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From: khaled A. A. <bro...@gm...> - 2006-03-19 16:26:58
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Just made the greys consistent throughout the design a bit (that's includin= g the main feeds page. I've also tweaked the login to be consistent with the admin panel. Just going to deal with the organising the feeds section. I wa= s thinking how hard would it be to do an ajax drag and drop feature for putting the feeds into different catgories etc? Hard? Doable? Anyway here's a few of the pages: http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/admin-panel/Admin-Panel-settings.jpg http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/login-panel/login-v3.jpg http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/framed-user-panel/Version-0.93.jpg khaled |
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From: Andrew T. (nilspace) <nil...@us...> - 2006-03-20 00:53:24
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I liked the vertical bar personally. Perhaps you could have the vertical bar for all admin/config pages, so list the "Feeds Category Tags ..." Vertically in the bar? Then the view page would have the bar along the top. A way to visually differentiate b/w setup and viewing. As for the drag & drop - doable, not sure if we want to do that? We don't want to over-bloat the interface with Ajax just for Ajax-sake. Perhaps I can add it at some point for useability testing to see if it's too much or not. I like the overall look out of how the pages are turning out! Andrew On 3/19/06, khaled Abou Alfa <bro...@gm...> wrote: > Just made the greys consistent throughout the design a bit (that's includ= ing > the main feeds page. I've also tweaked the login to be consistent with th= e > admin panel. Just going to deal with the organising the feeds section. I = was > thinking how hard would it be to do an ajax drag and drop feature for > putting the feeds into different catgories etc? Hard? Doable? > > Anyway here's a few of the pages: > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/admin-panel/Admin-Panel-settings.jp= g > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/login-panel/login-v3.jpg > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/framed-user-panel/Version-0.93.jpg > > khaled > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: khaled A. A. <bro...@gm...> - 2006-03-20 21:54:57
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Andrew I had a think about what you said and I've stripped those pages down= . The idea being that they don't actually fit into the look of the page, so just take them out. They mean nothing in that context. Hopefully that shoul= d make it all pretty clear that you're elsewhere. The only thing that I think would be good to put in a vertical column down the side (which would make i= t even more clear that you're somewhere else) is to have user information about the page and how to use it. Anyway here's the simplified version. http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/admin-panel/Admin-Panel-settings-v2.j= pg To be honest I was only thinking about getting some ajaxy goodness in there for funnily enough a usability pov, however if you guys aren't all that kee= n on that sort of thing, that's cool. I've included what I think could work very simply. It's very similar to the way that WordPress handles these things, so it shouldn't difficult to implement. It's a first stab so as always ideas and thoughts about how to improve this. http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/admin-panel/Admin-Panel-organise.jpg We're nearly there :) (only 2 more pages to go). On 3/20/06, Andrew Turner (nilspace) <nil...@us...> wrote= : > > I liked the vertical bar personally. Perhaps you could have the > vertical bar for all admin/config pages, so list the "Feeds Category > Tags ..." Vertically in the bar? Then the view page would have the bar > along the top. A way to visually differentiate b/w setup and viewing. > > As for the drag & drop - doable, not sure if we want to do that? We > don't want to over-bloat the interface with Ajax just for Ajax-sake. > Perhaps I can add it at some point for useability testing to see if > it's too much or not. > > I like the overall look out of how the pages are turning out! > > Andrew > > On 3/19/06, khaled Abou Alfa <bro...@gm...> wrote: > > Just made the greys consistent throughout the design a bit (that's > including > > the main feeds page. I've also tweaked the login to be consistent with > the > > admin panel. Just going to deal with the organising the feeds section. = I > was > > thinking how hard would it be to do an ajax drag and drop feature for > > putting the feeds into different catgories etc? Hard? Doable? > > > > Anyway here's a few of the pages: > > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/admin-panel/Admin-Panel-settings.jp= g > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/login-panel/login-v3.jpg > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/framed-user-panel/Version-0.93.jp= g > > > > khaled > > > > > -- > Andrew Turner > ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W > http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA > |
