Re: [Fofredux-devel] Search and tags

[Kevin <ke...@dr...>]

> For storing searches, do we just have a table of SQL "WHERE" clauses,
> or do we attempt to store more complex columns? I will want to do
> searches/aggregations like:
>
> terms:
> feeds:
> tags: unread, mac, programming
> when: 04/01/04 to 05/320/05
>
> terms: illinois governor OR congress
> feeds:
> tags: read
> when:
>
> Are these columns enough?

That should do.

> What are "Tags in tags"? Do you want to create a tree (politics ->
> republican, wig, independent; computers -> mac -> programs, windows),
> or just sets (computers -> mac, windows; technology -> mac ->
> programs, palm -> programs, gadgets)
>
> Trees/sets could get fairly ugly trying to maintain, don't you think?
> Categories could just be "collections" of tags? Again, seems like a
> complicated matter.

A tag that contains other tags is probably too much to deal with.  If we
support grouping tags together within categories or saved searches, that
should cover most needs.


> On 11/28/05, Kevin <ke...@dr...> wrote:
>>
>> > I think a tag is like a "categorization" of feeds and items. This ha=
s
>> > been the 'traditional' meaning and the one that most users would com=
e
>> > in understanding from Flickr, del.icio.us, etc.
>> >
>> > A "category" would mean a genre and is more general.
>> >
>> > - tags are specific classifications (php, toread, code, political,
>> > republican, article)
>> > - categories are broad classificiations (programming, politics, loca=
l)
>> >
>> > One of the discussion lines awhile ago was to not do categories, and
>> > just do tags, since tags should be able to encapsulate anything a
>> > category is. However, perhaps they are "too specific", and a hierach=
y
>> > in an OPML file would be difficult, since feeds have multiple tags.
>> > Now an OPML file can contain tag markups of feeds and items, but thi=
s
>> > wouldn't be an outline form, just more metadata within the feed tags=
.
>> >
>> > Categories are pretty much done, just some things to clean up in the
>> > code (initial install when no categories exist or imported feeds w/o=
 a
>> > category - I guess just add an initial "None" category) But do you
>> > think tags vs. categories as two organization schemes will confuse
>> > users?
>>
>> The differences between categories and tags are blurry in places.  As
>> you
>> can see with all my emails today, I'm still trying to iron out what a
>> tag
>> should be.  I guess it's all about how the user wants to use them.  I'=
ll
>> get alot of value out of having only tags as long as they we can
>> aggregate
>> them together.(tags that contain other tags) Or, maybe that's where we
>> start calling them "categories".
>>
>>
>> > You brought up a good point about "Tagging" searches. I definitely
>> > think saved searches ("smart folders") are great. These searches wou=
ld
>> > be available for reading or for providing an aggregated feed. Taggin=
g
>> > searches is interesting, can you provide an example of how it would
>> > work?
>>
>> The tagged search would be stored as a list of search criteria.  Which
>> then would be compiled into a WHERE clause for an SQL query.
>>
>> The criteria would be defined like:
>>
>> feed =3D 2
>> tag =3D unread
>> title like '%something%'
>>
>> --
>> Kevin
>>
>>
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