Re: [gentle] Gentle-HEAD under .NET 2.0 question

[<marconcini@gm...>]

On Apr 26, 2007, at 8:29 PM, Neil McEntaggart wrote:

> Hi Martin.
Hi Neil,

>
> I work with Bill. We get a few warnings but they are mostly to do =20
> with stuff that has been moved about in the project files in VS2005 =20=

> - like the strong name attributes etc. we also made a couple of
Yeah, I am trying and I got some warnings regarding "obsolete" stuff, =20=

plus the KeySigning in the assemblies.

> changes to support nullable types, at least on SQL server, that we =20
> would be happy to share.
That'd be great and I'd appreciate it :)

Thanks in advance,


--
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=93If you can talk brilliantly about a problem, it can create the =20
consoling illusion that it has been mastered.=94 Stanley Kubrick

Re: [gentle] Gentle-HEAD under .NET 2.0 question

[Neil McEntaggart <mcentaggart@gm...>]

Hi Martin.

I work with Bill. We get a few warnings but they are mostly to do with stuf=
f
that has been moved about in the project files in VS2005 - like the strong
name attributes etc. we also made a couple of changes to support nullable
types, at least on SQL server, that we would be happy to share.

Neil

On 4/26/07, Mart=EDn Marconcini <marconcini@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Bill Sorensen wrote:
>
> > Yes; it works fine.  You don't get all the benefits of generics/
> > nullables out of the box, though.
> Thanks Bill, did you get too many warnings and stuff or was "kind of
> plug and play"?
>
>
> Martin.
>
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Re: [gentle] Gentle-HEAD under .NET 2.0 question

[<marconcini@gm...>]

On Apr 26, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Bill Sorensen wrote:

> Yes; it works fine.  You don't get all the benefits of generics/ 
> nullables out of the box, though.
Thanks Bill, did you get too many warnings and stuff or was "kind of  
plug and play"?


Martin.

Re: [gentle] Gentle-HEAD under .NET 2.0 question

[Bill Sorensen <bsorensen@id...>]

Yes; it works fine.  You don't get all the benefits of =
generics/nullables out of the box, though.

Bill Sorensen
Objects and Infrastructure
Integrated DNA Technologies


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From: gopf-devel-bounces@... =
[mailto:gopf-devel-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mart=EDn =
Marconcini
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:57 AM
To: Developer's List Gentle
Subject: [gentle] Gentle-HEAD under .NET 2.0 question

Hi List, long time to talk :)

Has anybody compiled/used Gentle 1.x under .NET 2.0 ?

Thanks for any info.

--
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"If you can talk brilliantly about a problem, it can create the =
consoling illusion that it has been mastered." Stanley Kubrick

[gentle] Gentle-HEAD under .NET 2.0 question

[<marconcini@gm...>]

Hi List, long time to talk :)

Has anybody compiled/used Gentle 1.x under .NET 2.0 ?

Thanks for any info.

--
Mart=EDn Marconcini
=93If you can talk brilliantly about a problem, it can create the =20
consoling illusion that it has been mastered.=94 Stanley Kubrick

[gentle] [Gentle] Automatic Audit trail

[Paul <paultsai@gm...>]

Has anyone given thought to providing an automatic audit trail option?

would be a cool feature.

-- 
Paul
Email - paultsai@...

[gentle] Too many connections for all DBs (?)

[<Drazen.Penic@ck...>]

Morten,

Can you please look at messages at the Sf.Net forum 
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1710192&forum_id=352276
and 
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1717571&forum_id=352276

Regards,

Drazen 

Re: [gentle] Gentle 2.0's Future. Also... looking formediocrecoders as volunteers for "other tasks".

[Jan Limpens <jan@li...>]

Personally, as a user of Gentle, a dozen of times at least - I would
love to have had a quite complete showcase app, showing gentle's more
advanced features (sql builder, more complicated queries,...). I could
scrape some knowledge of the test cases, but not enough.
I hear there is some kind of karma calculator, but so far I have never
seen it but would love to make its acquaintance.

