as promised, I have now posted the zip with updated Windows launchers, one taking Java from "jre/bin/javaw.exe", into the following patch:http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1361629&group_id=7118&atid=307118
I have created a documentation page about the Windows launcher:http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Windows_launcher
As regards licensing: In an email that you have sent to me and that I am quoting below, you have referred me to two open source projects that bundle Java into their installers. I have added them into the wiki:
However, the first project does not have a pure GPL; they have modified it to make it possible to link with non-free code.
The second project does not state their license on their web page; that they have GPL follows from their entry in their SourceForge project page. There is no evidence that the other project knows what they are doing.
I see no evidence that bundling FreeMind, licensed under pure GPL V2+, with Java is legally correct.
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Dan Polansky <email@example.com
okay; I will create the exe in any case, regardless of the opened licensing issue. This I will do no sooner than on the coming weekend.
But as regards licensing, IMHO we should proceed in a risk-averse way, and consider such a bundling a license violation, unless clearly demonstrated otherwise. My concern is not that we violate Sun's license; my concern is that we violate FreeMind's GNU GPL.
I prefer hard facts to speculation. And I prefer to rely on the thought and experience of a multitude of other people, those who are experienced or if possible expert, if available. Do you know of any other open source software licensed under GNU GPL that contains Java bundled?
I understand that FreeMind needs Java. FreeMind also needs an operating system, some of which are proprietary. The key point is *bundling*, not *need*, from what I understand.
On Feb 18, 2008 8:25 PM, Christian Foltin (GMX) <firstname.lastname@example.org
beside the licensing, do you still create the .exe for me? The
packaging needs some time to be created.
Moreover, remember, that every user of FreeMind needs Java to execute
And it is only the question, if we are allowed to package and
distribute the java with our proprietary program.
We can' t claim, that the result is GPL (at least not for java 5+6,
java7 is gpl, but not available AFAIK).
Best regards, Chris
Dan Polansky schrieb:
I think it should be possible for me to make it tomorrow to produce a
version of FreeMind.exe that takes the Java runtime from a specific
But what I see as an issue is the licensing of Java runtime. Though I
have already devoted some attention to copyright issues, I am still a
non-expert. FreeMind is licensed under GNU GPL; bundling with it
something that has not an open source license seems highly risky of
Unless we have a clear evidence that there are no licensing issues, we
should avoid bundling with FreeMind anything without a license
compatible with GNU GPL.
On Feb 16, 2008 10:41 PM, Christian Foltin
this will cost you at least a couple of beer ;-)
Dan, I want to publish an installer version including the java runtime:
FreeMind-0-8-1-max-Java-included, too. What do you think?
From the license of the runtime, it should be possible (see below).
I would need your help in creating a freemind.exe that takes a java.exe
from a subdirectory jre/bin/java.exe.
Can you supply such an exe, soon?
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