Re: [GMOD-devel] All GMOD mail lists should be migrated from sourceforge

[Dave C. <cle...@ga...>]

Hi All,

I recommend strongly against migrating to Google Groups.  We tried Google
Groups for the GCC2015 Mailing lists and we had lots of trouble with
academic institutions silently blocking emails from google groups. The only
workaround we could find was to also subscribe people with a non-work email
address.  That was an enormous pain and it wasn't what people wanted.

January-July 2015 is the only time I've used Google Groups extensively, and
that experience led me to conclude that I won't try it again.

Unfortunately, I don't have a recommended alternative.  GMOD and Galaxy
have been using Nabble for years to archive lists, but I don't have any
experience with them hosting email lists.

Does anyone know how hard it is to maintain our own mailman installation on
GMOD.org.

*In summary: Google Groups: Don't do it.*

Dave C

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Scott Cain <sc...@sc...> wrote:

> Ah, I hadn't even thought about the idea of going the G suite for
> education route.  I'll make a few queries about it, since I would really
> rather have the "gmod.org" branding on whatever we migrate to.
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Todd Harris <tod...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> Agreed. I saw then ignored that email from SF.
>>
>> Google Groups can be a little finicky sometimes but generally works well
>> for most users.
>>
>> If we want to corral lists under the gmod.org domain, someone would need
>> to petition Google for a G Suite for Education account.  That might be more
>> overhead than is necessary to just get some core lists up and running
>> before the end of the month.
>>
>> Todd
>>
>> > On Jun 19, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Chris Mungall <cjm...@lb...> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think it's time to ditch sourceforge altogether.
>> >
>> > Of course, we ditched them some time ago as a hosted VCS and ticket
>> system, moving to github, but we left the mail lists in place. Now it's
>> time to move these too:
>> >
>> >       • Recently I got an email from sourceforge asking me to confirm I
>> wanted to remain on all sf mailing lists (non-confirmation resulting in
>> automatic unsubscription within the month). It looked a bit phishy and I
>> suspect many people will either not click or will not see the email, and
>> will silently drop off the lists.
>> >       • it is now no longer possible for list admins to manage members!
>> >       • more spam seems to have been getting through
>> > Unless anyone has a better suggestion, it seems like migrating to
>> google groups is the best solution. This is what we're doing with the OBO
>> lists: https://github.com/OBOFoundry/OBOFoundry.github.io/issues/435
>> >
>> > This may be a good time to do some spring cleaning, consolidate some
>> groups, formally abandon some others. And perhaps we can breathe some life
>> into some existing ones? gmod-architecture seems to get no love - yet this
>> is at a time when the model organism databases are consolidating their
>> architecture and community discussions would be most welcome!
>> >
>> > Here is the list of lists on SF:
>> >
>> > <PastedImage.png>
>> >
>> > A lot of these are either dead or were never really alive
>> >
>> > A curated list of GMOD lists:
>> > http://gmod.org/wiki/GMOD_Mailing_Lists
>> >
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