. [18:48] <Uraeus> yobediyo [18:48] <chand|> BBB: couldn't set requested OSS parameters, enjoy the [18:48] <chand|> noise :) [18:48] <BBB> re-do capsnego, you know the story [18:48] <BBB> chand|: exactly ;) [18:48] <BBB> chand|: something else is using your soundcard [18:48] <BBB> hey Uraeus [18:48] <BBB> actually, NEW_MEDIA is gone [18:48] <BBB> send DISCONTINUOUS with the NEW_MEDIA flag set [18:48] <BBB> :) [18:49] <chand|> BBB : i have sound, but the reading is too quickly [18:49] <erby> okay 8-) [18:49] <BBB> chand|: that's the same [18:49] <chand|> when i use xmms with oss, the sound is ok [18:49] <BBB> chand|: imagine that your sound card was prepared for stereo [18:49] <chand|> ok i think i need to stop esd ? [18:49] <BBB> chand|: and now you have a mono file [18:49] <BBB> it means that the sound card expects interleaved data [18:49] <BBB> and your data is only single [18:49] <chand|> or I will recompile alsa driver [18:50] <BBB> which means you only send half of what it needs per time unit [18:50] <BBB> stop esd [18:50] <BBB> or use esdsink, though player won't work very well then [18:50] <BBB> but thythmbox will [18:50] <chand|> humm i dont understand all, i wiil try to stop esd [18:50] <chand|> ok i will use esdsink or go back to alsa [18:51] <chand|> i cant use esdsink, i will compile the gstreamer source, i use the rpm :) [18:51] <chand|> thx for your help [18:51] <chand|> sorry for my english [18:51] <chand|> i will check this night this problem with oss [18:52] <BBB> ok :) [18:52] thomasvs (~th...@19...) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:53] <erby> is there any other alternative to ffdemux_mpegts? mpegdemux README says transport streams are unsupported atm. [18:54] <BBB> no, but you'll have to implement event support yourself [18:54] <BBB> or ask me to do it ;) [18:54] <erby> wouldn't dream of asking... i'm sure you have enough to do [18:55] Action: BBB nods ;) [18:55] <BBB> but I can try to work on it thursday or so, or friday, maybe even tonight [18:55] <BBB> depends on when I have time [19:02] sjoerd_ (sj...@be...) joined #gstreamer. [19:06] sjoerd (sj...@be...) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:07] steveb__ (~st...@20...) joined #gstreamer. [19:09] pb_ (~pb...@ds...) left irc: "Client exiting" [19:11] vishnu (~joshua@61.11.23.199) left irc: "Client Exiting" [19:20] <BBB> is anyone good at making OO.o presentation designs? [19:20] Action: BBB just can't get anything done here [19:21] Action: taaz uses latex or magicpoint ;) [19:24] steveb_ (~st...@20...) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] Uraeus (~csc...@wp...) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:35] Uraeus (~csc...@wp...) joined #gstreamer. [19:39] <foser> newest gst + nautilus audio view refuses stops getting information after one or no songs .. [19:41] Action: ct_ is back (gone 03:44:37) [19:42] Uraeus (~csc...@wp...) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:44] <BBB> foser: first the obvious answer: did you re-run gst-register? [19:44] Action: ds-work wants a 970-based mac [19:44] <foser> hmm shouldve been run by the ebuild .. lemme check to make sure [19:47] <Company> bah, i want a cheap mac [19:47] <Company> that's quite a lot harder to do than a 970-based one :p [19:48] <foser> BBB: no difference.. note that it only see this happen with mp3's , oggs do just fine.. and it is a bit awkward, sometimes only the 1st gets info, sometimes none and sometimes all without a problem .. but nothing reproducable (unpredictable) [19:48] ChrHJW_log (~cwi...@p5...) joined #gstreamer. [19:50] md` (~ill...@ma...) joined #gstreamer. [19:57] hadley_ (~hadley@65.112.179.151) joined #gstreamer. [19:57] hadley (~hadley@65.112.179.153) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:59] thomas__ (~th...