From: Eusebius <gr...@eu...> - 2012-07-04 15:23:58
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Hi all, I'm using Gramps both on a Windows workstation and on an Ubuntu laptop. My Windows Gramps is a 3.4 but for my Ubuntu system I rely on the repository version of the software, and it's still 3.3.1 there. As you know, the export formats are incompatible between 3.3 and 3.4, so it's a bit uncomfortable. Is there a planned update on the Debian/Ubuntu repositories? On what kind of criteria does it depend? Thanks in advance, Eusebius |
From: François <fra...@fr...> - 2012-07-04 15:40:41
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Le 04/07/2012 16:49, Eusebius a écrit : > Is there a planned update on the Debian/Ubuntu repositories? http://sourceforge.net/projects/gramps/ > On what kind of criteria does it depend? Python > = 2.5 -- François |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2012-07-04 15:55:02
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2012/7/4 François <fra...@fr...> > Le 04/07/2012 16:49, Eusebius a écrit : > > > Is there a planned update on the Debian/Ubuntu repositories? > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/gramps/ > So, once released, Ubuntu will not upgrade a gramps version. Manually downloading the .deb from sourceforge and installing by double click is the way to install it. Benny > > > On what kind of criteria does it depend? > > Python > = 2.5 > > -- François > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Eusebius <gr...@eu...> - 2012-07-05 09:43:00
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Hi, Thanks for all your replies. - OK, There's a .deb available that I can use, thanks. - There's a dependency on python 2.5+, noted. But I still don't really understand Benny's remark here: "So, once released, Ubuntu will not upgrade a gramps version". I missed the reason before the "So"... :-) Same issue I guess: Why does Ron say that it can only happen on ppa repositories? Regards, Eusebius Le 04/07/2012 17:54, Benny Malengier a écrit : > > > 2012/7/4 François <fra...@fr... <mailto:fra...@fr...>> > > Le 04/07/2012 16:49, Eusebius a écrit : > > > Is there a planned update on the Debian/Ubuntu repositories? > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/gramps/ > > > So, once released, Ubuntu will not upgrade a gramps version. Manually > downloading the .deb from sourceforge and installing by double click is > the way to install it. > > Benny > > > > On what kind of criteria does it depend? > > Python > = 2.5 > > -- François > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. > Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in > malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > <mailto:Gra...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2012-07-05 13:04:02
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2012/7/5 Eusebius <gr...@eu...> > Hi, > > Thanks for all your replies. > > - OK, There's a .deb available that I can use, thanks. > - There's a dependency on python 2.5+, noted. > > But I still don't really understand Benny's remark here: "So, once > released, Ubuntu will not upgrade a gramps version". I missed the reason > before the "So"... :-) > There are two type of linux releases, rolling releases like Archlinux, opensuse tumbleweed, debian testing, ... who update software to newer vesions; and then normal releases, which set software versions fixed in a release and don't upgrade those after release, except point updates for security bugs. Ubuntu follows the normal release type, so twice a year a new version, and you need to upgrade to that for newer software. Note that for people who want stability and support, you should opt for a normal type of release, and just live with the fact you have somewhat older software. If you always want the new software, switch to a linux that does rolling release. Benny Same issue I guess: Why does Ron say that it can only happen on ppa > repositories? > > Regards, > Eusebius > > Le 04/07/2012 17:54, Benny Malengier a écrit : > > > > > > 2012/7/4 François <fra...@fr... <mailto: > fra...@fr...>> > > > > Le 04/07/2012 16:49, Eusebius a écrit : > > > > > Is there a planned update on the Debian/Ubuntu repositories? > > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/gramps/ > > > > > > So, once released, Ubuntu will not upgrade a gramps version. Manually > > downloading the .deb from sourceforge and installing by double click is > > the way to install it. > > > > Benny > > > > > > > On what kind of criteria does it depend? > > > > Python > = 2.5 > > > > -- François > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Live Security Virtual Conference > > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. > > Discussions > > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in > > malware > > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Gramps-users mailing list > > Gra...@li... > > <mailto:Gra...@li...> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Live Security Virtual Conference > > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gramps-users mailing list > > Gra...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Ron J. <ron...@co...> - 2012-07-05 14:47:51
