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Re: [Gnv-help] Installing GNV on OpenVMS 8.2

[Novak, D. J <dn...@an...>]

Hello again,

  So our OpenVMS machine has never had GNV or any of the packages installed.  I've read through the documentation a couple times, and there are a lot of references to prior installs, but little on what would be a "fresh" install.

  My goal is to get MAKE working.  A few other bits would be nice, but not essential.  

  Do I start with downloading and building the "gnv-axpvms--83-make<blah>.zip"?  Or does one start with the appropriate file in the "GNV- Alpha" directory?

  Thank you,

  David

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From: John Malmberg <wb...@gm...> On Behalf Of John E. Malmberg
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 8:11 AM
To: Novak, David J <dn...@an...>; gnv...@li...
Subject: Re: [Gnv-help] Installing GNV on OpenVMS 8.2

On 3/21/2023 1:35 PM, Novak, David J via Gnv-help wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> We are running an old DEC Alpha with OpenVMS 8.2, and it's unlikely 
> that it will ever be upgraded.  However, we'd like to install GNV on 
> it, in order to have a BASH shell, along with MAKE and a few other GNU 
> utilities.  And since we're not all OpenVMS wizards, who dream in DCL,  
> having GNV would make our lives a bit better!
> 
> After reviewing the software requirements for GNV, I was saddened to 
> see that Version 8.3 of OpenVMS is required.
For many of the current kits, it is probably version 8.4 of OpenVMS, I would recommend only installing or rebuilding the individual packages, not the older full GNV kits.

The older full GNV kits are not actually compliant with the PCSI installer, and installing them can cause issues with the system disk that take a bit of work to recover.  There are some WIKI articles on the GNV site on that.

Also the Bash on the older full GNV kits is known to be broken, not sure why, but reports are that for the more recent full GNV kit bash is broken in different ways on Alpha than it is on Itanium.

The source and build procedures for the full GNV kits also does not appear to match some of the binaries in the kit, or appear to build correctly.  Hence the strong warnings in the WIKI not to install the older full GNV kits.

> Since upgrading is out of the question, what are our options for 
> installing GNV on this old DEC?

Your only option is to build from source if you have C Compiler for 
OpenVMS 8.2.   All the new GNV kits have the option to install the 
source they were built with.  The source for the new kits is actually

Some feature will not build correctly with the older C compiler as it did not handle the POSIX exit from main() correctly.  The current C compiler does.  The build procedure likely only works around that issue for the VAX/VMS builds.

OpenVMS 8.3 also had some significant improvements in the C library.

Most of GNV is known to build and run as far back as VAX/VMS 7.3.

I am currently unable to build and test GNV components on anything older than the free VSI Community licensed Alpha and Itanium 64 bit versions, and am not set up to build on their x86_64 version of OpenVMS.

As we do not have any active volunteers working on the GNV project, it has not been updated for a while, even though it really does not take much work in keeping the most of the packages current with the upstream.

Most of the individually packaged GNV components are set up for automatic Jenkins controlled VMS builds on update.

Regards,
-John

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Re: [Gnv-help] Installing GNV on OpenVMS 8.2

[John E. M. <wb...@qs...>]

On 3/21/2023 1:35 PM, Novak, David J via Gnv-help wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> We are running an old DEC Alpha with OpenVMS 8.2, and it's unlikely
> that it will ever be upgraded.  However, we'd like to install GNV on
> it, in order to have a BASH shell, along with MAKE and a few other
> GNU utilities.  And since we're not all OpenVMS wizards, who dream in
> DCL,  having GNV would make our lives a bit better!
> 
> After reviewing the software requirements for GNV, I was saddened to
> see that Version 8.3 of OpenVMS is required.
For many of the current kits, it is probably version 8.4 of OpenVMS, I 
would recommend only installing or rebuilding the individual packages, 
not the older full GNV kits.

The older full GNV kits are not actually compliant with the PCSI 
installer, and installing them can cause issues with the system disk 
that take a bit of work to recover.  There are some WIKI articles on the 
GNV site on that.

Also the Bash on the older full GNV kits is known to be broken, not sure 
why, but reports are that for the more recent full GNV kit bash is 
broken in different ways on Alpha than it is on Itanium.

The source and build procedures for the full GNV kits also does not 
appear to match some of the binaries in the kit, or appear to build 
correctly.  Hence the strong warnings in the WIKI not to install the 
older full GNV kits.

> Since upgrading is out of the question, what are our options for
> installing GNV on this old DEC?