@22...) joined #gstreamer. [20:01] <thomas__> talk [20:01] <thomas__> oh, and btw [20:01] <thomas__> debian sucks [20:02] <thomas__> I've asked a simple question in [20:02] <thomas__> #debian four times over the past week [20:02] <thomas__> and nobody answers :) [20:02] Action: ds-work never goes to #debian [20:03] <ds-work> except sometimes to talk to apt [20:03] <foser> maybe debianists just don't know anything ;) [20:03] <ds-work> foser: that would be a reasonable conclusion after having visited #debian [20:05] <thomas__> heh [20:05] <Company> you could revise that by visiting slashdot ;) [20:06] <thomas__> saying that you've asked the question four times but don't get answers and wondering if you're being ignored triggers ten responses though [20:07] Nick change: sub_gone_culture -> sub_pop [20:08] <ds-work> thomas__: if you have a difficult question, you can go to #debian-devel. But lots of people will not answer because the Authoritative Source is also on the channel [20:09] <foser> and whats that ? [20:09] <Company> hm, debs don't include debugging symbols, do they? [20:11] <thomas__> ok, people tell me I might get me a new mirror [20:11] <thomas__> I'm trying to find a list of mirrors on debian.org, but not having any luck [20:11] <thomas__> where is it ? [20:11] <Company> try google [20:11] <foser> thomas__: how do i keep nautilus-audio-view from destroying itsself so i can get some debug output from it ? [20:12] <dolphy> Company: you can have -dbg packages [20:12] <dolphy> Company: which put libs in /usr/lib/debug [20:12] <thomas__> foser: you can run gdb /usr/libexec/nautilus-audio-view from a terminal [20:12] <thomas__> then start nautilus [20:12] <thomas__> then trigger the view [20:12] <dolphy> Company: changing LD_LIBRARY_PATH on programs startup make them using debug symbols enabled libs [20:13] Action: BBB has a nice template for gu4dec presentations [20:13] Action: Company will keep using LFS in the long run [20:15] <foser> thomas__: hmm ok.. the problem is directories with mp3's nautilus-audio-view only gets info from the first entry (or sometimes none) [20:16] <thomas__> foser: yeah, mad doesn't do a good job of getting metadata [20:16] <thomas__> foser: I should gard against that [20:16] <foser> cause right now it is pretty useless with mp3 dirs.. it doesn't play without the metadata [20:17] <thomas__> foser: yeah, that needs fixing [20:17] <thomas__> foser: (though you probably have broken mp3's, like mp3 in wav renamed to mp3 and so on) [20:17] <foser> hmm no.. not in this case i'm pretty certain (or all should be broken) [20:18] <foser> thomas__: and now it works.. it's completely unpredictable... [20:19] <dolphy> thomas__: 0.6.2 works fine here :) [20:19] <dolphy> thomas__: good job [20:20] <BBB> I've got a grayisch background with the Gst logo on the top right for my presentations [20:20] <BBB> is that ok? :) [20:20] <thomas__> dolphy: great :) [20:20] <thomas__> BBB: no, full colour ! [20:20] <thomas__> ah, gnome-apt is installable [20:20] <BBB> yeah, let's do it in pink! [20:22] <Company> yeah, the colors you get when YUV=>RGB is borked [20:22] <Company> this green and pink [20:22] <foser> thomas__: start audio view -> go to mp3 dir it only gets info on the first -> go to ogg dir it gets all -> go back to mp3 dir it gets all [20:26] <BBB> thomas__: is your email borked? [20:26] <BBB> thomas__: I get most of your emails at least 2 times [20:26] <BBB> mostly even more [20:26] <thomas__> BBB: no, valinux mail receiver is borked [20:26] <thomas__> BBB: I always get timeouts and undelivereds [20:26] <thomas__> btw, I'm pretty sure you only got the release notice once [20:27] <BBB> not sure [20:27] <BBB> I'm subscribed on all 3 ml's [20:27] <thomas__> heh [20:27] <BBB> so I got that one three times too ;) [20:27] <thomas__> in that case :) [20:27] <thomas__> that doesn't count :) [20:27] <thomas__> boo [20:27] <BBB> well, ok, but still [20:27] <BBB> :) [20:27] <thomas__> I'm telling you [20:27] <thomas__> valinux has completely broken mail handlers [20:27] <thomas__> probably linked to routing issues, since not everyone has it [20:35] dolphy (~do...