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On 07/05/2012 08:03 AM, Benny Malengier wrote: > 2012/7/5 Eusebius <gr...@eu...> > [snip] >> >> But I still don't really understand Benny's remark here: "So, once >> released, Ubuntu will not upgrade a gramps version". I missed the reason >> before the "So"... :-) >> > > There are two type of linux releases, rolling releases like Archlinux, > opensuse tumbleweed, debian testing, ... who update software to newer > vesions; and then normal releases, which set software versions fixed in a > release and don't upgrade those after release, except point updates for > security bugs. > Ubuntu follows the normal release type, so twice a year a new version, and > you need to upgrade to that for newer software. > > Note that for people who want stability and support, you should opt for a > normal type of release, and just live with the fact you have somewhat older > software. If you always want the new software, switch to a linux that does > rolling release. > Eh. Eusebius: your son "should" install Ubuntu 12.04LTS. That's the verson which was released in April of 2012 and is designated for Long Term Support. (Clever, eh?) That's what I've got, for it's stability and lack of drama. The downside of an LTS release is that Ubuntu won't *officially* (note the emphasis on "official") release upgraded versions of software, but only security fixes. The two standard method to get newer versions of software are: 1) install PPAs (personal package archives, which are unofficial repositories), and 2) get the new version directly from the project website. Method #2 is how I installed Gramps v3.4 on my 12.04LTS box. Clear as mud? -- "There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs." Thomas Sowell |
From: Eusebius <gr...@eu...> - 2012-07-05 14:33:44
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Hi, Le 05/07/2012 15:03, Benny Malengier a écrit : > 2012/7/5 Eusebius <gr...@eu... <mailto:gr...@eu...>> > > [...] > > But I still don't really understand Benny's remark here: "So, once > released, Ubuntu will not upgrade a gramps version". I missed the reason > before the "So"... :-) > > There are two type of linux releases, rolling releases like Archlinux, > opensuse tumbleweed, debian testing, ... who update software to newer > vesions; and then normal releases, which set software versions fixed in > a release and don't upgrade those after release, except point updates > for security bugs. > Ubuntu follows the normal release type, so twice a year a new version, > and you need to upgrade to that for newer software. It depends on the repositories you choose to use. For instance, my laptop is still on Oneiric (Ubuntu 11.10). If I use the standard "oneiric" repositories, I'm stuck with version 7 of Firefox (which was standard when 11.10 was released), but if I use "oneiric-updates", which I do, my Firefox is updated "normally" to version 13. So, why couldn't Gramps do the same? If there is a technical reason for that I don't understand it (apart for package dependency reasons, but python version is 2.7 in Oneiric). No criticism here, I'd really like to understand, that's it. Regards, Eusebius PS: saying that Debian testing is a rolling release could be considered as starting a troll, in some communities :-) |
From: NoOp <gl...@sb...> - 2012-07-07 23:51:07
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On 07/05/2012 07:33 AM, Eusebius wrote: > Hi, > > Le 05/07/2012 15:03, Benny Malengier a écrit : >> 2012/7/5 Eusebius <gr...@eu... <mailto:gr...@eu...>> >> >> [...] >> >> But I still don't really understand Benny's remark here: "So, once >> released, Ubuntu will not upgrade a gramps version". I missed the reason >> before the "So"... :-) >> >> There are two type of linux releases, rolling releases like Archlinux, >> opensuse tumbleweed, debian testing, ... who update software to newer >> vesions; and then normal releases, which set software versions fixed in >> a release and don't upgrade those after release, except point updates >> for security bugs. >> Ubuntu follows the normal release type, so twice a year a new version, >> and you need to upgrade to that for newer software. > > It depends on the repositories you choose to use. For instance, my > laptop is still on Oneiric (Ubuntu 11.10). If I use the standard > "oneiric" repositories, I'm stuck with version 7 of Firefox (which was > standard when 11.10 was released), but if I use "oneiric-updates", which > I do, my Firefox is updated "normally" to version 13. > > So, why couldn't Gramps do the same? If there is a technical reason for > that I don't understand it (apart for package dependency reasons, but > python version is 2.7 in Oneiric). ... Well 3.4.0-1 works fine on Natty (11.04): $ apt-cache policy gramps gramps: Installed: 3.4.0-1 Candidate: 3.4.0-1 Version table: *** 3.4.0-1 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 3.2.5-1 0 500 http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu/ natty/universe amd64 Packages And 12.04. I downloaded the Sourceforge version: <http://sourceforge.net/projects/gramps/files/latest/download?source=files> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/gramps/files/Stable/3.4.0/> Thanks to whoever put in the work to package this. |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2012-07-05 14:54:57
