From: Billie W. <bil...@sw...> - 2012-09-09 23:57:09
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Normally I don't say much when I decide to leave a list. In this instance I wanted to tell why I'm leaving. It speak to one of the main issues that come up on the list. I tried Gramps for a long time. It just doesn't work as I need my genealogy database program to work. I'm not saying that Gramps is a bad program. Point of fact, it is probably way more program that I actually need. The issue is that it just doesn't work "for" me. I "need/want" to have one database that is shared over several machines [ Desktop, laptop, netbooks, etc. ] I have my database in Dropbox and can make changes on any machine and they are immediately on my other machines. This is very problematical to do with Gramps. To my thinking this is the biggest downfall of Gramps. If users had one computer and did their research at the library on pencil and paper, came home and entered everything into their database, Gramps is terrific. The thing is, todays world is increasingly a mobil world. We have smart phones, tablets, netbooks, laptops, all sorts of stuff. We go to the library with our laptop/tablet/netbook [ pick your poison ]. Why come home and have to re-enter everything. Enter it on your portable device and it is updated on all your machines. As just a matter of information, I've gone back to my old Windows genealogy program running under Wine, PAF 5.0. Thank you to the developers for a great program [ Gramps ]. If they can make the database portable it would be perfect. I will be unsubscribing from the list very shortly. Thank you all for a great experience. -- A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to ‘The United States of America’ for any amount, up to and including their life. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ |
From: Martin S. <mar...@ma...> - 2012-09-10 02:29:16
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On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 06:44:12PM -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: >need. The issue is that it just doesn't work "for" me. I "need/want" to >have one database that is shared over several machines [ Desktop, >laptop, netbooks, etc. ] I have my database in Dropbox and can make >changes on any machine and they are immediately on my other machines. >This is very problematical to do with Gramps. To my thinking this is the >biggest downfall of Gramps. Hi Billie, Just curious. If you're working this way with PAF, does that mean that the database in Dropbox is a gedcom file? If it is, why is PAF + gedcom file in Dropbox better than Gramps + xml (or gedcom) file in Dropbox? M. |
From: Ron J. <ron...@co...> - 2012-09-10 03:27:15
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On 09/09/2012 09:30 PM, Martin Steer wrote: > On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 06:44:12PM -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> need. The issue is that it just doesn't work "for" me. I "need/want" to >> have one database that is shared over several machines [ Desktop, >> laptop, netbooks, etc. ] I have my database in Dropbox and can make >> changes on any machine and they are immediately on my other machines. >> This is very problematical to do with Gramps. To my thinking this is the >> biggest downfall of Gramps. > > Hi Billie, > > Just curious. If you're working this way with PAF, does that mean that > the database in Dropbox is a gedcom file? If it is, why is PAF + gedcom > file in Dropbox better than Gramps + xml (or gedcom) file in Dropbox? > Is GEDCOM the native PAF format which doesn't require you to drop and re-imported every time? I think this is a segue into the discussion from a couple of months ago regarding porting gramps from bsddb to sqlite. The brave soul (Doug Blank?) rearchitected the schema and got fancy with lots of joins. Performance tanked. -- If adults of legally sound mind must be told what foods they are not allowed to buy, then those people are not competent to choose (i.e. vote for) their own leaders. |
From: Billie W. <bil...@sw...> - 2012-09-10 03:54:13
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On 09/09/2012 09:30 PM, Martin Steer wrote: > On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 06:44:12PM -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: > >> need. The issue is that it just doesn't work "for" me. I "need/want" to >> have one database that is shared over several machines [ Desktop, >> laptop, netbooks, etc. ] I have my database in Dropbox and can make >> changes on any machine and they are immediately on my other machines. >> This is very problematical to do with Gramps. To my thinking this is the >> biggest downfall of Gramps. > Hi Billie, > > Just curious. If you're working this way with PAF, does that mean that > the database in Dropbox is a gedcom file? If it is, why is PAF + gedcom > file in Dropbox better than Gramps + xml (or gedcom) file in Dropbox? > > M. The database file is a "*****.paf" file. The native file format of PAF. I have no idea how it's constructed. PAF also generates a backup periodically, also kept in Dropbox. I do also keep a fresh .ged file but that's sort of a secondary backup. -- A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to ‘The United States of America’ for any amount, up to and including their life. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2012-09-10 07:36:19
