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[Fxruby-users] Icons: Are any standard? where?

[Hugh S. S. E. E. <hg...@dm...>]

Now I have the beginnings of my TreeList working, I'd like to add
icons to it.  There are some folder icons in the examples.  Am I
free to use these in my software?  Are there stock icons that come
with Fox which can be accessed portably?  Are there any FXRuby
icon editors out there yet, as I will need to roll some of my own
anyway for this application?

        Thank you,
        Hugh

Re: [Fxruby-users] Icons: Are any standard? where?

[Lyle J. <jl...@cf...>]

Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:

> Now I have the beginnings of my TreeList working, I'd like to add
> icons to it.  There are some folder icons in the examples.  Am I
> free to use these in my software?

Yes.

> Are there stock icons that come with Fox which can be accessed portably?

I wouldn't call them "stock" icons. If you look in various 
subdirectories of the FOX distribution you will find some image files 
that are used for application icons (e.g. those for the Adie text editor 
application), and you are free to use those.

> Are there any FXRuby icon editors out there yet, as I will
 > need to roll some of my own anyway for this application?

You don't need an FXRuby-specific icon editing program, as icons are 
always constructed from standard image file formats (e.g. GIF, BMP, PNG, 
...). There are about a million free icon/image editing programs out 
there, for both Windows and Linux. Or you can take my lazy man's 
approach and just look for free icons that someone else has already drawn.

Do keep in mind that icons need to be either 16x16 or 32x32; these are 
standard sizes and IIRC it's a limitation of the underlying Window 
systems that they be this size.

Hope this helps,

Lyle

Re: [Fxruby-users] Icons: Are any standard? where?

[Sander J. <sx...@cf...>]

> Do keep in mind that icons need to be either 16x16 or 32x32; these are
> standard sizes and IIRC it's a limitation of the underlying Window
> systems that they be this size.

Could you elaborate a little bit more on this? FOX Supports any size as f=
ar as=20
I know...

=09Sander


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> Hope this helps,
>
> Lyle
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Re: [Fxruby-users] Icons: Are any standard? where?

[Lyle J. <jl...@cf...>]

Sander Jansen wrote:

 >> Do keep in mind that icons need to be either 16x16 or 32x32; these are
 >> standard sizes and IIRC it's a limitation of the underlying Window
 >> systems that they be this size.
 >
 > Could you elaborate a little bit more on this? FOX Supports any size 
as far as
 > I know...

Whoops, Sander is absolutely right. Icons can be of any size. I must
have been thinking about cursors (which IIRC must be 32x32).

Re: [Fxruby-users] Icons: Are any standard? where?

[Hugh S. S. E. E. <hg...@dm...>]

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Lyle Johnson wrote:

> Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:
>
> > Now I have the beginnings of my TreeList working, I'd like to add
> > icons to it.  There are some folder icons in the examples.  Am I
> > free to use these in my software?
>
> Yes.

Thank you.
>
> > Are there stock icons that come with Fox which can be accessed portably?
>
> I wouldn't call them "stock" icons. If you look in various

Is that perjorative?  Onelook dictionary gives the meaning I meant:
adjective:   regularly and widely used or sold (Example: "A stock
item")
which doesn't seem perjorative.

> subdirectories of the FOX distribution you will find some image files
> that are used for application icons (e.g. those for the Adie text editor
> application), and you are free to use those.

I did see a few, but no evidence of a central place to keep them,
etc.
>
> > Are there any FXRuby icon editors out there yet, as I will
>  > need to roll some of my own anyway for this application?
>
> You don't need an FXRuby-specific icon editing program, as icons are

True, but I need a program from a reputable community, I bet Icon
editors and similar are a good way to pickup spyware...  The GNU
imaging programs, OTOH, seem to go:
get gtk+, which requires libungif, which requires libpng, which
requires zlib which I can't get to build.
[Harris, R: "The Court of King Caractacus"] :-)

> always constructed from standard image file formats (e.g. GIF, BMP, PNG,
> ...). There are about a million free icon/image editing programs out
> there, for both Windows and Linux. Or you can take my lazy man's

Bewildered by choice, also searching turns up MUCH shareware, and I
really don't want to get into the international money exchange
problem again!  :-)

> approach and just look for free icons that someone else has already drawn.

Tried that, but I've found it difficult to search the licencing
aspects as well as the image with Google.  Maybe a better engine
exists for this pupose?
>
> Do keep in mind that icons need to be either 16x16 or 32x32; these are
> standard sizes and IIRC it's a limitation of the underlying Window
> systems that they be this size.

thanks for this extra point.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Lyle
>
        Thank you.
        Hugh
>

Re: [Fxruby-users] Icons: Are any standard? where?

[Lyle J. <jl...@cf...>]

Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:

> Is [calling them "stock" icons] perjorative?

Oh, no, and I didn't take it that way. I guess I thought you were asking 
something like, "Is there some set of standard icons that everyone knows 
that you're supposed to use in FOX icons?" -- and the answer to that 
question is no, just use whatever looks good to you ;)

> I did see a few, but no evidence of a central place to keep them,
> etc.

Exactly my point ;) You are free to use anything there, but they aren't 
"official" or anything.

