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From: Shachar S. <fri...@sh...> - 2004-03-17 10:00:23
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I think there's something really basic I'm missing. Why does putty need any license change at all? Even if they want to statically link fribidi, they can do that under the LGPL license. All they have to do is to provide means for other people to create a version of putty that has a different fribidi implementation. As putty is open source itself, that requirement is always met. Is there something I'm missing here? Shachar >>I checked my old archives yesterday and I found that I still have >>the very first releases of fribidi where I was the sole contributor. >>I personally have no problem releasing these under a putty compatible >>licence. It would save Ahmed some work if he didn't have to >>reimplement this. I think it would be good to rename the sources >>though so that there is no confusion with fribidi. >> >>Do you have anything against it, Behdad? >> >>What it would give you: >> >> * A complete (but probably somewhat buggy) implementation of >> the implicit unicode bidi algorithm. >> >> * No support for explicit overrides (but, hey, would use those >> in a terminal emulator!) >> >> * Less than optimal speed wise. No sophisticated lookup (neither >> two-level nor nine-level. ;-) >> >>Regards, >>Dov >> >> -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Systems Consulting http://www.lingnu.com/ |
From: Behdad E. <be...@cs...> - 2004-03-17 01:19:52
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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 11:59, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > I have nothing special against that. But, another solution I can > > think of is to give explicit permission on an specific version of > > the code, to be redistributed in binary form with PuTTY, > > something like that... Roozbeh, what do you think? > > That may not be acceptable for PuTTY people. But I don't have any > problem with relicensing any part of my small contributions to FriBidi. > Consider them public domain. > > roozbeh I just asked for your idea on the licensing issue, not your own contributions specifically. --behdad behdad.org |
From: Roozbeh P. <ro...@sh...> - 2004-03-16 11:44:56
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On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 11:59, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > I have nothing special against that. But, another solution I can > think of is to give explicit permission on an specific version of > the code, to be redistributed in binary form with PuTTY, > something like that... Roozbeh, what do you think? That may not be acceptable for PuTTY people. But I don't have any problem with relicensing any part of my small contributions to FriBidi. Consider them public domain. roozbeh |
From: Omer Z. <om...@ac...> - 2004-03-14 09:23:04
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I am not sure I know enough of the background of the discussion, so some of what I said may not be addressing the real issues. FriBidi was released under LGPL, and my own contributions to this package are also licensed under LGPL. My interpretation of LGPL is that as long as FriBidi is used as a separate DLL and its source code is provided to anyone who has the power to replace the DLL in his system, the rest of the product may be proprietary (matter of fact, we at Ozicom use FriBidi exactly this way in Hebrew localizations for Nokia 9110 and some Symbian OS versions). On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > You can always travel in time using CVS.Looking at ChangeLog, > seems like 0.1.11 is a good candidate, otherwise you need to ask > Owen and Omer. > > I have nothing special against that.But, another solution I can > think of is to give explicit permission on an specific version of > the code, to be redistributed in binary form with PuTTY, > something like that...Roozbeh, what do you think? > > Other than that, Dov, feel free to do everything, you are the > father afterall ;). > > behdad > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 do...@im... wrote: > > > I checked my old archives yesterday and I found that I still have > > the very first releases of fribidi where I was the sole contributor. > > I personally have no problem releasing these under a putty compatible > > licence. It would save Ahmed some work if he didn't have to > > reimplement this. I think it would be good to rename the sources > > though so that there is no confusion with fribidi. > > > > Do you have anything against it, Behdad? > > > > What it would giveyou: > > > > * A complete (but probably somewhat buggy) implementation of > > the implicit unicode bidi algorithm. > > > > * No support for explicit overrides (but, hey, would use those > > in a terminal emulator!) > > > > * Less than optimal speed wise. No sophisticated lookup (neither > > two-level nor nine-level. ;-) > > > > Regards, > > Dov --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html |