-- 
Jan
 http://www.limpens.com

Re: [gentle] Simple question

[Bill Sorensen <bsorensen@id...>]

Here's an alternative method with parameter support:
=20
=20
   SqlBuilder vBuilder =3D new SqlBuilder(Provider, =
StatementType.Select, typeof(EventLog));
=20
   vBuilder.AddParameter("MfgItemID", typeof(int));
=20
   SqlStatement vStatement =3D vBuilder.GetStatement();
=20
   vStatement.Command.CommandType =3D =
System.Data.CommandType.StoredProcedure;
   vStatement.Command.CommandText =3D "dbo.GetMfgItemEventLogs";
=20
   vStatement.SetParameter("MfgItemID", aMfgItemID);
=20
   return ObjectFactory.GetCollection(typeof(EventLog), =
vStatement.Execute());

=20
Gentle is an object persistence framework; it's designed to work with =
objects.
=20
Bill Sorensen
Objects and Infrastructure
Integrated DNA Technologies


________________________________

From: gopf-devel-bounces@... =
[mailto:gopf-devel-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Sanders, =
David
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:07 PM
To: Gentle development
Subject: Re: [gentle] Simple question


Yeah, I dont have an object that represents these fields - and like I =
said, don't want to make separate objects for each dataset.  There will =
be dozens of these little queries that I just need to run, and will =
never be used for any sort of persistence.  I'm just looking to jack in =
to the connection / framework to have it run the query.
=20
A dataview is probably what I need - do you have an example for that?
=20
thanks
Dave

________________________________

From: gopf-devel-bounces@... =
[mailto:gopf-devel-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adolfo J. =
Pe=F1a
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:35 PM
To: 'Gentle development'
Subject: Re: [gentle] Simple question



This is how I would do it:

=20

Let's suppose that you have an object named Games mapped to a table =
named games and your stored procedure is named "select_games".=20

This is what you do.

=20

1.       Drop this in your Games class

        public static ArrayList CallGames()

        {

            SqlResult result =3D Broker.Execute("call select_games()");

            return (ArrayList)ObjectFactory.GetCollection(typeof(Games), =
result);

        }

2.       Bind that method to an ObjectDataSource's SELECT method

3.       Bind your ObjectDataSource to your GridView

=20

Because you are getting an ArrayList you will not get the GridView's =
default sorting and paging functionality. To get those you will need to =
return a DataView instead. If you need help returning a DataView just =
ask.=20

=20

Have fun

=20

Adolfo J. Pe=F1a

     =20

=20

From: gopf-devel-bounces@... =
[mailto:gopf-devel-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Sanders, =
David
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:12 PM
To: Gentle development
Subject: [gentle] Simple question

=20

I have a bad headache, and this project has me completely brain fried. J =
 Need a hand.

=20

I have a simple SQL Stored Procedure that I want to bring back the =
result of, via Gentle, just so I don't have to muck around with another =
data access layer.  I just want gentle to run the stored proc, get back =
the results, and then have those results in something that I can easily =
throw into a databound container - like a gridview.

=20

I can call the SP just fine with a Broker.Execute, but I can't figure =
out how the hell to get the SqlResult into something databindable - =
short of transposing it myself by looping line for line.  What am I =
missing?

=20

And no, I don't want to create a view, or another object.  I'm going to =
have a bunch of these little, semi-complicated stored procs that I need =
to pull in. (Its for a Dashboard style page that the user sees when they =
first log in.)  Everything else I've been able to get around just using =
gentle and creating views and objects.  After nearly 2 years of using =
gentle, I think this is the first time I've ever wanted to call a stored =
proc directly.  J

=20

Thx

D


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Re: [gentle] Gentle 2.0's Future

[Sanders, David <dsanders@op...>]

Aye.  I agree 100%.

Morten, is the complete list of current Gentle Bugs and Tasks in a
system somewhere where the community can see them and start working on
them?

My advice would be to get the bare minimum of tasks together into a
"Fasttrack 2.0" project to get it done and out the door.  Then perhaps
distribute those tasks amongst the community's volunteers.  I would say
that these tasks should probably encompass nothing more than a) fixes to
bugs and b) any refactoring that is not going to be viable as a point
release later.

