Ship Names

2010-12-09
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  • Sergei Martynov

    Sergei Martynov - 2010-12-09

    Please can we have named ships? Its really hard too keep in minds with one sailing to europ and back to new world :)

    Thank You!

     
  • Anonymous - 2010-12-09

    seeing ships' names would enhance the experience for sure

     
  • Phil Grant

    Phil Grant - 2010-12-14

    Select a ship. Choose rename from the "Orders" menu.

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-05-19

    He is right that the game could have default lists for each country.

     
  • Mike Pope

    Mike Pope - 2012-05-19

    To have named ships in FreeCol requires two things to be done.

    1. Collection of a historically suitable list of ship names for each nation.

    2. Code to use the list/s.

    I am prepared to do #2, but not until #1 is in good shape.  So here is your chance folks-- nothing gets done in volunteer projects like FreeCol until someone steps up and does it.

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-05-20

    How many ships do you think the average player runs?

    My own guess would be that the caravel list doesn't need to get much beyond 1, while the privateer list might need a depth of about what? 40?

     
  • Mike Pope

    Mike Pope - 2012-05-20

    Playing styles vary vastly, so this is hard to predict.  I rarely build more than three privateers if going for a land victory, but others build vast fleets of them and destroy the REF at sea.  So IMHO for the first cut we should just ignore ship type, and allocate names to ships as they are created until the names for that player/nation run out.  If a name seems poorly chosen, the rename command is already present and working.

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-05-21

    Ok.

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-05-21

    Starting ships

    Spanish
    La Santa María de la Inmaculada Concepción (C. Columbus, Caribbean)

    Portuguese
    El Rei (P.A. Cabral's 2d ship, Brazil; flagship unknown)

    French
    Grande Hermine (J. Cartier, Quebec)

    English
    Matthew (J. Cabot, Newfoundland)

    Dutch
    Halve Maen (Henry Hudson, New York)

    Dano-Norwegians
    Haabet (Hans Egede, Greenland)

    Swedes
    Kalmar Nyckel (Peter Minuit, Delaware)

    Russians
    Sviatoi Gavriil (Ivan Fyodorov, Alaska)

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-05-22

    Optional French: Verrazzano's 1508 La Pensée (although it landed near Carolina, which would make the French play oddly)

     
  • Mike Pope

    Mike Pope - 2012-05-23

    Cool.  Keep them coming:-).

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-05-26

    Optional Danish: Cunningham's 1606 Trost (failed Greenland expedition) or Smit's 1665 Eendragt (first colony in the Virgin Islands)

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-05-26

    I don't think having a single ship list will work very well - the merchant ships and martial ones are just too differently named: HMS Two Brothers is almost as silly as the Jamaicaman Vengeance. It's fun to have famous ships of exploration and use their old spellings, but you'd want it to end by the 1700s. So I'm thinking at least three lists: one for the caravels, another for the merchants & galleons, and a third for the warships. If I find enough names, though, we could split it up more than that:

    caravels: historic explorers; caravels, naos, pinnaces, carracks
    privateers: historic privateers <30 guns; warships <20 guns
    merchantmen: fluyts & co.; ships <300 tons burthen
    galleons: big boys like the treasure ships, the East Indiamen, slavers, whalers
    frigates: warships of 20< & <60 guns (which includes the British "frigates" along with some 4th, 5th, & 6th rate "ships of the line")
    man o'war: warships of 60+ guns

    For Freecol 2, if we're going to have named ships, we might want to use long lists and start including what actually happened to them: lost to ice in the north, hurricanes and shoals in the south, and surviving only a few decades due to rot everywhere. It would change the game dramatically to (a) cheapen them, (b) give them historic speeds, and (C) restrict them to historical eras: nothing but caravels in the early game, building up to merchantmen and then galleons, then strong privateers, frigates, and men o'war only showing up late. Of course, caravels, merchants, and galleons (given artillery?) would need to be given attacking power…

    Ships lost in combat definitely need to be captured rather than sunk or damaged and returned, though.

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-05-26

    Oh, for a fee, though, the aging ships could be refitted; rebuilt to newer models like the British navies were; or sold to poorer powers.

     
  • Mike Pope

    Mike Pope - 2012-05-26

    If you can come up with enough ship names that each nation has multiple ships in each list, then fair enough.  However I am less worried by the naming incongruities, and I suspect our users will be just happy to have ship names at all.  We already do enough strange stuff (often founding Jamestown within reach of the south pole or Quebec in the tropics, and meeting Aztecs in Africa for that matter).  It is a speculative game at times.  I am also wary of promoting the mistaken idea that a FreeCol unit is representing a single real life entity-- the match is rather poor (e.g. ships did not take 4 years to sail to/from Europe)-- rather it is better to look at, say a galleon as a representation of a small distributed fleet of heavier naval transport available to its owning nation.

