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Re: [GMOD-devel] All GMOD mail lists should be migrated from sourceforge
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From: Don G. <gil...@gm...> - 2017-07-19 11:18:19
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PS, if you can get the e-mail lists of subscribers from sourceforge admins, along with mail archives, these lists can be reconstituited in any Gnu Mailman setup (e.g. as bionet has, or as you/others can run). It is my guess they were forced to hide the subscriber lists by some mis-use and then complaints from a subset of projects .. ask and you may be able to get the subscriber lists for GMOD groups. On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 7:04 AM, Don Gilbert <gil...@gm...> wrote: > I looked at sourceforge's changed mail list policy: this seems to have > been implemented with no warning to project admins (removing list member > addresses from your view) and then on top of that instituting this > one-month de-subscribe of list members : a badly planned double effect on > any sf projects. > > You should complain, loudly (IN CAPS) to those sf managers, at least ask > for a delay in their de-subsribing list members, to allow you time to move > your mailing lists elsewhere. > > As for moving list archives, they do appear to support your downloading > all the archived mails, in mbox format, which is what Gnu Mailman software > uses for archived messages. > > - Don > > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Chris Mungall <cjm...@lb...> wrote: > >> OK, so it seems the options are >> >> 1. do our own thing on AWS >> 2. bionet, Don's suggestion >> 3. google groups >> >> I worry about taking too long deciding as SF may start auto-booting >> people off the different lists soon. I worry particularly about 1 as this >> will take additional effort and it will be easy for this to fall through >> the cracks. I'm also not sure how much maintenance is required. >> >> I haven't heard any objection to 2. >> >> There seems to be sufficient voices against 3 to veto it (though >> personally I have had none of the mentioned issues, and for the OBO lists >> we're using this because it's the path of least resistance) >> >> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Don Gilbert <gil...@gm...> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Bionet still is running at http://www.bio.net/ >>> providing open discussion/news for biology groups, including still some >>> of the model organisms (arabidopis, zebrafish, and add-ons like corn, >>> medicago, annelida, ..). This is GNU-Mailman mailing list software (same >>> as sourceforge was/is). It is self-service mostly, I maintain the >>> hardware/software, keep spammers at bay, moderaters manage accounts and >>> moderation :) >>> >>> While this is now low-key, not many new folks find it in this age of >>> twitter/facebook/googroups, it continues to work and serve mail for those >>> who continue to use it (it still has Usenet cross links but not many still >>> use Usenet, ie. twitter without ads or owners). >>> >>> Genbank/NCBI folks still use their bionet.genbank to announce data >>> updates. Bionet was created/funed by Human Genome project way back (1988?) >>> so it has been up and running a while now .. longer than Google, >>> Sourceforge, or even NCBI. >>> >>> This isn't a push for GMOD to use, but if any among you want to look and >>> try, there is a "new group" form >>> http://net.bio.net/biomail/create >>> and you can look around at other groups traffic. >>> >>> About 100 messages / month spread over about 25 still active groups. >>> Flybase, Wormbase, Yeastbase (sorry mike) opted to run their own a while >>> back but those bionet.dros, bionet.celegans, bionet.yeast lists still exist. >>> >>> I own the bio.net domain (handed on from stanford, then in uk), and >>> could work out with Indiana U netowkr folks a gmod.org domain linkage >>> if you need that. >>> >>> - Don Gilbert >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Scott Cain <sc...@sc...> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for the feedback about Google Groups. I had some vague >>>> uneasiness about using it anyway, but since it was "free" I was willing to >>>> at least entertain the idea. No more entertaining. >>>> >>>> While I'm sure I could set up mailman on an AWS instance (and it >>>> probably wouldn't even need to be that big), I am worried about such things >>>> as security and the need for on going maintenance--I already don't have as >>>> much time as I would like to work on GMOD stuff. If mailman becomes a time >>>> sink, that would be a real drag. I guess I'll have to spend a little time >>>> thinking/reading about it. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Dave Clements < >>>> cle...@ga...> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I recommend strongly against migrating to Google Groups. We tried >>>>> Google Groups for the GCC2015 Mailing lists and we had lots of trouble with >>>>> academic institutions silently blocking emails from google groups. The only >>>>> workaround we could find was to also subscribe people with a non-work email >>>>> address. That was an enormous pain and it wasn't what people wanted. >>>>> >>>>> January-July 2015 is the only time I've used Google Groups >>>>> extensively, and that experience led me to conclude that I won't try it >>>>> again. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, I don't have a recommended alternative. GMOD and >>>>> Galaxy have been using Nabble for years to archive lists, but I don't have >>>>> any experience with them hosting email lists. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know how hard it is to maintain our own mailman >>>>> installation on GMOD.org. >>>>> >>>>> *In summary: Google Groups: Don't do it.* >>>>> >>>>> Dave C >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Scott Cain <sc...@sc...> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ah, I hadn't even thought about the idea of going the G suite for >>>>>> education route. I'll make a few queries about it, since I would really >>>>>> rather have the "gmod.org" branding on whatever we migrate to. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Todd Harris <tod...@gm...> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Agreed. I saw then ignored that email from SF. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Google Groups can be a little finicky sometimes but generally works >>>>>>> well for most users. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If we want to corral lists under the gmod.org domain, someone would >>>>>>> need to petition Google for a G Suite for Education account. That might be >>>>>>> more overhead than is necessary to just get some core lists up and running >>>>>>> before the end of the month. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Todd >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On Jun 19, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Chris Mungall <cjm...@lb...> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I think it's time to ditch sourceforge altogether. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Of course, we ditched them some time ago as a hosted VCS and >>>>>>> ticket system, moving to github, but we left the mail lists in place. Now >>>>>>> it's time to move these too: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > • Recently I got an email from sourceforge asking me to >>>>>>> confirm I wanted to remain on all sf mailing lists (non-confirmation >>>>>>> resulting in automatic unsubscription within the month). It looked a bit >>>>>>> phishy and I suspect many people will either not click or will not see the >>>>>>> email, and will silently drop off the lists. >>>>>>> > • it is now no longer possible for list admins to manage >>>>>>> members! >>>>>>> > • more spam seems to have been getting through >>>>>>> > Unless anyone has a better suggestion, it seems like migrating to >>>>>>> google groups is the best solution. This is what we're doing with the OBO >>>>>>> lists: https://github.com/OBOFoundry/OBOFoundry.github.io/issues/435 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > This may be a good time to do some spring cleaning, consolidate >>>>>>> some groups, formally abandon some others. And perhaps we can breathe some >>>>>>> life into some existing ones? gmod-architecture seems to get no love - yet >>>>>>> this is at a time when the model organism databases are consolidating their >>>>>>> architecture and community discussions would be most welcome! >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Here is the list of lists on SF: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > <PastedImage.png> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > A lot of these are either dead or were never really alive >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > A curated list of GMOD lists: >>>>>>> > http://gmod.org/wiki/GMOD_Mailing_Lists >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>>> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>>> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot______ >>>>>>> _________________________________________ >>>>>>> > Gmod-devel mailing list >>>>>>> > Gmo...@li... >>>>>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Gmod-devel mailing list >>>>>>> Gmo...@li... >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Scott Cain, Ph. D. scott at >>>>>> scottcain dot net >>>>>> GMOD Coordinator (http://gmod.org/) 216-392-3087 >>>>>> <(216)%20392-3087> >>>>>> Ontario Institute for Cancer Research >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Gmod-devel mailing list >>>>>> Gmo...@li... >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> https://galaxyproject.org/ >>>>> https://getgalaxy.org/ >>>>> https://usegalaxy.org/ >>>>> https://gcc2017.sciencesconf.org/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> ------------ >>>> Scott Cain, Ph. D. scott at scottcain >>>> dot net >>>> GMOD Coordinator (http://gmod.org/) 216-392-3087 >>>> <(216)%20392-3087> >>>> Ontario Institute for Cancer Research >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> ------------------ >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gmod-devel mailing list >>>> Gmo...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> don gilbert - www.bio.net - bioinformatics - indiana.u. >>> >> >> > > > -- > don gilbert - www.bio.net - bioinformatics - indiana.u. > -- don gilbert - www.bio.net - bioinformatics - indiana.u. |