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From: Evan R. <eva...@gm...> - 2006-03-21 19:15:47
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Although to be honest, a few simple ajax uses here and there would be quite nice. For example...click an item read, it goes to db straight away and removes that item from view. would be quite simple. when you get into GUI implementations with ajax, you add lots of complexity that may not be necessary. For reference, check out the prototype framework. http://prototype.conio.net/ .evan On 3/20/06, khaled Abou Alfa <bro...@gm...> wrote: > > Andrew I had a think about what you said and I've stripped those pages > down. The idea being that they don't actually fit into the look of the pa= ge, > so just take them out. They mean nothing in that context. Hopefully that > should make it all pretty clear that you're elsewhere. The only thing tha= t I > think would be good to put in a vertical column down the side (which woul= d > make it even more clear that you're somewhere else) is to have user > information about the page and how to use it. Anyway here's the simplifie= d > version. > > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/admin-panel/Admin-Panel-settings-v2= .jpg > > To be honest I was only thinking about getting some ajaxy goodness in > there for funnily enough a usability pov, however if you guys aren't all > that keen on that sort of thing, that's cool. I've included what I think > could work very simply. It's very similar to the way that WordPress handl= es > these things, so it shouldn't difficult to implement. It's a first stab s= o > as always ideas and thoughts about how to improve this. > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/admin-panel/Admin-Panel-organise.jp= g > > We're nearly there :) (only 2 more pages to go). > > > > > On 3/20/06, Andrew Turner (nilspace) <nil...@us...> > wrote: > > > > I liked the vertical bar personally. Perhaps you could have the > > vertical bar for all admin/config pages, so list the "Feeds Category > > Tags ..." Vertically in the bar? Then the view page would have the bar > > along the top. A way to visually differentiate b/w setup and viewing. > > > > As for the drag & drop - doable, not sure if we want to do that? We > > don't want to over-bloat the interface with Ajax just for Ajax-sake. > > Perhaps I can add it at some point for useability testing to see if > > it's too much or not. > > > > I like the overall look out of how the pages are turning out! > > > > Andrew > > > > On 3/19/06, khaled Abou Alfa < bro...@gm...> wrote: > > > Just made the greys consistent throughout the design a bit (that's > > including > > > the main feeds page. I've also tweaked the login to be consistent wit= h > > the > > > admin panel. Just going to deal with the organising the feeds section= . > > I was > > > thinking how hard would it be to do an ajax drag and drop feature for > > > putting the feeds into different catgories etc? Hard? Doable? > > > > > > Anyway here's a few of the pages: > > > > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/admin-panel/Admin-Panel-settings.= jpg > > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/login-panel/login-v3.jpg > > > > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/framed-user-panel/Version-0.93.jp= g > > > > > > khaled > > > > > > > > > -- > > Andrew Turner > > ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W > > http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA > > > > |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2006-03-21 19:27:12
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Definitely, I think Ajax is great thing for smooth user-interface and will definitely be put into FoFRedux 0.4. I just want to make sure we keep our design heads about us when putting it in. :) I've used prototype a bunch and it's very nice. However, it can be very heavyweight. There is MooFX which is supposed to be a much lighter-weight, but fairly full-featured Ajax library. Worst case, we just write the straight ajax, which is pretty simple and I've done that before as well. Thanks for the feedback. Andrew On 3/21/06, Evan Roth <eva...@gm...> wrote: > Although to be honest, a few simple ajax uses here and there would be qui= te > nice. For example...click an item read, it goes to db straight away and > removes that item from view. would be quite simple. when you get into G= UI > implementations with ajax, you add lots of complexity that may not be > necessary. For reference, check out the prototype framework. > http://prototype.conio.net/ > .evan > > > On 3/20/06, khaled Abou Alfa <bro...