Re: working on wm-icons (icon list)

[Mikhael G. <mi...@ho...>]

On 18 Jan 2001 23:54:11 +0100, Olivier Chapuis wrote:
> 
> Now I think that we need to add a *lot* of names. 

I think you don't know yet what is it to manage 960 icons to suggest a lot
of new names! :) Even with only one icon set it may be a problem. And 16?
But I want to make wm-icons more complete, so let see.

> First, if I look at the fvwm-themes root menus we needs:
> 
>     50    programs (can be a symlink to utility)

Are you sure we need both? I am not.

>     60    system (can be a symlink to monitor)

I myself tried to use the following criteria, can system be used only in
menu/ or also in mini/, norm/, bar/? Another criteria was how many icon
sets have this icon not symlinked.

>     90    configuration (in your list)
>     90    modules (in your lists)
>     50    themes

No comments. These are concepts which are hard to show.

> Now I go further in the menus. First if I look to our "root" programs
> menus (and one I've planed in a previous messages) as well as to the
> kde "root" programs menus we need:
> 
>     50    applications (can be a symlink to utility)

Now it is programs + applications + utilities? :)

>     50    office (can be a symlink to desktop but seems <> for me)

Instead of word-processor?

>     50    text (can be a symlink to informations or viewer)

I am not sure does this mean text file or text utility (sed) or what.
But is not terminal + editor + viewer + information + file enough?

>     50    science (can be symlink to calculator)

I though about mathematics in icons.lst, but science is probably better.

>     50    multimedia (can be a symlink to sound but <>)

Ok. A symlink may vary in every icon set. Probably music is better.

> An interesting system is the debian menu package (used by Mandrake).
> Here there are lot of sub categories but the only top category
> without an obvious wm-icons (office is their to) is
> 
>     40    session (can be a symlink to desktop or wm-restart)

Not very useful to have IMHO.

>     50    office (again)
>     50    multimedia
> 
> Now if I go to the debian sub categories we "need":
> 
> Under config:
>     ??    hardware
>     ??    packaging

I really don't know on these two. There are a lot of computer words. :)

>     70    printer (no obvious symlink)

symlink to hardware? :) or utility (printing software)

>     ??    boot

No, restart or quit.

> Under applications:
>     ??    development

Instead of debugger?

>     50    science (again)
>     ??    emulators

50, but how can you draw such icon?

>     ??    archiving (can be a symlink to file)

No.

>     80    monitoring (can be a symlink to monitor and a better
>           name is system-stat)

I can't choose between monitoring, system-stats and system-report.

>     ??    publishing

office?

>     50    text (again)

-20

> Under Networks:
>     50    download (can be symlink to file)
>     60    news (can be a symlink to chat)
>     60    connection (I.e., remote access, isp, ..., need a better name,
>           easy symlink)

I would prefer not to add these 3, since there are similar icons.

> Under Games:
>     40    sports

game-action?

>     60    some in your list (in fact I take in account your list)
>     ??    games-puzzles (can be a symlink games-logic)
>     ??    games-aventure (can be a symlink games-action or strategy)

We can't add all. arcade, adult, adventure, interactive fiction (huh?),
educational, puzzle, rpg, simulation, sport, and worst of all games which
are in several categories. I would start with action, board, cards, logic,
strategy and see if there are many games which can't be icon-ed.

> Under Multimedia:
>     80    video

ok, but -20 :)

> There are also sub sub categories under applications. These suggest to
> me:
>    
>     50    hex
>     50    science-graph (can be a symlink to science)
>     50    science-astronomy (ditto)
>     50    science-nature (ditto)
>     ??    compression
>     ??    backup

I see nothing useful, i.e. urgent.

> So that's it for "programs" icons. I think that it will be go that
> wm-icons have a support for the (powerful and very good) debian
> system menu). What system is used with RedHat and Suse? I think
> that more or less supporting Debian/RedHat et al./Suse will
> be good.

RedHat used/uses wmconfig that builds menus for fvwm95, fvwm2, afterstep,
mwm, anotherlevel, icewm, blackbox, wmaker, kde. I didn't really use it.

> Let us continue the fvwm-themes menu:
> 
>     50   theme (different from themes)

folder?

>     ??   component

file?

>     30   cursor
>     ??   animation (symlink to window-iconify)
>     ??   may be one or two configuration-*
>     90   x
>     ??   background (symlink to colors)
>     60   icons o:)
> 
>     ??   help-man  (symlink to help)
> 
>     ??   pager
>     ??   panel/buttons
>     ??   winlist
>     ??   applet
> 
>     ??   wm (can be a symlink to windows)

I fear we will loose icon themability this way.
I would not add anything from these. x would be ok, but it is not really
less general than existing unknown.

> Others:
> 
>     50    penguin

Ok, I forgot this one, which de facto is here.

>     50    start

-20

>     60    ball (component can be a symlink to this)

item?

>     ??    os (can be a symlink to penguin :o)
>     ??    cde (better into apps icons set)
>     ??    distributions

-50 all, assuming they were greater than 50.

> Renaming
> 
>     ??    wm-lock, wm-restart, wm-quit, wm-refresh to lock, restart,
> quit, refresh (more generic)

Ok.

> That's all :o). Of course the 50% have not the same meanings that
> for your reasonable list.

50% is bad. We should have a full agreement on icon name meanings.
I tried to describe my meanings in doc/icons.lst

> Moreover, I am new with wm-icons. But,
> I will say that for me the icons with priority > 50 should be added.
> Also, those with a priority of 50 with an obvious symlink can also
> be added. For the ?? one, its depends of the future of the discussions

Can you please prepare a full listing (including existing ones) accourding
to our comments. If you don't agree with me, you may try to argue or push
your suggestions anyway if you are sure they are needed. More existing
icons may be removed if are not useful enough.

After we have a full listing (say 85 icons), we may start to search for
missing icons in all icon sets. And probably we will have some changes
in the list, because it is not useful to have all symlinks.

P.S. I am happy you interested in this. I am alone may be too subjective.

Regards,
Mikhael.