2011/1/29 Christopher Barnett <christopher_barnett@hotmail.co.uk>

Hi everyone,
Thanks for all the comments.
I can see there are two main ways in which to think of a Source that is a index/register. I could consider each page in the index to be a Source Object or the whole index to be a Source Object. I think I'm going to go with the latter. This will allow me to use the Source Reference Editor to refer to the individual record once I add the Source to an Event. The Source Reference Editor has a Notes tab and as my Source is online I'm going to use it to store my URL. One of the default Note types is "Citation". I think it makes sense to use "Citation" for the URLs Note type. I'm not sure if the type is used for anything special though and I know you can add your own types. I have noticed that there are more default types for a Note that is added to a Source Reference. Does anyone know if a Notes type is used for anything other than sorting?

Note Type  is a general thing to classify your notes in big groups.
There is one special type, if you select type 'Html Code', you will see it in html output as is, and not in other reports. Eg to add a google map javascript to a report.
Otherwise it is a general catalog.

For next version, Notes can have a variable number of tags. We considered removing Note Type for this, but decided to keep note type as a general first distinction between notes, which is also printed to the reports that contain the note.
Tags on the other hand will are organizational, like all TODO notes, all French notes, ... . It will replace Marker Type.

Benny

Cheers Chris 

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> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:38:17 +1100
> From: scropper@netspace.net.au
> To: nick__hall@hotmail.com; gramps-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Sources in GRAMPS
>
> Nick,
>
> [snip]
>
> >> [SOURCE OBJECT]
> >> -> NOTE TAB: URL to SPECIFIC PAGE inserted in body of note.
> >> This becomes a hyperlink. It would be preferable if an
> >> Internet Tab similar to what is available in the Repository
> >> Section.
>
> > Does this note contain all the links for all the events that referenced
> > the source, or do you have one note per reference?
> >
> > I assume the link is a duplicate of the entry in the source reference
> > object of the event (above).
>
> There is a 1:1 relationship between an EVENT OBJECT and SOURCE OBJECT.
> That is the SOURCE is the evidence supporting an EVENT. It is possible
> to have multiple documents supporting data stored in an EVENT and I
> would have separate SOURCE OBJECTS for each. In the absence of an
> Internet Tab for Sources, this technique does generate a NOTE for each
> SOURCE OBJECT.
>
> For example,
>
> For an immigration event I night have my parents documents, my aunts
> photographs, the Australian Government Records and Ship Log. Each would
> have a separate SOURCE OBJECT with associated MEDIA OBJECT referenced in
> the Gallery Tab. Each SOURCE OBJECT would also be linked to a REPOSITORY.
>
> To give you an even more specific example, I can see my family on the
> the Immigration Records recorded on the National Archives of Australia
> (NAoA) Database.
>
> PERSON OBJECT (many, one per family member)
>
> EVENT OBJECT (shared): Immigration
>
> SOURCE OBJECT (1:1 with EVENT OBJECT): Record on NAoA Database
>
> NOTE (1:1 with SOURCE OBJECT): URL to page on the NAoA database.
>
> GALLERY OBJECT (1:1 with SOURCE OBJECT): PDF file showing page printed
> from NAoA database.
>
> REPOSITORY OBJECT (1:1 with SOURCE OBJECT, although in reverse a
> repository would have many source documents referenced): The URL stored
> inthis object is just the home page for the NAoA database not the
> specific page showing y family records.
>
> >> -> GALLERY TAB: Link to [Media Object] pointing to stored copy of
> >> Internet document in MediaObjects4SourceGallery subdirectory.
> >
> > This will contain a large number of images for large sources. Have you
> > seen the GEPS for large sources?
> >
> > http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=GEPS_023:_Storing_data_from_large_sources
>
> Interesting.
>
> The first option differs from my paradigm in that the author is treating
> the source in the same way as I am treating the repository, whereas in
> the second option they introduce a non-existent 'Citation Object' to
> site between the event and source (this is comparable to my paradigm
> except the my 'source' is the 'citation' object and my 'repository' is
> their 'source' object.
>
> I suppose the point here is that GRAMPS lacks at the moment the
> resolution to store detailed citation data.
>
> Something else I am not clear about is, if the source points to the NAoA
> Database and the Citation Points to the Item Number (essentially a
> record displayed on the page) what is the repository? The Internet? This
> would be the equivalent object to a library or something wouldn't it?
>
> >> -> REPOSITORY TAB: Link to [Repository Object] for master database
> >> e.g. National Archives of Australia Home Page) that the data was
> >> extracted from.
> >>
> >> [REPOSITORY OBJECT]
> >> -> INTERNET TAB: Add URL to 'Home Page' of repository.
> >>
> >> NOTE: Although I have stored links to the main pages of commonly
> >> accessed Internet Resources on my computer, this information can
> >> easily be stored in the 'Repository Section' of Gramps. You can add
> >> the websites home page in the 'Internet Tab' and this appears in
> >> the summary page. My only gripe is that the displayed link is not
> >> active. It would be valuable if the Home URL link could be clicked,
> >> essentially eliminating the need for storing Internet links on your
> >> computer.
> >
> > In Gramps 3.3, we are introducing a bottombar which will contain details
> > of the active objects selected in views.
> >
> > In the repositories view, I was considering a details page that would
> > display the address, web page and email address. We could make the
> > internet links clickable.
>
> Ideally I would like to see an 'Internet Tab' for all objects. At
> present this is available only for some objects. With this each object
> editor should have the ability to click these URL links to open the
> source in a browser.
>
> I know this sounds excessive but my research, both genealogical and
> other, has shown me that a lot of information that is contained in
> traditional resources (book in library) are being duplicated on the web.
> Same resource, just another format. I find most research tools (e.g.
> bibliographic databases like Zotero) have problems with this paradigm
> (i.e. multiple formats of a particular document).
>
> An example would be a historical book that has been scanned and released
> on the Internet, A family portrait that someone has posted on their
> Facebook Page and appears in other peoples online 'family histories'.
> Where possible I like to cite the original then supply a URL to
> alternative sources in different formats.
>
> I am finding the same problem with genealogical research, especially as
> people migrate away from going to the state library to searching online
> databases.
>
> Cheers Simon
>
>
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