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From: Sheryl G. <sh...@al...> - 2002-10-09 14:37:01
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I thought I did send it zipped, but here it is again. :) Sheryl > -----Original Message----- > From: fra...@li... > [mailto:fra...@li...] On > Behalf Of Dmitri Pavlenkov > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:12 PM > To: fra...@li... > Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Site > > > I haven't been working on the website for a while, I > haven't worked on the project at all since our last > discussion. I do remember that you send us your > website in .ace format, can you send it in .zip > format, or .gzip? > > Otherwise, nice of you to drop a line :) > > Dmitri > > --- Sheryl Griffiths <sh...@al...> wrote: > > Been a while everyone. :) > > > > I was perusing our site on sourceforge and noticed > > that none of the > > sub-pages where there. :( Ideas? > > > > Sheryl > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > Fra...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Fractalkiss-devel mailing list Fra...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel |
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From: Dmitri P. <dmi...@ya...> - 2002-10-09 01:12:27
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I haven't been working on the website for a while, I haven't worked on the project at all since our last discussion. I do remember that you send us your website in .ace format, can you send it in .zip format, or .gzip? Otherwise, nice of you to drop a line :) Dmitri --- Sheryl Griffiths <sh...@al...> wrote: > Been a while everyone. :) > > I was perusing our site on sourceforge and noticed > that none of the > sub-pages where there. :( Ideas? > > Sheryl > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > Fra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com |
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From: Sheryl G. <sh...@al...> - 2002-10-02 15:42:31
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Been a while everyone. :) I was perusing our site on sourceforge and noticed that none of the sub-pages where there. :( Ideas? Sheryl |
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From: Sheryl G. <sh...@al...> - 2002-08-09 14:28:11
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I've attached the blank button and a "buttondown" gif. Have fun. :D > -----Original Message----- > From: fra...@li... > [mailto:fra...@li...] On > Behalf Of Nick Lavigne > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:09 AM > To: fra...@li... > Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Site > > > Send what you got to me and I'll try to get the graphics in place. > > >From: Dmitri Pavlenkov <dmi...@ya...> > >Reply-To: fra...@li... > >To: fra...@li... > >Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Site > >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:19:36 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Great, I'll put it up. The only reason I was asking to > >do the graphics thing is because sf.net requires that > >media be uploaded by hand in a separate storage. Right > >now, if it looks good, that's good enough, later we > >may relocate. > > > >Dmitri > > > >--- Sheryl Griffiths <sh...@al...> wrote: > > > Here's the php version of the site. The content > > > files (*.txt) are in > > > html form. > > > > > > Sorry it took so long Dmitri. I still haven't > > > figured out the graphics > > > stuff for the nav. If you want to use it I'm afraid > > > you'll have to have > > > someone else do it. :( > > > > > > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream > >name=fractalkiss.ace > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > >http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > >Welcome to geek heaven. > >http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > >Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > >Fra...@li... > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > Fra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > |
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From: Nick L. <nic...@ho...> - 2002-08-09 14:08:55
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Send what you got to me and I'll try to get the graphics in place. >From: Dmitri Pavlenkov <dmi...@ya...> >Reply-To: fra...@li... >To: fra...@li... >Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Site >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:19:36 -0700 (PDT) > >Great, I'll put it up. The only reason I was asking to >do the graphics thing is because sf.net requires that >media be uploaded by hand in a separate storage. Right >now, if it looks good, that's good enough, later we >may relocate. > >Dmitri > >--- Sheryl Griffiths <sh...@al...> wrote: > > Here's the php version of the site. The content > > files (*.txt) are in > > html form. > > > > Sorry it took so long Dmitri. I still haven't > > figured out the graphics > > stuff for the nav. If you want to use it I'm afraid > > you'll have to have > > someone else do it. :( > > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream >name=fractalkiss.ace > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >Welcome to geek heaven. >http://thinkgeek.com/sf >_______________________________________________ >Fractalkiss-devel mailing list >Fra...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com |
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From: Dmitri P. <dmi...@ya...> - 2002-08-09 03:39:26
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Another thing, can you send this in zip or gzip format, while I'm looking for ace archiver? Dmitri --- Sheryl Griffiths <sh...@al...> wrote: > Here's the php version of the site. The content > files (*.txt) are in > html form. > > Sorry it took so long Dmitri. I still haven't > figured out the graphics > stuff for the nav. If you want to use it I'm afraid > you'll have to have > someone else do it. :( > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream name=fractalkiss.ace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com |
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From: Dmitri P. <dmi...@ya...> - 2002-08-09 03:19:37
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Great, I'll put it up. The only reason I was asking to do the graphics thing is because sf.net requires that media be uploaded by hand in a separate storage. Right now, if it looks good, that's good enough, later we may relocate. Dmitri --- Sheryl Griffiths <sh...@al...> wrote: > Here's the php version of the site. The content > files (*.txt) are in > html form. > > Sorry it took so long Dmitri. I still haven't > figured out the graphics > stuff for the nav. If you want to use it I'm afraid > you'll have to have > someone else do it. :( > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream name=fractalkiss.ace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com |
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From: Sheryl G. <sh...@al...> - 2002-08-09 02:15:10
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Here's the php version of the site. The content files (*.txt) are in html form. Sorry it took so long Dmitri. I still haven't figured out the graphics stuff for the nav. If you want to use it I'm afraid you'll have to have someone else do it. :( |
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From: Dmitri P. <dmi...@ya...> - 2002-07-28 15:10:22
