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Re: [Freetantrum-devel] songprint still alive?

[Bob C. <me...@bo...>]

On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:17:44PM -0800, Mike D'Ambrogia wrote:
> Trying to read up on songprint, wondering if its still alive??

Nope.  Dead unless someone wants to step up and do something with 
the most recent release.

-- 
Bob Copeland %% www.bobcopeland.com 

[Freetantrum-devel] songprint still alive?

[Mike D'A. <mi...@tw...>]

Trying to read up on songprint, wondering if its still alive??

any info appreciated

mike

Re: [Freetantrum-devel] Example question/request

[Mike S. <mg...@co...>]

> > Ok, this may be a bit much to ask, but could anyone send me an example of
> > how to get *JUST* the media ID from a given song without connecting to the
> > net?  I'm trying to form a database and dupe checker based on the
> > freetantrum project.  Any help would be appreciated.

I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. A songprint is generated from the
audio. It represents what the song sounds like. eTantrum's servers
associate songprints with Media IDs. 

Example: If the same song is encoded twice, with different bitrates or
background noise, the two clips will generate slightly different
songprints. 

So let's say the server contains the following data:

Song A, songprint 41e9bca7
Song B, songprint 50b1cea4
Song C, songprint ba3c910e

You scan a song and generate the songprint 40e9bca6. You pass that to the
server, and it says, "Well, it's pretty close to Song A, not very close to
Song B, and not anywhere near Song C. It's probably Song A." The server
returns "Song A", which is the Media ID.

So you either need a network connection, or you need to license technology
from eTantrum to look at two songprints and determine how similar they
are.

[Freetantrum-devel] Example question/request

[Ron G. <rg...@ho...>]

> Ok, this may be a bit much to ask, but could anyone send me an example of
> how to get *JUST* the media ID from a given song without connecting to the
> net?  I'm trying to form a database and dupe checker based on the
> freetantrum project.  Any help would be appreciated.
> 	--Ron

Re: [Freetantrum-devel] Licensing problem with songprint?

[Bob C. <bo...@es...>]

I believe I had taken mpglib from an mpg123 archive which said 
(as in the LAME version) the code could be used under GPL terms.
However since that doc isn't in the songprint archive, I'd just 
as soon go with the LAME version.  

Another thing we should consider: libvorbis beta 3 is scheduled
to be available by the end of this week, and already has a debian
package in the works.  With this release the library interface is 
finalized, so the example program can be linked against the vorbis
shared library.  Thus I think it would be smart to go ahead and 
nuke all of the vorbis code (except the codec wrapper), and setup 
the configure check to automatically disable vorbis if the 
library isn't installed. 

-Bob

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Subject: [Freetantrum-devel] Licensing problem with songprint?


> MoiN
> 
> I am going to package songprint for debian GNU/Linux. However, it
> apperars that you are using code from mpg123 which may not be
> included in GPLed programs. In the copyrights file to mpg123 it
> reads:
> 
> > DISTRIBUTION:
> > 
> > ... [mpg123 must be] distributed in its entirety, ... It may not
> > be sold for profit or as "hidden" part of another software, ...
> 
> You nowhere seem to mention permissions from the author of mpg123
> to distribute his code under the GPL, so this would make
> distributing your program illegal. Please don't answer "who
> cares" because Debian does.
> 
> But there _is_ a variant of mpg123's mpglib you can use under the
> conditions of the GPL. It is included in the lame distribution
> (http://lame.sourceforge.net/). Using this version would make
> your program legal and allow inclusion into debian.
> 
> I already replaced the mpglib code in your distribution with that
> from lame 3.87. I put my working results as a patch against
> songprint 1.1 up on
> 
>     http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~ingo/songprint-lame_mpglib.diff
> 
> Please consider applying it to replace the non-free mpg123 code
> with the GPLed one from lame.
> 
>     Ingo
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Re: [Freetantrum-devel] Licensing problem with songprint?