@po...) left irc: "Network down, IP Packets delivered via UPS" [20:36] <BBB> btw, I'll update the bindings webpage tonight to tell that we've got ruby bindings and perl-bindings coming up [20:38] pb_ (~pb...@pc...) joined #gstreamer. 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[22:29] <thomas__> Uraeus: I know, you've told me [22:29] <thomas__> Uraeus: you still love us, don't you ? [22:30] <thomas__> Uraeus: you've been an awfully lot away from us [22:30] <Uraeus> thomas__: I know I needed a small break to build up energy again, work and allergy had me down for a while [22:30] <Uraeus> thomas__: but I am back now, but focusing on my themes atm :) [22:32] <BBB> any new screenshots? [22:33] Action: BBB has a nifty gu4dec presentation prepared [22:33] <Uraeus> BBB: http://www.linuxrising.com/files/darkerNewNuvola.png [22:52] Nick change: hadley__ -> hadley [23:05] dolphy (~do...@21...) joined #gstreamer. [23:09] chrisime (~chrisime@pD9E8C5CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Client exiting" [23:12] <thomas__> dolphy: can you send me a mail re: the player ? [23:12] <thomas__> dolphy: afaict, it's good for release [23:14] <dolphy> thomas__: gni ? [23:17] Zeenix (~zak@203.135.11.247) joined #gstreamer. [23:18] <Company> i need an opinion [23:18] <Company> do we want to use GST_DEBUG_ELEMENT or GST_DEBUG_OBJECT ? [23:19] <Zeenix> hi [23:19] <Company> because most of the time the output uses the name anyway, and the name is a GstObject property [23:19] <Company> hi Zeenix [23:19] <Company> this would allow to use GST_DEBUG_OBJECT with schedulers or pads [23:20] <Company> but might be confused with GObjects [23:21] BBB (~rb...@01...) left irc: "Client exiting" [23:21] <ds-work> OBJECT [23:22] <ds-work> btw, it would be nice to abstract the color stuff somewhat [23:22] <ds-work> so we could use termcap or HTML [23:22] <Company> what do you mean "abstract"? [23:22] <Company> uh [23:22] <ds-work> describe it as GST_DEBUG_COLOR_RED or something [23:23] <thomas__> object [23:23] <Company> hm [23:23] <ds-work> or, I could start using a vt102 to html converter [23:23] <thomas__> ds-work: I disagree, the categories should be the defines [23:23] <Company> i could even allow to use GObjects in DEBUG_OBJECT [23:24] <ds-work> thomas__: the colors are for defining the categories, not categories themseves [23:24] <Company> and print "%class @ %p" if it's not a GstObjects [23:24] <ds-work> as a random data point, I hardly know or notice the difference between INFO and DEBUG currently [23:25] <Company> ds-work: i don't think that's needed [23:25] <ds-work> Company: it's possible to get the type name of a GObject [23:25] <Company> ds-work: yeah, thats what i was meaning by %class [23:25] <ds-work> ah [23:26] <Company> so, should GST_DEBUG_OBJECT take a GObject or a GstObject? [23:26] heimie (~he...@su...) joined #gstreamer. [23:26] <Company> would be easier in Java, i'd just use toString :) [23:27] Action: Company decides to use GObjects [23:28] dolphy (~do...@21...) left irc: "Network down, IP Packets delivered via UPS" [23:28] <Company> and i think i'll use flags for the color [23:28] steveb__ (~st...@20...) joined #gstreamer. [23:28] <heimie> hi there. i have a little gstxml question. actually not so little ;-) [23:29] <Company> so you can do GST_DEBUG_COLOR_RED | GST_DEBUG_BACKGROUND_RED | GST_DEBUG_UNDERLINED [23:30] <heimie> xml works fine for simple pipelines containing audiostuff without dynamic/request pads but sucks when trying to use videostuff. [23:30] <heimie> viewing code leads to nothing useful. please help me [23:31] <Company> ask thomas__, he has been bitching about that stuff lately ;) [23:31] Action: Company has no clue about xml [23:34] steveb_ (~st...