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#9 CAN'T MAKE IT WORK WITH FSX:SE
I've tried about a dozen times to make this work with FSX:SE. None of the "Groups" ever changes anything in my FSX:SE scenery files. Is there something I have to do differently to make it work in FSX:SE. If it makes a difference, I have FSX:SE installed on it's own internal SSD drive; I've loaded the correct path in Preferences. I've installed and uninstalled the Editor several times, and rebuilt the "Groups" each time - no change. Right now it's uninstalled, again, so I can't quote the exact settings that I questioned, but it shows one for FSX and then one for something like a FSX:SE combined mode - I have no idea how to select one or the other (I've tried both - still no change in the results). Anyway, this appears to be a GREAT utility for use with FSX and I'd really, really like to use it as I have a HUGE library of scenery and it would be great not to have to wade thru it everytime. Hopefully, this makes sense and you might have a suggestion or two. Thank you.
I've basically crushed myself with all the scenery addons and it's become so bad just trying to start the sim and wait for all of it to load, that I'm about ready to throw in the towel and flush my investment down the toilet. I really felt this program would save me, but all I've done is just jump to another level for frustration with my flight sim - nothing has changed since I wrote the above. I'm not a tech person, which is part of the problem, I'm sure, so I don't believe it's the program's fault that I can't get it to work, it has to be me - so here's the question. Can I hire SOMEONE, ANYONE to do a remote session on my computer to help me get this program set up and running (actually, I think I have it set up, but it just doesn't run...).
There was no response to the first post, so I'm not even sure how to actually communicate with anyone about this. So, any advice along that line would be welcome, too.
Thank you.
Hi,
Sorry I've missed this email. It sounds like you're not editing the right
scenery.cfg file, and you've probably not chosen the correct settings in
the preferences dialogue.
You will need to select the fsx-se directory button to find the fsx see
directory
When you installed fsx-se did you choose to install co existence mode? I.e.
do you have fsx and fsx-se installed? If so you need to select that option
in the location of scenery.cfg radio buttons. Otherwise you should use the
fsx location.
Unless you know what you are doing you should not use the user defined
directory option.
Get back to me with what your settings are.
Andy
On Thu, 15 Dec 2016, 04:17 Howard H Harrison, h3az@users.sf.net wrote:
Related
Support Requests: #9
Hi,
Thank you very much for responding, I really appreciate it - sorry for my
delay in getting back to this. Anyway, I'm attaching a bunch (17) of jpg
files to show you where I'm at (probably better than 10,000 words.).
Hopefully, they'll all go out in 1 e-mail (my provider is a little stingy
that way), but if they don't, I'll send you a series of e-mails until I get
them all to you.
From the beginning, though, yes, I did have a boxed version of FSX
installed. However, when I moved to FSX:SE I found a lot of information
about the problems with uninstalling it because it seemed to put files
everywhere, so I tried to follow the information to search out and remove
everything I could possibly find that had to do with the original FSX.
That's NOT to say that I actually got it all (again, I'm NOT a tech person,
so digging around for things is not the easiest thing for me to do).
That having been said, I installed FSX:SE and, over time, acquired a lot (at
least for me) of Orbx products (actually, a lot of MegaSceneryEarth
products, too, but I've tried to remove them). I installed FSX:SE, and all
of the scenery, on a separate drive (I keep thinking that, in itself, might
be part of the problem, but.), and I installed Scenery Config Editor on the
same drive. You can see in my Preferences that I showed the Simulator
Directory and scenery.cfg locations as the same, and I have not tried
selecting the FSX-SE Co-Existence Mode as it didn't make sense to me because
I knew where the scenery is installed (although, at this point, I'll
probably just try it as nothing else has worked).
I made backups of my scenery.cfg file (putting them in a new directory in
the same drive, so the path would be different (again, maybe that's
something I shouldn't do, but.). All of my scenery is shown under the List
tab and then I created the groups as instructed (at least I think so.); I
can show you the List and expand the Groups if it would help you.