[<ss...@et...>]

Awesome, I'll add this in right away and put out a new tarball.  Thanks!

Scott

Ingo Saitz wrote:
> 
> MoiN
> 
> I am going to package songprint for debian GNU/Linux. However, it
> apperars that you are using code from mpg123 which may not be
> included in GPLed programs. In the copyrights file to mpg123 it
> reads:
> 
> > DISTRIBUTION:
> >
> > ... [mpg123 must be] distributed in its entirety, ... It may not
> > be sold for profit or as "hidden" part of another software, ...
> 
> You nowhere seem to mention permissions from the author of mpg123
> to distribute his code under the GPL, so this would make
> distributing your program illegal. Please don't answer "who
> cares" because Debian does.
> 
> But there _is_ a variant of mpg123's mpglib you can use under the
> conditions of the GPL. It is included in the lame distribution
> (http://lame.sourceforge.net/). Using this version would make
> your program legal and allow inclusion into debian.
> 
> I already replaced the mpglib code in your distribution with that
> from lame 3.87. I put my working results as a patch against
> songprint 1.1 up on
> 
>     http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~ingo/songprint-lame_mpglib.diff
> 
> Please consider applying it to replace the non-free mpg123 code
> with the GPLed one from lame.
> 
>     Ingo
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[Freetantrum-devel] Licensing problem with songprint?

[Ingo S. <Ing...@st...>]

MoiN

I am going to package songprint for debian GNU/Linux. However, it
apperars that you are using code from mpg123 which may not be
included in GPLed programs. In the copyrights file to mpg123 it
reads:

> DISTRIBUTION:
> 
> ... [mpg123 must be] distributed in its entirety, ... It may not
> be sold for profit or as "hidden" part of another software, ...

You nowhere seem to mention permissions from the author of mpg123
to distribute his code under the GPL, so this would make
distributing your program illegal. Please don't answer "who
cares" because Debian does.

But there _is_ a variant of mpg123's mpglib you can use under the
conditions of the GPL. It is included in the lame distribution
(http://lame.sourceforge.net/). Using this version would make
your program legal and allow inclusion into debian.

I already replaced the mpglib code in your distribution with that
from lame 3.87. I put my working results as a patch against
songprint 1.1 up on

    http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~ingo/songprint-lame_mpglib.diff

Please consider applying it to replace the non-free mpg123 code
with the GPLed one from lame.

    Ingo
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Re: [Freetantrum-devel] SongSigDemo.exe for Win32

[<ss...@et...>]

Yeah, I'm having some database issues right now, looks like the root
drive on the DB server is dieing on me. It should be working now.

John Zitterkopf wrote:
> 
> I haven't had time to figure out why My version of the source isn't
> compiling on my platform. It keeps failing for the linker.... but Not sure
> why.
> 
> Does anyone have a compiled working copy of SongSigDemo.EXE for Win32 they
> could point me two?
> 
> I can't get the PMA to work either... it keeps asking for a
> username/password... then times out with a server error.
> 
> John
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[Freetantrum-devel] SongSigDemo.exe for Win32

[John Z. <zi...@bi...>]

I haven't had time to figure out why My version of the source isn't
compiling on my platform. It keeps failing for the linker.... but Not sure
why.

Does anyone have a compiled working copy of SongSigDemo.EXE for Win32 they
could point me two?

I can't get the PMA to work either... it keeps asking for a
username/password... then times out with a server error.

John
              EE's do it 'til it Hz 8-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~John D. Zitterkopf~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Re: [Freetantrum-devel] sp_example questions

[Bob C. <bo...@es...>]

> NB to freetantrum admins :
> It is weird that a reply to a freetantrum-devel post goes to the sender
> instead of the mailing list (maybe with a CC to the sender ?).

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention when I replied to your earlier message
and I meant it to go to the list... oh well.

With mailman by default, replies go to the original poster and not the 
list.  There is a rationale (perhaps a flimsy one) that it breaks 
personal replies (if a user specifies his own Reply-To) and that it 
doesn't add functionality -- group reply should already work.  