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2012/9/10 Billie Walsh <bil...@sw...> > On 09/09/2012 09:30 PM, Martin Steer wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 06:44:12PM -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > >> need. The issue is that it just doesn't work "for" me. I "need/want" to > >> have one database that is shared over several machines [ Desktop, > >> laptop, netbooks, etc. ] I have my database in Dropbox and can make > >> changes on any machine and they are immediately on my other machines. > >> This is very problematical to do with Gramps. To my thinking this is the > >> biggest downfall of Gramps. > > Hi Billie, > > > > Just curious. If you're working this way with PAF, does that mean that > > the database in Dropbox is a gedcom file? If it is, why is PAF + gedcom > > file in Dropbox better than Gramps + xml (or gedcom) file in Dropbox? > > > > M. > > The database file is a "*****.paf" file. The native file format of PAF. > I have no idea how it's constructed. PAF also generates a backup > periodically, also kept in Dropbox. I do also keep a fresh .ged file but > that's sort of a secondary backup. > > If you work at home with paf on, and in the library with no internet access, and you have changes in both places (so simultaneously), dropbox will not be able to sync, and you loose information. Try it. Working with gramps from dropbox works, but is problematic for the same reason. The only cloud computing that would work is a program that can handle it's own merge collisions. That does not exist for genealogy. The only thing that works is pure cloud, so with need of an internet connection, which is what gramps-connect.org develops. So, Gramps is in this respect not worse than other genealogy desktop apps. If you work consecutively, it goes, if you work simultaneously, it fails. Compare this to working with collegues on an excell sheet in Dropbox. Big problems. The only thing that works good for this is a service like google docs. This is precisely what gramps-connect is, but requires always connected to work. Benny > > -- > A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check > made payable to ‘The United States of America’ for any amount, up to and > including their life. > > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: ozdroggy <mik...@op...> - 2012-09-10 07:38:01
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Ok you win What does 73 KA5LSU mean? ----- Mike. LinuxMint Release 12 (Lisa) Kernel Linux 3.0.0-12-generic GNOME 3.2.1 GRAMPS: 3.4.0-1 Hardware: Dell DM-051 Memory: 3.4 GiB Processor 0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.2GHz Processor 1: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.2GHz System Status Available disk space: 89.7 GiB -- View this message in context: http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/My-thoughts-tp4656332p4656340.html Sent from the GRAMPS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Peter L. <pet...@te...> - 2012-09-10 07:47:49
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73 = "best wishes" KA5LSU is an America radio amateur call sign. 73 de SM4ABE (Swedish call sign) ozdroggy skrev 2012-09-10 09:37: > Ok you win > > What does 73 KA5LSU mean? > > > > ----- > Mike. > > LinuxMint Release 12 (Lisa) > Kernel Linux 3.0.0-12-generic > GNOME 3.2.1 > > GRAMPS: 3.4.0-1 > > Hardware: Dell DM-051 > Memory: 3.4 GiB > Processor 0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.2GHz > Processor 1: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.2GHz > > System Status > Available disk space: 89.7 GiB > -- > View this message in context: http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/My-thoughts-tp4656332p4656340.html > Sent from the GRAMPS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Nick W. <ni...@be...> - 2012-09-10 07:57:37
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Ham radio talk - "Regards, his callsign"... de ZL1BSN On 10/09/12 19:37, ozdroggy wrote: > Ok you win > > What does 73 KA5LSU mean? > > > > ----- > Mike. > > LinuxMint Release 12 (Lisa) > Kernel Linux 3.0.0-12-generic > GNOME 3.2.1 > > GRAMPS: 3.4.0-1 > > Hardware: Dell DM-051 > Memory: 3.4 GiB > Processor 0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.2GHz > Processor 1: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.2GHz > > System Status > Available disk space: 89.7 GiB > -- > View this message in context: http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/My-thoughts-tp4656332p4656340.html > Sent from the GRAMPS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Billie W. <bil...@sw...> - 2012-09-10 12:21:39
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On 09/10/2012 02:37 AM, ozdroggy wrote: > Ok you win > > What does 73 KA5LSU mean? > > As far as I know your the first person to figure it out. "73" [ seven three ] is amateur radio short hand. Kind of like saying "have a great day". KA5LSU is my amateur radio call/station ID. -- A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to ‘The United States of America’ for any amount, up to and including their life. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ |
From: Jérôme <rom...@ya...> - 2012-09-10 08:16:23