@20...) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:37] <Company> hrm [23:38] <thomas__> Company: I think a GObject is a good idea [23:38] <thomas__> Company: you never know, why not make it more general ? [23:38] <Company> ds-work: is it better to force people to cast the object to GObject in GST_DEBUG_OBJECT or should the macro do it for them? [23:38] <thomas__> Company: I suppose there's no way we can add a compatibility layer so apps aren't forced to chose either the one or the other ? [23:39] <Company> thomas__: where do you mean a compatibility layer? [23:39] <Company> thomas__: for chosing between old and new debugging stuff? [23:39] <thomas__> Company: between current GST_DEBUG (GST_CAT_..., "...", ...); and your new stuff [23:40] <thomas__> yeah, I wouldn't want to have to maintain two branches of all of our apps too [23:40] <ds-work> Company: imo, cast it in the macro. it's for debugging and tracing, not for real code [23:40] <Company> thomas__: should be doable, but not really useful [23:40] <Company> thomas__: do apps really use GST_DEBUG? [23:40] <Company> ds-work: good, i'll do that [23:41] <ds-work> Company: it would be useful for those of us that have plugin collections that work with both 0.6 and 0.7 [23:41] <Company> hm, right [23:42] <Company> you'll have to do #define GST_DEBUG_USE_DEPRECATED or something though [23:42] <taaz> could claim the new system is for logging and call it GST_LOG GST_CAT_LOG [23:43] <Company> taaz: huh? [23:43] <ds-work> Company: we already have GST_DISABLE_DEPRECATED [23:43] <taaz> so the old macros stay the same [23:43] <taaz> ie, are portable to 0.6. [23:44] <Company> taaz: i added a GST_LOG call... [23:44] <ds-work> taaz: but then nobody would convert :) [23:44] <Company> s/call/macro [23:44] Uraeus (~cschalle@80.111.66.106) left irc: "Client exiting" [23:44] <Company> i'll force everybody to use GST_DEBUG_USE_DEPRECATED [23:44] <taaz> ds-work: yeah. backwards compat is a bitch. [23:45] <Company> or do we define DISABLE_DEPRECATED everywhere? [23:45] <ds-work> taaz: I'd prefer to do it the other way -- use the new system, and have macros to convert it to the 0.6 system [23:45] <Company> that sucks, too [23:45] <taaz> ds-work: yeah, that's better. [23:45] <Company> i want people to stop using only DEBUG and INFO [23:45] <Company> but i'll do it this way [23:46] Uraeus (~cschalle@80.111.66.106) joined #gstreamer. [23:46] <Company> should be 6 lines at the end of the file [23:46] <Company> #ifdef GST_DEBUG_USE_DEPRECATED [23:46] <Company> #undef GST_DEBUG [23:46] <Company> #define GST_DEBUG GST_CAT_DEBUG [23:46] <Company> #undef GST_INFO [23:47] <Company> -define GST_INFO GST_CAT_INFO [23:47] <Company> #endif [23:47] <Company> s/-/#/ [23:47] <Company> and that should work [23:48] <Company> hm no, it needs to be more sophisticated, because GST_DEBUG (0, ...) needs some help [23:48] <Company> urgh [23:49] dolphy (~do...@21...) joined #gstreamer. [23:49] <Company> categories are private to the core now, so i have to do evil tricks, but it'll work [23:51] smoke_ (sm...@ch...) joined #gstreamer. [23:52] smoke_ (sm...@ch...) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:53] <Company> GST_DEBUG_OBJECT or GST_DEBUG_OBJ ? [23:53] <Company> are we lazy? [23:53] <taaz> OBJECT [23:54] <ds-work> not _that_ lazy [23:54] heimie (~he...@su...) left irc: [23:54] <Zeenix> Uraeus: try compiling your cam. drivers plz [23:56] <taaz> isn't GST instead of GSTREAMER laziness enough? ;) [23:57] <ds-work> *** warning: g_ds_question_answer() returned FALSE [23:58] <taaz> ds-work: want to help me out a little bit? ;) [23:58] <Company> uh, GSTREAMER instead of GST would suck badly :) [23:59] dolphy (~do...