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Re: [GMOD-devel] All GMOD mail lists should be migrated from sourceforge
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From: Don G. <gil...@gm...> - 2017-07-19 11:04:59
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I looked at sourceforge's changed mail list policy: this seems to have been implemented with no warning to project admins (removing list member addresses from your view) and then on top of that instituting this one-month de-subscribe of list members : a badly planned double effect on any sf projects. You should complain, loudly (IN CAPS) to those sf managers, at least ask for a delay in their de-subsribing list members, to allow you time to move your mailing lists elsewhere. As for moving list archives, they do appear to support your downloading all the archived mails, in mbox format, which is what Gnu Mailman software uses for archived messages. - Don On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Chris Mungall <cjm...@lb...> wrote: > OK, so it seems the options are > > 1. do our own thing on AWS > 2. bionet, Don's suggestion > 3. google groups > > I worry about taking too long deciding as SF may start auto-booting people > off the different lists soon. I worry particularly about 1 as this will > take additional effort and it will be easy for this to fall through the > cracks. I'm also not sure how much maintenance is required. > > I haven't heard any objection to 2. > > There seems to be sufficient voices against 3 to veto it (though > personally I have had none of the mentioned issues, and for the OBO lists > we're using this because it's the path of least resistance) > > On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Don Gilbert <gil...@gm...> > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Bionet still is running at http://www.bio.net/ >> providing open discussion/news for biology groups, including still some >> of the model organisms (arabidopis, zebrafish, and add-ons like corn, >> medicago, annelida, ..). This is GNU-Mailman mailing list software (same >> as sourceforge was/is). It is self-service mostly, I maintain the >> hardware/software, keep spammers at bay, moderaters manage accounts and >> moderation :) >> >> While this is now low-key, not many new folks find it in this age of >> twitter/facebook/googroups, it continues to work and serve mail for those >> who continue to use it (it still has Usenet cross links but not many still >> use Usenet, ie. twitter without ads or owners). >> >> Genbank/NCBI folks still use their bionet.genbank to announce data >> updates. Bionet was created/funed by Human Genome project way back (1988?) >> so it has been up and running a while now .. longer than Google, >> Sourceforge, or even NCBI. >> >> This isn't a push for GMOD to use, but if any among you want to look and >> try, there is a "new group" form >> http://net.bio.net/biomail/create >> and you can look around at other groups traffic. >> >> About 100 messages / month spread over about 25 still active groups. >> Flybase, Wormbase, Yeastbase (sorry mike) opted to run their own a while >> back but those bionet.dros, bionet.celegans, bionet.yeast lists still exist. >> >> I own the bio.net domain (handed on from stanford, then in uk), and >> could work out with Indiana U netowkr folks a gmod.org domain linkage if >> you need that. >> >> - Don Gilbert >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Scott Cain <sc...@sc...> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the feedback about Google Groups. I had some vague >>> uneasiness about using it anyway, but since it was "free" I was willing to >>> at least entertain the idea. No more entertaining. >>> >>> While I'm sure I could set up mailman on an AWS instance (and it >>> probably wouldn't even need to be that big), I am worried about such things >>> as security and the need for on going maintenance--I already don't have as >>> much time as I would like to work on GMOD stuff. If mailman becomes a time >>> sink, that would be a real drag. I guess I'll have to spend a little time >>> thinking/reading about it. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Dave Clements < >>> cle...@ga...> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I recommend strongly against migrating to Google Groups. We tried >>>> Google Groups for the GCC2015 Mailing lists and we had lots of trouble with >>>> academic institutions silently blocking emails from google groups. The only >>>> workaround we could find was to also subscribe people with a non-work email >>>> address. That was an enormous pain and it wasn't what people wanted. >>>> >>>> January-July 2015 is the only time I've used Google Groups extensively, >>>> and that experience led me to conclude that I won't try it again. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, I don't have a recommended alternative. GMOD and Galaxy >>>> have been using Nabble for years to archive lists, but I don't have any >>>> experience with them hosting email lists. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know how hard it is to maintain our own mailman >>>> installation on GMOD.org. >>>> >>>> *In summary: Google Groups: Don't do it.* >>>> >>>> Dave C >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Scott Cain <sc...@sc...> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ah, I hadn't even thought about the idea of going the G suite for >>>>> education route. I'll make a few queries about it, since I would really >>>>> rather have the "gmod.org" branding on whatever we migrate to. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Todd Harris <tod...@gm...> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Agreed. I saw then ignored that email from SF. >>>>>> >>>>>> Google Groups can be a little finicky sometimes but generally works >>>>>> well for most users. >>>>>> >>>>>> If we want to corral lists under the gmod.org domain, someone would >>>>>> need to petition Google for a G Suite for Education account. That might be >>>>>> more overhead than is necessary to just get some core lists up and running >>>>>> before the end of the month. >>>>>> >>>>>> Todd >>>>>> >>>>>> > On Jun 19, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Chris Mungall <cjm...@lb...> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I think it's time to ditch sourceforge altogether. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Of course, we ditched them some time ago as a hosted VCS and ticket >>>>>> system, moving to github, but we left the mail lists in place. Now it's >>>>>> time to move these too: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > • Recently I got an email from sourceforge asking me to >>>>>> confirm I wanted to remain on all sf mailing lists (non-confirmation >>>>>> resulting in automatic unsubscription within the month). It looked a bit >>>>>> phishy and I suspect many people will either not click or will not see the >>>>>> email, and will silently drop off the lists. >>>>>> > • it is now no longer possible for list admins to manage >>>>>> members! >>>>>> > • more spam seems to have been getting through >>>>>> > Unless anyone has a better suggestion, it seems like migrating to >>>>>> google groups is the best solution. This is what we're doing with the OBO >>>>>> lists: https://github.com/OBOFoundry/OBOFoundry.github.io/issues/435 >>>>>> > >>>>>> > This may be a good time to do some spring cleaning, consolidate >>>>>> some groups, formally abandon some others. And perhaps we can breathe some >>>>>> life into some existing ones? gmod-architecture seems to get no love - yet >>>>>> this is at a time when the model organism databases are consolidating their >>>>>> architecture and community discussions would be most welcome! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Here is the list of lists on SF: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > <PastedImage.png> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > A lot of these are either dead or were never really alive >>>>>> > >>>>>> > A curated list of GMOD lists: >>>>>> > http://gmod.org/wiki/GMOD_Mailing_Lists >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot______ >>>>>> _________________________________________ >>>>>> > Gmod-devel mailing list >>>>>> > Gmo...@li... >>>>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Gmod-devel mailing list >>>>>> Gmo...@li... >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Scott Cain, Ph. D. scott at >>>>> scottcain dot net >>>>> GMOD Coordinator (http://gmod.org/) 216-392-3087 >>>>> <(216)%20392-3087> >>>>> Ontario Institute for Cancer Research >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ------------------ >>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gmod-devel mailing list >>>>> Gmo...@li... >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> https://galaxyproject.org/ >>>> https://getgalaxy.org/ >>>> https://usegalaxy.org/ >>>> https://gcc2017.sciencesconf.org/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Scott Cain, Ph. D. scott at scottcain >>> dot net >>> GMOD Coordinator (http://gmod.org/) 216-392-3087 >>> <(216)%20392-3087> >>> Ontario Institute for Cancer Research >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------ >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gmod-devel mailing list >>> Gmo...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> don gilbert - www.bio.net - bioinformatics - indiana.u. >> > > -- don gilbert - www.bio.net - bioinformatics - indiana.u. |