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Do you really still use (day use) PAF? Why not! Maybe you know that this program will dead soon ? OK, once FamilySearch will have an alternate environment. http://www.tamurajones.net/WhyPAFIsStillPopular.xhtml Le 10/09/2012 01:44, Billie Walsh a écrit : > Normally I don't say much when I decide to leave a list. In this > instance I wanted to tell why I'm leaving. It speak to one of the main > issues that come up on the list. > > I tried Gramps for a long time. It just doesn't work as I need my > genealogy database program to work. I'm not saying that Gramps is a bad > program. Point of fact, it is probably way more program that I actually > need. The issue is that it just doesn't work "for" me. I "need/want" to > have one database that is shared over several machines [ Desktop, > laptop, netbooks, etc. ] I have my database in Dropbox and can make > changes on any machine and they are immediately on my other machines. > This is very problematical to do with Gramps. To my thinking this is the > biggest downfall of Gramps. > > If users had one computer and did their research at the library on > pencil and paper, came home and entered everything into their database, > Gramps is terrific. The thing is, todays world is increasingly a mobil > world. We have smart phones, tablets, netbooks, laptops, all sorts of > stuff. We go to the library with our laptop/tablet/netbook [ pick your > poison ]. Why come home and have to re-enter everything. Enter it on > your portable device and it is updated on all your machines. > > As just a matter of information, I've gone back to my old Windows > genealogy program running under Wine, PAF 5.0. > > Thank you to the developers for a great program [ Gramps ]. If they can > make the database portable it would be perfect. > > I will be unsubscribing from the list very shortly. Thank you all for a > great experience. > |
From: Billie W. <bil...@sw...> - 2012-09-10 12:49:12
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On 09/10/2012 03:16 AM, Jérôme wrote: > Do you really still use (day use) PAF? > > Why not! > > Maybe you know that this program will dead soon ? > OK, once FamilySearch will have an alternate environment. > > http://www.tamurajones.net/WhyPAFIsStillPopular.xhtml I know PAF is really old. Probably been out of date for the last ten years at least. Newer programs have a lot more bells and whistles, but do bells and whistles always make it better. The thing is, it just works. They've been saying for years that PAF was going to die. So far................... There are a few issues with the article in the link. There is no relation between the earliest versions of PAF and versions four and five. Four came about when the LDS was given an old version of a popular genealogy program when it was bought out by another company. Four had minimal changes and five had more. With all the different programs I've tried out over the years most are "updated" by adding some bell or whistle [ change the color scheme or the splash screen ] to make it "New and Improved." Maybe they fix some bug or something but it's mostly to get you to buy the "Latest and Greatest" and make them money. My ol' Gran Pappy used to say, "If'n it ain't broke, don't fix it." For the most part a genealogy program is supposed to keep everyone ordered and in place. Keep data attached to the person it is supposed to go with. PAF does this just as well as the newest, flashiest, "Latest and Greatest" out there. How much do I want to really believe written by a person that considers the LDS as a "cult" and not a religion. It shows the bias of the author. -- A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to ‘The United States of America’ for any amount, up to and including their life. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ |
From: Jérôme <rom...@ya...> - 2012-09-10 13:52:47
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> How much do I want to really believe written by a person that considers > the LDS as a "cult" and not a religion. It shows the bias of the author. Me or Tamura Jones? http://www.tamurajones.net/WhatWhere.xhtml Note, in Europe, there is some secular countries, where religious means something else! I can understand why LDS is not considered as a religion!!! Maybe there is just a misunderstanding about "cult vs religion" usage in some part of Europe? I have no problem with mormons! But rather talking about LDS and Gramps. What should be the future of the LDS support into Person and Family records? Gramps provides a support (editors/database) and it was into GEDCOM 5.5 specification, but LDS seems to ignore them on new API... :( What does it mean? What should be done with data set by users? I can easily understand Mr. Jones' comments, because since many years LDS are starting things and never make it 'commonly/stable available'. Maybe frustration about the LDS manpower (+ money) and usage, for a better genealogical search? It sounds like multiple private then open testing/drafts. Remember RIN (Record Id Number), REFN (User Reference Number) token/tags into Gedcom, maybe a nice idea, but never really used. https://github.com/FamilySearch/gedcomx/wiki/Legacy-GEDCOM-Migration-Path > There is no relation between the earliest versions of PAF and versions > four and five. Four came about when the LDS was given an old version of > a popular genealogy program when it was bought out by another company. > Four had minimal changes and five had more. Well, for me, there is a problem between PAF4 and PAF5! There is no more support for the french locale under PAF5? Why? I cannot think that there is not at least one person who can translate PAF5 into french? Note, I know that there is no LDS temple in France, but it is right to miss to support good places for making genealogy according to LDS? And it was supported by PAF4 !!! > The thing is, it just works. That's also why