One thing I've never been sure of is, does Scenery Config Editor need to be
opened, and left open, when running FSX:SE, and if so, is it opened before
or after opening FSX:SE is opened? Each time I've opened the Editor, I've
"Saved" it before opening FSX:SE, but, of course, that didn't make any
difference, either. The attached jpg files were taken after I opened the
Editor, saved it, and then opened FSX:SE (both were running). One other
thing, too, your manual mentions something about a setting in FTXCentral
(".Automatically restore groups from backup option."), but I don't recall
seeing it, and now there's nothing like that (I can't find it anyway) in the
new FTXCental v3, so is there anything else along that line that might help?
I'm sure I'm being as clear as mud, but I hope it might be at least a
starting place to figure this out. Things with me are usually "operator
error" so I get the feeling there's a pretty simple solution somewhere.
Getting a program like this to work would solve a big problem for me, so I
really, really appreciate you taking the time to work with me on it.
Thank you.
Howard
From: Andrew R. Thornton [mailto:zeripath@users.sf.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:34 AM
To: [fs-sceditor:support-requests]
Subject: [fs-sceditor:support-requests] Re: #9 CAN'T MAKE IT WORK WITH
FSX:SE
Hi,
Sorry I've missed this email. It sounds like you're not editing the right
scenery.cfg file, and you've probably not chosen the correct settings in
the preferences dialogue.
You will need to select the fsx-se directory button to find the fsx see
directory
When you installed fsx-se did you choose to install co existence mode? I.e.
do you have fsx and fsx-se installed? If so you need to select that option
in the location of scenery.cfg radio buttons. Otherwise you should use the
fsx location.
Unless you know what you are doing you should not use the user defined
directory option.
Get back to me with what your settings are.
Andy
On Thu, 15 Dec 2016, 04:17 Howard H Harrison, h3az@users.sf.net wrote:
I've basically crushed myself with all the scenery addons and it's become
so bad just trying to start the sim and wait for all of it to load, that
I'm about ready to throw in the towel and flush my investment down the
toilet. I really felt this program would save me, but all I've done is just
jump to another level for frustration with my flight sim - nothing has
changed since I wrote the above. I'm not a tech person, which is part of
the problem, I'm sure, so I don't believe it's the program's fault that I
can't get it to work, it has to be me - so here's the question. Can I hire
SOMEONE, ANYONE to do a remote session on my computer to help me get this
program set up and running (actually, I think I have it set up, but it just
doesn't run...).
There was no response to the first post, so I'm not even sure how to
actually communicate with anyone about this. So, any advice along that line
would be welcome, too.
Thank you.
https://sourceforge.net/p/fs-sceditor/support-requests/9/
https://sourceforge.net/p/fs-sceditor/support-requests/9/ CAN'T MAKE IT
WORK WITH FSX:SE*
Status: open
Group: v1.0 (example)
Created: Sat Sep 17, 2016 05:24 PM UTC by Howard H Harrison
Last Updated: Sat Sep 17, 2016 05:24 PM UTC
Owner: Andrew R. Thornton
I've tried about a dozen times to make this work with FSX:SE. None of the
"Groups" ever changes anything in my FSX:SE scenery files. Is there
something I have to do differently to make it work in FSX:SE. If it makes a
difference, I have FSX:SE installed on it's own internal SSD drive; I've
loaded the correct path in Preferences. I've installed and uninstalled the
Editor several times, and rebuilt the "Groups" each time - no change. Right
now it's uninstalled, again, so I can't quote the exact settings that I
questioned, but it shows one for FSX and then one for something like a
FSX:SE combined mode - I have no idea how to select one or the other (I've
tried both - still no change in the results). Anyway, this appears to be a
GREAT utility for use with FSX and I'd really, really like to use it as I
have a HUGE library of scenery and it would be great not to have to wade
thru it everytime. Hopefully, this makes sense and you might have a
suggestion or two. Thank you.
