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From: Don A. <dal...@us...> - 2004-04-25 21:53:48
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Currently, when we make a release of GRAMPS, we send a message to the mailing lists, post an announcement on freshmeat.net, and send an announcement to gnomedesktop.org. Lately, however, I've been wondering if this is the right thing to do. freshmeat gets so many announcements that I think we get lost in the crowd. gnomedesktop might been the wrong audience. While GRAMPS is a GNOME application, we have gone from getting our own release announcement to being buried into a "Bag of software" announcement several days later. I think the gnomedesktop audience is geared more towards development tools, IRC, graphics and multimedia. A genealogy program doesn't seem to fit in. Is there a better place to make release announcements where we can hit the right audience? How did you hear about GRAMPS? Don -- Don Allingham <dal...@us...> GRAMPS Open Source Genealogy |
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From: Michael L. <mic...@ca...> - 2004-04-26 00:04:36
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On Monday 26 April 2004 07:53, Don Allingham wrote: > Is there a better place to make release announcements where we can hit > the right audience? > What about specific genealogy sites? Rootsweb issues a "Rootsweb Review"= =20 every month which gets emailed to me. They may allow announcements for f= ree=20 software (they do have commercial ads.) Unfortunately, there are so many genealogy mailing lists (hundreds of the= m on=20 Rootsweb) and newsgroups that I don't think it would be feasible to get=20 permission to post on them (the mailing lists I subscribe to don't genera= lly=20 allow off topic announcements.) It may be feasible to select some of the= m=20 and ask the list "Mum" if you can post. > How did you hear about GRAMPS? > I went looking for something for Linux. I can't remember where I found i= t,=20 but it was in some list of Linux software somewhere on the net. --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D Michael Lightfoot mic...@ca... http://www.tip.net.au/~michal =3D=3D=3D=3D |
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From: Bret B. <br...@bu...> - 2004-04-28 00:06:44
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Michael Lightfoot wrote: > > On Monday 26 April 2004 07:53, Don Allingham wrote: > > Is there a better place to make release announcements where we can hit > > the right audience? > > > What about specific genealogy sites? Rootsweb issues a "Rootsweb Review" > every month which gets emailed to me. They may allow announcements for free > software (they do have commercial ads.) > > Unfortunately, there are so many genealogy mailing lists (hundreds of them on > Rootsweb) and newsgroups that I don't think it would be feasible to get > permission to post on them (the mailing lists I subscribe to don't generally > allow off topic announcements.) It may be feasible to select some of them > and ask the list "Mum" if you can post. It should be remembered that (and, for those who aren't aware already), a rootsweb mailing list, LINUX-GENEALOGY, exists, for discussions about genealogy software for Linux, which would be an appropriate place for posting release announcements, and I as the list administrator for that list, would have no problem with GRAMPS release announcements being posted to that list. The web page for that mailing list, can be found in going to the rootsweb mailing lists web site (http://lists.rootsweb.com) then to Other, then to Software. The particular list web page, is at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/LINUX-GENEALOGY.html . > > > How did you hear about GRAMPS? > > > I went looking for something for Linux. I can't remember where I found it, > but it was in some list of Linux software somewhere on the net. > > I searched using google, for the words "linux" and "genealogy". I note that I have also got GRAMPS included in the NZ Society of Genealogists Computing Special Interest Group web page that lists different software applications. Perhaps, likewise, finding different genealogical societies, and getting the GRAMPS web site link included in any web pages that they have, that relate to genealogical software, and, a brief statement (like the description included in another posting in this thread), describing GRAMPS, and with the URL for the GRAMPS web site, included in the different genealogical society periodical magazines, would also raise awareness, and, likewise, asking the different genealogical societies to publish a brief statement in their periodical magazines, advising of (major) release announcements, would both alert current users to the releases, and, make new members of the societies, aware of the existence of GRAMPS, if they are not already aware of the existence of GRAMPS. Also, in such statements advising of the existence of GRAMPS, and, in the release announcements, including advice of the existence of the mailing lists as means of obtaining free support, and, with the URL for the web page that lists the GRAMPS mailing lists, would add to the incentive to switch to GRAMPS. Perhaps, that could be a role for a particular GRAMPS project volunteer person - "marketing"? The PostgreSQL organisation has one of its mailing lists, dedicated to advocacy, for (I believe) a kind of similar purpose - discussion of how to get more people both aware of the product, and, of how to get more people using the product. Perhaps, a similar mailing list for GRAMPS, could be established? I note that, on the sourceforge web pages, the information about both GRAMPS itself, and the latest releases, does not include Linux distribution version numbers, for the system requirements. As an example, on the web page at http://gramps.