Your only option is to build from source if you have C Compiler for 
OpenVMS 8.2.   All the new GNV kits have the option to install the 
source they were built with.  The source for the new kits is actually

Some feature will not build correctly with the older C compiler as it 
did not handle the POSIX exit from main() correctly.  The current C 
compiler does.  The build procedure likely only works around that issue 
for the VAX/VMS builds.

OpenVMS 8.3 also had some significant improvements in the C library.

Most of GNV is known to build and run as far back as VAX/VMS 7.3.

I am currently unable to build and test GNV components on anything older 
than the free VSI Community licensed Alpha and Itanium 64 bit versions, 
and am not set up to build on their x86_64 version of OpenVMS.

As we do not have any active volunteers working on the GNV project, it 
has not been updated for a while, even though it really does not take 
much work in keeping the most of the packages current with the upstream.

Most of the individually packaged GNV components are set up for 
automatic Jenkins controlled VMS builds on update.

Regards,
-John

[Gnv-help] Installing GNV on OpenVMS 8.2

[Novak, D. J <dn...@an...>]

Hi all,

  We are running an old DEC Alpha with OpenVMS 8.2, and it's unlikely that it will ever be upgraded.  However, we'd like to install GNV on it, in order to have a BASH shell, along with MAKE and a few other GNU utilities.  And since we're not all OpenVMS wizards, who dream in DCL, having GNV would make our lives a bit better!

  After reviewing the software requirements for GNV, I was saddened to see that Version 8.3 of OpenVMS is required.

  Since upgrading is out of the question, what are our options for installing GNV on this old DEC?

  Thank you,

  David
  Argonne National Laboratory

[Gnv-help] A serious bug in a very old GNV bash rm command

[Miller, E. S. <es...@sl...>]

We have been running a very old version of GNV on AlphaVMS (installed in 2002).  Recently we
encountered a bug in the  bash  rm -rf  command that had significant negative consequences for us.
A brief description of the bug (based on the observed behaviour):

   If the bash rm -rf command encounters a directory name that happens to match a logical name,
   instead of using the directory it uses the logical name.  If the logical name is
   a directory specification (including disk or root) then rm proceeds to delete
   files in that area rather than in the directory intended.

It seems very likely that this bug has been fixed long ago, but I thought it would be
prudent to ask anyway.  Our use of GNV is so minimal that we probably will not do a new GNV install.
so we may not test ourselves that this bug has been fixed  (We have disabled bash.).

If no one knows that the bug has been fixed, I could provide a simple .COM file that could
be used by someone on an up-to-date system to verify that it has or has not been fixed.
This test is very safe, and will not delete any files.

Thanks,
  Ed Miller   SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory

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[Gnv-help] Help us understand the effects of developers' personality on collaboration in OSS development

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Dear Apache developer,

We are a team of researchers from the Collab research group (http://collab.di.uniba.it), in the Department of Computer Science at the University of Bari, Italy. We would be grateful if you could help us understand the effects of developers' different personalities when they collaborate in the development of OSS projects.

Being an Apache developer, you are kindly invited to take a brief personality test (the so-called Big Five mini-IPIP test), which only takes *3 minutes* to complete (we promise!):
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We appreciate your participation. Thank you for taking the time for reading this email.

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Re: [Gnv-help] Looking for ia64-hp-openvms target C library in order to build a GCC cross compiler (host x86_64-linux-gnu target ia64-hp-openvms)

[David S. - A. L. <dav...@ad...>]

On 03/14/2015 10:46 PM, John E. Malmberg wrote:
> On 3/14/2015 3:31 AM, David SAUVAGE - AdaLabs Ltd wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> we are in the process of building a GCC cross compiler (host
>> x86_64-linux-gnu target ia64-hp-openvms).
>>
>> To achieve this goal, we need to get the ia64-hp-openvms target C
>> library (that is may be commonly called CRTL)
>>
>> any advise about how could we get them is most welcome.
>
> The DECC$SHR.EXE library is a component of the VMS operating system 
> and permission is needed from either VSI or HP to re-distribute it, 
> depending on what the exact agreement is between VSI and HP.
>
> A commercial developer can join the HP Alliance One program with a 
> company membership.  As far as I know, there is no charge to join.
>
> As an Company member of Alliance One, you will have access to VMS 
> distribution kits, licenses, and ECOs, and other resources.
>
> For VMS on IA64, I would advise contacting VSI as they have licensed 
> the right to develop future release of Open VMS on Itanium and other 
> platforms.
>
> I see the GCC 4.5.1 documentation claims support for IA64-VMS, which 
> usually means that it can do both native and cross compiling.
>
> Regards,
>

John,

many thanks for your feedback.