After 2.x is out the door, and we have a stable version to base
everything off of, the other tasks we've talked about (documentation,
marketing, Accelerators) can be discussed.

If Morten can pull together a list, then we should possibly have a "kick
off" IRC chat, as Morten mentioned, and then those of us who do have
time and the inclination to contribute here and there can just jump in
and get to work.  But getting the full list of concise tasks, in a
trackable and assignable way, is going to be the key.

D

-----Original Message-----
From: gopf-devel-bounces@...
[mailto:gopf-devel-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Aleksandar Lalic
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:12 AM
To: gopf-devel@...
Subject: Re: [gentle] Gentle 2.0's Future

Hi Gentle-men,

like most of you I'm using gentle in my projects.

During the last 2 1/2 years  I had a pleasant experience building a few=20
(actually 7, to be precise) winforms applications using it. These=20
applications are being actively used in production environments by our=20
clients. Since my projects hugely depend on gentle, I really wouldn't=20
like to see it stagnate or, God forbid, die.
The fact that all of us have to face is that (at least so far) Gentle =
=3D=20
Morten, so it is my opinion that if we want to prolong Gentle's life=20
we'll have to stop taking things for granted and start being actively=20
involved with actual development.
I personally have no experience with G2 (still using G1 in all my=20
projects), but I'm willing to learn and help:).
So, I'll start digging into G2, get myself familiar with it and try to=20
help as much as possible.

So, Gentle has another vote;).

Best Regards,

Aleksandar


Morten Mertner wrote:
> Hi All,
>=20
> The intent of the post is to inform you all on the current status of
the=20
> Gentle 2 code base, as well as my current plans for it's future,
rounded=20
> off with some ideas for what could be done to revive the project.
>=20
> As you all know the code base of G2 hasn't really moved forward=20
> significantly over the last 6-12 months, and while it is functional=20
> there are lots of open tasks and stuff that could/should be added
before=20
> a public release.
>=20
> Over the past few weeks I have spent some time refactoring G2, with
the=20
> following goals in mind:
>   o Separate the repository/filter code from the Gentle.Persistence=20
> library into a separate project
>   o Use the provider model to allow any ORM to serve as backend for=20
> repository-based designs
>   o Add G2 as a provider implementation for the repository client
access=20
> library
>=20
> The motivation for this refactoring can mostly be boiled down to these

> two items:
>   o Save some of the effort spent on the project as a whole
>   o Provide me with a graceful exit while retaining backwards=20
> compatibility with G2
>=20
> I have checked in these changes earlier today, and while there have
been=20
> a number of breaking changes (class renames in=20
> Gentle.Persistence.QueryConstruction to avoid clashes with classes in=20
> Gentle.Repositories.ObjectQuery, and a new namespace for the=20
> repository/filter code), it should be fairly straightforward to port=20
> existing code to the new layout.
>=20
> I plan to continue working on this refactoring until at least the=20
> following is in place:
>   o Support for transactions
>   o Support for nullable types (and probably NullOption/NullValue from

> G1 as well)
>   o Unit tests for testing Gentle.Repositories using the G2 provider=20
> (G.R.Provider.Gentle)
>   o Integration of caching and events, if possible in an ORM
independent way
>   o Basic usage and functionality documentation (terse)
>=20
> This leaves some functionality originally in the scope of G2 as "on=20
> hold", including stuff like:
>   o Advanced attributes like Association and Expression not handled
>   o Database generation/alterations
>   o Database provider implementations beyond what is already there
>   o Automatic relation handling (i.e. ability to avoid having a
UserRole=20
> class)
>   o Eager/lazy loading capabilities
>   o Probably other stuff
>   o Sample project
>   o Documentation (verbose aka for the masses)
>   o Marketing
>=20
> Unless another plan is made, this would leave us with something
capable=20
> of (among other things):=20
>   o Fairly advanced class to schema mapping and associated query
generation
>   o Sophisticated and easy to use client data access library based on=20
> generic interfaces
>   o Unknown performance (compared to G1 which has proven to be quicker