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SystemRequirements , reference is made in the paragraph under the Requirements heading, that "GRAMPS requires python 2.2 and the gnome-python and pygtk2 packages (should the names of those last two packages, be in a smaller font?). The gnome and pygtk2 packages should be versions 1.99.14 or greater. Versions 2.0.0 or higher are recommended." I suggest that it would be made simpler and clearer, if, under that heading, was also included something like Linux Distribution version numbers/names required for currently available versions of GRAMPS: Distribution: Version number/name required Debian Testing (?) - (Sarge) (or, Unstable - Sid, if required) Red Hat 9.0 (if that is the appropriate version number) Fedora version number Suse version number Mandrake version number etc with that being updated as the system requirements change for the current release(s) of GRAMPS. This is because, as was previously mentioned on the list, GRAMPS was wanted to be able to be used by people without low-level knowledge of Linux and of applications/utilities that run on Linux, and, for example, I could not tell you what versions of the three named packages above, I have running on my system, or, how to find the version numbers of those packages, but, I can tell you the Linux distribution and version number. And, if someone with a limited knowledge of Linux, obtained a copy of Linux (eg, Debian Woody, as the latest stable version of Debian Linux, or Red Hat 7.3), to run GRAMPS, they would be sorely disappointed, if, after having installed the operating system, they found that they could not instal and run GRAMPS on it, as the available versions of GRAMPS, require later versions of the operating system. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 .................................................... |
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From: Don A. <dal...@us...> - 2004-04-28 00:58:52
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On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 18:22, Bret Busby wrote: > It should be remembered that (and, for those who aren't aware already), > a rootsweb mailing list, LINUX-GENEALOGY, exists, for discussions > about genealogy software for Linux, which would be an appropriate place > for posting release announcements, and I as the list administrator for > that list, would have no problem with GRAMPS release announcements being > posted to that list. I've been reluctant to do this - I didn't want to be seen as spamming a mailing list. If it is okay to do this, I'll start posting release announcements there. > I suggest that it would be made simpler and clearer, if, under that > heading, was also included something like > Linux Distribution version numbers/names required for currently > available versions of GRAMPS: > Distribution: Version number/name required > Debian Testing (?) - (Sarge) (or, Unstable - Sid, if > required) > Red Hat 9.0 (if that is the appropriate version number) > Fedora version number > Suse version number > Mandrake version number > etc > > with that being updated as the system requirements change for the > current release(s) of GRAMPS. Good idea. It would be nice to have a single place for this information. It should probably be a wiki page as well, to allow those who have solved the problem for one distribution to post their information. Currently, I only have RedHat 9, Fedora Core 2, Mandrake 9.2, and FreeBSD. This is only a fraction of the available systems. We want to make it as easy as possible for Aunt Martha to get things up and running. Unfortunately, Debian is currently the only system where we appear to come "out of the box", thanks to the efforts of James Treacy and the fact that if you use Debian, you use apt. Don -- Don Allingham <dal...@us...> GRAMPS - Open Source Genealogy |
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From: Alex R. <sh...@al...> - 2004-04-28 03:44:18
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 06:57:21PM -0600, Don Allingham wrote: > On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 18:22, Bret Busby wrote: >=20 > > I suggest that it would be made simpler and clearer, if, under that=20 > > heading, was also included something like > > Linux Distribution version numbers/names required for currently=20 > > available versions of GRAMPS: > > Distribution: Version number/name required > > Debian Testing (?) - (Sarge) (or, Unstable - Sid, if=20 > > required) > > Red Hat 9.0 (if that is the appropriate version number) > > Fedora version number > > Suse version number > > Mandrake version number > > etc > >=20 > > with that being updated as the system requirements change for the=20 > > current release(s) of GRAMPS. >=20 > Good idea. It would be nice to have a single place for this information. I added a tiny bit to the Debian section of the SystemRequirements page,=20 linking to testing and unstable pages for gramps. If there's a need for a separate page, we can also include this vendor/version information there. Alternatively, we can develop each section (RH, Fedora, Suse, Mandrake, etc) with distro versions and tricks specific to each one. Alex --=20 Alexander Roitman http://ebner.neuroscience.umn.edu/people/alex.html Dept. of Neuroscience, Lions Research Building 2001 6th Street SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 Tel (612) 625-7566 FAX (612) 626-9201 |
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From: Sonia <zoo...@ea...> - 2004-06-16 22:51:38
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As a rootsweb list "mum" for 3 lists, I wouldn't mind a posting for GRAMPS release announcements. My lists are: NA...@ro... SOW...@ro... VAH...@ro... I put a link to GRAMPS also on my site at http://www.naturesync.com/~zoomastr/html/Linux.html I'll try and spice it up a little.. I seem to get quite a few hits on my Linux site so maybe I can help a little :-) Sonia Kinback home page is: http://www.naturesync.com/~zoomastr |
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From: Leonid M. <le...@le...> - 2004-04-26 09:57:30