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https://sourceforge.net/p/fs-sceditor/support-requests/9/ CAN'T MAKE IT
WORK WITH FSX:SE
Status: open
Group: v1.0 (example)
Created: Sat Sep 17, 2016 05:24 PM UTC by Howard H Harrison
Last Updated: Thu Dec 15, 2016 04:17 AM UTC
Owner: Andrew R. Thornton
I've tried about a dozen times to make this work with FSX:SE. None of the
"Groups" ever changes anything in my FSX:SE scenery files. Is there
something I have to do differently to make it work in FSX:SE. If it makes a
difference, I have FSX:SE installed on it's own internal SSD drive; I've
loaded the correct path in Preferences. I've installed and uninstalled the
Editor several times, and rebuilt the "Groups" each time - no change. Right
now it's uninstalled, again, so I can't quote the exact settings that I
questioned, but it shows one for FSX and then one for something like a
FSX:SE combined mode - I have no idea how to select one or the other (I've
tried both - still no change in the results). Anyway, this appears to be a
GREAT utility for use with FSX and I'd really, really like to use it as I
have a HUGE library of scenery and it would be great not to have to wade
thru it everytime. Hopefully, this makes sense and you might have a
suggestion or two. Thank you.
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Hi Howard,
OK looking at your preferences.jpg, you're doing the wrong thing. As I
said:
Unless you know what you are doing you should not use the user
defineddirectory option.
The user defined directory you have chosen is not the correct one. As
described in the manual, the scenery.cfg within the program directory is
not used by the program except as a backup in cases of disastrous
corruption of the correct scenery.cfg.
The correct scenery.cfg will be the one found by one of the two options:
FSX mode or FSX-SE co-existence mode.
The correct one will depend on how you installed FSX-SE in the first
place - I can't tell from your message which you did - but we can just try
both modes and see:
then try to edit it and save it.
co-existence mode
and I'm going to need to know what directories those two modes are
suggesting as your locations for the scenery.cfg file. We would then have
to have a look at where these are pointing and perhaps interrogate the
registry. (Please just give me the directories in text form - I'm only
going to have to type them out from the screenshots when I suggest
alternatives.)
I suggest you switch back on Check scenery directories exist and Use
last accepted path as default. The first helps you ensure that your
scenery actually exists and the second just helps you when you're editing
the file. Please keep Automatically restore groups from backup set. (This
is especially useful if you use ORBX Central and the number of people who
turn this off and then complain that groups keep disappearing or that SCE
is useless when using ORBX is astounding - I didn't write the code for this
for nothing.)
Now, you also asked how you're supposed to use the editor. The workflow is
as follows:
installers, or ORBX Central. I recommend that you only use one thing,
many scenery installers will subtly destroy and break the scenery.cfg
file structure - some are aware of NewScenery.cfg and some are not etc. ORBX
will also remove all group information (So HELPFUL!)
you wish.
The flight simulator, AFAIK, does not pay attention to changes to
scenery.cfg whilst it is running, so needs to be closed before you can
change the scenery.cfg. (Once you have a working workflow you can
experiment, but only once you have a working workflow should you do that!)
HTH,
Andy
Good morning, or afternoon,
I guess I'd better stop before I really mess things up (more than I
apparently have.). What I've done has been over the last 2 days and, aside
from just confusing myself, I'm not real sure how it all fits together.
Thanks to you, I did discover that I guess I hadn't removed all of the
installed FSX files because I've found the "real" scenery.cfg file in my "C"
drive (see pics) and discovered thru trial and error that it's that file
that actually changes (NOT the scenery.cfg file that's in my "D" drive where
FSX:SE is installed) if I make a change in the FSX:SE Scenery Library.
I don't know what it means, but when I opened the Scenery Config Editor
today, after making a change in my FSX:SE Scenery Library, it was totally
empty. So, I used the "List, File, Open Other" and opened a previously
saved "NewScenery - ALL GROUPS 9-17-16.cfg" file in my "D" drive, FSX:SE
directory. That populated the List and Group View tabs, but even though I
SAVED it, closed the Editor and opened FSX:SE, the Scenery Library didn't
change. Then, when I closed FSX:SE and reopened the Editor, it was totally
empty again. So, I don't know where anything really is. I tried it with
the FSX Mode, FSX-SE Co-Existence Mode, and even tried it by changing the
Scenery file location to the path where the "real" scenery.cfg file is.