I noted 'Why not!' So, you know the current PAF limitations which will never be fixed, but you use it because it is just what you need. The main difference is maybe that Gramps is always trying to makes things better, even it sometimes generates errors or needs more testing and experimentations... Good genealogical searches under PAF or Gramps! Le 10/09/2012 14:36, Billie Walsh a écrit : > On 09/10/2012 03:16 AM, Jérôme wrote: >> Do you really still use (day use) PAF? >> >> Why not! >> >> Maybe you know that this program will dead soon ? >> OK, once FamilySearch will have an alternate environment. >> >> http://www.tamurajones.net/WhyPAFIsStillPopular.xhtml > > I know PAF is really old. Probably been out of date for the last ten > years at least. Newer programs have a lot more bells and whistles, but > do bells and whistles always make it better. The thing is, it just works. > > They've been saying for years that PAF was going to die. So > far................... > > There are a few issues with the article in the link. > > There is no relation between the earliest versions of PAF and versions > four and five. Four came about when the LDS was given an old version of > a popular genealogy program when it was bought out by another company. > Four had minimal changes and five had more. > > With all the different programs I've tried out over the years most are > "updated" by adding some bell or whistle [ change the color scheme or > the splash screen ] to make it "New and Improved." Maybe they fix some > bug or something but it's mostly to get you to buy the "Latest and > Greatest" and make them money. My ol' Gran Pappy used to say, "If'n it > ain't broke, don't fix it." For the most part a genealogy program is > supposed to keep everyone ordered and in place. Keep data attached to > the person it is supposed to go with. PAF does this just as well as the > newest, flashiest, "Latest and Greatest" out there. > > How much do I want to really believe written by a person that considers > the LDS as a "cult" and not a religion. It shows the bias of the author. > |
From: Jérôme <rom...@ya...> - 2012-09-12 09:13:18
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Billie, > How much do I want to really believe written by a person that considers > the LDS as a "cult" and not a religion. It shows the bias of the author. I suppose that I found the sentence you do not like on the page "PAF is the only genealogy application offered by the Latter-Day Saints (LDS), the largest mormon cult." I am not the author but I understand this like 'religion in the common day/society' ... Double meaning of cult! From interpersonal relations to religions. ex: money cult, university cult, 'Apple©® cult, family cult, god cult, etc ... LDS is not the mormons and the mormons are not LDS, right? And I suppose that some mormons do not look at LDS? "The largest" seems to mean that there is multiple parts, no? For genealgical usage, I guess that the most important is the LDS. Does it mean that only mormons are allowed to contact and work with LDS? See also: 'faith tab' on mailing list http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28980760 Le 10/09/2012 14:36, Billie Walsh a écrit : > On 09/10/2012 03:16 AM, Jérôme wrote: >> Do you really still use (day use) PAF? >> >> Why not! >> >> Maybe you know that this program will dead soon ? >> OK, once FamilySearch will have an alternate environment. >> >> http://www.tamurajones.net/WhyPAFIsStillPopular.xhtml > > I know PAF is really old. Probably been out of date for the last ten > years at least. Newer programs have a lot more bells and whistles, but > do bells and whistles always make it better. The thing is, it just works. > > They've been saying for years that PAF was going to die. So > far................... > > There are a few issues with the article in the link. > > There is no relation between the earliest versions of PAF and versions > four and five. Four came about when the LDS was given an old version of > a popular genealogy program when it was bought out by another company. > Four had minimal changes and five had more. > > With all the different programs I've tried out over the years most are > "updated" by adding some bell or whistle [ change the color scheme or > the splash screen ] to make it "New and Improved." Maybe they fix some > bug or something but it's mostly to get you to buy the "Latest and > Greatest" and make them money. My ol' Gran Pappy used to say, "If'n it > ain't broke, don't fix it." For the most part a genealogy program is > supposed to keep everyone ordered and in place. Keep data attached to > the person it is supposed to go with. PAF does this just as well as the > newest, flashiest, "Latest and Greatest" out there. > > How much do I want to really believe written by a person that considers > the LDS as a "cult" and not a religion. It shows the bias of the author. > |
From: Billie W. <bil...@sw...> - 2012-09-10 11:59:15