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* Don Allingham <dal...@us...> [25-Apr-2004 15:53]: > How did you hear about GRAMPS? I was looking through Freshmeat annoucements and so GRAMPS. I've been planning to create my family tree for some time than, so I thought it was my lucky chance. And indeed it was. :) On the other hand, I know only of a few people that are looking through the announcements. Most of them use search on Freshmeat. Here are some results I've just got: "genealogy" => 1st page, 8th place. "gedcom" => not there. "family tree" => not there. "family" => not there. I think that if you change project description for GRAMPS to match the above queries, there'll be way more hits. The rest of us can go Freshmeat and increase the project's rating. :) -- Leonid Mamchenkov. http://mamchenkov.net |
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From: Steve H. <dig...@mi...> - 2004-04-26 13:11:23
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From: Leonid Mamchenkov, Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:57:08 +0300 > * Don Allingham [25-Apr-2004 15:53]: > > > > How did you hear about GRAMPS? > > I was looking through Freshmeat annoucements and so GRAMPS. I've > been planning to create my family tree for some time than, so I > thought it was my lucky chance. And indeed it was. :) > > On the other hand, I know only of a few people that are looking > through the announcements. Most of them use search on Freshmeat. > Here are some results I've just got: > > "genealogy" => 1st page, 8th place. > "gedcom" => not there. > "family tree" => not there. > "family" => not there. > > I think that if you change project description for GRAMPS to match > the above queries, there'll be way more hits. The rest of us can go > Freshmeat and increase the project's rating. :) The ideal place to do this is on the GRAMPS home page. Currently, the title is just "gramps", but how about something like "GRAMPS: Free Genealogy and Family Tree Software"? I sometimes throw in "for Linux" on my own projects, but that might be a bit limiting for the GRAMPS target. -- Steve Hall [ dig...@mi... ] |
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From: Don A. <don...@co...> - 2004-04-26 14:59:31
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Steve and Leonid,
Thanks for the comments. I've updated the FreshMeat description. The
original description was pretty lame, referring to GRAMPS as a GTK/GNOME
application written in Python.
Now, why in the world would the average user care about that?
The new description has text similar to what Steve mentioned.
GRAMPS is a Open Source genealogy program for Linux and FreeBSD. It
helps you organize your family tree, and is capable of transferring
data with other programs using the GEDCOM standard.
Steve, if you could change the title on the web page to your suggestion,
I would appreciate it.
Thanks.
Don
Steve Hall wrote:
>From: Leonid Mamchenkov, Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:57:08 +0300
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>>* Don Allingham [25-Apr-2004 15:53]:
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>>>How did you hear about GRAMPS?
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>>I was looking through Freshmeat annoucements and so GRAMPS. I've
>>been planning to create my family tree for some time than, so I
>>thought it was my lucky chance. And indeed it was. :)
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>>On the other hand, I know only of a few people that are looking
>>through the announcements. Most of them use search on Freshmeat.
>>Here are some results I've just got:
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>>"genealogy" => 1st page, 8th place.
>>"gedcom" => not there.
>>"family tree" => not there.
>>"family" => not there.
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>>I think that if you change project description for GRAMPS to match
>>the above queries, there'll be way more hits. The rest of us can go
>>Freshmeat and increase the project's rating. :)
>>
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>The ideal place to do this is on the GRAMPS home page. Currently, the
>title is just "gramps", but how about something like "GRAMPS: Free
>Genealogy and Family Tree Software"? I sometimes throw in "for Linux"
>on my own projects, but that might be a bit limiting for the GRAMPS
>target.
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>
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From: Alex R. <sh...@al...> - 2004-04-26 15:11:11
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Don, On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 09:58, Don Allingham wrote: > GRAMPS is a Open Source genealogy program for Linux and FreeBSD. It > helps you organize your family tree, and is capable of transferring > data with other programs using the GEDCOM standard. A couple of minor suggestions: 1. Shouldn't it be "an Open Source" instead of "a Open Source"? 2. How about "exchanging data with other programs"? Alex --=20 Alexander Roitman http://ebner.neuroscience.umn.edu/people/alex.html Dept. of Neuroscience, Lions Research Building 2001 6th Street SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 Tel (612) 625-7566 FAX (612) 626-9201 |
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From: Graeme N. <gni...@tp...> - 2004-05-03 01:35:27
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On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 07:53, Don Allingham wrote: <snip> > How did you hear about GRAMPS? It was listed amongst a large list of Genealogy software handed out at a seminar given by the Dead Persons Society here in Australia. The software was indexed by OS. Gramps was the only one listed for Linux. -- Kind regards, Graeme Nichols ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - IMPORTANT. - - The contents of this email and any attachments, which may be con- - - fidential, are sent for the personal attention of the addressee/s - - only. If you receive this email and are not the intended addressee - - please inform the sender and delete this email immediately. Use, - - copying, disclosure or forwarding of the contents of this email - - and/or any attachment/s is not authourised. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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