@21...) left irc: "Network down, IP Packets delivered via UPS" [23:59] <Company> GSTREAMER_LEMENT_NAME (GSTREAMER_ELEMENT (GSTREAMER_OBJECT_PARENT (GSTREAMER_OBJECT (pad)))) [23:59] <Company> no thanks :) [00:00] --- Wed Jun 11 2003 [00:00] <Uraeus> http://www.gnome.org/~uraeus/ <- latest set of gnome-themes-extras screenshots [00:00] <ds-work> taaz: define "a little" [00:01] <ds-work> taaz: can I justify the work by claiming I have to backport the debian packages for woody locally? [00:01] <taaz> ds-work: i can't build the 0.6.2 docs. i don't quite know why yet. [00:01] <taaz> yeah, it's related to making the debs build ;) [00:02] <taaz> docs/libs/ creates an html/index.sgml file but docs/gst/ does not. which causes make install to fail [00:03] <erby> i like lush best 8-) [00:03] Action: Company likes Lush [00:04] <Uraeus> :) [00:05] <Company> Uraeus: aqua clones are not encouraged by gnome, right? [00:05] <Uraeus> Company: not if they get us sued by apple, no :) [00:06] <Company> Uraeus: it's freshmeat stuff, so i've got no idea [00:06] <Company> Uraeus: but Gtk2 AquaX + AquaOS for metacity + Noia icons looks nice [00:07] <Uraeus> Company: bah, Noia are pixmap icons :) [00:07] <Company> Uraeus: convert them :p [00:08] Zeenix (~zak@203.135.11.247) got netsplit. [00:08] ChristianHJW (~chr...@p5...) got netsplit. [00:08] ds-work (ds...@co...) got netsplit. [00:08] sxpert_work (~sx...@fa...) got netsplit. [00:08] dilinger (ir...@sl...) got netsplit. 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[00:09] chand| (user10@ARennes-204-1-9-154.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Client exiting" [00:09] <Company> thomas__: i explained when to use what category in a bit more detail in the gstinfo.h code i sent to -devel [00:10] <Zeenix> Uraeus: lush and nuvola are really cool but the others are good too [00:10] <Company> thomas__: i know exactly when i want to use _DEBUG or _INFO, but it's a bit hard to explain [00:10] <Company> thomas__: most of the time people should use _LOG though [00:10] <taaz> why are the doc xml files called *.sgml still? [00:11] <Company> taaz: because you didn't pressure people enough to fix it :) [00:11] <taaz> i was just wondering if there was a reason... [00:11] <thomas__> there's nothing to fix, it works like that and glib and gtk do the same [00:11] <Zeenix> Uraeus: ping?? [00:12] <thomas__> Company: yeah, but it still feels arbitrary. [00:12] <thomas__> Company: don't know if actually in practice replacing DEBUG and INFO with LOG helps the situation [00:12] <xor> hi [00:12] <Company> thomas__: i'm going to fix it in quite a few places [00:13] <Company> thomas__: but i feel that it could greatly improve debugging by using some more categories [00:13] <Uraeus> Zeenix: I am here, but going to bed now [00:13] <thomas__> Company: hehe :-) further reason to make sure we have some sort of compatibility layer between the two - merging back patches is hard enough as it is currently [00:14] Action: xor subscribes to gst-devel [00:14] <Company> thomas__: merging back will get harder and harder anyway [00:14] <taaz> ds-work: ok, i think i figured it out [00:14] <Uraeus> night [00:14] <Zeenix> Uraeus: np, just wanted to know if you are still alive :) [00:14] <Zeenix> gnight [00:15] Uraeus (~cschalle@80.111.66.106) left irc: "Client exiting" [00:15] <thomas__> Company: right, so there's good reason no to make it excessively hard, no ? [00:15] <Company> thomas__: we should rename the .pc files to -0.8.pc btw [00:15] <thomas__> why ? [00:15] <taaz> ds-work: i forgot to change the dtd in the new xmlified docs from url to local file. apparently that's enough for it to almost work but not gen 1 file. [00:16] <Company> thomas__: because they should be named like in the next stable release, no? [00:16] <thomas__> I don't think so [00:16] <thomas__> we should only do that atm we feel we are there API-wise [00:16] <thomas__> we haven't even released anything