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Yes, I suspected it won't be that easy, all right then, let's have php switch. I'll update the site. Dmitri --- Sheryl Griffiths <sh...@al...> wrote: > If you use hidden/vis it won't display properly in > Opera. I wrote a CSS > creator that uses that and it *never* looks right in > Opera. I usually > use a switch when I want to keep everything on one > page and PHP is > installed on the server. I then put all my data in > txt files and > display those when a link is clicked. That also > makes for easier > updating, as finding pages worth of data in one file > is kind of a pain. > > I'm still trying to figure out the buttons. If you > know how to do it, > go ahead, as I've been caught up in client issues > and haven't had time > to look into it. > > You didn't copy all of the site, so I'm enclosing > it. > > Sojan: I haven't done anything with the meta tags > or disablility > compliance. Help yourself. :) I code in strict > xhtml format, so the > correct doctype is already on the page. :) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > fra...@li... > > > [mailto:fra...@li...] > On > > Behalf Of Dmitri Pavlenkov > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:36 PM > > To: fra...@so... > > Subject: [Fractalkiss-devel] Site > > > > > > Regarding links, use hidden/visible div technique > to > > display link information, instead of creating new > > pages, that way page won't have to be reloaded. > This > > is ok for now because there's nothing much to > show. > > > > Dmitri > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > Fra...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream name=fractalkiss.ace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com |
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From: Sheryl G. <sh...@al...> - 2002-07-28 04:37:26
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If you use hidden/vis it won't display properly in Opera. I wrote a CSS creator that uses that and it *never* looks right in Opera. I usually use a switch when I want to keep everything on one page and PHP is installed on the server. I then put all my data in txt files and display those when a link is clicked. That also makes for easier updating, as finding pages worth of data in one file is kind of a pain. I'm still trying to figure out the buttons. If you know how to do it, go ahead, as I've been caught up in client issues and haven't had time to look into it. You didn't copy all of the site, so I'm enclosing it. Sojan: I haven't done anything with the meta tags or disablility compliance. Help yourself. :) I code in strict xhtml format, so the correct doctype is already on the page. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: fra...@li... > [mailto:fra...@li...] On > Behalf Of Dmitri Pavlenkov > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:36 PM > To: fra...@so... > Subject: [Fractalkiss-devel] Site > > > Regarding links, use hidden/visible div technique to > display link information, instead of creating new > pages, that way page won't have to be reloaded. This > is ok for now because there's nothing much to show. > > Dmitri > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Fractalkiss-devel mailing list Fra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > |
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From: Dmitri P. <dmi...@ya...> - 2002-07-28 02:35:38
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Regarding links, use hidden/visible div technique to display link information, instead of creating new pages, that way page won't have to be reloaded. This is ok for now because there's nothing much to show. Dmitri __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com |
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From: Dmitri P. <dmi...@ya...> - 2002-07-28 02:30:48
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I copied the site from alsher.com to fractalkiss.sf.net looks good, I'll be adding something to links, how's everybody? Dmitri __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com |
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From: Dmitri P. <dmi...@ya...> - 2002-07-26 10:37:15
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It's very nice of you to shell out so much advice, you'll be able to do something hands on when the look of the website is complete. Dmitri --- "Sojan A." <so...@ho...> wrote: > Dimitri and Sheryl, > Just so you know, the keywords in the keywod > meta are supposed to be > coma delimited, so place a coma between each keyword > so the robots will pick > it as actually being keywords. > > Now, if you don't want IE to cache the webpages so > users are always greeted > with the latest version of the page then add this > meta tag: > > <meta name="PRAGMA" Content="NO-CACHE"> > > Also if you want to you can set the expiration of > the page to as little as > imediately after load to as much as a year or more. > You may also want to > give some thought to cookie use as it would allow > you to make the website > respond more personally to repeat visitors as it > would place a cookie on > their hard drive that would store things like the > name they used to log into > the site etc... So, if you wanted to you could have > a pop-up that said > something like: > > "Hi, Dimitri, a lot has changed here at FractalKiss > since your last visit on > mm/dd/yyyy" oh yeah, to have the robots index the > site you can add two > different meta tags: > > <meta name="robots" Content="index, follow"> > > this is the easiest one to use because the robots > index and follow the site, > however, somewhere in my archives I have one where > you can tell the robots > how often to index the site and I will dig that one > up too and email it. If > you use that one there is nothing that says you > can't have the site indexed > everyday if you wanted which would also place you > higher in the search > engine results by the way... > > Section 508 compliance is a horse of another color: > To start with put this doctype tag above the <html> > tag: > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 > Transitional//EN"> > > This lets the robots and readers know that the page > is a "public" page so it > is available to everyone. > > This tag sets the "default language of the page: > > <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us"> > > which means the default language is English-US, if > you wanted to set it to > UK english the just change it to en-uk instead of > en-us. > There are lots of other changes that would need to > be made to the code to > make it more accessible to browsers for the disabled > and I can go into those > if you would like if if Sheryl would rather I can > email her privately since > she wrote the code and explain what changes need to > be made to make the code > US Section 508 compliant. Otherwise you can always > go to > http://www,cast.org/bobby/ and use their online > section 508 compliance > checker, which while not perfect is a good start. > Downside is the w3c and > the people at cast have yet to sit down and agree on > what needs to be added > to HTML 4 and what doesn't so some of the stuff > bobby suggests like the > "longdesc" are not yet supported by any browsers. > > > Well I should stop now before I get carried away... > Sheryl, if you want you > can go check out a site I just did at the University > where I go to school > that had to be made Section 508 compliant. Just view > the source code and you > should see a lot of different things that will need > to be added to fractal > kiss if you want to shoot for section 508 > compliance. the url is > "http://www.uwsp.edu/it/labs/" > > Laters... > > S > > >From: Dmitri Pavlenkov <dmi...@ya...> > >Reply-To: fra...@li... > >To: fra...@li... > >Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Buttons > >Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:53:31 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Definitely, accessibility would be a great > addition, > >Sojan, and all other compatibility features. I > believe > >there is a keyword meta tag in place on the present > >website http://fractalkiss.sf.net Also, if you can > >come with some more keywords that you think are > >appropriate, that would be very welcome. > > > >Dmitri > > > >--- "Sojan A." <so...