    The FreeCol2 ideas are all good.  However, it is pretty easy to have ideas.  Top of my list for FreeCol 2.0 would indeed be an alternate combat system with ship capture a prominent feature.  If any coders are reading this, FreeCol is carefully structured to allow adding alternate combat systems: look at CombatModel.java for the interface required, and SimpleCombatModel.java for the current conforming implementation.  If anyone wants to write their own combat system, I will help with the option support to enable it and extending the server to handle combat results that we do not currently handle.

     
  • Greenknight32

    Greenknight32 - 2012-05-26

    If the ships even had just numbers it would make it easier to keep track of them. Could be used along with naming - after you run out of names, they'd just get numbers.

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-06-02

    Spanish caravels

    (Caravel lists employ period mispelngs from, e.g., Columbus's letters.

    Prior to my fixing most of the relevant wiki articles, y'd not believe how difficult it is to get any decent name lists even for Columbus's expeditions. Anyway, if we need more or something seems really pressing we can add it later. For now, here are Columbus and Magellan's ships, plus a few other early Spanish explorers:)

    Sa. Maria de la Inmaculada Concepcion # Columbus 1
    Santa Clara
    La Pinta
    La Niña
    Marigalante # Columbus 2
    La Gallega
    La Fraila
    Sanct Joan
    La Cardera
    La Gallarda
    La Gutierra
    La Bonial
    La Rodgria
    La Triana
    La Vieja
    La Prieta
    La Gorda
    La Quintera
    La Colina
    Santa Cruz
    La India
    Sa. Maria de Guya #Columbus 3
    La Rabida
    La Vaqueña
    El Correo
    La Castilla
    La Gaza
    La Vizcayna #Columbus 4
    Santiago de Palos
    Sa. Maria de la Antigua #Ojeda 2
    Sa. Maria de la Grenada
    Magdalena
    Santa Ana
    La Garza #Bermudez
    San Cristóbal #Ponce de Leon
    Sa. Maria de la Consolacion
    Ysabelita #Pinzon & Solis
    Sa. Maria de la Concepcion #Cortez
    Trinidad #Magellan
    Concepcion
    Victoria
    Sant Antonio
    Sant Iago

    (Personally suggest incorporating Paradox's unit name model, where #hash tags allow comments and aren't read by the machine and names from the list appear randomly (NOT in order, so that you always get the exact same ship names over and over, and NOT duplicated, so that you end up with four ships with the same name) but the list is weighted so that multiple copies of a single name mean it's more likely to show up faster. For example, the ships from Columbus's first voyage and Magellan's ships could be copied three or four times so they show up a little more often than the less-well-known ones.)

     
  • Mike Pope

    Mike Pope - 2012-06-02

    The existing name lists are stored in Java resource files, which allow comments.  There is no good mechanism for explicit weighting, the although multiple copies trick you suggest would probably work as long as a uniqueness test was required, which we do for Colony names.  Randomization is trivially available by shuffling the name array at load time -- we already do this for native settlement name lists.

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-06-03

    Portuguese caravels

    São Cristóvão #dias
    São Pantaleão
    São Gabriel #da gama 1
    São Rafael
    Bérrio
    São Miguel
    São Pedro #cabral
    Nossa Senhora da Anunciação
    Anunciada
    São Jerónimo #da gama 2
    Lionarda
    Batecabello
    Santa Elena
    Bretoa
    Vera Cruz
    Fradeza
    Salta na Palha
    Leitoa Nova
    São Paulo
    Santa Marta
    Estrella
    Garrida
    São Cristóvão #albuquerque
    Catharina Dias
    Rainha
    Faial
    Judia #almeida
    India
    Madalena
    Concepão
    Bella
    Sant'Iago
    Nunciá
    Esphera
    São Jorge
    São João
    Santo António
    Julioa

    (On the one hand, could certainly use touching up if could find lists of ships to Brazil: most of these were on the India run. On the other, (a) these are more famous and (b) by the time Portugal was paying much attention to Brazil, it was already running 900 and 1000-ton ships…)