From: Behdad E. <be...@cs...> - 2004-03-14 08:29:17
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You can always travel in time using CVS. Looking at ChangeLog, seems like 0.1.11 is a good candidate, otherwise you need to ask Owen and Omer. I have nothing special against that. But, another solution I can think of is to give explicit permission on an specific version of the code, to be redistributed in binary form with PuTTY, something like that... Roozbeh, what do you think? Other than that, Dov, feel free to do everything, you are the father afterall ;). behdad On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 do...@im... wrote: > I checked my old archives yesterday and I found that I still have > the very first releases of fribidi where I was the sole contributor. > I personally have no problem releasing these under a putty compatible > licence. It would save Ahmed some work if he didn't have to > reimplement this. I think it would be good to rename the sources > though so that there is no confusion with fribidi. > > Do you have anything against it, Behdad? > > What it would give you: > > * A complete (but probably somewhat buggy) implementation of > the implicit unicode bidi algorithm. > > * No support for explicit overrides (but, hey, would use those > in a terminal emulator!) > > * Less than optimal speed wise. No sophisticated lookup (neither > two-level nor nine-level. ;-) > > Regards, > Dov |
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From: Noah L. <nl...@co...> - 2004-03-04 22:50:56
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I think some of you are not on xd...@fr...... ----- Forwarded message from Ely Levy <ely...@cs...> ----- From: Ely Levy <ely...@cs...> To: xd...@fr... Subject: Bidi standart Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 23:47:17 +0200 (IST) Hey, I want to suggest making a standart for bidi on desktop. As someone who has Hebrew for mother langauge I notice the small and not so small diffrances between kde/gnome/mozilla/opengoffice and so on. I think forming a group to work on a standart would make free desktop much more atractive for bidi speakers. below few notes made by dov (one on the writers of fribidi). ------- * Logical vs visual cursor movement. (What happens when you press the right arrow key?) * How do you place the cursor with the mouse at boundry points? * The display of the cursor at boundry points where the direction changes. * How should zero width unicode control characters be displayed? * Perhaps there should be a status bar that displays the name of the zero width character when you move over it? * How should zero width control characters be input? How are they selected and erased? * Should there be a "code-view" mode that will show the raw logical sequence? * Should bidi levels be shown? If so, how? Different colors of background? Different underlines? * Should it be possible to draw a special character at the boundry point that indicates if it is a "source" point (the two different directions diverge there) or a "sink" point (the two different directions converge)? ----- Nakee _______________________________________________ xdg mailing list xd...@fr... http://freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg ----- End forwarded message ----- |
From: Ali S. A. <ali...@we...> - 2004-02-19 11:36:37
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From: Eran T. <fri...@tr...> - 2003-10-07 13:53:27
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On 2003/10/07 15:20, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > CapRTL is for internal and testing usage by the developers themselves. > Consider it doesn't exist. ACK. The website and help are a bit misleading on this -- they give the impression that CapRTL is a valid way for end-users to experiment with the algorithm. Eran |
From: Roozbeh P. <ro...@sh...> - 2003-10-07 13:17:09
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On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 19:38, Eran Tromer wrote: > The CapRTL test charset produces different results than ISO8859-8 for > the case "A-5". Is this a bug? CapRTL is for internal and testing usage by the developers themselves. Consider it doesn't exist. roozbeh |
From: Behdad E. <be...@cs...> - 2003-10-05 21:41:16
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Eran Tromer wrote: > Hi, > > The CapRTL test charset produces different results than ISO8859-8 for > the case "A-5". Is this a bug? > > $ echo 'A-5' | fribidi --test --charset=3DCapRTL - > A-5 =3D> 5-A Perhaps not. As doing 'fribidi --charsetdesc CapRTL' shows that '-' is an ON, but in almost all *real* charsets, '-' is ES I guess. For the reason, I have borrowed CapRTL from the Unicode reference implementation, to test conformance, so their fault if any. In future perhaps we're gonna drop that CapRTL and invent a better one (to add to the mess ;) ). behdad > $ echo -e '\340-5' | ./fribidi --test --charset=3DISO8859-8 - > =E0-5 =3D> -5=E0 > > > Regards, > Eran |