@ho...> wrote: > > > Sheryl, > > > Well, the most comman META Tags are of > course > > > Description and Keyword > > > but there are others you can use to make the > search > > > engines index the site > > > and follow it. I'll put the index/follow meta > tags > > > together but I think > > > Dimitri may have to come up with the keywords he > > > wants used and possibly the > > > descriptions since this is his site/dream and he > > > knows it best. I should be > > > able to get online and see the site again > tonight... > > > =) > > > > > > Fireworks is like a gif animator/rollover > generator. > > > I also hand code though > > > I am just getting started with PHP. I am alos > > > familiar with the rwuitements > > > for US Section 508 compliance that would allow > the > > > browsers for the disabled > > > to reead the text of the site to the blind for > > > instance. If this is > > > something Dimitiri is interested in > incorporating to > > > the site then we can > > > get it done as most of the changes to the pages > to > > > make them readable by the > > > browsers for the disabled would have to be done > > > code-side... > > > > > > More later... bye for now.. > > > > > > S > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sheryl Griffiths" <sh...@al...> > > > >Reply-To: > fra...@li... > > > >To: <fra...@li...> > > > >Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Buttons > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:40:22 -0400 > > > > > > > >You haven't been back to > > > www.alsher.com/sites/fractalkiss/ in a while > > > >have you Sojan? :) Please look at the source > > > code. I design in CSS2 > > > >and use div tags. I'm using Photoshop 7. > > > > > > > >I'm assuming Fireworks is like the other > WYSIWYG > > > editors. If so, then > > > >the code is horrendous. I hand code. > > > > > > > >I don't think creating a button class will > work, > > > unless you create the > > > >blank button, then use text over it. This > leads to > > > more problems in my > > > >opinion. You'll have to do an imagemap to > allow > > > the entire button to be > > > >linked. If you only have the text clickable, > then > > > why have buttons at > > > >all? It's easier just to use buttons and put a > > > little javascript in the > > > >anchor tag. ;) I think it's something like > > > >onmouseover="button.src=buttonon.gif" > > > >onmouseout="button.src=buttonoff.gif" so it's > > > really no trouble. > > > > > > > >I'm using PHP on the include files, as it's > easier > > > than trying to write > > > >Javascript includes. As far as making the > content > > > dynamic using > > > >databases, the only real application I see here > is > > > perhaps the > > > >downloads, or if we want to have a member base. > > > I've got a little > > > >script I was going to put on the downloads page > > > that tracks how many > > > >times people download a specific file - kind of > a > > > ranking system. > > > > > > > >We need the rest of the text for the site, as > > > unless Dmitri has anything > > > >to add, it's about done. Sojan, didn't you say > you > > > do meta tags? Can > > > >you form some and email them to me? I can put > it > > > on SF as soon as > > > >someone tells me to. :) > > > > > > > >Sheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > > > >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > >Welcome to geek heaven. > > > >http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > > > >Fra...@li... > > > > > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > > > your photos: > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The > > > world's fastest growing > > > real-time communications platform! Don't just > IM. > > > Build it in! > > > http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > > > Fra...@li... > > > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > >http://health.yahoo.com > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The > world's fastest growing > >real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. > Build it in! > >http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim > >_______________________________________________ > >Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > >Fra...@li... > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The > world's fastest growing > real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. > Build it in! > http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim > _______________________________________________ > Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > Fra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com |
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From: Sojan A. <so...@ho...> - 2002-07-26 04:04:45
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Dimitri and Sheryl,
Just so you know, the keywords in the keywod meta are supposed to be
coma delimited, so place a coma between each keyword so the robots will pick
it as actually being keywords.
Now, if you don't want IE to cache the webpages so users are always greeted
with the latest version of the page then add this meta tag:
<meta name="PRAGMA" Content="NO-CACHE">
Also if you want to you can set the expiration of the page to as little as
imediately after load to as much as a year or more. You may also want to
give some thought to cookie use as it would allow you to make the website
respond more personally to repeat visitors as it would place a cookie on
their hard drive that would store things like the name they used to log into
the site etc... So, if you wanted to you could have a pop-up that said
something like:
"Hi, Dimitri, a lot has changed here at FractalKiss since your last visit on
mm/dd/yyyy" oh yeah, to have the robots index the site you can add two
different meta tags:
<meta name="robots" Content="index, follow">
this is the easiest one to use because the robots index and follow the site,
however, somewhere in my archives I have one where you can tell the robots
how often to index the site and I will dig that one up too and email it. If
you use that one there is nothing that says you can't have the site indexed
everyday if you wanted which would also place you higher in the search
engine results by the way...
Section 508 compliance is a horse of another color:
To start with put this doctype tag above the <html> tag:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
This lets the robots and readers know that the page is a "public" page so it
is available to everyone.
This tag sets the "default language of the page:
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
which means the default language is English-US, if you wanted to set it to
UK english the just change it to en-uk instead of en-us.
There are lots of other changes that would need to be made to the code to
make it more accessible to browsers for the disabled and I can go into those
if you would like if if Sheryl would rather I can email her privately since
she wrote the code and explain what changes need to be made to make the code
US Section 508 compliant. Otherwise you can always go to
http://www,cast.org/bobby/ and use their online section 508 compliance
checker, which while not perfect is a good start. Downside is the w3c and
the people at cast have yet to sit down and agree on what needs to be added
to HTML 4 and what doesn't so some of the stuff bobby suggests like the
"longdesc" are not yet supported by any browsers.
Well I should stop now before I get carried away... Sheryl, if you want you
can go check out a site I just did at the University where I go to school
that had to be made Section 508 compliant. Just view the source code and you
should see a lot of different things that will need to be added to fractal
kiss if you want to shoot for section 508 compliance. the url is
"http://www.uwsp.edu/it/labs/"
Laters...