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-06-03

    English caravels

    Mathew #cabot
    Mary Guilford #rut
    Sampſon
    Searchthrift #burrough
    Salomon #hawkins 1
    Swallow
    Yonas
    Tyger #hawkins 2
    Iudith #hawkins 3
    William & John
    Angel
    Gabriell #frobisher 1
    Mychaell
    Ayde #frobisher 2
    Dionyſe #frobisher 3
    An Fraunces
    Ffraunces
    Beare
    Thomas Alline
    Thomas
    Armenell
    Emanuell
    Moone
    Hoapwell
    Primroſe #frobisher 4
    Pelickan #drake
    Anne Aucher #gilbert 1
    Relief
    Squirrel #gilbert 2
    Ralegh #gilbert 3
    Delight
    Golden Hinde
    Rowbuck #roanoke 1
    Red Lyon
    Elizabeth
    Dorothie
    Sunneſhine #davis 1
    Mooneſhine
    Mermayde #davis 2
    North Starre
    Ellen #davis 3
    Braue #roanoke 2
    Roe
    Moonelight
    Lyon #grenville / ralegh
    Mary Roſe #hawkins 1
    Hoppe
    Nonpareill
    Rainbouu
    Swiftſure
    Foresight
    Crane
    Quittance
    Reuenge
    Bonauenture
    Garland #hawkins 2
    Defiance
    Aduenture
    Concord #gosnold
    God Speed #weymouth
    Discouerie #hudson
    Resolution #button
    Lyons Whelp #hawkeridge
    Charls #foxe
    Henrietta Maria
    Eaglet #stannard
    Nonſuch
    Messenger #gillam
    Imploy
    Bachelor's Delight
    Harts-eaſe #hall
    Patience
    Sarah Conſtant #virginia
    Virginia #1st american
    Catch #supply 3
    Deliuerance
    Richard #pre-1645
    Gift of God
    Mary & John
    Plough
    Neptune
    Margaret & John
    Duty
    Ffaulcon
    Swan of Barnſtable
    Diana
    Ffurthurance
    Abigall
    Sturgeon
    Supply
    Thomas & John
    Treasurer
    Waruuick
    May-Flower
    Speed Well
    Sparrow
    Charity
    Swan
    Ffortune
    Sea Flower
    Darling
    Anne
    Little James
    Sarah
    Sparrow-Hawk
    Vnity of Deal
    Content
    Porkupine
    Ambroſe
    Arbella
    Jewel
    Succeſs
    Talbot
    Whale
    William & Francis
    Joan Bonauenture
    Joſeph
    Doue
    Bleſſing
    Ann & Sarah
    Coach
    Dorſet
    Carliſle
    Loyalty
    George
    Phoenix
    Gift
    Proſperous
    Ann
    Great Hopewel
    Return
    God's Gift
    Samuel
    Herckules
    Bonny Beſſie
    Jacob
    James
    Southampton
    Star
    De-La-Warre
    John & Francis
    Suſan
    Margaret
    Due Return
    Marmaduke
    Tempurance

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-06-03

    French caravel

    L'Espoir #grenville
    La Pensée #aubert
    La Dauphine #verrazzano
    La Normanda
    La Sibille #misc
    La Michelle
    La Bonne-Aventure
    La Marie des Bonnes Nouvelles
    L'Estendue
    Le Bastien
    Le Lion Couronné
    Le Jacques
    L'Anne-Madeleine
    Le Vicaire
    Le Sacre #parmentier
    La Flamengue
    La Grande-Hermine #cartier
    La Petite-Hermine
    L'Émérillon
    Le Saint-Georges
    Le Saint-Brieuc
    La Valentine #roberval
    La Sainte-Anne
    La Lèchefraye
    La Marye
    La Grande-Roberge #villegaignon
    La Petite-Roberge
    La Rosée
    La Trinité #ribault
    La Perle
    Le Prince
    Le Bonaventure #court
    Le Corbin #bardeliere
    Le Jonas #champlain
    La Bonne-Renommée
    Le Don-de-Dieu
    Le Lévrier
    La Salamandre
    La Vicaille #kertk
    Le Flibot
    Le Régent #razilli
    La Charlotte
    Le Saint-Louis
    La Vierge
    La Couronne
    Le Catholique #d'enambuc
    La Cardinale
    La Victoire
    Le Griffon #la sale
    Le Saint-François

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-06-03

    Dano-Norwegian caravels

    Trost #expeditions
    Hunden
    thenn Röde Löffue
    Löffuen
    Katten
    Vrin
    Gilliflowre
    Grønlandske Kat
    Gabriel #kruse
    Enhiørningen #munk
    Lamprenen
    Fortuna #smit
    Den forgyldte Krone
    Den Unge Tobias # w india co
    thenn Röde Hane
    Maria
    Pelicanen
    Cornelia
    Sankt Thomas
    Hafmandan
    Sankt Vincent
    Cronede Griff
    Falcon
    Fred
    Nyborg
    Drache
    Fuchs
    Kiöbenhavns Nye Waaben
    Gyldenlöves Waaben
    Laurwigen
    Madame Thormölen
    Jægeren
    Gyldenlöffuen
    Enhed
    Neptunus
    Haabeth #egede
    Egle Sophia #misc
    Mercurius