> True, but I need [an icon-editing] program from a reputable community, I bet Icon
> editors and similar are a good way to pickup spyware...  The GNU
> imaging programs, OTOH, seem to go:
> get gtk+, which requires libungif, which requires libpng, which
> requires zlib which I can't get to build.
> [Harris, R: "The Court of King Caractacus"] :-)

OK, that's a good point. What Linux distro are you using that doesn't 
come with the GIMP pre-installed, though? Or at least available as a 
installable package? Note that I'm not "pushing" the GIMP on you, but it 
would surely do the trick (in a sledgehammer sort of fashion ;)

On Windows, I think I used to use one called Michelangelo (sp?) but I 
couldn't tell you if it's still around, if it was shareware versus 
freeware, etc.

> Tried that [looking for free icons], but I've found it difficult
 > to search the licencing aspects as well as the image with Google.
 > Maybe a better engine exists for this pupose?

Sorry, don't know if such an engine exists.

Re: [Fxruby-users] Icons: Are any standard? where?

[Hugh S. S. E. E. <hg...@dm...>]

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Lyle Johnson wrote:

> Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:
>
> > Is [calling them "stock" icons] perjorative?
>
> Oh, no, and I didn't take it that way. I guess I thought you were asking

OK, I was not sure.
> > I did see a few, but no evidence of a central place to keep them,
> > etc.
>
> Exactly my point ;) You are free to use anything there, but they aren't
> "official" or anything.

But there is no system-wide place where FOX will look for them, once
you have created them, either?

>
> > [...]editors and similar are a good way to pickup spyware...
> > get gtk+, which requires libungif, which requires libpng, which
>
> OK, that's a good point. What Linux distro are you using that doesn't
> come with the GIMP pre-installed, though? Or at least available as a

The one called DEC OSF4 :-) and Solaris9, as well.

> installable package? Note that I'm not "pushing" the GIMP on you, but it
> would surely do the trick (in a sledgehammer sort of fashion ;)

Yes, it seems very nice from what I have read.  I'm completely
confused about how to build that on Windows as well, but since I
don't have any compilers on there except within CYGWIN, that's
another (long) story.
>
> On Windows, I think I used to use one called Michelangelo (sp?) but I

Well, my best efforts with google still are clogged by refs to the
sculptor even with -sculpture -sculptor.

> couldn't tell you if it's still around, if it was shareware versus
> freeware, etc.
>
>
        Thank you,
        Hugh
>

Re: [Fxruby-users] Icons: Are any standard? where?

[Hugh S. S. E. E. <hg...@dm...>]

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Lyle Johnson wrote:

> Sander Jansen wrote:
>
>  > Could you elaborate a little bit more on this? FOX Supports any size
> as far as
>  > I know...
>
> Whoops, Sander is absolutely right. Icons can be of any size. I must
> have been thinking about cursors (which IIRC must be 32x32).
>

OK, thanks.  And getting a huge cursor under X is a long story too!
(Been there, done that, send corrections to Blinux faq! :-))

        Hugh
>

Re: [Fxruby-users] Icons: Are any standard? where?

[Hugh S. S. E. E. <hg...@dm...>]

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:

> (Been there, done that, send corrections to Blinux faq! :-))
Oops: s/send/sent/
        Hugh

Re: [Fxruby-users] Icons: Are any standard? where?

[Lyle J. <jl...@cf...>]

Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:

> But there is no system-wide place where FOX will look for [icons], once
> you have created them, either?

No.

>> OK, that's a good point. What Linux distro are you using that doesn't
>> come with the GIMP pre-installed, though? Or at least available as a
> 
> The one called DEC OSF4 :-) and Solaris9, as well.

Ah yes, I've heard of that "Solaris Linux" distribution ;)

> 
>> installable package? Note that I'm not "pushing" the GIMP on you, but it
>> would surely do the trick (in a sledgehammer sort of fashion ;)
> 
> Yes, it seems very nice from what I have read.  I'm completely
> confused about how to build that on Windows as well, but since I
> don't have any compilers on there except within CYGWIN, that's
> another (long) story.

I think you can get precompiled version of the GIMP for Windows here:

     http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32

-- Lyle

Re: [Fxruby-users] Icons: Are any standard? where?

[Hugh S. S. E. E. <hg...@dm...>]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Lyle Johnson wrote:

> Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:
>
> > But there is no system-wide place where FOX will look for [icons], once
> No.

OK.
>
> >> [...] What Linux distro are you using [...]
> >
> > The one called DEC OSF4 :-) and Solaris9, as well.
>
> Ah yes, I've heard of that "Solaris Linux" distribution ;)

:-)  I will later be using RedHat I suspect.
>
> >
> >> installable package? Note that I'm not "pushing" the GIMP on you, but it
> >> would surely do the trick (in a sledgehammer sort of fashion ;)
> >
> > Yes, it seems very nice from what I have read.  I'm completely
> > confused about how to build that on Windows as well, but since I
> > don't have any compilers on there except within CYGWIN, that's
> > another (long) story.
>
> I think you can get precompiled version of the GIMP for Windows here:
>
>      http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32

The clarity of that page seems to have improved, it looks like I can
get the thing from
http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/gimp/
now as 2 archives, which is considerably simpler.  Sodipodi is
working well for now.
>
> -- Lyle
>
        Thank you.
        Hugh
>