S
>From: Dmitri Pavlenkov <dmi...@ya...>
>Reply-To: fra...@li...
>To: fra...@li...
>Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Buttons
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:53:31 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Definitely, accessibility would be a great addition,
>Sojan, and all other compatibility features. I believe
>there is a keyword meta tag in place on the present
>website http://fractalkiss.sf.net Also, if you can
>come with some more keywords that you think are
>appropriate, that would be very welcome.
>
>Dmitri
>
>--- "Sojan A." <so...@ho...> wrote:
> > Sheryl,
> > Well, the most comman META Tags are of course
> > Description and Keyword
> > but there are others you can use to make the search
> > engines index the site
> > and follow it. I'll put the index/follow meta tags
> > together but I think
> > Dimitri may have to come up with the keywords he
> > wants used and possibly the
> > descriptions since this is his site/dream and he
> > knows it best. I should be
> > able to get online and see the site again tonight...
> > =)
> >
> > Fireworks is like a gif animator/rollover generator.
> > I also hand code though
> > I am just getting started with PHP. I am alos
> > familiar with the rwuitements
> > for US Section 508 compliance that would allow the
> > browsers for the disabled
> > to reead the text of the site to the blind for
> > instance. If this is
> > something Dimitiri is interested in incorporating to
> > the site then we can
> > get it done as most of the changes to the pages to
> > make them readable by the
> > browsers for the disabled would have to be done
> > code-side...
> >
> > More later... bye for now..
> >
> > S
> >
> >
> > >From: "Sheryl Griffiths" <sh...@al...>
> > >Reply-To: fra...@li...
> > >To: <fra...@li...>
> > >Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Buttons
> > >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:40:22 -0400
> > >
> > >You haven't been back to
> > www.alsher.com/sites/fractalkiss/ in a while
> > >have you Sojan? :) Please look at the source
> > code. I design in CSS2
> > >and use div tags. I'm using Photoshop 7.
> > >
> > >I'm assuming Fireworks is like the other WYSIWYG
> > editors. If so, then
> > >the code is horrendous. I hand code.
> > >
> > >I don't think creating a button class will work,
> > unless you create the
> > >blank button, then use text over it. This leads to
> > more problems in my
> > >opinion. You'll have to do an imagemap to allow
> > the entire button to be
> > >linked. If you only have the text clickable, then
> > why have buttons at
> > >all? It's easier just to use buttons and put a
> > little javascript in the
> > >anchor tag. ;) I think it's something like
> > >onmouseover="button.src=buttonon.gif"
> > >onmouseout="button.src=buttonoff.gif" so it's
> > really no trouble.
> > >
> > >I'm using PHP on the include files, as it's easier
> > than trying to write
> > >Javascript includes. As far as making the content
> > dynamic using
> > >databases, the only real application I see here is
> > perhaps the
> > >downloads, or if we want to have a member base.
> > I've got a little
> > >script I was going to put on the downloads page
> > that tracks how many
> > >times people download a specific file - kind of a
> > ranking system.
> > >
> > >We need the rest of the text for the site, as
> > unless Dmitri has anything
> > >to add, it's about done. Sojan, didn't you say you
> > do meta tags? Can
> > >you form some and email them to me? I can put it
> > on SF as soon as
> > >someone tells me to. :)
> > >
> > >Sheryl
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From: Dmitri P. <dmi...@ya...> - 2002-07-26 00:53:32
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Definitely, accessibility would be a great addition, Sojan, and all other compatibility features. I believe there is a keyword meta tag in place on the present website http://fractalkiss.sf.net Also, if you can come with some more keywords that you think are appropriate, that would be very welcome. Dmitri --- "Sojan A." <so...@ho...> wrote: > Sheryl, > Well, the most comman META Tags are of course > Description and Keyword > but there are others you can use to make the search > engines index the site > and follow it. I'll put the index/follow meta tags > together but I think > Dimitri may have to come up with the keywords he > wants used and possibly the > descriptions since this is his site/dream and he > knows it best. I should be > able to get online and see the site again tonight... > =) > > Fireworks is like a gif animator/rollover generator. > I also hand code though > I am just getting started with PHP. I am alos > familiar with the rwuitements > for US Section 508 compliance that would allow the > browsers for the disabled > to reead the text of the site to the blind for > instance. If this is > something Dimitiri is interested in incorporating to > the site then we can > get it done as most of the changes to the pages to > make them readable by the > browsers for the disabled would have to be done > code-side... > > More later... bye for now.. > > S > > > >From: "Sheryl Griffiths" <sh...@al...> > >Reply-To: fra...@li... > >To: <fra...@li...> > >Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Buttons > >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:40:22 -0400 > > > >You haven't been back to > www.alsher.com/sites/fractalkiss/ in a while > >have you Sojan? :) Please look at the source > code. I design in CSS2 > >and use div tags. I'm using Photoshop 7. > > > >I'm assuming Fireworks is like the other WYSIWYG > editors. If so, then > >the code is horrendous. I hand code. > > > >I don't think creating a button class will work, > unless you create the > >blank button, then use text over it. This leads to > more problems in my > >opinion. You'll have to do an imagemap to allow > the entire button to be > >linked. If you only have the text clickable, then > why have buttons at > >all? It's easier just to use buttons and put a > little javascript in the > >anchor tag. ;) I think it's something like > >onmouseover="button.src=buttonon.gif" > >onmouseout="button.src=buttonoff.gif" so it's > really no trouble. > > > >I'm using PHP on the include files, as it's easier > than trying to write > >Javascript includes. As far as making the content > dynamic using > >databases, the only real application I see here is > perhaps the > >downloads, or if we want to have a member base. > I've got a little > >script I was going to put on the downloads page > that tracks how many > >times people download a specific file - kind of a > ranking system. > > > >We need the rest of the text for the site, as > unless Dmitri has anything > >to add, it's about done. Sojan, didn't you say you > do meta tags? Can > >you form some and email them to me? I can put it > on SF as soon as > >someone tells me to. :) > > > >Sheryl > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > >Welcome to geek heaven. > >http://thinkgeek.com/sf > >_______________________________________________ > >Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > >Fra...@li... > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber - The > world's fastest growing > real-time communications platform! Don't just IM. > Build it in! > http://www.jabber.com/osdn/xim > _______________________________________________ > Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > Fra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com |
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From: Sojan A. <so...@ho...> - 2002-07-26 00:09:26
|
Sheryl,
Well, the most comman META Tags are of course Description and Keyword
but there are others you can use to make the search engines index the site
and follow it. I'll put the index/follow meta tags together but I think
Dimitri may have to come up with the keywords he wants used and possibly the
descriptions since this is his site/dream and he knows it best. I should be
able to get online and see the site again tonight... =)
Fireworks is like a gif animator/rollover generator. I also hand code though
I am just getting started with PHP. I am alos familiar with the rwuitements
for US Section 508 compliance that would allow the browsers for the disabled
to reead the text of the site to the blind for instance. If this is
something Dimitiri is interested in incorporating to the site then we can
get it done as most of the changes to the pages to make them readable by the
browsers for the disabled would have to be done code-side...