Regards,

Re: [Gnv-help] Looking for ia64-hp-openvms target C library in order to build a GCC cross compiler (host x86_64-linux-gnu target ia64-hp-openvms)

[John E. M. <wb...@qs...>]

On 3/14/2015 3:31 AM, David SAUVAGE - AdaLabs Ltd wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> we are in the process of building a GCC cross compiler (host
> x86_64-linux-gnu target ia64-hp-openvms).
>
> To achieve this goal, we need to get the ia64-hp-openvms target C
> library (that is may be commonly called CRTL)
>
> any advise about how could we get them is most welcome.

The DECC$SHR.EXE library is a component of the VMS operating system and 
permission is needed from either VSI or HP to re-distribute it, 
depending on what the exact agreement is between VSI and HP.

A commercial developer can join the HP Alliance One program with a 
company membership.  As far as I know, there is no charge to join.

As an Company member of Alliance One, you will have access to VMS 
distribution kits, licenses, and ECOs, and other resources.

For VMS on IA64, I would advise contacting VSI as they have licensed the 
right to develop future release of Open VMS on Itanium and other platforms.

I see the GCC 4.5.1 documentation claims support for IA64-VMS, which 
usually means that it can do both native and cross compiling.

Regards,
-John
wb...@qs...

[Gnv-help] Looking for ia64-hp-openvms target C library in order to build a GCC cross compiler (host x86_64-linux-gnu target ia64-hp-openvms)

[David S. - A. L. <dav...@ad...>]

Hello,

we are in the process of building a GCC cross compiler (host 
x86_64-linux-gnu target ia64-hp-openvms).

To achieve this goal, we need to get the ia64-hp-openvms target C 
library (that is may be commonly called CRTL)

any advise about how could we get them is most welcome.

Thanks in advance.

-- 

David SAUVAGE

Software Agile Architect, Director
AdaLabs Ltd - Mauritius
http://adalabs.com
+230 542 818 32
skype sauvaged
BRN C10097052

Re: [Gnv-help] Newbie installing GNV

[John E. M. <wb...@qs...>]

On 2/11/2014 1:57 PM, Wayne Johnson wrote:
>
>
> I have just inherited responsibility for maintaining our software on
> an Alpha and IA64 OpenVMS systems. I ran across GNV and shouted for joy,
> but joy had left the building...
>
> When I attempt to install this kit on our Alpha, I get the following:
>
> $ PRODUCT INSTALL GNV /SOURCE=[]
<snip>
> DEC AXPVMS GNV V3.0-1
>
>      Hewlett-Packard Company
> %DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling
>   \ODS5\
> %DCL-E-INVIFNEST, invalid IF-THEN-ELSE nesting structure or data inconsistency
> %PCSI-I-SPAWNEXE, error executing: @PCSI$SOURCE:[ALPHA_GNV.lib]PCSI_PRECONFIG.COM
> %PCSI-E-EXEPRCFAIL, product supplied EXECUTE PRECONFIGURE procedure failed
> -CLI-E-INVIFNEST, invalid IF-THEN-ELSE nesting structure or data inconsistency
> %PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failed
> %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error condition
>
> Any ideas what would cause this?

Nope,  I last installed GNV 2.8.x and have been working on rebuilding it.

LION> product extract file gnv 
/source=[]/select=pcsi_preconfig.com/option=novalidate

    1 - DEC AXPVMS GNV V3.0-1               Layered Product
    2 - HP I64VMS GNV V3.0-1                Layered Product

Choose one or more items from the menu: 1

The following product has been selected:
     DEC AXPVMS GNV V3.0-1                  Layered Product

Do you want to continue? [YES]

LION> search pcsi_preconfig.com ods5
$! If the installation is not going to an ODS5 disk, then the files will not
$ if .not. f$getdvi("PCSI$DESTINATION:","ods5")

Test on VAX/VMS 7.3

TOAD> x = f$getdvi("PCSI$DESTINATION","ods5")
%DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling

Ah ha,

The GNV kits need to be installed on an ODS-5 volume, and your system is 
giving an error message indicating that it is too old of a system to 
support ODS-5.

I am also not sure that the GNV 3.x kit binaries can be used before VMS 8.3.