None of that helped (maybe it needs some other combination), and I'm still
getting an empty List and Group View when I reopen the Editor.
Like I said, I'm stopping now because I guess I've really gotten it messed
up, and, even though it probably can't get much worse, knowing me, I could
probably find a way to do some real system damage. The only other thing I
can think of (because I have no idea what I'm doing.), is to completely
uninstall the Editor, delete all of the saved Group files, etc., etc., and
then maybe start from scratch. Unfortunately, I don't know if that'll
change anything - again, I'm thinking because I have FSX:SE on a completely
separate drive and that may somehow be causing a problem (???????).
I'm frustrated (to say the least), but I suspect you're going to be even
more frustrated trying to work with a dummy, and I'm sorry about that. I'd
really like to offer to hire you to do a remote session in my computer to
get this set up correctly. I've done that before on other things and it
always seems to work best when someone who knows what they're doing gets in
and actually touches things. Usually, the problem seems to be the way I've
tried to set things up in the first place (oddly, setting them up with the
idea of avoiding problems - what a joke, it's the old saying "a little
knowledge can be dangerous"). I can go back and forth with tech folks
(which really takes a lot of time on both ends), or we can cut to the chase
with a hands-on approach. I REALLY feel guilty when I "waste" a person's
time who is trying to help me, so it's worth it to me to pay something for
their time and effort. I am, of course, willing to try things back and
forth by e-mail, because I really want to be able to use your program, but,
I'll also understand if you just say "that's enough" and be done with it.
Anyway, thank you for your help so far, I've appreciated your guidance -
it's sounded good, so I'm sure the problems are all "user error."
Thank you.
Howard
From: Andrew R. Thornton [mailto:zeripath@users.sf.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 3:16 AM
To: [fs-sceditor:support-requests]
Subject: [fs-sceditor:support-requests] Re: #9 CAN'T MAKE IT WORK WITH
FSX:SE
Hi Howard,
OK looking at your preferences.jpg, you're doing the wrong thing. As I
said:
Unless you know what you are doing you should not use the user
defineddirectory option.
The user defined directory you have chosen is not the correct one. As
described in the manual, the scenery.cfg within the program directory is
not used by the program except as a backup in cases of disastrous
corruption of the correct scenery.cfg.
The correct scenery.cfg will be the one found by one of the two options:
FSX mode or FSX-SE co-existence mode.
The correct one will depend on how you installed FSX-SE in the first
place - I can't tell from your message which you did - but we can just try
both modes and see:
then try to edit it and save it.
FSX-SE
co-existence mode
wrong
and I'm going to need to know what directories those two modes are
suggesting as your locations for the scenery.cfg file. We would then have
to have a look at where these are pointing and perhaps interrogate the
registry. (Please just give me the directories in text form - I'm only
going to have to type them out from the screenshots when I suggest
alternatives.)
I suggest you switch back on Check scenery directories exist and Use
last accepted path as default. The first helps you ensure that your
scenery actually exists and the second just helps you when you're editing
the file. Please keep Automatically restore groups from backup set. (This
is especially useful if you use ORBX Central and the number of people who
turn this off and then complain that groups keep disappearing or that SCE
is useless when using ORBX is astounding - I didn't write the code for this
for nothing.)
Now, you also asked how you're supposed to use the editor. The workflow is
as follows:
installers, or ORBX Central. I recommend that you only use one thing,
many scenery installers will subtly destroy and break the scenery.cfg
file structure - some are aware of NewScenery.cfg and some are not etc. ORBX
will also remove all group information (So HELPFUL!)
you wish.
The flight simulator, AFAIK, does not pay attention to changes to
scenery.cfg whilst it is running, so needs to be closed before you can
change the scenery.cfg. (Once you have a working workflow you can
experiment, but only once you have a working workflow should you do that!)