in 0.7 yet [00:16] <Company> glib-1.3 files were named glib-2.0.pc, too [00:17] <thomas__> glib has a much stricter API/ABI requirement [00:17] <thomas__> I don't want people to depend on gstreamer-0.8 and then complain later on when we change stuff [00:17] Action: taaz agrees with thomas__ [00:17] <Company> a good reason [00:17] Action: Company agrees, too [00:17] <thomas__> which reminds me [00:17] <thomas__> we do need some sort of roadmap [00:17] <thomas__> no one even has *started* on the interactivity stuff :-) [00:18] <ds-work> heh [00:18] <thomas__> IMO, we can't do a 0.8.0 without that [00:18] Action: ds-work hides [00:18] Action: thomas__ hunts down ds-work [00:18] <ds-work> work on a roadmap at guadec [00:18] <Company> thomas__: another question: i think we need parts of config.h in an installable location (gstconfig.h probably) [00:18] <thomas__> Company: if we can't avoid that, we probably should do like glib does [00:18] <thomas__> /usr/lib/glib-2.0/glibconfig.h I think they have [00:18] <thomas__> but are you sure we need it ? [00:18] <Company> thomas__: any good way to do that with autotools? [00:18] <ds-work> btw, we should come up with a list of things to discuss while you're there [00:18] <thomas__> (/me never understood that part) [00:18] <thomas__> Company: which bit ? [00:18] <thomas__> ds-work: yeah, that would help tremendously [00:19] <thomas__> ds-work: it's one of the things that stifled actual work getting done in oslo [00:19] <thomas__> ds-work: so please, send a mail to the list and get us going [00:19] <Company> thomas__: subsystem disablings (like --disable-parse) needs to be set [00:19] pb_ (~pb...@pc...) left irc: "Client exiting" [00:20] <thomas__> Company: I'm not following, what are you asking me exactly ? [00:20] <xor> do you guys pay your own way to gaudec? [00:20] <Company> thomas__: if you do --disable-parse in configure [00:21] <Company> xor: yes [00:21] <xor> wish i could attend it :) [00:21] <Company> thomas__: a value gets defined in config.h which changes behaviour of public headers [00:21] <thomas__> Company: yes, but what is the other end of the question ? :) [00:21] <xor> maybe next year or somethin [00:21] <xor> Company: cant depend on other headers for it, like the glib ones? [00:21] <Company> thomas__: this value that gets defined needs to be preserved for stuff using GStreamer [00:22] <thomas__> Company: ah, hm [00:22] <thomas__> Company: and you're asking if this can be done with autotools ? [00:22] <Company> thomas__: so it should not be put in config.h, but in gstconfig.h or something [00:22] <thomas__> ok [00:22] <Company> thomas__: yes, if you know a way [00:22] <thomas__> yeah, of course it can be done [00:22] <thomas__> right now i'd say make gst-config.h.in [00:23] <thomas__> but if you give me some time for it, I can look at glib and just conform to their stuff [00:23] <ds-work> I'd like to understand why it's installed in /usr/lib [00:24] <thomas__> I suppose people feel it's part of the library interface they support ? :) [00:24] <taaz> why does everyone keep saying no one has worked on interactivity? vdv does it just fine. (definition of 'fine' is debatable though) [00:24] <thomas__> I don't know, there probably is a good reason for it [00:24] <thomas__> taaz: exactly :) [00:24] <thomas__> taaz: the point there is 'fine' [00:24] <thomas__> taaz: so, how about those python bindings ? [00:24] <Company> the point actually is GStreamer [00:24] <thomas__> taaz: I want to package them tomorrow [00:24] <ds-work> thomas__: file a bug, assign it to me [00:24] <Company> GStreamer != vdv ;) [00:24] <thomas__> ds-work: which bit ? [00:24] hadley (~hadley@65.112.179.143) left irc: No route to host [00:25] <ds-work> thomas__: interactivity [00:25] <thomas__> ds-work: what, without any further info ? :) [00:25] <taaz> thomas__: have you looked at