See also:

http://sourceforge.net/p/gnv/wiki/InstallingGNVPackages/

Regards,
-John

[Gnv-help] Newbie installing GNV

[Wayne J. <wd...@ya...>]

I have just inherited responsibility for maintaining our software on an Alpha and IA64 OpenVMS systems.  I ran across GNV and shouted for joy, but joy had left the building...

When I attempt to install this kit on our Alpha, I get the following:

$ PRODUCT INSTALL GNV /SOURCE=[]

The following product has been selected:
    DEC AXPVMS GNV V3.0-1                  Layered Product

Do you want to continue? [YES]

Configuration phase starting ...

You will be asked to choose options, if any, for each selected product and for
any products that may be installed to satisfy software dependency requirements.

DEC AXPVMS GNV V3.0-1

    Hewlett-Packard Company
%DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling
 \ODS5\
%DCL-E-INVIFNEST, invalid IF-THEN-ELSE nesting structure or data inconsistency
%PCSI-I-SPAWNEXE, error executing: @PCSI$SOURCE:[ALPHA_GNV.lib]PCSI_PRECONFIG.COM
%PCSI-E-EXEPRCFAIL, product supplied EXECUTE PRECONFIGURE procedure failed
-CLI-E-INVIFNEST, invalid IF-THEN-ELSE nesting structure or data inconsistency
%PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failed
%PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error condition



Any ideas what would cause this?



--- 
Wayne Johnson,                         | There are two kinds of people: Those 
3943 Penn Ave. N.          | who say to God, "Thy will be done," 
Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, 
(612) 522-7003                         | then,  have it your way." --C.S. Lewis

[Gnv-help] vms_binutils - CC/AR, etc discussion on vms-ports.

[John E. M. <wb...@qs...>]

I have started a discussion on the future vms_binutils package on the 
vms-ports discussion list.

[Potentially wrapped URL]

https://sourceforge.net/p/vms-ports/discussion/portingprojects/thread/919080b3/

I am looking for feedback about what should be in the kit based on the 
current GNV contents for tools that do not have equivalent open source 
packages.

My primary criteria is if it is needed to run unmodified GNU Configure 
and make scripts.

My secondary criteria is does it closely mimic a Posix utility.

My third criteria is if it has some convenience to users, like the DCL 
utility.

Please sign in to sourceforge and post on the web url.

Feedback sent to me either on this e-mail alias or just to my e-mail 
address may be edited and posted on the vms-ports thread as appropriate.


There appear to be 5 packages that will be needed to run GNU configure 
scripts and make files.

Bash 4.2.45 - At this time, we are current with GNU.
coreutils 8.21 - This is one revision behind GNU
sed 4.0.2 - Beta posted is current with GNU.
grep 2.16 - VMS build current with GNV checked into Mercurial.
gawk - New version on VMS will be release at about the same time as 
other platforms.  It is about to enter beta.

gnu make 4.0.  Needs to have the GNV specific code added.

vms_binutils - Mostly programs that mimic posix build tools as mentioned 
above.

Once these last two kits are done, then it should be able use just those 
kits to build most of the other utilities in GNV.

Regards,
-John
wb...@qs...
Personal Opinion Only

Re: [Gnv-help] why does maven use /bin/sh -c ...

[Tim S. <tim...@bi...>]

On 03/01/2011 12:49 PM, Malmberg Family wrote:
> On 2011-01-13, Josef.Stadelmann wrote asking about maven and Java.
>
> As far as I know, the VMS port of Java has no direct integration with
> GNV, and maven is not part of the GNV port.
>
> So the question should probably be posted on what ever list supports
> maven as it is a generic question, and in over a month, no one has
> posted an answer here.

I don't remember seeing the Maven question, chances are it got lost in
my SPAM folder.  The traffic on this list is so low it makes it easy
to miss.

I have been working on a Maven port to OpenVMS.  I have succeeded in
running Maven and building a basic Scala/Lift project.  My work has
also resulted in changes to the Apache commons-exec library.  However,
I have not had the time to work on this recently (say last three months)
and have fallen behind in getting things back into the source tree.

There is also the fact that many other plugins for Maven rely on
the plexus libraries.  I have not yet attempted to integrate my changes
to commons-exec into plexus.  These changes are all centred around
spawning processes.

I have also made a point of not relying on GNV (except in the very
initial work).  Just because I am a traditionalist :-)

Tim.

[Gnv-help] Additional GNV help and information.

