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On Tuesday 08 June 2004 23:49, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> Good to hear from you Camille,
>
> I will update the Borges design ideas as you suggest.

Some thoughts about that in an upcoming e-mail.

> I'm currently spending my spare time working on
> http://mapbuilder.sourceforge.net and consquently won't have much time
> to focus on borges/generguide for a few months.  (Unfortunately I need
> to spend most of my time writing programs for people that pay me.)
>
> However, I will certainly like to participate in design ideas now with
> the intent that I get back into coding on this project some time in the
> future.

Good.

> Camille, is there anyone else on the Borges team?  What country/time
> zones are you in?  I live in Sydney Australia: GMT+10hours.

I am in France, and Fabian is in Argentina.
Other users of Borges that actively participate in Borges improvements are 
located almost anywhere.

> What rough timelines are you working to?

This is quite early to know as we are still trying to find people to help out. 
Though I'd like to have complete functional and technical specifications 
settled by early August with a detailed development roadmap. We'll know 
better by then.

Camille.

Good to hear from you Camille,

I will update the Borges design ideas as you suggest.

I'm currently spending my spare time working on=20
http://mapbuilder.sourceforge.net and consquently won't have much time=20
to focus on borges/generguide for a few months.  (Unfortunately I need=20
to spend most of my time writing programs for people that pay me.)

However, I will certainly like to participate in design ideas now with=20
the intent that I get back into coding on this project some time in the=20
future.

Camille, is there anyone else on the Borges team?  What country/time=20
zones are you in?  I live in Sydney Australia: GMT+10hours.

What rough timelines are you working to?

Camille B=E9gnis wrote:

>On Monday 07 June 2004 23:25, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> =20
>
>>Hello Borges people,
>>   =20
>>
>
>Hello generguide people :-)
>
>First of all I must stress that we just started a new phase for Borges, =
aiming=20
>at developping from scratch (or almost) a better system based on Borges=20
>functionalities.  Info about that found here:=20
>http://borges-dms.sourceforge.net/
>
>Generguide functionalities are very interesting and the Configuration Bu=
ilder=20
>quite handy.
>"Old" Borges proposes a similar mechanism through profiling based on the=
=20
>exclusion of elements with specific "condition" attributes. The advantag=
e of=20
>generguide approach is that it is completely DTD independent.
>I have also always wondered how Borges could import modules located outs=
ide of=20
>its own projects. Generguide includes from URIs looks brilliant to me.
>Finally, the fact that Borges V2 plans to extensively use xinclude makes=
 both=20
>projects merge more likely to happen in a smooth way.
>
>So I'd be glad we work together so that generguide functionalities are=20
>integrated into Borges V2 and Borges V2 possibilities are available to=20
>generguide projects.
>
>As I see it, generguide offers two distinct original features:
>1) ability to replace locally included modules by external modules refer=
enced=20
>by a URI.
>2) ability to exclude modules from the master document based on the modu=
les=20
>IDs, with a simple inheritance mechanism.
>
>To start with, I suggest you the following:
>1) Add external modules references functionality  to=20
>http://borges-dms.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BorgesSpecs
>2) Extend profiling mechanism features in =20
>http://borges-dms.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BorgesSpecs and=20
>http://borges-dms.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BorgesTechSpecs (Profi=
ling=20
>sections)
>
>Looking forward working with you,
>
>Camille.
>
> =20
>
>>I came across your project
>>http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/doc/project/Borges/ as I was installing
>>Mandrake 10.0 and noticed that Borges is quite similar to a project I'v=
e
>>been working on:  http://generguide.sourceforge.net .
>>
>>Our aim with generguide was to:
>>1. Produce a generic software developers guide
>>2. Produce a documentation system where you can selectively build a
>>document from sections of a master document based on a configuration
>>file.  We written a Web Interface to the configuration file so that you
>>can build it on the fly:
>>http://www.gisontheweb.com:8080/~cameron/cgi-bin/processconfig.pl
>>
>>Anyway, it seems silly to develop two competing systems in parallel and
>>I'm like to work out a way to merge the two projects.
>>
>>Are you interested?
>>
>>
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On Monday 07 June 2004 23:25, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> Hello Borges people,

Hello generguide people :-)

First of all I must stress that we just started a new phase for Borges, aiming 
at developping from scratch (or almost) a better system based on Borges 
functionalities.  Info about that found here: 
http://borges-dms.sourceforge.net/

Generguide functionalities are very interesting and the Configuration Builder 
quite handy.
"Old" Borges proposes a similar mechanism through profiling based on the 
exclusion of elements with specific "condition" attributes. The advantage of 
generguide approach is that it is completely DTD independent.
I have also always wondered how Borges could import modules located outside of 
its own projects. Generguide includes from URIs looks brilliant to me.
Finally, the fact that Borges V2 plans to extensively use xinclude makes both 
projects merge more likely to happen in a smooth way.