More later... bye for now..
S
>From: "Sheryl Griffiths" <sh...@al...>
>Reply-To: fra...@li...
>To: <fra...@li...>
>Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Buttons
>Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:40:22 -0400
>
>You haven't been back to www.alsher.com/sites/fractalkiss/ in a while
>have you Sojan? :) Please look at the source code. I design in CSS2
>and use div tags. I'm using Photoshop 7.
>
>I'm assuming Fireworks is like the other WYSIWYG editors. If so, then
>the code is horrendous. I hand code.
>
>I don't think creating a button class will work, unless you create the
>blank button, then use text over it. This leads to more problems in my
>opinion. You'll have to do an imagemap to allow the entire button to be
>linked. If you only have the text clickable, then why have buttons at
>all? It's easier just to use buttons and put a little javascript in the
>anchor tag. ;) I think it's something like
>onmouseover="button.src=buttonon.gif"
>onmouseout="button.src=buttonoff.gif" so it's really no trouble.
>
>I'm using PHP on the include files, as it's easier than trying to write
>Javascript includes. As far as making the content dynamic using
>databases, the only real application I see here is perhaps the
>downloads, or if we want to have a member base. I've got a little
>script I was going to put on the downloads page that tracks how many
>times people download a specific file - kind of a ranking system.
>
>We need the rest of the text for the site, as unless Dmitri has anything
>to add, it's about done. Sojan, didn't you say you do meta tags? Can
>you form some and email them to me? I can put it on SF as soon as
>someone tells me to. :)
>
>Sheryl
>
>
>
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From: Sojan A. <so...@ho...> - 2002-07-26 00:03:13
|
Sheryl,
Well, the most comman META Tags are of course Description and Keyword
but there are others you can use to make the search engines index the site
and follow it. I'll put
>From: "Sheryl Griffiths" <sh...@al...>
>Reply-To: fra...@li...
>To: <fra...@li...>
>Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Buttons
>Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:40:22 -0400
>
>You haven't been back to www.alsher.com/sites/fractalkiss/ in a while
>have you Sojan? :) Please look at the source code. I design in CSS2
>and use div tags. I'm using Photoshop 7.
>
>I'm assuming Fireworks is like the other WYSIWYG editors. If so, then
>the code is horrendous. I hand code.
>
>I don't think creating a button class will work, unless you create the
>blank button, then use text over it. This leads to more problems in my
>opinion. You'll have to do an imagemap to allow the entire button to be
>linked. If you only have the text clickable, then why have buttons at
>all? It's easier just to use buttons and put a little javascript in the
>anchor tag. ;) I think it's something like
>onmouseover="button.src=buttonon.gif"
>onmouseout="button.src=buttonoff.gif" so it's really no trouble.
>
>I'm using PHP on the include files, as it's easier than trying to write
>Javascript includes. As far as making the content dynamic using
>databases, the only real application I see here is perhaps the
>downloads, or if we want to have a member base. I've got a little
>script I was going to put on the downloads page that tracks how many
>times people download a specific file - kind of a ranking system.