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On 09/10/2012 02:36 AM, Benny Malengier wrote: > > > 2012/9/10 Billie Walsh <bil...@sw... <mailto:bil...@sw...>> > > On 09/09/2012 09:30 PM, Martin Steer wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 06:44:12PM -0500, Billie Walsh wrote: > > > >> need. The issue is that it just doesn't work "for" me. I > "need/want" to > >> have one database that is shared over several machines [ Desktop, > >> laptop, netbooks, etc. ] I have my database in Dropbox and can make > >> changes on any machine and they are immediately on my other > machines. > >> This is very problematical to do with Gramps. To my thinking > this is the > >> biggest downfall of Gramps. > > Hi Billie, > > > > Just curious. If you're working this way with PAF, does that > mean that > > the database in Dropbox is a gedcom file? If it is, why is PAF + > gedcom > > file in Dropbox better than Gramps + xml (or gedcom) file in > Dropbox? > > > > M. > > The database file is a "*****.paf" file. The native file format of > PAF. > I have no idea how it's constructed. PAF also generates a backup > periodically, also kept in Dropbox. I do also keep a fresh .ged > file but > that's sort of a secondary backup. > > > If you work at home with paf on, and in the library with no internet > access, and you have changes in both places (so simultaneously), > dropbox will not be able to sync, and you loose information. Try it. > > Working with gramps from dropbox works, but is problematic for the > same reason. > > The only cloud computing that would work is a program that can handle > it's own merge collisions. That does not exist for genealogy. The only > thing that works is pure cloud, so with need of an internet > connection, which is what gramps-connect.org > <http://gramps-connect.org> develops. > > So, Gramps is in this respect not worse than other genealogy desktop > apps. If you work consecutively, it goes, if you work simultaneously, > it fails. > > Compare this to working with collegues on an excell sheet in Dropbox. > Big problems. The only thing that works good for this is a service > like google docs. This is precisely what gramps-connect is, but > requires always connected to work. > > Benny If there is no access I can just bring the laptop/netbook home, or go to a coffee shop maybe, and connect to the internet. Everything is synched up. If I use the netbook at the county courthouse someplace away from home when I get back to the hotel I connect and everything is synched. We also have a Sprint wireless card with a wireless router that we travel with. We can have several machines with internet going seventy miles an hour down the interstate. I could synch from anywhere I can hit a Sprint tower [ and with the amplifier and external antenna on the sprint card that's about twenty or thirty miles range ]. There's no possible way I can be at home and at the library at the same time so I can't have the database open in two places at the same time. If I'm home I wouldn't be making changes on two machines. No one else collaborates with me on the same database. If your even semi-intelligent synching up the computers through Dropbox is no problem at all. Every computer I use has the latest version of the database at all times. -- A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to ‘The United States of America’ for any amount, up to and including their life. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ |
From: Jesse M. <da...@gm...> - 2012-09-10 13:17:34
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Billie Walsh <bil...@sw...> wrote: > If there is no access I can just bring the laptop/netbook home, or go > to a coffee shop maybe, and connect to the internet. Everything is synched > up. If I use the netbook at the county courthouse someplace away from home > when I get back to the hotel I connect and everything is synched. We also > have a Sprint wireless card with a wireless router that we travel with. We > can have several machines with internet going seventy miles an hour down > the interstate. I could synch from anywhere I can hit a Sprint tower [ and > with the amplifier and external antenna on the sprint card that's about > twenty or thirty miles range ]. There's no possible way I can be at home > and at the library at the same time so I can't have the database open in > two places at the same time. If I'm home I wouldn't be making changes on > two machines. No one else collaborates with me on the same database. > Interesting. I would assume that Gramps should work with a similar setup, assuming you are using the exact same version of the software on all machines, and assuming you only have the database open in one copy of gramps at a time (Gramps locks the file to prevent more than one program altering the file at a time). So what fails? And what's the technical reason for it failing? Thanks |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2012-09-10 13:29:50
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2012/9/10 Jesse Meyer <da...@gm...> > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Billie Walsh <bil...@sw...> wrote: > >> If there is no access I can just bring the laptop/netbook home, or >> go to a coffee shop maybe, and connect to the internet. Everything is >> synched up. If I use the netbook at the county courthouse someplace away >> from home when I get back to the hotel I connect and everything is synched. >> We also have a Sprint wireless card with a wireless router that we travel >> with. We can have several machines with internet going seventy miles an >> hour down the interstate. I could synch from anywhere I can hit a Sprint >> tower [ and with the amplifier and external antenna on the sprint card >> that's about twenty or thirty miles range ]. There's no possible way I can >> be at home and at the library at the same time so I can't have the database >> open in two places at the same time. If I'm home I wouldn't be making >> changes on two machines. No one else collaborates with me on the same >> database. >> > > Interesting. > > I would assume that Gramps should work with a similar setup, assuming you > are using the exact same version of the software on all machines, and > assuming you only have the database open in one copy of gramps at a time > (Gramps locks the file to prevent more than one program altering the file > at a time). > > So what fails? > > And what's the technical reason for it failing? > This works, see eg: http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/Gramps-inside-Dropbox-td4594898.html The tip there to use an usb drive on the move seems like a good idea also. I would nevertheless do a backup via the Family Tree menu to avoid damage to the usb key. Pulling out a usb drive while saving to it could also cause big problems (as data is in memory, not on the usb). Benny > > Thanks > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > > |
From: Billie W. <bil...@sw...> - 2012-09-10 13:40:50
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On 09/10/2012 08:17 AM, Jesse Meyer wrote: > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Billie Walsh <bil...@sw... > <mailto:bil...@sw...>> wrote: > > If there is no access I can just bring the laptop/netbook > home, or go to a coffee shop maybe, and connect to the internet. > Everything is synched up. If I use the netbook at the county > courthouse someplace away from home when I get back to the hotel I > connect and everything is synched. We also have a Sprint wireless > card with a wireless router that we travel with. We can have > several machines with internet going seventy miles an hour down > the interstate. I could synch from anywhere I can hit a Sprint > tower [ and with the amplifier and external antenna on the sprint > card that's about twenty or thirty miles range ]. There's no > possible way I can be at home and at the library at the same time > so I can't have the database open in two places at the same time. > If I'm home I wouldn't be making changes on two machines. No one > else collaborates with me on the same database. > > Interesting. > I would assume that Gramps should work with a similar setup, assuming > you are using the exact same version of the software on all machines, > and assuming you only have the database open in one copy of gramps at > a time (Gramps locks the file to prevent more than one program > altering the file at a time). > So what fails? > And what's the technical reason for it failing? > Thanks The issue I see is the issue in another thread at this time. Gramps tends to choke and puke if there's a version disconnect. Traditionally Gramps databases are not terribly portable. -- A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America' for any amount, up to and including their life. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2012-09-10 14:00:34
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2012/9/10 Billie Walsh <bil...@sw...> > > The issue I see is the issue in another thread at this time. Gramps tends > to choke and puke if there's a version disconnect. Traditionally Gramps > databases are not terribly portable. > The old deprecated .grdb format was not portable, the current version can actually be copied around (try it, easy to verify, do make a backup first), but one cannot open a database touched by a more recent database version by a later database version. I don't mind this, as the OS (and hence database version) on all my computers is the same anyway. Benny |
From: Tim L. <guy...@gm...> - 2012-09-12 11:34:39
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Benny Malengier wrote > > 2012/9/10 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@> > >> >> The issue I see is the issue in another thread at this time. Gramps tends >> to choke and puke if there's a version disconnect. Traditionally Gramps >> databases are not terribly portable. >> > > The old deprecated .grdb format was not portable, the current version can > actually be copied around (try it, easy to verify, do make a backup > first), > but one cannot open a database touched by a more recent database version > by > a later database version. I don't mind this, as the OS (and hence database > version) on all my computers is the same anyway. > Database upgrade is clearly a problem. See [1] and [2], for example. Creating a dump of the old database as soon as Gramps discovers that the database version has changed sounds like a good idea. Note that e.g. Ubuntu seems to have Gramps 3.3.1 as the standard installed version, so many people are on older versions. We should should not forget the need to support older versions, not just the latest and greatest. Possibly one of the best things about PAF is that it doesn't change much. [1] http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/Re-Gramps-database-td4656375.html [2] http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/Suggestion-GRAMPS-db-conversion-util-td4656318.html -- View this message in context: http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/My-thoughts-tp4656332p4656428.html Sent from the GRAMPS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Tim L. <guy...@gm...> - 2012-09-12 11:34:59