> than most)
>   o Something that works and could be published
>=20
> However, if others have a desire to keep the ball rolling, I do have=20
> some ideas for making that work:
>   o Appoint a project manager to keep track of developers,
tasks/issues,=20
> and individual progress
>   o Appoint a build/test/qa manager to manage a build/cc.net server
and=20
> follow up on missing/failed tests
>   o Appoint a pr manager to flesh out what is needed and to find=20
> resources to get it done
>   o Find resources willing and able to contribute code
>   o Hold bi-weekly IRC/IM discussions amongst project team to ensure=20
> proper communication and information dispersal (you know what I mean)
>   o Be smart, and get things done ;-)
>=20
> Without a team to help drive the effort, I'm afraid I would probably
get=20
> stuck or be distracted again, so some structure and people with drive
is=20
> needed.
>=20
> Sorry for all the bullets - it's probably a side-effect from all the=20
> PowerPoint stuff I do these days ;-)
>=20
> It's late, so I'll stop here, but do let me know what your thoughts
are.
>=20
> Yours,
> Morten
>=20
>=20
>
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Re: [gentle] Gentle 2.0's Future

[Aleksandar Lalic <coyotelapa@ya...>]

Hi Gentle-men,

like most of you I'm using gentle in my projects.

During the last 2 1/2 years  I had a pleasant experience building a few 
(actually 7, to be precise) winforms applications using it. These 
applications are being actively used in production environments by our 
clients. Since my projects hugely depend on gentle, I really wouldn't 
like to see it stagnate or, God forbid, die.
The fact that all of us have to face is that (at least so far) Gentle = 
Morten, so it is my opinion that if we want to prolong Gentle's life 
we'll have to stop taking things for granted and start being actively 
involved with actual development.
I personally have no experience with G2 (still using G1 in all my 
projects), but I'm willing to learn and help:).
So, I'll start digging into G2, get myself familiar with it and try to 
help as much as possible.

So, Gentle has another vote;).

Best Regards,

Aleksandar


Morten Mertner wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> The intent of the post is to inform you all on the current status of the 
> Gentle 2 code base, as well as my current plans for it's future, rounded 
> off with some ideas for what could be done to revive the project.
> 
> As you all know the code base of G2 hasn't really moved forward 
> significantly over the last 6-12 months, and while it is functional 
> there are lots of open tasks and stuff that could/should be added before 
> a public release.
> 
> Over the past few weeks I have spent some time refactoring G2, with the 
> following goals in mind:
>   o Separate the repository/filter code from the Gentle.Persistence 
> library into a separate project
>   o Use the provider model to allow any ORM to serve as backend for 
> repository-based designs
>   o Add G2 as a provider implementation for the repository client access 
> library
> 
> The motivation for this refactoring can mostly be boiled down to these 
> two items:
>   o Save some of the effort spent on the project as a whole
>   o Provide me with a graceful exit while retaining backwards 
> compatibility with G2
> 
> I have checked in these changes earlier today, and while there have been 
> a number of breaking changes (class renames in 
> Gentle.Persistence.QueryConstruction to avoid clashes with classes in 
> Gentle.Repositories.ObjectQuery, and a new namespace for the 
> repository/filter code), it should be fairly straightforward to port 
> existing code to the new layout.
> 
> I plan to continue working on this refactoring until at least the 
> following is in place:
>   o Support for transactions
>   o Support for nullable types (and probably NullOption/NullValue from 
> G1 as well)
>   o Unit tests for testing Gentle.Repositories using the G2 provider 
> (G.R.Provider.Gentle)
>   o Integration of caching and events, if possible in an ORM independent way
>   o Basic usage and functionality documentation (terse)
> 
> This leaves some functionality originally in the scope of G2 as "on 
> hold", including stuff like:
>   o Advanced attributes like Association and Expression not handled
>   o Database generation/alterations
>   o Database provider implementations beyond what is already there
>   o Automatic relation handling (i.e. ability to avoid having a UserRole 
> class)
>   o Eager/lazy loading capabilities
>   o Probably other stuff
>   o Sample project
>   o Documentation (verbose aka for the masses)
>   o Marketing
> 
> Unless another plan is made, this would leave us with something capable 
> of (among other things): 
>   o Fairly advanced class to schema mapping and associated query generation
>   o Sophisticated and easy to use client data access library based on 
> generic interfaces
>   o Unknown performance (compared to G1 which has proven to be quicker 
> than most)
>   o Something that works and could be published
> 
> However, if others have a desire to keep the ball rolling, I do have 
> some ideas for making that work:
>   o Appoint a project manager to keep track of developers, tasks/issues, 
> and individual progress
>   o Appoint a build/test/qa manager to manage a build/cc.net server and 
> follow up on missing/failed tests
>   o Appoint a pr manager to flesh out what is needed and to find 
> resources to get it done
>   o Find resources willing and able to contribute code
>   o Hold bi-weekly IRC/IM discussions amongst project team to ensure 
> proper communication and information dispersal (you know what I mean)
>   o Be smart, and get things done ;-)
> 
> Without a team to help drive the effort, I'm afraid I would probably get 
> stuck or be distracted again, so some structure and people with drive is 
> needed.
> 
> Sorry for all the bullets - it's probably a side-effect from all the 
> PowerPoint stuff I do these days ;-)
> 
> It's late, so I'll stop here, but do let me know what your thoughts are.
> 
> Yours,
> Morten
> 
> 
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Re: [gentle] Simple question