>
>We need the rest of the text for the site, as unless Dmitri has anything
>to add, it's about done. Sojan, didn't you say you do meta tags? Can
>you form some and email them to me? I can put it on SF as soon as
>someone tells me to. :)
>
>Sheryl
>
>
>
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From: Sheryl G. <sh...@al...> - 2002-07-23 14:44:15
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Ahhh.. *Now* I get it. :) I'll see what I can do. :) Sheryl > -----Original Message----- > From: fra...@li... > [mailto:fra...@li...] On > Behalf Of Dmitri Pavlenkov > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 8:10 AM > To: fra...@li... > Subject: Re: [Fractalkiss-devel] Final word on buttons > > > Any graphical rollover button is generated this way: > you have a base image and a rollover image, and then > maybe even a click image, right? > My vision is simple and stupid: have evey nav button > use same base image. On top of that base you put your > navigation text, like "home", "project" or anything, and > somehow you create rollover behavior, by changing text color. > You understand? That way if later I need to change the look > of ALL buttons, I simply replace the base image with the new > one. Or if I want to create a new button, I simply edit the > html, without photoshop or anything that requires high brain > power. If you were just a single designer and if you were not > limited in the volume of graphics files and didn't mind spend > a lot of time on this site, then maybe we could stop right > here. Sf.net has a limit on media allowed on the web site, > and all media has to be uploaded by hand in a separate > location. So all your graphical creations will cause a huge > overhead if every button has unique base and rollover images. > If you can make it so that new buttons can be created just by > editing the html file, you'll have done a great job of making > the site maintainable. There is no reason to "kill" your > buttons, Sheryl. I suggest this: have basebutton.gif and > experiment with server-side graphics software (imagemagic, netpbm, php > graphics) to dynamically generate buttons. I promise > you a lot of useful fun. Hey, have basebutton.gif and > rollbutton.gif for changing background along with text color. > And then, one day, we'll be able to type: <A > href="http://sf.net/projects/fractalkiss"><IMG > src="basebutton.php?text=Home" > onMouseOver="this.src='rollbutton.php?text=Home'"></A> > This is how it will be maintainable. Don't mind the > errors in my example. > > See my vision? :) > > --- Sheryl Griffiths <po...@pl...> wrote: > > Navigation on a site usually isn't changed very > > much. It's generated dynamically from an include, > > but the nav itself doesn't really get altered, as > > this confuses return viewers. > > > > I guess I'm really not understanding what you mean > > by "easy maintenance" - this is about as easy as I > > think nav can be without going non-graphical. Even > > with a non-graphic menu you have to hardcode > > somewhere to tell it what the link is and where it > > points to. The image files are all of 5k - less > > than a second to view on even a dialup. As far as > > creating new buttons, the blank button is on the > > server, and the font can be downloaded easily, so > > *any* graphics software can create them with about 2 > > clicks of a mouse. The links are in an include, > > copy and paste the line and change 4 words. > > Honestly I don't think you can get more simplified, > > unless you just took out the rollovers, making > > static links. Then you'd create one gif instead of > > two (the only difference being a color change on the > > font), and remove the two actions in the link tag. > > > > If you write a loop in PHP to generate the links, > > whoever is working on it will have to know how to > > code PHP, because the array has to be populated from somewhere, and > > that's usually done in the code itself, or in an admin area. I > > suppose you could do it with a database, but that's kind of like > > ordering an entire menu's worth of food because you want a > > glass of water. Heh heh.. Then you also have to > > know how to use a database. ;) > > > > If I'm just not seeing your vision, please let me > > know what it is and what I'm missing. What is on > > there right now is both easily managed and quick to > > view. > > > > If you're absolutely set on not having more than one > > image, I can kill the buttons and just have text > > links. I'll get some kind of image to put under > > them, so you know they're nav, but they won't be in > > button form. This will still require a copy and > > paste of html anchors in an include, changing 2 > > words of the text. > > > > Sojan? What do you think? > > > > :) > > > > Sheryl > > > > --- Dmitri Pavlenkov <dmi...@ya...> > > wrote: > > >What I see now is every button has a separate base > > and > > >rollover images, this will not do. The only thing > > will > > >do is having button captions done in text and have > > >their color change via css, or not change at all. > > and > > >have button image set as background or layer or > > >however you can imagine it. Or, have the buttons > > >dynamically generated in php by using imagemagic or > > >netpbm, or even native php graphical functions. > > I've > > >been saying this from the start: buttons need to be > maintainable, and > > >having static buttons as they are now kills maintenance, > so now that > > >our site is beautiful, let's make it maintainable. > > > > > >Dmitri > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! 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From: Dmitri P. <dmi...@ya...> - 2002-07-23 12:10:03
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Any graphical rollover button is generated this way: you have a base image and a rollover image, and then maybe even a click image, right? My vision is simple and stupid: have evey nav button use same base image. On top of that base you put your navigation text, like "home", "project" or anything, and somehow you create rollover behavior, by changing text color. You understand? That way if later I need to change the look of ALL buttons, I simply replace the base image with the new one. Or if I want to create a new button, I simply edit the html, without photoshop or anything that requires high brain power. If you were just a single designer and if you were not limited in the volume of graphics files and didn't mind spend a lot of time on this site, then maybe we could stop right here. Sf.net has a limit on media allowed on the web site, and all media has to be uploaded by hand in a separate location. So all your graphical creations will cause a huge overhead if every button has unique base and rollover images. If you can make it so that new buttons can be created just by editing the html file, you'll have done a great job of making the site maintainable. There is no reason to "kill" your buttons, Sheryl. I suggest this: have basebutton.gif and experiment with server-side graphics software (imagemagic, netpbm, php graphics) to dynamically generate buttons. I promise you a lot of useful fun. Hey, have basebutton.gif and rollbutton.gif for changing background along with text color. And then, one day, we'll be able to type: <A href="http://sf.net/projects/fractalkiss"><IMG src="basebutton.php?text=Home" onMouseOver="this.src='rollbutton.php?text=Home'"></A> This is how it will be maintainable. Don't mind the errors in my example. See my vision? :) --- Sheryl Griffiths <po...@pl...