Personally, I really don't care either way.  It's been fought over on 
every mailing list I've been on, so I can change it to whatever 
everyone wants.

-Bob

RE: [Freetantrum-devel] sp_example questions

[Julien C. <jco...@re...>]

Hi,

> --------------------------------
> 1. Which part of a song is the Songprint ID really based on?  (30 secs ?)
> --------------------------------

Here is what Bob Copeland replied to me a couple days ago :
"Nope, there are no docs on the algorithm.  The gist of it:
- for every block of 2048 samples, do an fft, then quantize to 16 bands.
- repeat for 30 seconds worth of pcm data
- generate the mean and std deviations of those 16 bands across the 30 secs.

Etantrum has some beat analyzing code that would improve the algo, but
whether or not it sees the light of day remains to be seen."

So it seems you are right for the 30 seconds thing !
I agree that this is not perfect. But I think this kind of "a couple seconds
missing" ripping is rather rare.
I just started looking into the code last week so I am no guru, and I don't
know what could be better. It seems etantrum is working on a "streamID"
though, which I hope could help identify music when you missed the
beginning.

> --------------------------------
> 2. Is there any easy way to capture the Songprint key locally from
> sp_example?
> --------------------------------
> I'm trying to identify the Songprint ID generated by sp_example so that
> I can use it to query Songprint separately from the key extraction
> process. Is there an easy modification that I can do to sp_example to
> allow me local access to the key?

In the sp_identify_file, there is sp_generate_signature used. Here is the
interface.

/**
 *  sp_generate_signature:
 *  @song_audio_format   Audio format of pcm data stream
 *  @signature           Structure to which signature is written
 *  @get_pcm_data        Callback to get samples from pcm data stream
 *  @user_data           Caller-defined parameter to pcm callback
 *
 *  Generates a signature for a waveform.  All pcm data is procured
 *  by calling @get_pcm_data, and the resulting signature is stored
 *  in @signature.
 *
 *  Returns SP_SUCCESS if a signature was successfully generated.
 */
sp_rv
sp_generate_signature (sp_audio_info_t * song_audio_format,
                       sp_signature_t * signature,
                       guint (*get_pcm_data) (guint sample_offset,
                                              guint num_samples,
                                              guchar * output_buf,
                                              void *user_data),
                       void *user_data)

It seems to be what you are looking for. The developers will correct me if I
am wrong :)
After this signature (songprintID) is generated, it seems to be sent to the
server which replies with the MusicID.
Also, the sp_identify_file (a bit shortened) seems to fit what you would
like to do.

NB to freetantrum admins :
It is weird that a reply to a freetantrum-devel post goes to the sender
instead of the mailing list (maybe with a CC to the sender ?).

See you
Julien

[Freetantrum-devel] sp_example questions

[V.Lanard <vl...@ya...>]

--------------------------------
1. Which part of a song is the Songprint ID really based on?  
--------------------------------
I've been experimenting with sp_example to determine how small of an MP3
will successfully match an entry in the Songprint database.  What I've
found is that the first 30 seconds (or 400K) of a song seems to work
pretty consistently, but any other portion of the same song is not
recognized, regardless of length.  I don't know whether this is
something specific to sp_example or the underlying algorithm and I
haven't started looking at the code.  

This leads me to wonder whether 30 valid seconds of a song followed by a
cuckoo's egg would fool the database?  Also, for any clip of a song to
be recognized, that exact clip would have had to be entered into the
Songprint database by someone, right?  So seconds 10-40 of a song would
have a different key than seconds 0-30.  And judging by my testing of
sp_example, the entire song's key matches the key from seconds 0-30 but
not 10-40 or 0-10 or any other clip. This seems like it will lead to a
situation where any imperfect encoding of a song (ie. a song missing the
first few seconds) would cause the Songprint database not to recognize
the song unless someone had submitted a key from exactly that imperfect
version.