the sorry excuse for a .spec file i wrote? ;) [00:25] <ds-work> "I want my interactivity", a la Dire Straits [00:25] <thomas__> taaz: yes, and I have every attention of trashing it completely [00:25] <taaz> thomas__: good [00:25] <thomas__> ds-work: I'll file tomorrow, I forgot my regular laptop today [00:26] <thomas__> time for bed for me [00:26] Nick change: thomas__ -> thomasvz [00:26] <taaz> thomasvz: don't forget to try and remember to maybe think about using the ChangeLog in gst-python ;) [00:26] hadley (~hadley@65.112.179.135) joined #gstreamer. [00:27] <taaz> ok, docs building... should be able to build debs now [00:28] <thomasvz> taaz: heh, I'll remember trying to maybe figure out what it is that you might have said and how that possibly relates to what it might be you could wish to have me do when I wake up in the morning [00:28] Zeenix (~zak@203.135.11.247) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:30] <ds-work> taaz: have you released gst-python yet? [00:31] <thomasvz> so, silly question [00:31] <thomasvz> I have this crap apple powerpc without pipe or braces [00:31] <thomasvz> how do I somehow tell X that alt-& is to mean pipe ? [00:31] <thomasvz> where do I start ? [00:33] <xor> man xmodmap :> [00:33] <taaz> ds-work: nope. tomorrow apparently. [00:33] <taaz> ds-work: are you trying to get gst-sci out first? ;) [00:34] <ds-work> taaz: probably not [00:34] <ds-work> taaz: unless someone wants to talk about it at guadec (hint hint) [00:36] <xor> sci? [00:36] <xor> gst-science!? :) [00:37] Action: xor would like to teleport stuff with gst plugins [00:37] <taaz> ds-work: i hear thomasvz wants to do a gst-python app that uses gst-sci plugins to process dvd output and send it over udp to a videowhale setup. yeah yeah. [00:37] <ds-work> heh [00:37] smoke (sm...@ch...) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:38] <ds-work> get 4 laptops together [00:38] <xor> GStreamer Science Plug-ins !! [00:38] <xor> woa, what the hell are they? [00:39] Action: ds-work sees that xor knows how to use google [00:39] Action: xor genius :P [00:39] <xor> tho i dont get what they are for :\ but they sound really cool [00:40] <ds-work> for scientific applications where you need to stream data [00:41] <xor> would the src/gstplugin.[ch] just be copied from the main gst/gst-plugins distribution? [00:42] ChristianHJW (~chr...@p5...) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:42] <ds-work> probably from gst-template/gst-plugin [00:42] <ds-work> it's not disted, though [00:43] <xor> ah [00:43] <taaz> ds-work: whoa, 4 laptops... that would totally kick ass for a demo [00:43] <taaz> thomasvz: make it so! [00:44] <ds-work> ask for volunteers from the audience [00:45] <ds-work> with wireless [00:45] <ds-work> and gstreamer [00:45] <ds-work> and a projector [00:46] erby (~sl...@ru...) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4" [00:49] <keturn> gst-python is alive? I'm glad to hear that -- I was a little bit worried when I went to the web page and it had some changelog stuff posted but none of it was from this year. [00:50] <ds-work> most of the GStreamer stuff doesn't use the toplevel Changelog [00:51] <taaz> keturn: it's too stable to need updating ;) [00:51] <taaz> keturn: which isn't too far from the truth.. it's autogenerating most everything from headers. so if 0.6 api stays the same then it should 'just work' [00:55] <hadley> who takes care of the gstreamer-plugin spec files? I have a question about it. [00:57] Action: taaz <- guilty of creating debian build horror [00:58] <taaz> stupid xml catalog crap. gtkdoc-mkdb is spitting out wrong dtd. need to hack makefiles now... grr. [00:58] <hadley> deb is probably better than the rpm specs. [00:59] <hadley> but just curious, does deb files look for the mad-devel or mad-libs-devel? 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