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2012/7/5 Eusebius <gr...@eu...> > Hi, > > Le 05/07/2012 15:03, Benny Malengier a écrit : > > 2012/7/5 Eusebius <gr...@eu... <mailto:gr...@eu...>> > > > > [...] > > > > But I still don't really understand Benny's remark here: "So, once > > released, Ubuntu will not upgrade a gramps version". I missed the > reason > > before the "So"... :-) > > > > There are two type of linux releases, rolling releases like Archlinux, > > opensuse tumbleweed, debian testing, ... who update software to newer > > vesions; and then normal releases, which set software versions fixed in > > a release and don't upgrade those after release, except point updates > > for security bugs. > > Ubuntu follows the normal release type, so twice a year a new version, > > and you need to upgrade to that for newer software. > > It depends on the repositories you choose to use. For instance, my > laptop is still on Oneiric (Ubuntu 11.10). If I use the standard > "oneiric" repositories, I'm stuck with version 7 of Firefox (which was > standard when 11.10 was released), but if I use "oneiric-updates", which > I do, my Firefox is updated "normally" to version 13. > > So, why couldn't Gramps do the same? If there is a technical reason for > that I don't understand it (apart for package dependency reasons, but > python version is 2.7 in Oneiric). > > No criticism here, I'd really like to understand, that's it. > Very popular packages have such repo for updating, we don't have somebody (or nobody has time) that wants to that for gramps. Benny > > Regards, > Eusebius > > PS: saying that Debian testing is a rolling release could be considered > as starting a troll, in some communities :-) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Eusebius <gr...@eu...> - 2012-07-05 15:27:58
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Thanks everyone for your time & replies. Regards, Eusebius Le 05/07/2012 16:54, Benny Malengier a écrit : > > > 2012/7/5 Eusebius <gr...@eu... <mailto:gr...@eu...>> > > Hi, > > Le 05/07/2012 15:03, Benny Malengier a écrit : > > 2012/7/5 Eusebius <gr...@eu... <mailto:gr...@eu...> > <mailto:gr...@eu... <mailto:gr...@eu...>>> > > > > [...] > > > > But I still don't really understand Benny's remark here: "So, once > > released, Ubuntu will not upgrade a gramps version". I missed > the reason > > before the "So"... :-) > > > > There are two type of linux releases, rolling releases like Archlinux, > > opensuse tumbleweed, debian testing, ... who update software to newer > > vesions; and then normal releases, which set software versions > fixed in > > a release and don't upgrade those after release, except point updates > > for security bugs. > > Ubuntu follows the normal release type, so twice a year a new version, > > and you need to upgrade to that for newer software. > > It depends on the repositories you choose to use. For instance, my > laptop is still on Oneiric (Ubuntu 11.10). If I use the standard > "oneiric" repositories, I'm stuck with version 7 of Firefox (which was > standard when 11.10 was released), but if I use "oneiric-updates", which > I do, my Firefox is updated "normally" to version 13. > > So, why couldn't Gramps do the same? If there is a technical reason for > that I don't understand it (apart for package dependency reasons, but > python version is 2.7 in Oneiric). > > No criticism here, I'd really like to understand, that's it. > > > Very popular packages have such repo for updating, we don't have > somebody (or nobody has time) that wants to that for gramps. > > Benny > > > Regards, > Eusebius > > PS: saying that Debian testing is a rolling release could be considered > as starting a troll, in some communities :-) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. > Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in > malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > <mailto:Gra...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > > |
From: Ron J. <ron...@co...> - 2012-07-04 15:56:10
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On 07/04/2012 09:49 AM, Eusebius wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm using Gramps both on a Windows workstation and on an Ubuntu laptop. > My Windows Gramps is a 3.4 but for my Ubuntu system I rely on the > repository version of the software, and it's still 3.3.1 there. > As you know, the export formats are incompatible between 3.3 and 3.4, so > it's a bit uncomfortable. > > Is there a planned update on the Debian/Ubuntu repositories? On what > kind of criteria does it depend? > Only via a ppa, if someone creates it. The Gramps project, though, creates a 3.4 deb which works fine on Ubuntu 12.04. However, 10.10 is restricted to v3.3.x because of dependency issues. Don't know about 11.04 and 11.10. -- "There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs." Thomas Sowell |