Re: [Fofredux-devel] task list?

[Kevin <ke...@dr...>]

> 1 other idea to toss around would be to support the various rss metadat=
a,
> such as slashcode.  this is also down the road of tagging, since most
> authors already include such general tags.

This is doable.  I've already got the code done to extract the most commo=
n
forms of item tags I've seen. (<content>, <dc:subject>, and one offs like
flickr and del.icio.us)

-Kevin


> On 4/26/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote:
>>
>> This was discussed on the dev list before - and I definitely
>> understand and share some of your concerns.
>>
>> The goal is to make FoFRedux look nice, and be a little simpler/faster
>> to use. I agree that the *current* users of FoFRedux obviously look
>> past the current UI and still use it. The difference is how many other
>> people would use it if it looked a little better. I've seen blog posts
>> and received numerous comments from other geeks "it better do
>> something really special to make me want to look at *that*".
>>
>> Anyways, the actual graphics are going to be there. Now for JS/Ajax,
>> yes, fallback is definitely good. The first-things I was going to put
>> in were:
>> 1) Tagging items
>> 2) Mark items read/unread
>>
>> Which as you point out should be fairly straight forward, and easy to
>> add fallbacks that call normal href's.
>>
>> Another nice thing would be dynamic refresh. I frequently come to
>> FoFRedux and want to update all - and don't want to sit there and
>> wait. So to be able to have the update as an asyncronous request would
>> be great.
>>
>> Anyways, the first things are very easy to add, and we can try them
>> out to vote yay or nay on them and what other async (ajax) interfaces
>> we would want to add.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On 4/26/06, Evan Roth <eva...@gm...> wrote:
>> > i'm still not sure to what extent i want to see ajax in there.  in
>> many
>> > cases, apps include ajax simply because it's the in thing to do, and
>> it's
>> > just to much.
>> >
>> > in most cases, you can start with a decent markup, whether you do yo=
ur
>> css
>> > or html first...and then add ajax to the various event handlers wher=
e
>> > needed.  if we decide to go down the ajax road, then i think the use=
r
>> should
>> > definitely be able to specify, via the options, what features to
>> enable,
>> so
>> > that he can keep his interface as light as possible.  (matter of fac=
t,
>> our
>> > firewall at work - VW Konzern - blocks most javascript, which means
>> you
>> > can't even i can't even use gmail from the office...and this is the
>> standard
>> > for most large corps, as they purchase various firewall suites and
>> simply
>> > install)
>> >
>> > i think the only place i can imagine wanting ajax (but i haven't
>> pondered it
>> > too much) is for marking items and refreshing the view.  but that's
>> all
>> > super simple stuff that could be done in an afternoon.  various GUI
>> effects
>> > (click&drag stuff) are simply not needed, and would possible stop so=
me
>> > people from updating.  at least in my opinion.
>> >
>> > i'd imagine more people would want better ways to read and manage
>> their
>> feed
>> > subscriptions...whereas some kind of global tagging (ie social
>> networking)
>> > seems like a better way down that route.  perhaps there's a way for =
us
>> to
>> > recommend other feeds, ala www.last.fm.  or provide some sort of fee=
d
>> > search, based on tags or whatever.  perhaps integrating some of the
>> > technorati api...or something similar.
>> >
>> > look at it this way...those people still using fof or fof-redux are
>> probably
>> > not doing it for it's user interface.  (and if they are, then we
>> probably
>> > lose them by adding too much anyway).  i'd bet they are using it for
>> it's
>> > features that fit their needs...as it runs on their machine, but is
>> > accessible from anywhere.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/26/06, Andrew Turner < ajt...@hi...> wrote:
>> > > My plan for Khaled was for him to just produce a clean,
>> from-scratch,
>> > > mock-up of his designs. I'm not sure if he did the current work in
>> > > CSS/HTML or Photoshop.
>> > >
>> > > I think making the "from-scratch" CSS and then filling in the actu=
al
>> > > PHP logic will produce cleaner source rather than the alternative.=
 I
>> > > am planning on putting in the actual PHP logic into the HTML sourc=
e
>> > > and adding Ajax along the way. This is the best method I've found
>> for
>> > > my sites. If you do the reverse you end up killing yourself trying
>> to
>> > > fiddle w/ the css AND code rather than just the reverse.
>> > >
>> > > I think the current HTML source is dead, long-live the HTML source=
.
>> :)
>> > > If someone thinks this isn't the right way to go, please speak up.
>> > >
>> > > Andrew
>> > >
>> > > On 4/26/06, Evan Roth <eva...@gm...> wrote:
>> > > > yeah, the multi-user stuff is pretty straight-forward.  i've got
>> it
>> all
>> > in
>> > > > my head and on paper here.  i just would have waited for the
>> weekend,
>> > since
>> > > > i didnt want to start a lengthy task when i only have small chun=
ks
>> of
>> > time.
>> > > >
>> > > > 1 thing i also noticed that needs to be done, which could perhap=
s
>> help
>> > > > khaled, is to fix up the html.  it's quite sloppy, with quite a
>> bit
>> of
>> > > > tables and so on still remaining.  it could make his job a bit
