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Re: [Gramps-users] Filtering names
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From: b4m <bes...@go...> - 2012-04-24 15:28:24
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Thanks for updating the Wiki with the regular expressions info., Doug. That will be a great help, I'm sure. On 24 April 2012 17:20, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:33 AM, b4m <bes...@go...> wrote: > > Is there a list anywhere of the regular expressions which can be used in > the > > filter? > > I couldn't find anything to document the regular expression use in > Gramps, so I added it to: > > > http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gramps_3.4_Wiki_Manual_-_Filters > > There is a lot to Regular Expressions, which is why no one (that I > see) has added it to the Gramps wiki. But we really need to, because > it is so powerful and not easy. > > Perhaps more people can add to the Examples there. In fact, if you > would like to add a pattern that you would like to use, perhaps > someone can show you how in the examples. > > -Doug > > > Thanks. > > > > On 24 April 2012 15:22, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Doug, > >> > >> Many thanks for this; a very useful summary and explanation. I hope it > >> could be incorporated into the documentation. > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> On 24 April 2012 12:56, Doug Blank <dou...@gm...> wrote: > >> > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: > >> >> Dear Jeff, > >> >> > >> >> Thanks for this. I can see how your method would work, but it seems > >> >> like an extraordinarily complex way of doing one of the very simplest > >> >> things one might want to do with a filter: find people with a > >> >> particular name! (I find I hard to believe that GRAMPS has been in > >> >> development for so long and that there is not a simpler way of doing > >> >> this. There is, after all, already a filter field called "Name" -- > >> >> it's just that it seems designed to filter on surname or forename but > >> >> not both.) > >> >> > >> >> Can anyone else jump in with suggestions, or explain why this is not > >> >> something that has come up before as a requested feature? > >> > > >> > The search functionality is a little confusing, and we want to clean > >> > that up at some point. But you can easily do what you want. > >> > > >> > First, there are two different mechanisms for searching: the top bar > >> > Search and the side/bottom bar Filter. The top bar Search only appears > >> > when the entire sidebar is closed. You can close/open the > >> > Sidebar/bottombar through menu -> View. > >> > > >> > Search and Filter work completely differently and it is useful to > >> > understand these differences: > >> > > >> > Search - the top bar search looks through the database as it appears > >> > in the rows and columns on the screen. For example, if you have the > >> > Name Display in Preferences set to show "Surname, Given" then you can > >> > match names as you originally tried with "Smith, J" and all of those > >> > rows will match. But if you change the way that names are displayed > >> > (in Preferences) then you will match that. The Search functionality > >> > is probably the one you want to use most of the time, as it is most > >> > straightforward, but has some limitations (see below). > >> > > >> > Filter - the side/bottom bar Filters use a more complex system. It is > >> > not limited to what you see on the screen, but looks at the actual > >> > data. The name search will try to match on any single name part > >> > (given, surname, prefix, etc) of all names but appears to only match > >> > one---you can't match part of given and part of surname as you were > >> > first attempting. You can match surname, but not surname and given in > >> > the same name. (If you Filter on "John", you will get matches of > >> > people with firstname "John" but also those with surname "Johnson". > >> > You just can't filter on combinations of first and lastnames, as you > >> > were attempting). > >> > > >> > Some additional points: > >> > > >> > * The Filter will search alternative names too; Search only looks in > >> > the primary name (the one showing). That is why if you do a Filter on > >> > "Smith" you might see people listed that don't appear to match. But if > >> > you edit that person's details, you might see that they have an > >> > alternate name containing "smith". > >> > > >> > * You can open a bottom bar filter with top bar search, but that seems > >> > buggy; best to use filters only in the sidebar. > >> > > >> > * The Filter allows "regular expressions". So you can find all of the > >> > names that start with "B" and end in "ship": "B*ship". You can't do > >> > that with the top bar Search. > >> > > >> > * The Search will only match what is visible. If a name or text is too > >> > big to see in listing below topbar, then you won't find it. This is > >> > something to keep in mind when Searching through Notes. Best to use > >> > Filter for notes and other long text fields. > >> > > >> > Hope this helps! And I hope that we can integrate these two different > >> > systems into one that can do it all. > >> > > >> > -Doug > >> > > >> >> Cheers, > >> >> > >> >> Peter > >> >> > >> >> On 22 April 2012 06:25, Jeff Hunt <jef...@gm...> wrote: > >> >>> Hi Peter, I rushed in without checking what you had done. After > >> >>> consulting the wife who uses Gramps a lot we came up with:--- > >> >>> > >> >>> Go to the filter screen as you have been doing. Select Custom > Filter - > >> >>> by clicking on the pencil - then create a rule from the rule list. > >> >>> Give the filter a name. Go to general filters by clicking on the + > and > >> >>> scroll down. We selected 'People with the <Name>' and then filled in > >> >>> the value for given name and family name in the appropriate text > >> >>> boxes. > >> >>> > >> >>> Then return to ordinary filter and select the named custom filter > and > >> >>> find. > >> >>> > >> >>> If this is not clear you can ask again privately. > >> >>> > >> >>> -J > >> >>> > >> >>> On 21/04/2012, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: > >> >>>> Unless I have misunderstood something fundamental, what Jeff seems > to > >> >>>> be describing is what I am already doing. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Can anything think what I might be doing wrong? Of the various > >> >>>> search > >> >>>> phrases I mentioned, which should work? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I am using fairly old hardware running Ubuntu 11.04, Gnome 2.32.1, > >> >>>> and > >> >>>> GRAMPS 3.3.1-1. Would it help if I post some screenshots? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thanks in advance ... > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On 20 April 2012 22:31, Jeff Hunt <jef...@gm...> wrote: > >> >>>>> From memory so beware but the trick is to make sure you are on > the > >> >>>>> People > >> >>>>> tab. > >> >>>>> Then the search box on the right should work. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On 21/04/2012, Peter Kidd <pj...@gm...> wrote: > >> >>>>>> I'm probably being dumb, but I can't find the answer to this. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> When displaying the 'People' category I can use the 'Name' field > to > >> >>>>>> filter the people displayed either by entering "John" to get all > >> >>>>>> the > >> >>>>>> people called John, or by entering "Smith" to get all the people > >> >>>>>> called Smith, but it seems that I cannot enter "John Smith", > "Smith > >> >>>>>> John", Smith, John", "Smith, J", or any other permutation to get > >> >>>>>> all > >> >>>>>> the people called John Smith. Surely there must be a way to > filter > >> >>>>>> on > >> >>>>>> forename+surname, but I have not found it. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Help would be appreciated! > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Cheers, > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Peter > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >>>>>> For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. > >> >>>>>> Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. > >> >>>>>> Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. 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