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-06-04

    Dutch caravels

    Halve Maen #hudson
    Sint Pieter #rijser
    Fortuyn #christiaensen
    Tyjger #block
    Neptunus #sval
    Jonge Tobias #mossel
    Vosje
    Nachtegael
    Onrust #american-built
    Schildpad
    Swarte Beer
    Witte Duyf
    Blijde Boodschap
    Bever
    Mackreel
    de Eendracht
    Nieu Nederlandt
    Oranjeboom
    Schaep
    Swarte Paert
    Koe
    Meeuwken
    Wapen de Amsterdam
    Naerden
    Drie Koningen
    Walvis
    Salm
    Goede Hoop
    Eekhoorntje
    Soutberch
    Sint Martijn
    Gelderlant
    Coninck David
    Eenhoorn
    Sevenster
    Rensselaerwijck
    Haring
    Dolphijn
    Calmer Sleutel
    Vogelgrijp
    Wapen van Noorwegen
    Hoop
    Liefde
    Aker
    Westindische Raven
    Brant van Toyen
    Haring
    Angel Gabriel
    Wapen van Leeuwarden
    Waterhond
    Eykenboom
    Witte Valk
    Brandaris
    Reael
    Houttuin
    Pauwe
    Malckmeyt or Melckmeyt
    Swol
    Zwarte Raaf
    Wapen van Rensselaerswijck
    Maecht van Enckhuysen
    Blauwen Haen
    Groote Gerrit
    T'Amandare
    Jager
    Sint Jacob
    Schotsen Duytsman
    Witte Doffer
    Wapen van Nieu Nederlandt
    Kath
    Valckenier
    Sint Beninjo
    Nieu Swol
    Pijnappel
    Nieu Neerlantsche Fortuyn
    Waterhont
    Bonte Coe
    Hoff van Cleef
    Gelderse Blom
    Elbinck
    Coninck Salomon
    Abrahams Offerhande
    Peereboom
    Swarte Arent
    Groote Christoffel
    Witte Paert
    Bonte Koe
    Vergulde Bever
    Vergulde Beer
    Waegh
    Blauwe Duif
    Draetvadt
    Vogelsangh
    Vergulde Meulen
    Nieuwer Amster
    Vogel Struys
    Wasbleecker
    Sint Jan Baptist
    Vergulde Sonne
    Vergulde Otter
    Draetvadt
    Moesman
    Bruynvisch
    Trouw
    Visscher
    Sphera Mundi
    Eyckenboom
    Kock
    Gulden Arent
    Paerel
    Doel
    Purmerlander Kerck
    Roode Roosenboom
    Bonte Koe
    Vergulde Star
    Statijn
    Gideon
    Vos
    Gekruyste Hart
    Ouwde Wagen
    Posthoorn
    Juffrouw Leonora
    Goede Faem
    Margriet
    Gratie
    Witte Kloodt
    Faem
    Swanenburch
    Schaekerloo
    Sint Joris
    Zeehond
    Noorthollandt
    Merimin
    Coopman

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-06-04

    Swedish Caravels

    Calmare Nyckel #Nya Sverige
    Vogel Grip
    Grippen
    Freedenburg
    Charitas
    Fama
    Suanen
    Gyllene Hajen
    Kattan
    Örnen
    Mercurius
    Enigheten #St Barts
    Sprengeporten
    Stockholm
    Hoffi
    Onlyfer
    Elisabeth
    Christina #Africa

    (…which looks to be all there were. maybe more merchant ships later?)

     
  • Jay

    Jay - 2012-06-04

    Russian caravels

    Vostok #plotnitskii
    Okhota
    Velikoe Lamskoe More
    Fortuna #fleet
    Svyatoi Gavriil
    Lev
    Vostochnyi Gavriil
    Bol'sheretsk
    Svyatoi Petr
    Zakharii
    Nikolai
    Nataliya
    Svyatoi Zotik
    Yelisaveta
    Yekaterina
    Gizhiga
    Odissyeya
    Kamchatka
    Severnoi Divizii
    Otkrytie
    Blagonamerennyi
    Apollon
    Ladoga
    Predpriyatie
    Krotkii
    Moller
    Senyavin
    Amerika
    Abo
    Irtysh
    Baikal
    Dvina
    Kad'yak
    Anadyr'
    Svyatoi Petr #2d kamchatka 1733
    Svyatoi Pavel
    Okhotsk #krasheninnikov 1737
    Arkhangel Mikhail #spanberg 1733
    Nadezhda
    Bol'sheretsk
    Svyatoi Ioann
    Aklansk #expedition
    Svyatoi Yelisaveta
    Svyatoi Yekaterina #krenitsyn 1764
    Pallas #billings 1785
    Yasashna
    Slava Rossii
    Dobroe Namerenie
    Cherniyi Orel
    Nataliya #lebedev-lastochkina
    Yunona #company
    Avos'

     
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