On 19 Mar 2013, at 18:19, Enno Borgsteede wrote:

Hi Tim,
First, about the console window disappearing. Thatís a logical thing, because itís a Python window, so if Gramps quits, so will the window, leaving no time to grab any error message whatsoever. Because of that, its use is limited to expert users who may want to see warnings while Gramps is running, nothing else.
Knowing that the average user does not make his/her own batch files, like Helge does, I think we can better concentrate on the Gramps Env, which like I wrote earlier is a genuine cmd window, with everything in place to run gramps in a terminal. You type gramps, just like you do that in Linux, and add command line options where needed, as instructed by our help crew or the Wiki. No need to add pause or anything, because that cmd window will still be there when anything goes wrong, unless someone is smart enough to crash cmd itself.

Thanks for the extra information.

Let me suggest something, and we'll see whether that makes things clear.

What I suggest is that in MS Windows AIO there be only one icon, namely the "GrampsAIO36 <version>" or "GrampsAIO36 <version>" one. Then in that startup instructions [1], we would just tell users to click on that or on the Start->GrampsAIO menu item with the same name.

Then in "seeing all the error messages" [2] and "start Gramps from the command line" [3] we tell users to select the "GrampsAIO <version. Env" from the Start->GrampsAIO menu item.

In other words we do away with the "GrampsAIO <version> Console" altogether.

Now, if there really is some reason why Aunt Martha needs to console item, then please let me know, because I still don't know what it is for. (I know what it does, but that is not the same thing as knowing what it is for).

Good is as much about what you leave out as what you put in! (I never thought I would write that, but it is difficult to write the Wiki [1] with it there.


Since I already uninstalled 3.4.2 AIO, assuming that 3.4.3 AIO would be available, I canít give you all menu options, but I will give them once 3.4.3 AIO is there.

[1] http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gramps_4.0_Wiki_Manual_-_Getting_started#MS_Windows
[2] http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gramps_4.0_Wiki_Manual_-_Main_Window#Seeing_all_the_error_messages
[3] http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gramps_4.0_Wiki_Manual_-_Command_Line#MS_Windows