@gm... > wrote: > > > > Andrew I had a think about what you said and I've stripped those pages > down. The idea being that they don't actually fit into the look of the pa= ge, > so just take them out. They mean nothing in that context. Hopefully that > should make it all pretty clear that you're elsewhere. The only thing tha= t I > think would be good to put in a vertical column down the side (which woul= d > make it even more clear that you're somewhere else) is to have user > information about the page and how to use it. Anyway here's the simplifie= d > version. > > > > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/admin-panel/Admin-Panel-settings-v2= .jpg > > > > To be honest I was only thinking about getting some ajaxy goodness in > there for funnily enough a usability pov, however if you guys aren't all > that keen on that sort of thing, that's cool. I've included what I think > could work very simply. It's very similar to the way that WordPress handl= es > these things, so it shouldn't difficult to implement. It's a first stab s= o > as always ideas and thoughts about how to improve this. > > > > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/admin-panel/Admin-Panel-organise.jp= g > > > > We're nearly there :) (only 2 more pages to go). > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/20/06, Andrew Turner (nilspace) < nil...@us...> > wrote: > > > I liked the vertical bar personally. Perhaps you could have the > > > vertical bar for all admin/config pages, so list the "Feeds Category > > > Tags ..." Vertically in the bar? Then the view page would have the ba= r > > > along the top. A way to visually differentiate b/w setup and viewing. > > > > > > As for the drag & drop - doable, not sure if we want to do that? We > > > don't want to over-bloat the interface with Ajax just for Ajax-sake. > > > Perhaps I can add it at some point for useability testing to see if > > > it's too much or not. > > > > > > I like the overall look out of how the pages are turning out! > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > On 3/19/06, khaled Abou Alfa < bro...@gm...> wrote: > > > > Just made the greys consistent throughout the design a bit (that's > including > > > > the main feeds page. I've also tweaked the login to be consistent w= ith > the > > > > admin panel. Just going to deal with the organising the feeds secti= on. > I was > > > > thinking how hard would it be to do an ajax drag and drop feature f= or > > > > putting the feeds into different catgories etc? Hard? Doable? > > > > > > > > Anyway here's a few of the pages: > > > > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/admin-panel/Admin-Panel-settings.jp= g > > > > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/login-panel/login-v3.jpg > > > > > http://www.brokenkode.com/fofr/albums/framed-user-panel/Version-0.93.jpg > > > > > > > > khaled > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Andrew Turner > > > ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W > > > http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA > > > > > > > > > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: Kevin <ke...@dr...> - 2006-03-21 19:46:31
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> Definitely, I think Ajax is great thing for smooth user-interface and > will definitely be put into FoFRedux 0.4. I just want to make sure we > keep our design heads about us when putting it in. :) > > I've used prototype a bunch and it's very nice. However, it can be > very heavyweight. There is MooFX which is supposed to be a much > lighter-weight, but fairly full-featured Ajax library. Worst case, we > just write the straight ajax, which is pretty simple and I've done > that before as well. I haven't used Prototype yet, but have read the docs and quite a few reviews. It's benefits are not limited to Ajax. I think the event handling and OO helper objects/functions look very useful also. The event handling specifically, looks like it will save alot of effort finishing up the keyboard shortcut work. -Kevin --=20 Kevin |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2006-03-21 20:11:24
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Good point about the keyboard implementation and other benefits. We should do a quick review/analysis of the available libraries before choosing one. Andrew On 3/21/06, Kevin <ke...@dr...> wrote: > > > Definitely, I think Ajax is great thing for smooth user-interface and > > will definitely be put into FoFRedux 0.4. I just want to make sure we > > keep our design heads about us when putting it in. :) > > > > I've used prototype a bunch and it's very nice. However, it can be > > very heavyweight. There is MooFX which is supposed to be a much > > lighter-weight, but fairly full-featured Ajax library. Worst case, we > > just write the straight ajax, which is pretty simple and I've done > > that before as well. > > I haven't used Prototype yet, but have read the docs and quite a few > reviews. It's benefits are not limited to Ajax. I think the event > handling and OO helper objects/functions look very useful also. The > event handling specifically, looks like it will save alot of effort > finishing up the keyboard shortcut work. > > -Kevin > > > > -- > Kevin > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting langua= ge > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webc= ast > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territor= y! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid=110944&bid$1720&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: Evan R. <eva...@gm...> - 2006-03-21 21:39:05