[Sanders, David <dsanders@op...>]

Never mind, I decided to just "kick it old school" and grab the db =
connection from the broker and call it directly with a SqlDataReader.  =
Was thinking there was a more clever way to do it with Gentle, but I =
shouldn't try to be clever. J

=20

D

=20

From: gopf-devel-bounces@... =
[mailto:gopf-devel-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Adolfo J. =
Pe=F1a
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:35 PM
To: 'Gentle development'
Subject: Re: [gentle] Simple question

=20

This is how I would do it:

=20

Let's suppose that you have an object named Games mapped to a table =
named games and your stored procedure is named "select_games".=20

This is what you do.

=20

1.       Drop this in your Games class

        public static ArrayList CallGames()

        {

            SqlResult result =3D Broker.Execute("call select_games()");

            return (ArrayList)ObjectFactory.GetCollection(typeof(Games), =
result);

        }

2.       Bind that method to an ObjectDataSource's SELECT method

3.       Bind your ObjectDataSource to your GridView

=20

Because you are getting an ArrayList you will not get the GridView's =
default sorting and paging functionality. To get those you will need to =
return a DataView instead. If you need help returning a DataView just =
ask.=20

=20

Have fun

=20

Adolfo J. Pe=F1a

     =20

=20

From: gopf-devel-bounces@... =
[mailto:gopf-devel-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Sanders, =
David
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:12 PM
To: Gentle development
Subject: [gentle] Simple question

=20

I have a bad headache, and this project has me completely brain fried. J =
 Need a hand.

=20

I have a simple SQL Stored Procedure that I want to bring back the =
result of, via Gentle, just so I don't have to muck around with another =
data access layer.  I just want gentle to run the stored proc, get back =
the results, and then have those results in something that I can easily =
throw into a databound container - like a gridview.

=20

I can call the SP just fine with a Broker.Execute, but I can't figure =
out how the hell to get the SqlResult into something databindable - =
short of transposing it myself by looping line for line.  What am I =
missing?

=20

And no, I don't want to create a view, or another object.  I'm going to =
have a bunch of these little, semi-complicated stored procs that I need =
to pull in. (Its for a Dashboard style page that the user sees when they =
first log in.)  Everything else I've been able to get around just using =
gentle and creating views and objects.  After nearly 2 years of using =
gentle, I think this is the first time I've ever wanted to call a stored =
proc directly.  J

=20

Thx

D

=20

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Re: [gentle] Gentle 2.0's Future. Also... looking formediocrecoders as volunteers for "other tasks".

[<Drazen.Penic@ck...>]

>> And translation is an excellent idea!  Especially since Gentle seems to 
>> have a very international audience.

I don't think that translation is high priority. Gentle is for developers, 
and they probably know english quite well - MSDN and majority of online 
information is in english.
Tutorials are much more importatnt for beginners than translation.

drazen