--------------------------------
2. Is there any easy way to capture the Songprint key locally from
sp_example?
--------------------------------
I'm trying to identify the Songprint ID generated by sp_example so that
I can use it to query Songprint separately from the key extraction
process. Is there an easy modification that I can do to sp_example to
allow me local access to the key?

Thanks!
V.Lanard

[Freetantrum-devel] sp_id_delete_recv function and other questions

[Julien C. <jco...@re...>]

Hi,

I have justed started reading the source for freetantrum's library. There
are some references to the sp_id_delete_recv function, but I could not find
it's declaration. Is it not yet implemented ?

Also, would somebody have an advice on where to start in the code ? Also
does the "signature" algo have a small intro documentation somewhere (if
not, maybe I could try to contribute doing it) ?

I have read that the etantrum libray does the matching of the different
signatures a music piece can have, and brings the unique MusicID,
independently of the bitrate, and format. Does this mean all biterates have
to be used to construct the DB (this is enormous) ? Is there no shortcut
that can be done to this ?

Thanks,
See you,
Julien


Julien Couvreur
RedCart, Enabling Digital Marketplaces.
http://www.redcart.com

Re: [Freetantrum-devel] errors compiling dll

[Tom H. <son...@pu...>]

ok i figured out the problem:

i was not importing the rfftw libs into the fftw lib

below is modified instructions on how to build it

fftw:

open up a new vc++ project
file -> new -> projects tab -> win32 static library

select a folder to build it into
dont check anything when it asks you if you want to add additional libraries

click project -> settings

click on the c/c++ tab
in the category select preprocessor and in additional include directories put in the paths to the fftw and rfftw subdirectories 

there should be a bunch of .c files in this directory.

next select project -> add to project -> files
browse to the fftw directory and select ALL the .c files then hit ok
browse to the rfftw directory and select ALL the .c files then hit ok

the select build -> and then build fftw.lib (fftw might be something different if you gave the project a different name)

ok if you had no errors you now have a .lib file in a subdirectory of the project directory called debug.


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On 10/2/2000 at 10:28 PM Mark Vicuna wrote:

>Hi,
>
>  Yes, that is the only thing you can do.  We should also put Tom's description on
>building the rfftw/glib stuff into the readme.
>
>  Tom, Thanks for the descriptions. ::>
>
>Later,
>MarkV.
>
>Bob Copeland wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 01:57:52AM -0700, Tom Heady wrote:
>> > sp_signature.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rfftw_create_plan
>> > sp_signature.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rfftw_destroy_plan
>> > sp_signature.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rfftw_one
>> > Debug/songprint.dll : fatal error LNK1120: 3 unresolved externals
>> > Error executing link.exe.
>> >
>> > what does that mean and what should i do?
>>
>> That's the VC linker telling you that rfftw_* functions aren't exported
>> in the fftw libs on Win32 (they are on Unix).  As I'm not a windows guy,
>> I'm not sure of the "right" fix, but this will get it to work:
>>
>> Edit rfftw/rfftw.h, find the prototypes for rfftw_one, rfftw_create_plan,
>> and rfftw_destroy_plan.
>>
>> For each prototype (e.g. extern void foo()), rewrite them thus:
>> extern _declspec(dllexport) void foo();
>>
>> Rebuild the fftw libs and that should take care of it.
>>
>> --
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>> www.mindspring.com/~bobcopeland/
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Re: [Freetantrum-devel] errors compiling dll

[Mark V. <mv...@et...>]

Hi,

  Yes, that is the only thing you can do.  We should also put Tom's description on
building the rfftw/glib stuff into the readme.

  Tom, Thanks for the descriptions. ::>

Later,
MarkV.