> wrote: > Navigation on a site usually isn't changed very > much. It's generated dynamically from an include, > but the nav itself doesn't really get altered, as > this confuses return viewers. > > I guess I'm really not understanding what you mean > by "easy maintenance" - this is about as easy as I > think nav can be without going non-graphical. Even > with a non-graphic menu you have to hardcode > somewhere to tell it what the link is and where it > points to. The image files are all of 5k - less > than a second to view on even a dialup. As far as > creating new buttons, the blank button is on the > server, and the font can be downloaded easily, so > *any* graphics software can create them with about 2 > clicks of a mouse. The links are in an include, > copy and paste the line and change 4 words. > Honestly I don't think you can get more simplified, > unless you just took out the rollovers, making > static links. Then you'd create one gif instead of > two (the only difference being a color change on the > font), and remove the two actions in the link tag. > > If you write a loop in PHP to generate the links, > whoever is working on it will have to know how to > code PHP, because the array has to be populated from > somewhere, and that's usually done in the code > itself, or in an admin area. I suppose you could do > it with a database, but that's kind of like ordering > an entire menu's worth of food because you want a > glass of water. Heh heh.. Then you also have to > know how to use a database. ;) > > If I'm just not seeing your vision, please let me > know what it is and what I'm missing. What is on > there right now is both easily managed and quick to > view. > > If you're absolutely set on not having more than one > image, I can kill the buttons and just have text > links. I'll get some kind of image to put under > them, so you know they're nav, but they won't be in > button form. This will still require a copy and > paste of html anchors in an include, changing 2 > words of the text. > > Sojan? What do you think? > > :) > > Sheryl > > --- Dmitri Pavlenkov <dmi...@ya...> > wrote: > >What I see now is every button has a separate base > and > >rollover images, this will not do. The only thing > will > >do is having button captions done in text and have > >their color change via css, or not change at all. > and > >have button image set as background or layer or > >however you can imagine it. Or, have the buttons > >dynamically generated in php by using imagemagic or > >netpbm, or even native php graphical functions. > I've > >been saying this from the start: buttons need to be > >maintainable, and having static buttons as they are > >now kills maintenance, so now that our site is > >beautiful, let's make it maintainable. > > > >Dmitri > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > >http://health.yahoo.com > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > >Welcome to geek heaven. > >http://thinkgeek.com/sf > >_______________________________________________ > >Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > >Fra...@li... > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > > _____________________________________________________________ > Orange Guard! If you have a bug problem that needs > serious help Orange Guard may be what you're looking > for! It's super effective, yet can be used around > food, humans and pets. Orange Guard kills insects on > contact and is a residual repellent. You can use > this product without damaging the environment or > your family's health. 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From: Sheryl G. <po...@pl...> - 2002-07-22 23:49:11
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Navigation on a site usually isn't changed very much. It's generated dynamically from an include, but the nav itself doesn't really get altered, as this confuses return viewers. I guess I'm really not understanding what you mean by "easy maintenance" - this is about as easy as I think nav can be without going non-graphical. Even with a non-graphic menu you have to hardcode somewhere to tell it what the link is and where it points to. The image files are all of 5k - less than a second to view on even a dialup. As far as creating new buttons, the blank button is on the server, and the font can be downloaded easily, so *any* graphics software can create them with about 2 clicks of a mouse. The links are in an include, copy and paste the line and change 4 words. Honestly I don't think you can get more simplified, unless you just took out the rollovers, making static links. Then you'd create one gif instead of two (the only difference being a color change on the font), and remove the two actions in the link tag. If you write a loop in PHP to generate the links, whoever is working on it will have to know how to code PHP, because the array has to be populated from somewhere, and that's usually done in the code itself, or in an admin area. I suppose you could do it with a database, but that's kind of like ordering an entire menu's worth of food because you want a glass of water. Heh heh.. Then you also have to know how to use a database. ;) If I'm just not seeing your vision, please let me know what it is and what I'm missing. What is on there right now is both easily managed and quick to view. If you're absolutely set on not having more than one image, I can kill the buttons and just have text links. I'll get some kind of image to put under them, so you know they're nav, but they won't be in button form. This will still require a copy and paste of html anchors in an include, changing 2 words of the text. Sojan? What do you think? :) Sheryl --- Dmitri Pavlenkov <dmi...@ya...> wrote: >What I see now is every button has a separate base and >rollover images, this will not do. The only thing will >do is having button captions done in text and have >their color change via css, or not change at all. and >have button image set as background or layer or >however you can imagine it. Or, have the buttons >dynamically generated in php by using imagemagic or >netpbm, or even native php graphical functions. I've >been saying this from the start: buttons need to be >maintainable, and having static buttons as they are >now kills maintenance, so now that our site is >beautiful, let's make it maintainable. > >Dmitri > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >Welcome to geek heaven. >http://thinkgeek.com/sf >_______________________________________________ >Fractalkiss-devel mailing list >Fra...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel _____________________________________________________________ Orange Guard! If you have a bug problem that needs serious help Orange Guard may be what you're looking for! It's super effective, yet can be used around food, humans and pets. Orange Guard kills insects on contact and is a residual repellent. You can use this product without damaging the environment or your family's health. For more info visit http://www.OrangeGuard.com |
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From: Dmitri P. <dmi...@ya...> - 2002-07-22 23:06:08
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What I see now is every button has a separate base and rollover images, this will not do. The only thing will do is having button captions done in text and have their color change via css, or not change at all. and have button image set as background or layer or however you can imagine it. Or, have the buttons dynamically generated in php by using imagemagic or netpbm, or even native php graphical functions. I've been saying this from the start: buttons need to be maintainable, and having static buttons as they are now kills maintenance, so now that our site is beautiful, let's make it maintainable. Dmitri __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com |
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From: Sheryl G. <sh...@al...> - 2002-07-22 16:41:38
