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Re: [GMOD-devel] All GMOD mail lists should be migrated from sourceforge
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From: Scott C. <sc...@sc...> - 2017-07-05 18:33:25
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Thanks for the feedback about Google Groups. I had some vague uneasiness about using it anyway, but since it was "free" I was willing to at least entertain the idea. No more entertaining. While I'm sure I could set up mailman on an AWS instance (and it probably wouldn't even need to be that big), I am worried about such things as security and the need for on going maintenance--I already don't have as much time as I would like to work on GMOD stuff. If mailman becomes a time sink, that would be a real drag. I guess I'll have to spend a little time thinking/reading about it. Thanks, Scott On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Dave Clements <cle...@ga...> wrote: > Hi All, > > I recommend strongly against migrating to Google Groups. We tried Google > Groups for the GCC2015 Mailing lists and we had lots of trouble with > academic institutions silently blocking emails from google groups. The only > workaround we could find was to also subscribe people with a non-work email > address. That was an enormous pain and it wasn't what people wanted. > > January-July 2015 is the only time I've used Google Groups extensively, > and that experience led me to conclude that I won't try it again. > > Unfortunately, I don't have a recommended alternative. GMOD and Galaxy > have been using Nabble for years to archive lists, but I don't have any > experience with them hosting email lists. > > Does anyone know how hard it is to maintain our own mailman installation > on GMOD.org. > > *In summary: Google Groups: Don't do it.* > > Dave C > > On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Scott Cain <sc...@sc...> wrote: > >> Ah, I hadn't even thought about the idea of going the G suite for >> education route. I'll make a few queries about it, since I would really >> rather have the "gmod.org" branding on whatever we migrate to. >> >> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Todd Harris <tod...@gm...> >> wrote: >> >>> Agreed. I saw then ignored that email from SF. >>> >>> Google Groups can be a little finicky sometimes but generally works well >>> for most users. >>> >>> If we want to corral lists under the gmod.org domain, someone would >>> need to petition Google for a G Suite for Education account. That might be >>> more overhead than is necessary to just get some core lists up and running >>> before the end of the month. >>> >>> Todd >>> >>> > On Jun 19, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Chris Mungall <cjm...@lb...> wrote: >>> > >>> > I think it's time to ditch sourceforge altogether. >>> > >>> > Of course, we ditched them some time ago as a hosted VCS and ticket >>> system, moving to github, but we left the mail lists in place. Now it's >>> time to move these too: >>> > >>> > • Recently I got an email from sourceforge asking me to confirm >>> I wanted to remain on all sf mailing lists (non-confirmation resulting in >>> automatic unsubscription within the month). It looked a bit phishy and I >>> suspect many people will either not click or will not see the email, and >>> will silently drop off the lists. >>> > • it is now no longer possible for list admins to manage members! >>> > • more spam seems to have been getting through >>> > Unless anyone has a better suggestion, it seems like migrating to >>> google groups is the best solution. This is what we're doing with the OBO >>> lists: https://github.com/OBOFoundry/OBOFoundry.github.io/issues/435 >>> > >>> > This may be a good time to do some spring cleaning, consolidate some >>> groups, formally abandon some others. And perhaps we can breathe some life >>> into some existing ones? gmod-architecture seems to get no love - yet this >>> is at a time when the model organism databases are consolidating their >>> architecture and community discussions would be most welcome! >>> > >>> > Here is the list of lists on SF: >>> > >>> > <PastedImage.png> >>> > >>> > A lot of these are either dead or were never really alive >>> > >>> > A curated list of GMOD lists: >>> > http://gmod.org/wiki/GMOD_Mailing_Lists >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------ >>> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot______ >>> _________________________________________ >>> > Gmod-devel mailing list >>> > Gmo...@li... >>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------------------ >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gmod-devel mailing list >>> Gmo...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Scott Cain, Ph. D. scott at scottcain >> dot net >> GMOD Coordinator (http://gmod.org/) 216-392-3087 >> <(216)%20392-3087> >> Ontario Institute for Cancer Research >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Gmod-devel mailing list >> Gmo...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gmod-devel >> >> > > > -- > https://galaxyproject.org/ > https://getgalaxy.org/ > https://usegalaxy.org/ > https://gcc2017.sciencesconf.org/ > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott Cain, Ph. D. scott at scottcain dot net GMOD Coordinator (http://gmod.org/) 216-392-3087 Ontario Institute for Cancer Research |