So I'd be glad we work together so that generguide functionalities are 
integrated into Borges V2 and Borges V2 possibilities are available to 
generguide projects.

As I see it, generguide offers two distinct original features:
1) ability to replace locally included modules by external modules referenced 
by a URI.
2) ability to exclude modules from the master document based on the modules 
IDs, with a simple inheritance mechanism.

To start with, I suggest you the following:
1) Add external modules references functionality  to 
http://borges-dms.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BorgesSpecs
2) Extend profiling mechanism features in  
http://borges-dms.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BorgesSpecs and 
http://borges-dms.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BorgesTechSpecs (Profiling 
sections)

Looking forward working with you,

Camille.

> I came across your project
> http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/doc/project/Borges/ as I was installing
> Mandrake 10.0 and noticed that Borges is quite similar to a project I've
> been working on:  http://generguide.sourceforge.net .
>
> Our aim with generguide was to:
> 1. Produce a generic software developers guide
> 2. Produce a documentation system where you can selectively build a
> document from sections of a master document based on a configuration
> file.  We written a Web Interface to the configuration file so that you
> can build it on the fly:
> http://www.gisontheweb.com:8080/~cameron/cgi-bin/processconfig.pl
>
> Anyway, it seems silly to develop two competing systems in parallel and
> I'm like to work out a way to merge the two projects.
>
> Are you interested?
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: GNOME Foundation
> Hackers Unite!  GUADEC: The world's #1 Open Source Desktop Event.
> GNOME Users and Developers European Conference, 28-30th June in Norway
> http://2004/guadec.org
> _______________________________________________
> Borges-dms-discuss mailing list
> Bor...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/borges-dms-discuss

Hello Borges people,
I came across your project 
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/doc/project/Borges/ as I was installing 
Mandrake 10.0 and noticed that Borges is quite similar to a project I've 
been working on:  http://generguide.sourceforge.net .

Our aim with generguide was to:
1. Produce a generic software developers guide
2. Produce a documentation system where you can selectively build a 
document from sections of a master document based on a configuration 
file.  We written a Web Interface to the configuration file so that you 
can build it on the fly:
http://www.gisontheweb.com:8080/~cameron/cgi-bin/processconfig.pl

Anyway, it seems silly to develop two competing systems in parallel and 
I'm like to work out a way to merge the two projects.

Are you interested?

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Cameron Shorter <ca...@sh...> writes:
> > I am going to write article/howto about mail filtering under Linux to
> > limit spam and viruses in your mail client.
> Great.
> > I am not sure if this fit to Generguide documentation set, but I would
> > like to put it in this project if possible and publish it on project
> > site somewhere.
> I don't think it fits into the Developer's Guide.  However, maybe it could be 
> the first document in a System Adminitrator's Guide, or a Linux User's Guide 
> or something.
> This brings us to the next stage of Generguide, which is how do we handle the 
> repositories for different projects.  Maybe we should change generguide 
> directory to:
> generguide/guide/software_developers_guide
> or
> generguide/guide/sdg
>
> and create
> generguide/sag (system administrators guide) or similar for your mail filter 
> howto.

I like this approach, however I know that sag (system administration
guide), nag (network administration guide), lag (linux administration
guide) are used by redhat for documentation attached to their
distributions.
Even if these names are not trademarked it can be confusing for people
if we will use them in our project.

I am afraid I don't have better idea though.

maybe: 'systools'

I am also sending this message to mailing list , maybe Sean have some
idea.

Artur
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On Friday 28 Nov 2003 7:30 pm, Artur Hefczyc wrote:
> I am going to write article/howto about mail filtering under Linux to
> limit spam and viruses in your mail client.

Great.

> I am not sure if this fit to Generguide documentation set, but I would
> like to put it in this project if possible and publish it on project
> site somewhere.

I don't think it fits into the Developer's Guide.  However, maybe it could be 
the first document in a System Adminitrator's Guide, or a Linux User's Guide 
or something.