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Benny Malengier wrote > > 2012/9/10 Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@> > >> >> The issue I see is the issue in another thread at this time. Gramps tends >> to choke and puke if there's a version disconnect. Traditionally Gramps >> databases are not terribly portable. >> > > The old deprecated .grdb format was not portable, the current version can > actually be copied around (try it, easy to verify, do make a backup > first), > but one cannot open a database touched by a more recent database version > by > a later database version. I don't mind this, as the OS (and hence database > version) on all my computers is the same anyway. > Database upgrade is clearly a problem. See [1] and [2], for example. Creating a dump of the old database as soon as Gramps discovers that the database version has changed sounds like a good idea. Note that e.g. Ubuntu seems to have Gramps 3.3.1 as the standard installed version, so many people are on older versions. We should should not forget the need to support older versions, not just the latest and greatest. Possibly one of the best things about PAF is that it doesn't change much. [1] http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/Re-Gramps-database-td4656375.html [2] http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/Suggestion-GRAMPS-db-conversion-util-td4656318.html -- View this message in context: http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/My-thoughts-tp4656332p4656429.html Sent from the GRAMPS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Emegra <gdu...@gm...> - 2012-10-01 08:35:55
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I have a similar problem to the original poster I have 2 machines one that I use and one my wife uses both are Linux machines and both using the same version of Gramps, both machines are connected to a server on my network where I have placed the .gramps folder, I've set each pc to go there for the database, however I can't get both pc's to sync in other words if I make changes on one pc they don't reflect on the other so i have to do changes on one pc only and periodically import a backup to the other pc which can then only be used for reference , prior to using Gramps I used Heredis and Roots Magic and this was a simple thing to do as there was only one simple data file that both pc's could share from the same location however in Gramps this seems much more complicated although I'm sure what I want to do can be done, can anyone explain to me how I do it or lead me to a tutorial that explains it Many Thanks Graeme -- View this message in context: http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/My-thoughts-tp4656332p4656798.html Sent from the GRAMPS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2012-10-01 08:47:02
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2012/10/1 Emegra <gdu...@gm...> > I have a similar problem to the original poster I have 2 machines one that > I > use and one my wife uses both are Linux machines and both using the same > version of Gramps, both machines are connected to a server on my network > where I have placed the .gramps folder, I've set each pc to go there for > the > database, however I can't get both pc's to sync in other words if I make > changes on one pc they don't reflect on the other so i have to do changes > on > one pc only and periodically import a backup to the other pc which can then > only be used for reference , prior to using Gramps I used Heredis and Roots > Magic and this was a simple thing to do as there was only one simple data > file that both pc's could share from the same location however in Gramps > this seems much more complicated although I'm sure what I want to do can be > done, can anyone explain to me how I do it or lead me to a tutorial that > explains it > If .gramps is on a network disk, then .gramps/grampsdb is on a network disk. You however must set in the preferences that this network disk must be used for the databases, otherwise the local hard disk will still be used. If you use samba to share your network disk, this means you need a normal path to the network disk, instead of the samba protocol. So in linux, this means you need a line in /etc/fstab using cifs to mount the samba disk to something like /media/networkdisk, see http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Mounting_samba_shares_from_a_unix_client In the next update of Gramps (3.4.2), the database path in the preferences will have a directory select button so you can't type errors then. Don;t know how this would go in windows, I don't have windows myself. Note that working over the network has more latency, so slowdown of browsing and such can occur. Be sure to tell all people to not unlock a family before making sure anybody else is not working on the family tree. The lock icon and warning are the only safeguard against opening a family tree twice. If you break the lock and work with two on a family tree, the family tree will be damaged in a way we might not be able to repair! Benny > > Many Thanks > > Graeme > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/My-thoughts-tp4656332p4656798.html > Sent from the GRAMPS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Got visibility? > Most devs has no idea what their production app looks like. > Find out how fast your code is with AppDynamics Lite. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219671;13503038;y? > http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Emegra <gdu...@gm...> - 2012-10-02 17:08:20
