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From: Matthew S. <ma...@ja...> - 2002-12-02 19:00:52
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Testing SF archival from javalobby lists. Please ignore. _______________________________________________ JL-Volunteers mailing list JL-...@ma... http://cato.usermagnet.com/mailman/listinfo/jl-volunteers |
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From: Igor S. <ig...@vi...> - 2002-12-02 18:59:15
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Matthew, Thanks, this is it. I've just wanted to mention it for what it worth. I do think that having session beans up front and have app server take care of connection pooling, transaction, concurrence, clustering can be still very useful with hibernate, but it's really depends how useful all these are for the gotjava. Matthew E. Porter wrote: > Igor: > Here is the link to which I think yo were referring: > http://hibernate.bluemars.net/15.html#5 . I thought this meant they > recommended this as opposed to Entity Beans. But who knows given how > vague it is? > > > > -matthew > > On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 11:29 AM, Igor Stelmashenko wrote: > >> Although I can not find this link at the moment, but I remember reading >> that hibernate docs recommends to have a Session Bean on the front >> of the code which uses persistent framework, for example in case >> of jobs it cuuld be a "ResumeBean" with methoods such us updateResume, >> findByArea etc. >> >> Matthew E. Porter wrote: >> >>> At this time, it does not appear that we need an EJB container. I >>> personally am not a big fan of EJBs, especially CMPs. However, there >>> are places where EJBs are appropriate. At this time, I am not ready >>> to state there will never be EJBs in the system. >>> -matthew >>> On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 07:03 AM, Matthew Schmidt wrote: >>> >>>> Team, Since we're going to be using Hibernate as a persistance >>>> engine, do we need an entity engine (EJB) to run JLCP anymore (once >>>> the polls are converted that is)? If not, then we can package up a >>>> standalone eventually with nothing more than Tomcat instead of >>> >>>> JBoss. >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> JL-Volunteers mailing list >>>> JL-...@ma... >>>> http://cato.usermagnet.com/mailman/listinfo/jl-volunteers >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> JL-Volunteers mailing list >>> JL-...@ma... >>> http://cato.usermagnet.com/mailman/listinfo/jl-volunteers >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> JL-Volunteers mailing list >> JL-...@ma... >> http://cato.usermagnet.com/mailman/listinfo/jl-volunteers > > > _______________________________________________ > JL-Volunteers mailing list > JL-...@ma... > http://cato.usermagnet.com/mailman/listinfo/jl-volunteers > _______________________________________________ JL-Volunteers mailing list JL-...@ma... http://cato.usermagnet.com/mailman/listinfo/jl-volunteers |
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From: Matthew S. <ma...@ja...> - 2002-12-02 18:46:07
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Igor,
The first goal is to use the software we create to run a set of
sites in the Javalobby network. These include the new JavaJobs,
JCentral, GotJava (eventually), etc. While we're doing this, we also
want to make sure that we don't create something that is unusable to
others. In the Java space, I don't feel that there is something as easy
to use for communities as say PhpNuke has in the Php+Apache sphere. You
are right that our first goal is to create a community that helps out
all developers and users alike, it just happens to be a nice side effect
that the software we are creating will fill a gap in the available
software to the Java community as a whole. That said, we will need to
focus on the content of our portal site once we have developed the
backend, as that will be just as important in the end.
Matt
Igor Stelmashenko wrote:
> Matthew, Team,
>
> I would like to bring up one question to see is there is a general
> agreement. I think this is an important question because it impacts a
> great deal many choices we are making plus what we are focusing on.
> The question is: Is our main goal is to create a service(portal) that
> our community will use or the main goal is to create a piece of
> software that others can use on their site. IMHO, those are very
> different goals and questions like application footprint, tier
> architecture, easy installation and others would have different value
> in both cases.
>
> The way I see it - we create the service first of all. Yes, our
> software is free(beer/freedom) and anybody can take advantage it, but
> it's the online community collaboration place/market place we are
> really after.
>
> Cheers,
> igor
>
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From: Matthew S. <ma...@ja...> - 2002-12-02 18:40:22
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Testing archival on a SF list from our mailing list. Matt Matthew E. Porter wrote: > Igor: > Here is the link to which I think yo were referring: > http://hibernate.bluemars.net/15.html#5 . I thought this meant they > recommended this as opposed to Entity Beans. But who knows given how > vague it is? > > > > -matthew > > On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 11:29 AM, Igor Stelmashenko wrote: > >> Although I can not find this link at the moment, but I remember reading >> that hibernate docs recommends to have a Session Bean on the front >> of the code which uses persistent framework, for example in case >> of jobs it cuuld be a "ResumeBean" with methoods such us updateResume, >> findByArea etc. >> >> Matthew E. Porter wrote: >> >>> At this time, it does not appear that we need an EJB container. I >>> personally am not a big fan of EJBs, especially CMPs. However, there >>> are places where EJBs are appropriate. At this time, I am not ready >>> to state there will never be EJBs in the system. >>> -matthew >>> On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 07:03 AM, Matthew Schmidt wrote: >>> >>>> Team, Since we're going to be using Hibernate as a persistance >>>> engine, do we need an entity engine (EJB) to run JLCP anymore (once >>>> the polls are converted that is)? If not, then we can package up a >>>> standalone eventually with nothing more than Tomcat instead of >>> >>>> JBoss. >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> JL-Volunteers mailing list >>>> JL-...@ma... >>>> http://cato.usermagnet.com/mailman/listinfo/jl-volunteers >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> JL-Volunteers mailing list >>> JL-...@ma... >>> http://cato.usermagnet.com/mailman/listinfo/jl-volunteers >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> JL-Volunteers mailing list >> JL-...@ma... >> http://cato.usermagnet.com/mailman/listinfo/jl-volunteers > > > _______________________________________________ > JL-Volunteers mailing list > JL-...@ma... > http://cato.usermagnet.com/mailman/listinfo/jl-volunteers _______________________________________________ JL-Volunteers mailing list JL-...@ma... http://cato.usermagnet.com/mailman/listinfo/jl-volunteers |
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From: Igor S. <ig...@vi...> - 2002-12-02 18:40:22
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Matthew, Team, I would like to bring up one question to see is there is a general agreement. I think this is an important question because it impacts a great deal many choices we are making plus what we are focusing on. The question is: Is our main goal is to create a service(portal) that our community will use or the main goal is to create a piece of software that others can use on their site. IMHO, those are very different goals and questions like application footprint, tier architecture, easy installation and others would have different value in both cases. The way I see it - we create the service first of all. Yes, our software is free(beer/freedom) and anybody can take advantage it, but it's the online community collaboration place/market place we are really after. Cheers, igor _______________________________________________ JL-Volunteers mailing list JL-...@ma... http://cato.usermagnet.com/mailman/listinfo/jl-volunteers |