This brings us to the next stage of Generguide, which is how do we handle the 
repositories for different projects.  Maybe we should change generguide 
directory to:
generguide/guide/software_developers_guide
or
generguide/guide/sdg

and create
generguide/sag (system administrators guide) or similar for your mail filter 
howto.

-- 
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Open Source Developer        http://generguide.sourceforge.net
                             http://mapbuilder.sourceforge.net
                             http://geotools.org
Senior Software Engineer     http://www.adi-limited.com

-- 
Cameron Shorter              http://cameron.shorter.net
Open Source Developer        http://generguide.sourceforge.net
                             http://mapbuilder.sourceforge.net
                             http://geotools.org
Senior Software Engineer     http://www.adi-limited.com

We are excited to announce that we have our first public release of 
http://generguide.sourceforge.net .

What is generguide?
===============
Generguide allows you to selectively merge modular docbook documentation from 
around the web based. The Generguide Configuration file is used over-ride 
Modular Document <xinclude> references and force module files to be imported 
from another location, or not be imported at all.

See the following URL for a dynamic demonstration: 
http://www.gisontheweb.com:8080/~cameron/cgi-bin/processconfig.pl

Generguide is particularly useful for tailoring generic business processes. 
 80% of business processes are common across the industry.  With generguide, 
common documentation can be edited collectively and referenced over the web. 
 This means your business need only focus on the 20% of documentation 
specific to your company.

We use generguide to tailor a Generic Software Developer's Guide: 
http://generguide.sourceforge.net/developersguide/developersguide.html

Generguide builds upon Docbook XML, xinclude, XSLT, and related 
technologies.

Status of version 0.2
===============
Generguide 0.2 is fully functional.  You can see it working at:
http://www.gisontheweb.com:8080/~cameron/cgi-bin/processconfig.pl
We still consider it alpha quality and I suggest you wait until version 0.3 
before committing your business to it.
They are a few design issues which we would like help with and which may 
change the structure of our configuration files and the way we use docbook.

Goals for version 0.2
================
* Find and network with people interested in similar concepts.
* Get future users to join our email lists and help refine our use cases.
* Find Docbook and XSL Gurus who will review our design and advice us on some 
design issues.

Are you a docbook or XSL guru?
========================
We want design advice on the following issues:
1. How should we implement variables within our documentation? Currently we 
use ENTITIES like &project_name; however entity files are not XML and hence 
hard to process. We are considering extending the Docbook schema to add a 
<variable> tag.

2. Generguide uses modular docbook, which means a docbook file can include 
another docbook node using <xinclude href="another_section.xml">. However, 
we have run into problems when linking from one module to another because it 
causes invalid xml. Ie, when the main doc contains <link 
linkend="an_id_from_another_section">. What should we do to avoid getting 
invalid XML?

Looking for a host
==============
We are looking for somewhere to host our generguide demonstration site, 
currently living at:
http://www.gisontheweb.com:8080/~cameron/cgi-bin/processconfig.pl

Contact us
========
Please let us know what you think about generguide.  We haven't talked with 
many people about generguide yet and would like to know if we are onto a good 
idea or not.
Join one of our email lists: http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=83647
Or email me direct: cameron AT shorter.net

Hope to be talking with you soon.
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Open Source Developer        http://generguide.sourceforge.net
                             http://mapbuilder.sourceforge.net
                             http://geotools.org
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Cameron,

Maybe you know about this CVS command, but if not it might be useful
for release generation. 'export' cvs command downloads whole CVS tree
but without CVS/ directories and files. It works similar to 'checkout'
command.

Example:
cvs export -r HEAD -d generguide-0.2 generguide

Artur
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Open Source Developer:
http://www.geotools.org/
http://generguide.sourceforge.net/
http://wttools.sourceforge.net/
http://maven-plugins.sourceforge.net/
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                             http://mapbuilder.sourceforge.net
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Cameron Shorter <ca...@sh...> writes:

> As you may have noticed, I've set up the sourceforge bug tracker and have 
> created a new mailing list which receives updates to bugs.  (I've already 
> subscribed you both).
Ok, good idea to have separate mailing list for bugs.

Artur
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Open Source Developer:
http://www.geotools.org/
http://generguide.sourceforge.net/
http://wttools.sourceforge.net/
http://maven-plugins.sourceforge.net/
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As you may have noticed, I've set up the sourceforge bug tracker and have 
created a new mailing list which receives updates to bugs.  (I've already 
subscribed you both).

-- 
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Open Source Developer        http://generguide.sourceforge.net
                             http://mapbuilder.sourceforge.net
                             http://geotools.org
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