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You haven't been back to www.alsher.com/sites/fractalkiss/ in a while have you Sojan? :) Please look at the source code. I design in CSS2 and use div tags. I'm using Photoshop 7. I'm assuming Fireworks is like the other WYSIWYG editors. If so, then the code is horrendous. I hand code. I don't think creating a button class will work, unless you create the blank button, then use text over it. This leads to more problems in my opinion. You'll have to do an imagemap to allow the entire button to be linked. If you only have the text clickable, then why have buttons at all? It's easier just to use buttons and put a little javascript in the anchor tag. ;) I think it's something like onmouseover="button.src=buttonon.gif" onmouseout="button.src=buttonoff.gif" so it's really no trouble. I'm using PHP on the include files, as it's easier than trying to write Javascript includes. As far as making the content dynamic using databases, the only real application I see here is perhaps the downloads, or if we want to have a member base. I've got a little script I was going to put on the downloads page that tracks how many times people download a specific file - kind of a ranking system. We need the rest of the text for the site, as unless Dmitri has anything to add, it's about done. Sojan, didn't you say you do meta tags? Can you form some and email them to me? I can put it on SF as soon as someone tells me to. :) Sheryl |
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From: Sojan A. <so...@ho...> - 2002-07-22 12:58:39
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Dimitri, psd is a Photoshop Document file. It is the native file type for Photoshop images, meaning the buttons were created of course in Photoshop... Sheryl, what version of Photoshop are you using? 5.5, 6, or 7? >From: Dmitri Pavlenkov <dmi...@ya...> >Reply-To: fra...@li... >To: fra...@li... >Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Buttons >Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:57:36 -0700 (PDT) > >I'm not sure what psd means >what do you use to create buttons? > >Dmitri > >--- Sheryl Griffiths <sh...@al...> wrote: > > I'd rather keep the buttons separate from the > > background - on different > > res's or different browser window sizes it has a > > good chance of coming > > out messed up. Not to mention the fact that the > > whole idea of using > > CSS, which is already in place, is *not* to use > > tables for design. The > > button psd file is on the server, layers intact, so > > all we have to do to > > edit it is change the text layer on the image. > > > > The rollover I just copied from the version you > > emailed me. I can > > shorten it down and put it in an include, no > > problem. I'll do that when > > I add the other pages to the site tonight and > > tomorrow. > > > > :) > > > > Sheryl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: > > fra...@li... > > > > > >[mailto:fra...@li...] > > On > > > Behalf Of Dmitri Pavlenkov > > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 3:05 PM > > > To: fra...@li... > > > Subject: [Fractalkiss-devel] Buttons > > > > > > > > > Buttons are really nice, however I have a tip > > here. > > > Put the button graphics down as a background, and > > put > > > words (home, project etc) as text in the table > > cell. > > > That way we can easily maintain and extend > > buttons. > > > Change the text-color in DHTML. > > > > > > Dmitri > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > > http://health.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > > Fra...@li... > > > > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Fractalkiss-devel mailing list > > Fra...@li... > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >Welcome to geek heaven. >http://thinkgeek.com/sf >_______________________________________________ >Fractalkiss-devel mailing list >Fra...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com |
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From: Sojan A. <so...@ho...> - 2002-07-22 12:56:34
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Couldn't you just control the text color for the buttons directly in the
CSS? Sort of like this:
The button is linked to a certain page or image so whatever link or text
assigned to it could be controlled just by declaring a class in CSS call
'btn' or 'button' or 'nav.' Then the CSS statements to control the link
colors and other text elements would be similar to this:
A.btn:Link { color: #FFFFFF }
A.btn:Hover { color: #FFFF00 }
A.btn:Visited { color: #00FF00 }
Then in the <a href that links the buttons all you do to make that link a
part of a specified class is insert the attribute ' class="btn" ' which
would also allow you to control other hyperlinks similarly because you just
declare a new class and assign the links/buttons/images to that class...
>From: Dmitri Pavlenkov <dmi...@ya...>
>Reply-To: fra...@li...
>To: fra...@li...
>Subject: [Fractalkiss-devel] Buttons
>Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:05:11 -0700 (PDT)
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>Buttons are really nice, however I have a tip here.
>Put the button graphics down as a background, and put
>words (home, project etc) as text in the table cell.
>That way we can easily maintain and extend buttons.
>Change the text-color in DHTML.
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>Dmitri
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From: Sojan A. <so...@ho...> - 2002-07-22 12:48:12
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Have you thought about using multiple div statements to control page layout a bit more with relation to positioning on the pages? The div statements should allow you to control the absolute positioning of certain elements on a page no matter how big the browser window is. Also, I was unaware a CSS was in place already, but since there is then that's just one less thing to worry about... =) I agree with Sheryl in that we need to keep the buttons separate from the background. Since I couldn't get the buttons to work when I last looked are they 2 way or 3 way rollovers? It should be easy enough to store the code for them in an external .js file. Haven't had any experience with Fireworks at all so i wouldn't know how it codes things, but I'll take your word that it is messy. What development environment are you building the pages in? Visual Interdev, Frontpage, Dreamweaver, Notepad??? Also, have you given any thought to US Section 508 compliance so that the site is readable by browsers/readers for the handicapped or is that not a concern right now? I am just now starting to work with PHP and think that it might be useful for dynamically updating the content on the site. More on that as I learn more about PHP and how it interacts with databases. >From: "Sheryl Griffiths" <sh...@al...> >Reply-To: fra...@li... >To: <fra...@li...> >Subject: RE: [Fractalkiss-devel] Buttons >Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:43:46 -0400 > >I'd rather keep the buttons separate from the background - on different >res's or different browser window sizes it has a good chance of coming >out messed up. Not to mention the fact that the whole idea of using >CSS, which is already in place, is *not* to use tables for design. The >button psd file is on the server, layers intact, so all we have to do to >edit it is change the text layer on the image. > >The rollover I just copied from the version you emailed me. I can >shorten it down and put it in an include, no problem. I'll do that when >I add the other pages to the site tonight and tomorrow. > >:) > >Sheryl > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fra...@li... > > [mailto:fra...@li...] On > > Behalf Of Dmitri Pavlenkov > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 3:05 PM > > To: fra...@li... > > Subject: [Fractalkiss-devel] Buttons > > > > > > Buttons are really nice, however I have a tip here. > > Put the button graphics down as a background, and put > > words (home, project etc) as text in the table cell. > > That way we can easily maintain and extend buttons. > > Change the text-color in DHTML. > > > > Dmitri > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Fractalkiss-devel mailing list Fra...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek >Welcome to geek heaven. >http://thinkgeek.com/sf >_______________________________________________ >Fractalkiss-devel mailing list >Fra...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fractalkiss-devel _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com |