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The secret to prototype is simply $F. It makes it so simple to grab a DOM object and begin to play with it. I've found prototype itself to be relatively lightweight, since when you are doing ajax stuff, you really do need the whole mix of stuff it provides. If i remember correctly, MooFX is built on prototype, and is more for javascript effects...similar to what yo= u would find from yahoo!, rico, etc. prototype simply provides the framework to make the rest possible. In short, if we want the functionality, but not the fancy interface effects...you just need prototype. I'm sure theres alternatives...but everything i've done at work and home has started there, so that's the extent of my experience. On 3/21/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: > > Good point about the keyboard implementation and other benefits. We > should do a quick review/analysis of the available libraries before > choosing one. > > Andrew > > On 3/21/06, Kevin <ke...@dr...> wrote: > > > > > Definitely, I think Ajax is great thing for smooth user-interface and > > > will definitely be put into FoFRedux 0.4. I just want to make sure we > > > keep our design heads about us when putting it in. :) > > > > > > I've used prototype a bunch and it's very nice. However, it can be > > > very heavyweight. There is MooFX which is supposed to be a much > > > lighter-weight, but fairly full-featured Ajax library. Worst case, we > > > just write the straight ajax, which is pretty simple and I've done > > > that before as well. > > > > I haven't used Prototype yet, but have read the docs and quite a few > > reviews. It's benefits are not limited to Ajax. I think the event > > handling and OO helper objects/functions look very useful also. The > > event handling specifically, looks like it will save alot of effort > > finishing up the keyboard shortcut work. > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > -- > > Kevin > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > language > > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live > webcast > > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding > territory! > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid=110944&bid$1720&dat=121642 > > _______________________________________________ > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > Fof...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > > > -- > Andrew Turner > ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W > http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > language > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live > webcast > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding > territory! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid=110944&bid$1720&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Fofredux-devel mailing list > Fof...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2006-03-21 21:53:04
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Correct, MooFX is written with Prototype, so gives you that nice $F grabbing. I believe it's pared down. So MooFX is 3kb vs. the Prototype (30k) plus Scriptaculous, et al. http://moofx.mad4milk.net/ Quick Guide to Prototype: http://www.particletree.com/features/quick-guide-to-prototype/ Well, I guess this brings up the question - Khaled, any thoughts on how your interface scales to mobile devices? Andrew On 3/21/06, Evan Roth <eva...@gm...> wrote: > The secret to prototype is simply $F. It makes it so simple to grab a DO= M > object and begin to play with it. I've found prototype itself to be > relatively lightweight, since when you are doing ajax stuff, you really d= o > need the whole mix of stuff it provides. If i remember correctly, MooFX = is > built on prototype, and is more for javascript effects...similar to what = you > would find from yahoo!, rico, etc. prototype simply provides the framewo= rk > to make the rest possible. > In short, if we want the functionality, but not the fancy interface > effects...you just need prototype. I'm sure theres alternatives...but > everything i've done at work and home has started there, so that's the > extent of my experience. > > > > On 3/21/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: > > Good point about the keyboard implementation and other benefits. We > > should do a quick review/analysis of the available libraries before > > choosing one. > > > > Andrew > > > > On 3/21/06, Kevin < ke...@dr...> wrote: > > > > > > > Definitely, I think Ajax is great thing for smooth user-interface a= nd > > > > will definitely be put into FoFRedux 0.4. I just want to make sure = we > > > > keep our design heads about us when putting it in. :) > > > > > > > > I've used prototype a bunch and it's very nice. However, it can be > > > > very heavyweight. There is MooFX which is supposed to be a much > > > > lighter-weight, but fairly full-featured Ajax library. Worst case, = we > > > > just write the straight ajax, which is pretty simple and I've done > > > > that before as well. > > > > > > I haven't used Prototype yet, but have read the docs and quite a few > > > reviews. It's benefits are not limited to Ajax. I think the event > > > handling and OO helper objects/functions look very useful also. The > > > event handling specifically, looks like it will save alot of effort > > > finishing up the keyboard shortcut work. > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > language > > > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live > webcast > > > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding > territory! > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid=110944&bid$1720&dat=121642 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > > Fof...