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Hi Benny Thanks for your help it seems you're spot on, the problem seems to be that neither pc has been using the server location for the grampsdb file, because in the preferences on both pc's the path started with smb://<path to server> but instead of navigating to the server they both created a directory in their respective home folders called "smb" where they each had their own grampsdb file, so effectively using different databases, I've not had a chance to try what you suggested yet but I'll give it a try this evening if I get a chance, I think a browse button in the preferences would be a great improvement for what is otherwise a great program, I've been researching my family history for almost 10 years now and in that time I've tried a few different genealogy programs and for me Gramps is amongst the best if not the best although this problem almost had me giving up on it. once again many thanks Graeme -- View this message in context: http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/My-thoughts-tp4656332p4656829.html Sent from the GRAMPS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Emegra <gdu...@gm...> - 2012-10-06 06:03:34
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Hi again I had a look at the link you posted re editing my fstab file but to be honest it's way over my head, I probably could work it out given time but i,m a 52 year old motor mechanic and I really don't think a normal user should have to learn code to use this program the way i want to (it's simple with other geneological programs why shopuldn't it be with this one) so I looked for another solution, the first was running Gramps from a flash drive with the intention of physically moving the drive from pc to pc but that failed due to constant corrupt databases and all sorts of error messages so I finally gave up on that, I then tried using ubuntu one, I thought that would be that best solution because it means I could use and edit Gramps from anywhere, I was able to get Gramps to run from my ubuntu one folder by copying the /home/.grapms folder to /home/ubuntu one and setting the preferences to go there, I then removed the grampsdb from /home/.gramps to make sure I was using the right database. For reasons I don't understand it seems I still need to have a .gramps folder in /home or Gramps wont open even though the grampsdb file is missing so I now have 2 .gramps folders one in /home and the other in /home/ubuntu one but only one grampsdb file (complicated but it works), the problem is getting my other pc to run from the same database because even though I set identical paths in the prefrences it just writes it's own database inside .gramps/ubuntu one so I then have 2 grampsdb folders inside the same .gramps folder, judging from Bennys last post it seems what I'm trying to do is perfectly possible so there's clearly something I'm misunderstanding so can anyone please tell me where I'm going wrong here and if possible how I put it right, Many Thanks Graeme -- View this message in context: http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/My-thoughts-tp4656332p4656908.html Sent from the GRAMPS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2012-10-07 18:09:12
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2012/10/6 Emegra <gdu...@gm...> > Hi again > > I had a look at the link you posted re editing my fstab file but to be > honest it's way over my head, I probably could work it out given time but > i,m a 52 year old motor mechanic and I really don't think a normal user > should have to learn code to use this program the way i want to (it's > simple > with other geneological programs why shopuldn't it be with this one) so I > looked for another solution, the first was running Gramps from a flash > drive > with the intention of physically moving the drive from pc to pc but that > failed due to constant corrupt databases and all sorts of error messages so > I finally gave up on that, I then tried using ubuntu one, I thought that > would be that best solution because it means I could use and edit Gramps > from anywhere, I was able to get Gramps to run from my ubuntu one folder by > copying the /home/.grapms folder to /home/ubuntu one and setting the > preferences to go there, I then removed the grampsdb from /home/.gramps to > make sure I was using the right database. > > For reasons I don't understand it seems I still need to have a .gramps > folder in /home or Gramps wont open even though the grampsdb file is > missing > so I now have 2 .gramps folders one in /home and the other in /home/ubuntu > one but only one grampsdb file (complicated but it works), the problem is > getting my other pc to run from the same database because even though I set > identical paths in the prefrences it just writes it's own database inside > .gramps/ubuntu one so I then have 2 grampsdb folders inside the same > .gramps > folder, judging from Bennys last post it seems what I'm trying to do is > perfectly possible so there's clearly something I'm misunderstanding so can > anyone please tell me where I'm going wrong here and if possible how I put > it right, > It should be impossible to have 2 grampsdb folders in the same directory on ubuntu one. Surely there must be something different? If you have set the database path in the preferences correct, then opening the family tree manager should show you all the family trees made with the other PC (do give it time to sync though). If not, something is wrong. Benny > > > Many Thanks > Graeme > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/My-thoughts-tp4656332p4656908.html > Sent from the GRAMPS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM > Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly > what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app > Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |