Re: [Ginp-developers] Next Release...

[Doug C. <do...@cu...>]

Thinking aloud I have two reactions:

1 - This is bad because it is complex and hard to test, document and 
maintain the different versions of all parts of the system.  The user 
has Java, Tomcat, MySQL, ginp, GIMP and ginp server to set up and will 
get frustrated and install phpMyPictureGallery.  The Java API does this 
stuff so why do we need this extra complexity?

2- Cool we could do an Alien glow style, that would look awesome. GIMP 
is a good bit of software so why not use it to do what it does well.

I am not sure which way to respond.  I think if ( as you say ) it is an 
optional extra like the database the newbies do not need to touch it but 
the professionals can set up a auto copyright, watermark system.

Therefore if you what to play with this go for it but do not dump me 
with a maintenance nightmare and disappear into the Internet.

All the best,

Doug


Justin wrote:

> Doug,
>
>     Gimp can be set up as a server to listen on a local port for 
> script-fu commands.  We could have an option to do the thumbnails by 
> sending commands to this port over sockets:
>
> http://www.linux-mag.com/archive/2002-02/power_01.html
>
> Here's a perl example.  The example is how to make gimp resize images 
> via script fu!  It would just be an option.  We could fall back to the 
> java algorithm otherwise.  We could provide a shell script/bat to 
> startup the gimp in server mode on linux or windows.  We could even 
> write our how alien glow modes for thumbnails and distribute them as a 
> option in the configuration.  I always want to make ginp run properly 
> without relying on external programs but I think it would be cool to 
> have a image processing via GIMP's Script-Fu Server Option.
>
>
>
> Doug Culnane wrote:
>
>> "
>> What ginp is not?
>> ginp = Ginp Is Not a Picture manager
>> ginp = Ginp Is Not gimP <http://www.gimp.org>
>>
>> The management of the files is NOT part of the application because 
>> there are better tools for copying renaming and moving files.
>> Editing the photos is NOT part of the application because there are 
>> better tools for editing images.
>> "
>>
>> I do not want to program a image resizer / Cropper / alien glower.... 
>> So my idea was to use the file system and Photoshop or GIMP or 
>> ............  to edit the images and the ginp presents the collection 
>> for easy browsing, and sharing, searching......
>> The thumbnailing is bad quality because it uses the standard java 
>> libary which does relitively hi compression.  We could put in the 
>> ToDos the feature "confguration option for image quality" so users 
>> can say high quality thumbs are important.  We could also use the 
>> GIMP for alien glow stuff but I started the project with the concept 
>> of do well what you can do well with the web application and let 
>> desktop software do what it does well.  This can change but I still 
>> think it is not a bad brief.
>>
>> If someone coments about the software I am enklined to take it 
>> seriously (and give it a higher priority) because they are real users 
>> who can stand back and see what the real weeknesses are, therefore I 
>> am open to a solution but the cool thing about the ginp is it is very 
>> platform indepentant and simple.  If we rely on giMp then we start to 
>> end up like a lot of other *nix software which is a patchwork of 
>> stuff that is I nightmare to plug together.  (and windows users will 
>> just not get)
>>
>> Therfore I would say yes high quality thumbs option (implamented with 
>> better use of standard library or another lib) and encourage users to 
>> use their favourite photo editor on the files to modify them as they 
>> like and the ginp rethumbs if the file modiy date is newer than the 
>> thumb.  This is a strategy that aims to get the best from both worlds.
>>
>> An power ginp user can already put copyright messages on a file 
>> system of images with a script do we really need to program an 
>> interface for then to do this with a web application.  It could be 
>> cool but a lot of work.
>>
>> That is my thoughts on this but I try to be open to ideas from 
>> others, because sometimes they are right like the db thing.  So feel 
>> free to rethink this strategy and comment...
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> Justin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Doug,
>>>
>>>     One thing that we may want to do, as far as features go, that we 
>>> may not be able to do anything about is that I had a friend complain 
>>> that the image quality of the thumbnailing could use some work to 
>>> make it as good as professional image manipulation program.  Is 
>>> there another library we could use that does anti-aliasing on 
>>> thumbs?  It's not a super-high priority, as all the other gallery 
>>> programs aren't much better, it's just something for both of us to 
>>> keep an eye on.  Perhaps on Linux or even Windows we could have an 
>>> option to let the GIMP (How Ironic! Ginp using the GIMP) do the 
>>> thumbnail processing or do some kind of custom script-fu (Yes Gimp's 
>>> scripting system is called Script-Fu) to process the images?  That 
>>> way you could put copyright or other messages automatically on your 
>>> thumbs and images or add alien glow borders...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> Doug Culnane wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think all known issues are covered in the current release so it 
>>>> is good quality software.  It does not have many features, but it 
>>>> does what it does and does it well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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