[John E. M. <wb...@qs...>]

Many of the issues that are being discussed here may have answers at 
this URL:

http://encompasserve.org/anon/htnotes/conf?f1=PORTING_TO_VMS

There are also updates to the source and some other kits at the 
corresponding FTP site:

ftp://encompasserve.org/gnv/

Regards,
-John
wb...@qs...
Personal Opinion Only

Re: [Gnv-help] why does maven use /bin/sh -c ...

[Malmberg F. <mal...@gm...>]

On 2011-01-13, Josef.Stadelmann wrote asking about maven and Java.

As far as I know, the VMS port of Java has no direct integration with 
GNV, and maven is not part of the GNV port.

So the question should probably be posted on what ever list supports 
maven as it is a generic question, and in over a month, no one has 
posted an answer here.

Looking at the archives of this list, there is almost no activity at all.

-John
wb...@qs...
Personal Opinion Only

[Gnv-help] why does maven use /bin/sh -c ls -1lna /djb3/... just to get a file attribute?

[Stadelmann J. <jos...@ax...>]

On OpenVMS, with JDK 1.5, and maven 3.0

I can download now perfectly forcing basic authentication toward our
proxy server.

But as downloading artefacts from repositories works now perfect, I want
to do bigger steps.

i.e. building the svnkit 

so here we go


IA64>mvn "-Dhttp.auth.preference=Basic --version"
Apache Maven 3.0 (r1036088; 2010-11-23 18:19:59+0100)
Java version: 1.5.0
Java home: /dkb3/java$150/jre
Default locale: en, platform encoding: ISO8859-1
OS name: "openvms" version: "v8.3-1h1" arch: "ia64" Family: "openvms"
IA64>
IA64> set default dkb3:[sw-projekte.asf.svnkit.tags.1_3_3]
IA64>
IA64>mvn "-Dhttp.auth.preference=Basic clean install"
[INFO] Scanning for projects...
[INFO]
[INFO]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Building SVNKit 1.3.3
[INFO]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO]
[INFO] --- maven-clean-plugin:2.4.1:clean (default-clean) @ svnkit ---
[INFO]
[INFO] --- maven-resources-plugin:2.4.3:resources (default-resources) @
svnkit ---
[WARNING] Using platform encoding (ISO8859-1 actually) to copy filtered
resources, i.e. build is platform dependent!
[INFO] skip non existing resourceDirectory
/dkb3/sw-projekte/asf/svnkit/tags/1_3_3/src/main/resources
[INFO]
[INFO] --- maven-compiler-plugin:2.3.2:compile (default-compile) @
svnkit ---
[INFO] No sources to compile
[INFO]
[INFO] --- maven-resources-plugin:2.4.3:testResources
(default-testResources) @ svnkit ---
[WARNING] Using platform encoding (ISO8859-1 actually) to copy filtered
resources, i.e. build is platform dependent!
[INFO] skip non existing resourceDirectory
/dkb3/sw-projekte/asf/svnkit/tags/1_3_3/src/test/resources
[INFO]
[INFO] --- maven-compiler-plugin:2.3.2:testCompile (default-testCompile)
@ svnkit ---
[INFO] No sources to compile
[INFO]
[INFO] --- maven-surefire-plugin:2.5:test (default-test) @ svnkit ---
[INFO] No tests to run.
[INFO]
[INFO] --- maven-jar-plugin:2.3.1:jar (default-jar) @ svnkit ---
[WARNING] JAR will be empty - no content was marked for inclusion!
[INFO]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] BUILD FAILURE
[INFO]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Total time: 6.099s
[INFO] Finished at: Thu Jan 13 14:05:34 CET 2011
[INFO] Final Memory: 4M/62M
[INFO]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ERROR] Failed to execute goal
org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-jar-plugin:2.3.1:jar (default-jar) on
project svnkit: Error assembling JAR: Failed to read filesystem
attributes for: /dkb3/sw-projekte/asf/svnkit/tags/1_3_3/pom.xml: Failed
to retrieve numeric file attributes using: '/bin/sh -c ls -1nlad
/dkb3/sw-projekte/asf/svnkit/tags/1_3_3/pom.xml': Error while executing
process. Child creation error: no such file or directory -> [Help 1]
[ERROR]
[ERROR] To see the full stack trace of the errors, re-run Maven with the
-e switch.
[ERROR] Re-run Maven using the -X switch to enable full debug logging.
[ERROR]
[ERROR] For more information about the errors and possible solutions,
please read the following articles:
[ERROR] [Help 1]
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/MojoExecutionException
IA64>dir

:-(

How can java catch file system attributes better?

Why do we use a Unix shell command to create a child prozess
(sub-process in openvms) by Java just to catch a file system attribute? 