From: Eran T. <fri...@tr...> - 2003-10-05 16:05:32
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Hi, The CapRTL test charset produces different results than ISO8859-8 for=20 the case "A-5". Is this a bug? $ echo 'A-5' | fribidi --test --charset=3DCapRTL - A-5 =3D> 5-A $ echo -e '\340-5' | ./fribidi --test --charset=3DISO8859-8 - =E0-5 =3D> -5=E0 Regards, Eran |
From: Beni C. <cb...@us...> - 2003-10-05 13:03:43
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Behdad Esfahbod wrote on 2003-09-26: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > > > #fribidi on irc.freenode.net? > > Yep. > If you discussed what needs to be done (and if you didn't ;), could you please post it on the mailing list? -- Beni Cherniavsky <cb...@us...> |
From: Giuseppe <gd...@vo...> - 2003-09-27 23:32:18
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You know you are right? The stable version works fine. Thank you Alle 15:50, sabato 27 settembre 2003, Behdad Esfahbod ha scritto: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Giuseppe wrote: >=20 > > Alle 11:06, luned=EC 22 settembre 2003, Tzafrir Cohen ha scritto: > > > What version of abiword? > > > > 2.0.0 > > > > > What version of fribidi? > > > > cvs, 2002-12-10 >=20 > Using FriBidi from CVS is Ok, as long as you checkout the STABLE > branch. The HEAD branch contains experimental code that changes > interfaces. >=20 >=20 > > > Do you have any other version of fribidi on your > > > system? > > > > no > > > > > What OS? > > > > Linux Mandrake 9.1, gcc 3.2.2 (mdk) > > > > Thank you very much > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > -- > > > Tzafrir Cohen +---------------------------+ > > > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| > > > mailto:tz...@te... +---------------------------+ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fribidi-discuss mailing list > > > Fri...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fribidi-discuss > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Fribidi-discuss mailing list > > Fri...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fribidi-discuss > > > > >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Fribidi-discuss mailing list > Fri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fribidi-discuss >=20 |
From: Behdad E. <be...@cs...> - 2003-09-27 16:07:27
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Giuseppe wrote: > Alle 11:06, luned=EC 22 settembre 2003, Tzafrir Cohen ha scritto: > > What version of abiword? > > 2.0.0 > > > What version of fribidi? > > cvs, 2002-12-10 Using FriBidi from CVS is Ok, as long as you checkout the STABLE branch. The HEAD branch contains experimental code that changes interfaces. > > Do you have any other version of fribidi on your > > system? > > no > > > What OS? > > Linux Mandrake 9.1, gcc 3.2.2 (mdk) > > Thank you very much > > > > > Cheers > > > > -- > > Tzafrir Cohen +---------------------------+ > > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| > > mailto:tz...@te... +---------------------------+ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Fribidi-discuss mailing list > > Fri...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fribidi-discuss > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Fribidi-discuss mailing list > Fri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fribidi-discuss > > |
From: Giuseppe <gd...@vo...> - 2003-09-27 15:13:06
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I can't compile neither ksvg, I get this: In file included from /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi_unicode.h:26, from /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi.h:32, from Converter.cpp:25: /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi_types.h:305:27: fribidi_types.i: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi.h:37, from Converter.cpp:25: /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi_char_sets.h:54:31: fribidi_char_sets.i: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi.h:37, from Converter.cpp:25: /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi_char_sets.h:60: `FRIBIDI_CHAR_SET_UTF8' was not declared in this scope /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi_char_sets.h:60: enumerator value for `FRIBIDI_CHAR_SET_DEFAULT' not integer constant Converter.cpp: In member function `T2P::GlyphSet* T2P::Converter::calcString(T2P::Font*, const short unsigned int*, unsigned int, double*, const T2P::GlyphLayoutParams*)': Converter.cpp:281: cannot convert `FriBidiChar*' to `FriBidiEnv*' for argument `1' to `fribidi_boolean fribidi_log2vis(FriBidiEnv*, const FriBidiChar*, int, FriBidiCharType*, FriBidiChar*, FriBidiStrIndex*, FriBidiStrIndex*, FriBidiLevel*)' make[6]: *** [Converter.lo] Error 1 Alle 16:34, domenica 21 settembre 2003, Giuseppe ha scritto: > This is what I get: > > In file included from /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi_unicode.h:26, > from /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi.h:32, > from ev_Toolbar_Labels.cpp:30: > /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi_types.h:305:27: fribidi_types.i: No such file or > directory > In file included from /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi.h:37, > from ev_Toolbar_Labels.cpp:30: > /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi_char_sets.h:54:31: fribidi_char_sets.i: No such > file or directory > In file included from /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi.h:37, > from ev_Toolbar_Labels.cpp:30: > /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi_char_sets.h:60: `FRIBIDI_CHAR_SET_UTF8' was not > declared in this scope > /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi_char_sets.h:60: enumerator value for > `FRIBIDI_CHAR_SET_DEFAULT' not integer constant > ev_Toolbar_Labels.cpp: In constructor `EV_Toolbar_Label::EV_Toolbar_Label(int, > const char*, const char*, const char*, const char*)': > ev_Toolbar_Labels.cpp:114: warning: invalid conversion from `long unsigned > int' to `FriBidiEnv*' > /usr/include/fribidi/fribidi.h:93: too few arguments to function > `FriBidiCharType fribidi_get_type(FriBidiEnv*, long unsigned int)' > ev_Toolbar_Labels.cpp:114: at this point in file > ev_Toolbar_Labels.cpp:127: cannot convert `FriBidiChar*' to `FriBidiEnv*' for > argument `1' to `fribidi_boolean fribidi_log2vis(FriBidiEnv*, const > FriBidiChar*, int, FriBidiCharType*, FriBidiChar*, FriBidiStrIndex*, > FriBidiStrIndex*, FriBidiLevel*)' > make[4]: *** [ev_Toolbar_Labels.o] Error 1 > > I think it's related to fribidi. Can you help me? > Thank you > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Fribidi-discuss mailing list > Fri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fribidi-discuss > |
From: Giuseppe <gd...@vo...> - 2003-09-27 13:06:57
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Alle 11:06, luned=EC 22 settembre 2003, Tzafrir Cohen ha scritto: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 04:34:06PM +0000, Giuseppe wrote: > > This is what I get: > >=20 >=20 > [ snip log ] >=20 > >=20 > > I think it's related to fribidi. Can you help me? >=20 > Maybe. This sounds more like an issue for an abiword list. But anyway, > you ommited some important details: >=20 > What version of abiword?=20 2.0.0=20 > What version of fribidi?=20 cvs, 2002-12-10 > Do you have any other version of fribidi on your =20 > system?=20 no > What OS? Linux Mandrake 9.1, gcc 3.2.2 (mdk) =20 Thank you very much >=20 > Cheers >=20 > --=20 > Tzafrir Cohen +---------------------------+ > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| > mailto:tz...@te... +---------------------------+ >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Fribidi-discuss mailing list > Fri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fribidi-discuss >=20 |
From: Behdad E. <be...@cs...> - 2003-09-26 18:41:44
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > #fribidi on irc.freenode.net? Yep. |
From: Roozbeh P. <ro...@sh...> - 2003-09-26 16:55:27
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#fribidi on irc.freenode.net? |
From: Roozbeh P. <ro...@sh...> - 2003-09-25 21:33:52
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On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 00:20, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > It doesn't work as you expect. Everyone's waiting for others to > volunteer :>. Doesn't mean you shouldn't tell us what the tasks really are. Do so, please. roozbeh |
From: Behdad E. <be...@cs...> - 2003-09-25 21:06:47
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 23:44, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > > I'm thinking about to design some exact strategies, and break the > > tasks and assign them to our new *team* members. [...] > > Well, I guess you should do it the other way. Explain the tasks that > can be done by people other than you, and see who volunteers for what. It doesn't work as you expect. Everyone's waiting for others to volunteer :>. > > The SRPMs are not there. > > It's here: > > http://rawhide.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/SRPMS/SRPMS/fribidi-0.10.4-3.src.rpm > > > Moving to Savannah should be done before the directory structure > > for the new code base is out. I'm thinking about leaving > > fribidi-0 on SourceForge, and move fribidi-1 to Savannah. > > I don't get it. You're changing the directory structure after the move > to the new CVS at Savannah? Why not use the new directory structure > there from the beginning, so we can have more complete CVS backlog? Obviously it has been a typo on my side. BTW, I'm learning CVS to death. > roozbeh behdad |