Re: [Goanna-developers] Sourceforge or Origo?

[Colin A. <col...@go...>]

Maybe we can get the best of both sites in this way:

1) Do the migration to Origo, making the documentation updates as you suggest.
2) Update all the front entrances to the goanna project on the
sourceforge site, indicating that the project has now moved to Origo.
But don't make this a simple indirection. Just have it as an
additional (but HIGHLY prominent) link. This way Goanna (and Eiffel)
will still be visible on the sourceforge site.

On 01/11/2007, Till G. Bay <til...@in...> wrote:
> Dear all -
>
> as Origo matures, I am posting a follow-up on my question about the
> possibility of moving Goanna to Origo.
>
> Till G. Bay wrote:
> > Eric Bezault wrote:
> >> Colin Paul Adams wrote:
> >>> I received a bounced message directed towards this list from
> >>> Till, saying that there was difficulty accessing the repo, and
> >>> asking if perhaps we should be using origo instead.
> >>>
> >>> My thoughts on this:
> >>>
> >>> 1) It might not be a bad idea. But what would the pros of using
> >>> origo be? An obvious con that occurs to me is that Origo is far
> >>> less well-known than Sourceforge. I don't suppose this really
> >>> matters though, if there are positive benefits from using origo.
> >>>
> >>> 2) If there are identifiable benefits, and the concensus of the
> >>> active developers is to move, then the occaision should be used
> >>> to consider the structure of the software in Goanna, what should
> >>> be in, what shouldn't, what needs reviewing, what code is dead,
> >>> etc., and to plan an announcement for a 1.0 release.
> >> For what it is worth, here are the reasons why I don't want to move
> >>  the Gobo project to Origo:
> >>
> >> *) if we want Eiffel to be better known, I think that it is better
> >> to be hosted with other non-Eiffel projects by well known host
> >> rather than having all Eiffel projects segregated into a ghetto.
> >> (The same applies to the choice of licenses by the way, EiffelForum
> >>  license vs. MIT/BSD...)
> >
> > That's true. If we want Origo to rock we will have to provide a way
> > to connect it to traffic bringing sources.
>
>
> In the meantime we host more than 450 projects - mainly non Eiffel and
> non ETH. So Origo can not really be considered an Eiffel or ETH ghetto
> anymore.
>
>
> >> *) What are the guarantees that Origo will still work when Till
> >> will leave ETH? Or if/when Bertrand will leave ETH for greener
> >> pasture?
> >
> > If Origo is a success, I believe that the continued development will
> > be ensured. But at the moment it is too early to say if it will be
> > popular among developers. (it is with my students for now ;-) )
>
> In the meantime we are working on long term ETH independent financing of
> Origo. Furthermore I think we could give it a try to move the goanna
> repository here and then move it back if really i should be considered
> not good to have it hosted on Origo.
>
> I see one argument for this:
>
> It is a matter of a minute to make a svn dump and load that into another
> svn server. So migrating the code to Origo or back to SF would be really
> easy and we would not loose anything.
>
> >> As you can see, these are only political reasons. I didn't study
> >> the technical merits of one host compare to the other. Another
> >> political reason that one might argue in favor of Origo is that it
> >> is written in Eiffel and therefore it is our interest to make it
> >> successful as a kind of killer application. Decisions are never
> >> easy to make!
> >
> > It is indeed my hope to make Eiffel better known by showing Origo to
> > the world, but of course the traffic and popularity of sourceforge is
> > beneficial as well. My message before was because I couldn't access
> > the SVN repository on sourceforge anymore, but I then found out that
> > they had changed URL's - so that is solved.
>
> So to conclude I would like to ask you (the Goanna developers) again if
> you could agree to hosting Goanna on Origo?
>
> My main motivation is that I would like to improve the Goanna
> documentation, but I can't really be bothered to edit the html pages of
> the Goanna site on Sourceforge, but would rather have the wiki
> functionality of Origo.
>
> Thanks for your comments,
>
>         Till
>
> --
> Till G. Bay
> Software Engineering, ETH Zurich
> http://se.inf.ethz.ch/people/bay
>
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