Bob Copeland wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 01:57:52AM -0700, Tom Heady wrote:
> > sp_signature.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rfftw_create_plan
> > sp_signature.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rfftw_destroy_plan
> > sp_signature.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rfftw_one
> > Debug/songprint.dll : fatal error LNK1120: 3 unresolved externals
> > Error executing link.exe.
> >
> > what does that mean and what should i do?
>
> That's the VC linker telling you that rfftw_* functions aren't exported
> in the fftw libs on Win32 (they are on Unix).  As I'm not a windows guy,
> I'm not sure of the "right" fix, but this will get it to work:
>
> Edit rfftw/rfftw.h, find the prototypes for rfftw_one, rfftw_create_plan,
> and rfftw_destroy_plan.
>
> For each prototype (e.g. extern void foo()), rewrite them thus:
> extern _declspec(dllexport) void foo();
>
> Rebuild the fftw libs and that should take care of it.
>
> --
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Re: [Freetantrum-devel] errors compiling dll

[Bob C. <bo...@ie...>]

On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 01:57:52AM -0700, Tom Heady wrote:
> sp_signature.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rfftw_create_plan
> sp_signature.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rfftw_destroy_plan
> sp_signature.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rfftw_one
> Debug/songprint.dll : fatal error LNK1120: 3 unresolved externals
> Error executing link.exe.
> 
> what does that mean and what should i do?

That's the VC linker telling you that rfftw_* functions aren't exported
in the fftw libs on Win32 (they are on Unix).  As I'm not a windows guy,
I'm not sure of the "right" fix, but this will get it to work:

Edit rfftw/rfftw.h, find the prototypes for rfftw_one, rfftw_create_plan,
and rfftw_destroy_plan. 

For each prototype (e.g. extern void foo()), rewrite them thus:
extern _declspec(dllexport) void foo();

Rebuild the fftw libs and that should take care of it.

-- 
Bob Copeland %%%%% bo...@ie...
www.mindspring.com/~bobcopeland/
pgp: e-mail "pgp-key" in subject

[Freetantrum-devel] errors compiling dll

[Tom H. <son...@pu...>]

i am getting these errors compiling the dll:

--------------------Configuration: sp_sdk_dll - Win32 Debug--------------------
Linking...
   Creating library Debug/songprint_exports.lib and object Debug/songprint_exports.exp
sp_signature.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rfftw_create_plan
sp_signature.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rfftw_destroy_plan
sp_signature.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rfftw_one
Debug/songprint.dll : fatal error LNK1120: 3 unresolved externals
Error executing link.exe.

songprint.dll - 4 error(s), 0 warning(s)


what does that mean and what should i do?

---tom

Re: [Freetantrum-devel] question about building the dll

[Tom H. <son...@pu...>]

ah
so i figured out that i have to compile the source of the libs
here is how i did it:

fftw:

open up a new vc++ project
file -> new -> projects tab -> win32 static library

select a folder to build it into
dont check anything when it asks you if you want to add additional libraries

click project -> settings

click on the c/c++ tab
in the category select preprocessor and in additional include directories put in the path to where you extracted the fftw-2.1.3.zip file + fftw ( mine is D:\OTSLibs\fftw-2.1.3\fftw )

there should be a bunch of .c files in this directory.

next select project -> add to project -> files
browse to the same fftw directory and select ALL the .c files then hit ok

the select build -> and then build fftw.lib (fftw might be something different if you gave the project a different name)

ok if you had no errors you now have a .lib file in a subdirectory of the project directory called debug.

NEXT:

for the glib its a little easier:
go here:
http://user.sgic.fi/~tml/gimp/win32/downloads.html

download this file:
http://www.gimp.org/win32/glib-dev-20000805.zip

it has the lib file in it (glib-1.3.lib)

there
now you have both the lib files you need

---tom



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On 10/1/2000 at 11:48 PM Mark Vicuna wrote:

>Hi,
>
>  The 'Additional Libraries' are the .libs from the fftw and glib distro's.  Just put all of them in a directory and change the path in the settings tab to that directory.
>
>Later,
>MarkV.
>
>
>
>
>Tom Heady wrote:
>
>> i have a question about building in vc++ 6:
>> note: i do not know c++ and dont't know much about vc++.
>>
>> in the readme it says:
>>
>> When trying to build the sp_sdk_dll library, you will need
>> to also go to the Link tab, select the Input Category, and enter the
>> correct path to the glib and fftw library files in the "Additional
>> library path" edit box.
>>
>> well i downloaded the glib and fftw files, and have no idea which file in each distribution is the "library" file.
>>
>> thanks for the help
>>
>> ---tom
>>
>> BTW: all i really want to do is get a dll ( or exe, prefer dll ) that i can call from perl so i can identify and tag my mp3's have you guys thought about releasing a binary or something?
>>
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Re: [Freetantrum-devel] question about building the dll

[Mark V. <mv...@et...>]

Hi,

  The 'Additional Libraries' are the .libs from the fftw and glib distro's.  Just put all of them in a directory and change the path in the settings tab to that directory.

Later,
MarkV.




Tom Heady wrote:

> i have a question about building in vc++ 6:
> note: i do not know c++ and dont't know much about vc++.
>
> in the readme it says:
>
> When trying to build the sp_sdk_dll library, you will need
> to also go to the Link tab, select the Input Category, and enter the
> correct path to the glib and fftw library files in the "Additional
> library path" edit box.
>
> well i downloaded the glib and fftw files, and have no idea which file in each distribution is the "library" file.
>
> thanks for the help
>
> ---tom
>
> BTW: all i really want to do is get a dll ( or exe, prefer dll ) that i can call from perl so i can identify and tag my mp3's have you guys thought about releasing a binary or something?
>
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[Freetantrum-devel] question about building the dll

[Tom H. <son...@pu...>]

i have a question about building in vc++ 6:
note: i do not know c++ and dont't know much about vc++.


in the readme it says:

When trying to build the sp_sdk_dll library, you will need
to also go to the Link tab, select the Input Category, and enter the
correct path to the glib and fftw library files in the "Additional
library path" edit box.

well i downloaded the glib and fftw files, and have no idea which file in each distribution is the "library" file.

thanks for the help

---tom

BTW: all i really want to do is get a dll ( or exe, prefer dll ) that i can call from perl so i can identify and tag my mp3's have you guys thought about releasing a binary or something?

[Freetantrum-devel] songprint 1.1

[Bob C. <bco...@et...>]

Hi,

Just letting everyone know that songprint 1.1 is up on the sourceforge
site.  We took all of the codecs and put them in a convenience library,
so developing simple applications using our decoders should be easier.
We also changed the servers to return the media id and moreinfo url
for matched songs as a label in the packet.  

Also, check out mpt (also on our project page), a rule-based playlist 
generator that uses the new library to sort your music.

-Bob

Re: [Freetantrum-devel] Failures so far.

[Myers W. C. <my...@fi...>]

On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 11:49:18AM -0400, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Myers W. Carpenter wrote:
> 
> > Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> > > 
> > > Farmy (the CEO) has said (in IRC) that they plan on releasing the server
> > > under GPL and the database under a 'GPL like licence; Potentially the
> > > GPL'.
[...snip....]
> I sent that to you via private email for a reason: It's not an official
> statement. It was part of of a conversation in IRC, I just wanted you to
> know that you aren't the only person with concerns, and that eTantrum is
> aware of them.

	I apologize.  Sourceforge mailing lists don't set the Return-path:
to the the mailing list, so I often get a lot of responses to me that were
for the mailing list, not just me.  I made the assumtion that that is what
happened here (and you know what they say about making assumtions... you
make an ass out of you and mtion :).   I should have asked first before
reposting.

