Re: [Fofredux-devel] task list?

[Broken K. <kha...@gm...>]

Far too fast for the likes of me. I did all the mock ups in photoshop. 
Making something from the ground up works much better for me to be 
honest, however I would like someone to start the ball rolling if that's 
not too much to ask. Evan if you could set up the structure in terms of 
divs and frames then I can jump in an make one clean sweep of the css. 
It's just the building blocks that I need to be honest. You guys work 
far too fast for me (coding is something that takes me a long time), so 
if I can concentrate on bringing the css together that would definitely 
speed up the process from my end.

Evan Roth wrote:
> 1 other idea to toss around would be to support the various rss 
> metadata, such as slashcode.  this is also down the road of tagging, 
> since most authors already include such general tags.
>
>
> On 4/26/06, *Andrew Turner* <ajt...@hi... 
> <mailto:ajt...@hi...>> wrote:
>
>     This was discussed on the dev list before - and I definitely
>     understand and share some of your concerns.
>
>     The goal is to make FoFRedux look nice, and be a little simpler/faster
>     to use. I agree that the *current* users of FoFRedux obviously look
>     past the current UI and still use it. The difference is how many other
>     people would use it if it looked a little better. I've seen blog posts
>     and received numerous comments from other geeks "it better do
>     something really special to make me want to look at *that*".
>
>     Anyways, the actual graphics are going to be there. Now for JS/Ajax,
>     yes, fallback is definitely good. The first-things I was going to put
>     in were:
>     1) Tagging items
>     2) Mark items read/unread
>
>     Which as you point out should be fairly straight forward, and easy to
>     add fallbacks that call normal href's.
>
>     Another nice thing would be dynamic refresh. I frequently come to
>     FoFRedux and want to update all - and don't want to sit there and
>     wait. So to be able to have the update as an asyncronous request would
>     be great.
>
>     Anyways, the first things are very easy to add, and we can try them
>     out to vote yay or nay on them and what other async (ajax) interfaces
>     we would want to add.
>
>     Andrew
>
>     On 4/26/06, Evan Roth <eva...@gm...
>     <mailto:eva...@gm...>> wrote:
>     > i'm still not sure to what extent i want to see ajax in
>     there.  in many
>     > cases, apps include ajax simply because it's the in thing to do,
>     and it's
>     > just to much.
>     >
>     > in most cases, you can start with a decent markup, whether you
>     do your css
>     > or html first...and then add ajax to the various event handlers
>     where
>     > needed.  if we decide to go down the ajax road, then i think the
>     user should
>     > definitely be able to specify, via the options, what features to
>     enable, so
>     > that he can keep his interface as light as possible.  (matter of
>     fact, our
>     > firewall at work - VW Konzern - blocks most javascript, which
>     means you
>     > can't even i can't even use gmail from the office...and this is
>     the standard
>     > for most large corps, as they purchase various firewall suites
>     and simply
>     > install)
>     >
>     > i think the only place i can imagine wanting ajax (but i haven't
>     pondered it
>     > too much) is for marking items and refreshing the view.  but
>     that's all
>     > super simple stuff that could be done in an afternoon.  various
>     GUI effects
>     > (click&drag stuff) are simply not needed, and would possible
>     stop some
>     > people from updating.  at least in my opinion.
>     >
>     > i'd imagine more people would want better ways to read and
>     manage their feed
>     > subscriptions...whereas some kind of global tagging (ie social
>     networking)
>     > seems like a better way down that route.  perhaps there's a way
>     for us to
>     > recommend other feeds, ala www.last.fm <http://www.last.fm>.  or
>     provide some sort of feed
>     > search, based on tags or whatever.  perhaps integrating some of the
>     > technorati api...or something similar.
>     >
>     > look at it this way...those people still using fof or fof-redux
>     are probably
>     > not doing it for it's user interface.  (and if they are, then we
>     probably
>     > lose them by adding too much anyway).  i'd bet they are using it
>     for it's
>     > features that fit their needs...as it runs on their machine, but is
>     > accessible from anywhere.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > On 4/26/06, Andrew Turner < ajt...@hi...
>     <mailto:ajt...@hi...>> wrote:
>     > > My plan for Khaled was for him to just produce a clean,
>     from-scratch,
>     > > mock-up of his designs. I'm not sure if he did the current work in
>     > > CSS/HTML or Photoshop.
>     > >
>     > > I think making the "from-scratch" CSS and then filling in the
>     actual
>     > > PHP logic will produce cleaner source rather than the
>     alternative. I
>     > > am planning on putting in the actual PHP logic into the HTML
>     source
>     > > and adding Ajax along the way. This is the best method I've
>     found for
>     > > my sites. If you do the reverse you end up killing yourself
>     trying to
>     > > fiddle w/ the css AND code rather than just the reverse.
>     > >
>     > > I think the current HTML source is dead, long-live the HTML
>     source. :)