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > > > > > > > -- > > Andrew Turner > > ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W > > http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > language > > that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live > webcast > > and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding > territory! > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid=110944&bid$1720&dat=121642 > > _______________________________________________ > > Fofredux-devel mailing list > > Fof...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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From: Broken K. <kha...@gm...> - 2006-03-21 23:23:49
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Regarding how it scales down, that's a pretty interesting one, the short answer is not really. I've only ever seen my site on a Blackberry once and the css wasn't working but the markup was pretty good and it was completely readable. The question is do you make a css file specifically for mobile devices? If so what's the 'standard' resolution you can play around with? If anyone's got some links etc I'll do my homework and come back with a battle plan, just need a nudge in the right direction :). Andrew Turner wrote: >Correct, MooFX is written with Prototype, so gives you that nice $F >grabbing. I believe it's pared down. So MooFX is 3kb vs. the Prototype >(30k) plus Scriptaculous, et al. > >http://moofx.mad4milk.net/ > >Quick Guide to Prototype: >http://www.particletree.com/features/quick-guide-to-prototype/ > >Well, I guess this brings up the question - Khaled, any thoughts on >how your interface scales to mobile devices? > >Andrew > >On 3/21/06, Evan Roth <eva...@gm...> wrote: > > >>The secret to prototype is simply $F. It makes it so simple to grab a DOM >>object and begin to play with it. I've found prototype itself to be >>relatively lightweight, since when you are doing ajax stuff, you really do >>need the whole mix of stuff it provides. If i remember correctly, MooFX is >>built on prototype, and is more for javascript effects...similar to what you >>would find from yahoo!, rico, etc. prototype simply provides the framework >>to make the rest possible. >>In short, if we want the functionality, but not the fancy interface >>effects...you just need prototype. I'm sure theres alternatives...but >>everything i've done at work and home has started there, so that's the >>extent of my experience. >> >> >> >>On 3/21/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: >> >> >>>Good point about the keyboard implementation and other benefits. We >>>should do a quick review/analysis of the available libraries before >>>choosing one. >>> >>>Andrew >>> >>>On 3/21/06, Kevin < ke...@dr...> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>Definitely, I think Ajax is great thing for smooth user-interface and >>>>>will definitely be put into FoFRedux 0.4. I just want to make sure we >>>>>keep our design heads about us when putting it in. :) >>>>> >>>>>I've used prototype a bunch and it's very nice. However, it can be >>>>>very heavyweight. There is MooFX which is supposed to be a much >>>>>lighter-weight, but fairly full-featured Ajax library. Worst case, we >>>>>just write the straight ajax, which is pretty simple and I've done >>>>>that before as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I haven't used Prototype yet, but have read the docs and quite a few >>>>reviews. It's benefits are not limited to Ajax. I think the event >>>>handling and OO helper objects/functions look very useful also. The >>>>event handling specifically, looks like it will save alot of effort >>>>finishing up the keyboard shortcut work. >>>> >>>>-Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------- >>>>This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting >>>> >>>> >>language >> >> >>>>that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live >>>> >>>> >>webcast >> >> >>>>and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding >>>> >>>> >>territory! >> >> >>http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 >> >> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Fofredux-devel mailing list >>>>Fof...@li... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel >> >> >>>-- >>>Andrew Turner >>>ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W >>>http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------- >>>This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting >>> >>> >>language >> >> >>>that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live >>> >>> >>webcast >> >> >>>and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding >>> >>> >>territory! >> >> >>http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Fofredux-devel mailing list >>>Fof...@li... >>> >>> >>> >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel >> >> >> >> > > >-- >Andrew Turner >ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W >http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language >that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast >and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! >http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=k&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 >_______________________________________________ >Fofredux-devel mailing list >Fof...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > |
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From: Andrew T. <ajt...@hi...> - 2006-03-21 23:58:30
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There are several options which I've used: 1) Simple CSS which scales well - FoFRedux looks great on the Nokia 770, and passable on cellphones web browsers (non-WAP) 2) Device-specific CSS - not all devices properly know they're small, so the handheld css isn't always used 3) JS Detect and CSS Switch 4) Seperate portal entry - this may be the 'best' option as the pages are dynamically created, so maintaining a simplified output, perhaps even the current style, for portable devices may the choice to use (e.g. http://fofredux/mobile) On 3/21/06, Broken Kode <kha...@gm...> wrote: > Regarding how it scales down, that's a pretty interesting one, the short > answer is not really. I've only ever seen my site on a Blackberry once > and the css wasn't working but the markup was pretty good and it was > completely readable. The question is do you make a css file specifically > for mobile devices? If so what's the 'standard' resolution you can play > around with? If anyone's got some links etc I'll do my homework and come > back with a battle plan, just need a nudge in the right direction :). > > Andrew Turner wrote: > > >Correct, MooFX is written with Prototype, so gives you that nice $F > >grabbing. I believe it's pared down. So MooFX is 3kb vs. the Prototype > >(30k) plus Scriptaculous, et al. > > > >http://moofx.mad4milk.net/ > > > >Quick Guide to Prototype: > >http://www.particletree.com/features/quick-guide-to-prototype/ > > > >Well, I guess this brings up the question - Khaled, any thoughts on > >how your interface scales to mobile devices? > > > >Andrew > > > >On 3/21/06, Evan Roth <eva...@gm...> wrote: > > > > > >>The secret to prototype is simply $F. It makes it so simple to grab a = DOM > >>object and begin to play with it. I've found prototype itself to be > >>relatively lightweight, since when you are doing ajax stuff, you really= do > >>need the whole mix of stuff it provides. If i remember correctly, MooF= X is > >>built on prototype, and is more for javascript effects...similar to wha= t you > >>would find from yahoo!, rico, etc. prototype simply provides the frame= work > >>to make the rest possible. > >>In short, if we want the functionality, but not the fancy interface > >>effects...you just need prototype. I'm sure theres alternatives...but > >>everything i've done at work and home has started there, so that's the > >>extent of my experience. > >> > >> > >> > >>On 3/21/06, Andrew Turner <ajt...@hi...> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Good point about the keyboard implementation and other benefits. We > >>>should do a quick review/analysis of the available libraries before > >>>choosing one. > >>> > >>>Andrew > >>> > >>>On 3/21/06, Kevin < ke...@dr...> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Definitely, I think Ajax is great thing for smooth user-interface an= d > >>>>>will definitely be put into FoFRedux 0.4. I just want to make sure w= e > >>>>>keep our design heads about us when putting it in. :) > >>>>> > >>>>>I've used prototype a bunch and it's very nice. However, it can be > >>>>>very heavyweight. There is MooFX which is supposed to be a much > >>>>>lighter-weight, but fairly full-featured Ajax library. Worst case, w= e > >>>>>just write the straight ajax, which is pretty simple and I've done > >>>>>that before as well. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>I haven't used Prototype yet, but have read the docs and quite a few > >>>>reviews. It's benefits are not limited to Ajax. I think the event > >>>>handling and OO helper objects/functions look very useful also. The > >>>>event handling specifically, looks like it will save alot of effort > >>>>finishing up the keyboard shortcut work. > >>>> > >>>>-Kevin > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Kevin > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > >>>> > >>>> > >>language > >> > >> > >>>>that extends applications into web and mobile media. 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Attend the live web= cast > >and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territo= ry! > >http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dk&kid=110944&bid$1720&dat=121642 > >_______________________________________________ > >Fofredux-devel mailing list > >Fof...@li... > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fofredux-devel > > > > > > > > -- Andrew Turner ajt...@hi... 42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA |
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