	Again, sorry,
			myers   


-- 
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[Freetantrum-devel] shn support

[Douglas F. E. <dfe...@sy...>]

Hello,
 Sorry for the grovel but my coding is horrible. There is a compression format
shorten that is a lossless compression format for wav files. THey shrink the
size by almost half. There are the de facto standard for trading digital
bootlegs across the net because they do not affect sound quality. There is an
xmms plugin to use them and decompress on te fly. I think the functionalty
would be great for pma. If you use wavs this would save a lot of hd space. the
plugin that does the on the fly decompression can be found at :

http://freshmeat.net/projects/xmms-shn/homepage/

Thank you very much and once again sorry for the grovel.
I would be willing to test the software in early releases if someone would be
interestted. I am also going to mail the author of the plugin to see if he
would be interested. 

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Re: [Freetantrum-devel] Failures so far.

[Scott R. S. <ss...@et...>]

"Myers W. Carpenter" wrote:
> 
> Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> >
> > Farmy (the CEO) has said (in IRC) that they plan on releasing the server
> > under GPL and the database under a 'GPL like licence; Potentially the
> > GPL'.
> 
>         Better the Open Content license.  It's made for this kind of stuff.
> 
>         I'm sure you are aware that musicbrainz.org (aka cdindex.org) is making
> a database just like this, using the other GPL'ed music fingerprinting
> software Relatable.  Right now the only way to get their code is to hack
> it out of FreeAmp, but it's out there.
> 
>         Just some notes.
> 
>                         myers

For the record, Im the CIO (Chief Information Officer), not the CEO.
Sure we know about Relatable, they're in our neighborhood as a matter of
fact. We know Tuneprint as well, indeed Geoff and I even had lunch
together sometime back. 

Greg Maxwell pointed out something very important in his post, eTantrum
is a business, so it's not as cut and dry as saying let's opensource
everything. There are other people here, with thier own opinions about
strategy on how we can become sucessful, whom I respect very much. These
things take time. Rest assured though, we talk about ways of making this
both a completely open project, that also makes good business sense
daily. 

Believe me when I say we're listening to you about licensing issues.
We're getting equal amounts of flack from open source advocates on 100%
access to the code, and from other businesses that can't use the SDK
because they are closed source. There are also issues with the data on
our end, that although we can use it in our business, and on our
servers, we had to purchase it, so we cant for example OCL that. 

Its quite the quagmire :) But, we will come up with a solution to all
this, because we want to do the right thing.

Thanks,

--
Scott Shinn
CIO / Co-founder
eTantrum.com, Inc.

Re: [Freetantrum-devel] Failures so far.

[Gregory M. <gr...@li...>]

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On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Myers W. Carpenter wrote:

> Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> > 
> > Farmy (the CEO) has said (in IRC) that they plan on releasing the server
> > under GPL and the database under a 'GPL like licence; Potentially the
> > GPL'.
> 
> 	Better the Open Content license.  It's made for this kind of stuff.
> 
> 	I'm sure you are aware that musicbrainz.org (aka cdindex.org) is making
> a database just like this, using the other GPL'ed music fingerprinting
> software Relatable.  Right now the only way to get their code is to hack
> it out of FreeAmp, but it's out there.

I sent that to you via private email for a reason: It's not an official
statement. It was part of of a conversation in IRC, I just wanted you to
know that you aren't the only person with concerns, and that eTantrum is
aware of them.

For both technological and political reasons, I don't intend to make use
of their songprint technology in my projects until the intellectual
property issues are made more clearly acceptable. I am hopeful this will
be the case, as their technology appears to be powerful and the company
appears to be smart in their dealings.

It takes time because the legal issues are complicated and they are
walking a fine line.. They must determine how to make a profit while at
the same time they appear to desire openness (and they are wise enough to
realize they will likely not be successful if they remain closed).

I am not an employee of eTantrum, and something I overheard (and
potentially misunderstood) in IRC is not an official statement of
eTantrum's policy or future direction.

I think it's valuable to be able to hear what they are considering on a
non-official level. But by blasting it out publicly you risk souring
their mouths and keeping them quiet.

It's bad nettequite to publicly post messages sent privately without
permission. I am also concerned that you potentially misrepresented me by
only posting a portion of my email.

I'd appreciate it if you don't do that to me again in the future.
Thanks.
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