>     > > If someone thinks this isn't the right way to go, please speak up.
>     > >
>     > > Andrew
>     > >
>     > > On 4/26/06, Evan Roth <eva...@gm...
>     <mailto:eva...@gm...>> wrote:
>     > > > yeah, the multi-user stuff is pretty straight-forward.  i've
>     got it all
>     > in
>     > > > my head and on paper here.  i just would have waited for the
>     weekend,
>     > since
>     > > > i didnt want to start a lengthy task when i only have small
>     chunks of
>     > time.
>     > > >
>     > > > 1 thing i also noticed that needs to be done, which could
>     perhaps help
>     > > > khaled, is to fix up the html.  it's quite sloppy, with
>     quite a bit of
>     > > > tables and so on still remaining.  it could make his job a
>     bit easier,
>     > if we
>     > > > were to take care of it for him...and he wouldn't need to
>     mess with the
>     > code
>     > > > at all, but rather develop a nice css based on our markup.
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > > On 4/26/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...
>     <mailto:ajt...@hi...>> wrote:
>     > > > > I think Multi-user support of individual data is the
>     highest priority
>     > > > > at this point (and the redesign, which is holding on Khaled :)
>     > > > >
>     > > > > We need individual user feeds, item read/unread state, tags,
>     > > > > categories, settings. And some means to also "share" this
>     information
>     > > > > if desired across users (like see what tags, feeds,
>     categories, other
>     > > > > members of the same install are using?)
>     > > > >
>     > > > > Andrew
>     > > > >
>     > > > > On 4/26/06, Evan Roth < eva...@gm...
>     <mailto:eva...@gm...> > wrote:
>     > > > > > personally, i'm kind of skeptical of the first idea,
>     since it seems
>     > like
>     > > > > > overkill.  do people actually use a desktop reader, when
>     they have a
>     > > > browser
>     > > > > > reader that functions similarly?  i used to use
>     Owl...over a year
>     > > > > > ago...before i went with fof.  i dropped it since it wasn't
>     > portable.
>     > > > (who
>     > > > > > knows if they've made major updates since, which make it
>     better)
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > the 2nd idea is decent...but for any social software to be
>     > successful,
>     > > > you
>     > > > > > need a huge amount of users.   and to get started on
>     that, we should
>     > > > really
>     > > > > > finish multi-user here.  so i guess i just chug along
>     with that.
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > >
>     > > > > > On 4/26/06, Andrew Turner < ajt...@hi...
>     <mailto:ajt...@hi...> > wrote:
>     > > > > > > There is the bug/feature list over at the SF Project
>     site - just
>     > > > > > > request to me and i'll assign you tasks. Helps keep
>     the flow
>     > through
>     > > > > > > one person to coordinate tasks.
>     > > > > > >
>     > > > > > > There is also the "feature list" on the roadmap, most
>     of which is
>     > > > > > > listed in the feature list.
>     > > > > > >
>     > > > > > > Two big features we've tossed around, but not made
>     progress on:
>     > > > > > > 1) Syncronizing FoFRedux w/ a desktop reader (Vienna
>     (open-source
>     > > > > > > mac), OwlReader (open-source windows?), NetNewsWire
>     (has sync to
>     > > > > > > newsgator)). Basically this would be adding a
>     web-services API,
>     > > > > > > preferably being something simple like REST (w/ Auth)
>     for getting
>     > > > > > > statuses of feeds/items, setting the status, etc.
>     > > > > > >
>     > > > > > > 2) Sharing of tags and feeds with multiple installs of
>     FoFRedux &
>     > > > > > > other software. For example, we can form "pools" of shared
>     > information
>     > > > > > > where tags and feeds are shared in a group. So when I
>     read my
>     > items, I
>     > > > > > > can see that other people have tagged a given item
>     with "tech,
>     > > > > > > politics, freedomofspeed" and then I can click on that
>     tag and see
>     > > > > > > other FoF-readers tags that used that. I think there
>     were some
>     > other
>     > > > > > > cool ideas along this line brought up on the mailiing
>     list in the
>     > past
>     > > > > > > that may be worth searching for.
>     > > > > > >
>     > > > > > > Anyways, any of those sources are good todos that
>     haven't been
>     > picked
>     > > > > > > up yet. Just drop your intent via the mailing list or
>     to me and
>     > you'll
>     > > > > > > get assigned. :)
>     > > > > > >
>     > > > > > > Andrew
>     > > > > > >
>     > > > > > >
>     > > > > > > On 4/26/06, Evan Roth < eva...@gm...
>     <mailto:eva...@gm...>> wrote:
>     > > > > > > > hey guys,
>     > > > > > > >
>     > > > > > > > now that i've got the login up and working, i was
>     going to move
>     > on
>     > > > to
>     > > > > > > > something else.
>     > > > > > > >
>     > > > > > > > do we have a task list or something?
>     > > > > > > >
>     > > > > > > > otherwise i would add the options to enable/disable
>     gzipping the
>     > > > feed
>     > > > > > html
>     > > > > > > > and select sort order (cache or publish time).
>     > > > > > > >
>     > > > > > > > any other major requests or needs?
>     > > > > > > >
>     > > > > > > > /evan
>     > > > > > > >
>     > > > > > >
>     > > > > > >
>     > > > > > > --
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