HTH,
Andy
--
Andrew Thornton
art27@cantab.net
[support-requests:#9]
https://sourceforge.net/p/fs-sceditor/support-requests/9/ CAN'T MAKE IT
WORK WITH FSX:SE
Status: open
Group: v1.0 (example)
Created: Sat Sep 17, 2016 05:24 PM UTC by Howard H Harrison
Last Updated: Thu Dec 15, 2016 04:17 AM UTC
Owner: Andrew R. Thornton
I've tried about a dozen times to make this work with FSX:SE. None of the
"Groups" ever changes anything in my FSX:SE scenery files. Is there
something I have to do differently to make it work in FSX:SE. If it makes a
difference, I have FSX:SE installed on it's own internal SSD drive; I've
loaded the correct path in Preferences. I've installed and uninstalled the
Editor several times, and rebuilt the "Groups" each time - no change. Right
now it's uninstalled, again, so I can't quote the exact settings that I
questioned, but it shows one for FSX and then one for something like a
FSX:SE combined mode - I have no idea how to select one or the other (I've
tried both - still no change in the results). Anyway, this appears to be a
GREAT utility for use with FSX and I'd really, really like to use it as I
have a HUGE library of scenery and it would be great not to have to wade
thru it everytime. Hopefully, this makes sense and you might have a
suggestion or two. Thank you.
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Hi Howard!
OK, lets just be very simple:
program directory i.e. D:\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\scenery.cfg is
completely ignored
difference - unless there is total corruption of the correct file - but
maybe even not then. In fact if you change any other scenery.cfg file than
the correct one, FSX will not see your changes.
%ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Microsoft\FSX\scenery.cfg
or
%ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Microsoft\FSX-SE\scenery.cfg
(There is a registry key that determines this behaviour but as with all
things it's undocumented, I don't know which one it is, I don't have the
software so can't replicate it and I don't even run windows anymore!)
differently depending on your version of windows. It appears that in your
case this is expanding to:
C:\ProgramData
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\FSX\scenery.cfg
(THIS CORRESPONDS TO FSX MODE)
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\FSX-SE\scenery.cfg
(THIS CORRESPONDS TO FSX-SE COEXISTENCE MODE)
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\FSX\scenery.cfg exists, and from your information
this is the file the FSX is reading.
You should therefore use the FSX mode. Please don't use user defined mode.
After changing mode in Preferences you should reload the default
scenery.cfg or close and reopen the editor.
I suspect the reason that the editor showed the scenery.cfg file as
empty was because you were in the wrong mode. As I said previously, and
hopefully more clearly above: If FSX-SE is reading the file in
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\FSX\scenery.cfg you must ensure that the editor is
in FSX Mode and not co-existence mode. Once you change the mode you should
reload the default scenery.cfg file or reload the editor.
Now from the rest of your screenshots - I think I can work out where
you're going wrong.
This editor is not intended for you have to multiple scenery.cfg files and
for you to choose which one that FS will use. FSX will only read one
scenery.cfg - that is the one at C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\FSX\scenery.cfg.
If you make changes to any other file then FSX will not see them and will
not pay attention.
The intention of this editor is to make editing the scenery.cfg that the
flightsimulator uses easier. You can have multiple separate files if you
like but you're going to have to save them as the correct scenery.cfg
yourself.
The way SCE makes FS run quicker is not by removing scenery from the
scenery.cfg file but by switiching it off. You never need to remove scenery
from the scenery.cfg file you should always only switch it off. If you hear
anyone telling you otherwise - they're wrong. It does not make any sense
for scenery which is switched off to cause the simulator run slowly. The
sim simply doesn't load that scenery.
You use the groups features to make switching on-and-off scenery easier,
and if something goes and destroys the groups information it's
automatically restored from backup. If you put everything in at least one
group then you can easily see if something has added a scenery because
there will be an ungrouped scenery.
If after reading the above you still can't work out what's going on, then
I'd be willing to remote attach to your computer if you tell me what you're
using and give me the connection details - I'll send you an email directly
about this. Don't send these details to Sourceforge.
Sorry you're having so much difficulty.
Andy
Andrew Thornton
art27@cantab.net