Creating child processes is an overkill and slows down maven and other
SW when used.

This claim is placed - because not every operating system has by default
- a Unix command shell - to create a child process - to execute a
directory command - just to get a file system attribute!


But it seems that on my OpenVMS with default DCL command language, the
maven version 3 under java and a JVM attempts to place a command which
should create a child process just to execute a ls command used to
retrieve a file attribute. 

I call it a style break, we should not do it from Java and not assume
Unix or the like shells avail, 
or we are at risk that over time fewer system will support what maven
attempts to do.

Josef.Stadelmann
@axa-winterthur.ch

Re: [Gnv-help] Substitutions in PS1 Prompt String aren't working

[Visscher, B. <VI...@RJ...>]

Schlupp,

Actually, I would be curious to know if you make any headway on this
or other issues.  (GNV hasn't seen much activity so don't worry about
the bandwidth.)

In fact, some bigger issues for me are:

* The readline library does some really bizarre stuff sometimes (the
  cursor jumps all over the place and sometimes the command stack gets
  corrupted).

* The GNV startup apparently defines bin as a system logical name.  If
  you combine this with another bug that the CRTL uses logical names
  for what should be a relative path name rather than an absolute path
  name then this can be quite annoying.  (E.g., "/bin/foo" and
  "bin/foo" will search for the VMS name "bin:foo".
  Work-around is to use "./bin/foo" when you want the vms name
  "[.bin]foo".)  I can't convince the sysadmin to comment out the
  assignment.

In fact, I am listed as a developer in sourceforge, but I have been
too lazy/busy to investigate these issues.

Bruce

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Re: [Gnv-help] Substitutions in PS1 Prompt String aren't working

[Black W. <sch...@ya...>]

Hi guys,

now I had a closer look to the source code and found the problem: for VMS systems this ability is switched off by the macro PROMPT_STRING_DECODE (or more precicely, it's not switched on). I guess there are some unsolved problems but I will try to turn it on and recompile it myself. Maybe I can get it to work.

Sorry for my overhasty post!

Regards,
Schlupp

[Gnv-help] Substitutions in PS1 Prompt String aren't working

[Black W. <sch...@ya...>]

Hi guys,

I've a little question I'm currently not able to solve on my own, so maybe someone of you has an answer.

I'm working on an Itanium OpenVMS cluster and want to use some parts of GNV. I don't have administrator rights to install the complete package and honestly I only need the bash and some basic GNU apps like grep, awk, and so on. So I only extracted the executables und tried to get it to work and that was easier than I thought. Bash was working like a charm (after I set the PATH variable to be able to use the other commands from every file system location). But now to my problem:

The only thing not working is, that the PS1 environment variable is not working as expected. I can set it to whatever I like and the content of PS1 is displayed as prompt, but with no substitution at all. I would like to have the host name, username and so on in my prompt, but the escape sequences mentioned in the man pages do not work.

I thought that the version 1.4.something which comes with GNV might not support it, but I could see the substituion is done even in the sourcecode. Also the 'promptvars' shell option shouldn't be the point.

So does someone have a quick idea? I would deeply appreciate it!

Thanks in advance,
Schlupp

[Gnv-help] BIN system logical.

[Visscher, B. <VI...@RJ...>]

According to my sysadmin, GNV defines a system logical named "BIN" during system startup.  This is most unfortunate since the C RTL has this bug where it interprets "bin/foo" as "/bin/foo" if a logical named "bin" exists.

Of couse, I can work around by using "./bin/foo" but sometimes I forget.

I notice that when I run GNV bash it uses "/gnu/bin" rather than "/bin".  Is this system logical name really needed by GNV?  If not then can it be removed from the startup?

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[Gnv-help] INSTALLATION OF GNV

[phani s. <pha...@gm...>]

hi,
         I am new to Open Vms .I had copied GNV installation namely
hpvms.pcsi on to remote server using FTP.I am not able to install it.I
followed steps provided in the download page but its showing the
following message.

$ PRODUCT INSTALL GNV /SOURCE=SYS$SYSDEVICE:[PHANI]
%PCSIUI-I-NOMATCH, no products were found matching: GNV
%PCSIUI-E-NOPROD, no products were found on which to perform this operation
%PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error condition

$ PRODUCT INSTALL hpvms /SOURCE=SYS$SYSDEVICE:[PHANI]
%PCSIUI-I-NOMATCH, no products were found matching: HPVMS
%PCSIUI-E-NOPROD, no products were found on which to perform this operation
%PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error condition


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