>> easier,
>> > if we
>> > > > were to take care of it for him...and he wouldn't need to mess
>> with
>> the
>> > code
>> > > > at all, but rather develop a nice css based on our markup.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 4/26/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote:
>> > > > > I think Multi-user support of individual data is the highest
>> priority
>> > > > > at this point (and the redesign, which is holding on Khaled :)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We need individual user feeds, item read/unread state, tags,
>> > > > > categories, settings. And some means to also "share" this
>> information
>> > > > > if desired across users (like see what tags, feeds, categories=
,
>> other
>> > > > > members of the same install are using?)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Andrew
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 4/26/06, Evan Roth < eva...@gm... > wrote:
>> > > > > > personally, i'm kind of skeptical of the first idea, since i=
t
>> seems
>> > like
>> > > > > > overkill.  do people actually use a desktop reader, when the=
y
>> have a
>> > > > browser
>> > > > > > reader that functions similarly?  i used to use Owl...over a
>> year
>> > > > > > ago...before i went with fof.  i dropped it since it wasn't
>> > portable.
>> > > > (who
>> > > > > > knows if they've made major updates since, which make it
>> better)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > the 2nd idea is decent...but for any social software to be
>> > successful,
>> > > > you
>> > > > > > need a huge amount of users.   and to get started on that, w=
e
>> should
>> > > > really
>> > > > > > finish multi-user here.  so i guess i just chug along with
>> that.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On 4/26/06, Andrew Turner < ajt...@hi... >
>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > There is the bug/feature list over at the SF Project site =
-
>> just
>> > > > > > > request to me and i'll assign you tasks. Helps keep the fl=
ow
>> > through
>> > > > > > > one person to coordinate tasks.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > There is also the "feature list" on the roadmap, most of
>> which
>> is
>> > > > > > > listed in the feature list.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Two big features we've tossed around, but not made progres=
s
>> on:
>> > > > > > > 1) Syncronizing FoFRedux w/ a desktop reader (Vienna
>> (open-source
>> > > > > > > mac), OwlReader (open-source windows?), NetNewsWire (has
>> sync
>> to
>> > > > > > > newsgator)). Basically this would be adding a web-services
>> API,
>> > > > > > > preferably being something simple like REST (w/ Auth) for
>> getting
>> > > > > > > statuses of feeds/items, setting the status, etc.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > 2) Sharing of tags and feeds with multiple installs of
>> FoFRedux &
>> > > > > > > other software. For example, we can form "pools" of shared
>> > information
>> > > > > > > where tags and feeds are shared in a group. So when I read
>> my
>> > items, I
>> > > > > > > can see that other people have tagged a given item with
>> "tech,
>> > > > > > > politics, freedomofspeed" and then I can click on that tag
>> and
>> see
>> > > > > > > other FoF-readers tags that used that. I think there were
>> some
>> > other
>> > > > > > > cool ideas along this line brought up on the mailiing list
>> in
>> the
>> > past
>> > > > > > > that may be worth searching for.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Anyways, any of those sources are good todos that haven't
>> been
>> > picked
>> > > > > > > up yet. Just drop your intent via the mailing list or to m=
e
>> and
>> > you'll
>> > > > > > > get assigned. :)
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Andrew
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On 4/26/06, Evan Roth < eva...@gm...> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > hey guys,
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > now that i've got the login up and working, i was going =
to
>> move
>> > on
>> > > > to
>> > > > > > > > something else.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > do we have a task list or something?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > otherwise i would add the options to enable/disable
>> gzipping
>> the
>> > > > feed
>> > > > > > html
>> > > > > > > > and select sort order (cache or publish time).
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > any other major requests or needs?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > /evan
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > Andrew Turner
>> > > > > > > ajt...@hi...         42.4266N x 83.4931W
>> > > > > > > http://highearthorbit.com               Northville,
>> Michigan,
>> USA
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Andrew Turner
>> > > > > ajt...@hi...         42.4266N x 83.4931W
>> > > > > http://highearthorbit.com              Northville, Michigan, U=
SA
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Andrew Turner
>> > > ajt...@hi...        42.4266N x 83.4931W
>> > > http://highearthorbit.com              Northville, Michigan, USA
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Turner
>> ajt...@hi...        42.4266N x 83.4931W
>> http://highearthorbit.com              Northville, Michigan, USA
>>
>


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Kevin