firebird-website

[Firebird-website] Wake up email

[Alexey K. <ak...@ib...>]

Hello All,

It's a wake up email.
We need all resources at the current stage of new web-site development.
We have beta version now - www.firebirdtest.com, and it requires testing 
efforts.

The most important thing now is proofreading, so we need English native 
speakers first.

To report any problem, please create issues at Tracker.firebirdsql.org 
in the Web site section http://tracker.firebirdsql.org/browse/WEB 
(issues with wrong section will be not considered).

Please feel free to ask any questions.

Regards,
Alexey Kovyazin

Re: [Firebird-website] Wake up email

[Milan B. <mi...@pa...>]

Alexey Kovyazin wrote:
> It's a wake up email.
> We need all resources at the current stage of new web-site development.
> We have beta version now - www.firebirdtest.com, and it requires testing 
> efforts.

Could you please change the FirebirdFAQ.org link from:

"The FAQ is maintained at a separate site by the community members. 
Please follow [this link] to be redirected."

to:

"The FAQ is maintained by the community members at [www.FirebirdFAQ.org]."


Using "this link", "click here" and similar wording for links is not 
considered a good practice. I'll browse around the website to see if 
there are more links like this.

Thanks,


-- 
Milan Babuskov
http://www.flamerobin.org
http://www.firebirdfaq.org

Re: [Firebird-website] Wake up email

[Milan B. <mi...@pa...>]

Alexey Kovyazin wrote:
> To report any problem, please create issues at Tracker.firebirdsql.org 
> in the Web site section http://tracker.firebirdsql.org/browse/WEB 
> (issues with wrong section will be not considered).
> 
> Please feel free to ask any questions.

I already created a tracker item for the following, but maybe it's worth 
discussing here:

It seems to me that the website is missing the page with links to GUI 
administration tools.

Anyone interested in trying out Firebird would come to the website 
expecting to get a functioning database server and graphical 
administration tool. I understand that tools are not developed by the 
project, but I believe it is very important to list some graphical 
administration tools on the website. Otherwise, many people would come 
to a wrong conclusion that this is a console-mode only product and 
dismiss it without discovering all the features.

If you do not want to promote commercial tools, please include open 
source tools like FlameRobin. You can add an "administration tools" 
section to the "Downloads" page. The "administration tools" page would 
have a proper warning that "tools listed here are 3rd party tools and 
not developed by the project" or something like that.

BTW, this could be a good revenue source for the Foundation, to ask a 
small annual fee from commercial tool developers to list their products 
on this page.

Regards,

-- 
Milan Babuskov
http://www.flamerobin.org

Re: [Firebird-website] Wake up email

[Alexey K. <ak...@ib...>]

Milan,

thanks for good point.

>BTW, this could be a good revenue source for the Foundation, to ask a
>small annual fee from commercial tool developers to list their products
>on this page.

I am not sure  - why fee should be small? :)

There is a couple of issues regarding commercial activities in FF,
so initially at the first version of the site we will list only FlameRobin.



Regards,
Alexey Kovyazin






> Alexey Kovyazin wrote:
>> To report any problem, please create issues at Tracker.firebirdsql.org
>> in the Web site section http://tracker.firebirdsql.org/browse/WEB
>> (issues with wrong section will be not considered).
>>
>> Please feel free to ask any questions.
> I already created a tracker item for the following, but maybe it's worth
> discussing here:
>
> It seems to me that the website is missing the page with links to GUI
> administration tools.
>
> Anyone interested in trying out Firebird would come to the website
> expecting to get a functioning database server and graphical
> administration tool. I understand that tools are not developed by the
> project, but I believe it is very important to list some graphical
> administration tools on the website. Otherwise, many people would come
> to a wrong conclusion that this is a console-mode only product and
> dismiss it without discovering all the features.
>
> If you do not want to promote commercial tools, please include open
> source tools like FlameRobin. You can add an "administration tools"
> section to the "Downloads" page. The "administration tools" page would
> have a proper warning that "tools listed here are 3rd party tools and
> not developed by the project" or something like that.
>
> BTW, this could be a good revenue source for the Foundation, to ask a
> small annual fee from commercial tool developers to list their products
> on this page.
>
> Regards,
>

Re: [Firebird-website] Wake up email

[Carlos H. C. <li...@wa...>]

Just an initial idea, that can be discussed and enhanced:

1) Open Source tools should be listed for free
2) Free (but not open source) should be listed also for free, but
   separated from Open Source tools.
3) Commercial would be listed without fee, if author is regular Sponsor or FF
   member (voting member minimum), otherwise, fee is required. If
   no one meets the requirements, a small note can be included in the
   page, like: "You can Google for a list of commercial third party
   tools"

Page structure could be

Open Source tools
...
Commercial tools (meeting the above requirements)
...
Free tools
...

We don't have enough Open Source tools for all "tools categories" so,
including free (but not open source) tools will give visitor more options.

It would be bad if visitor comes to page to search for some tool (ie:
administration tool, replicator, etc), and find none available. As we
know, Firebird doesnt include any of these tools in the installer, so
we need to make it easy for the new user to find the third party
options.

[]s
Carlos H. Cantu
www.FireBase.com.br - www.firebirdnews.org
www.warmboot.com.br - blog.firebase.com.br

AK> Milan,

AK> thanks for good point.

>>BTW, this could be a good revenue source for the Foundation, to ask a
>>small annual fee from commercial tool developers to list their products
>>on this page.

AK> I am not sure  - why fee should be small? :)

AK> There is a couple of issues regarding commercial activities in FF,
AK> so initially at the first version of the site we will list only FlameRobin.



AK> Regards,
AK> Alexey Kovyazin






>> Alexey Kovyazin wrote:
>>> To report any problem, please create issues at Tracker.firebirdsql.org
>>> in the Web site section http://tracker.firebirdsql.org/browse/WEB
>>> (issues with wrong section will be not considered).
>>>
>>> Please feel free to ask any questions.
>> I already created a tracker item for the following, but maybe it's worth
>> discussing here:
>>
>> It seems to me that the website is missing the page with links to GUI
>> administration tools.
>>
>> Anyone interested in trying out Firebird would come to the website
>> expecting to get a functioning database server and graphical
>> administration tool. I understand that tools are not developed by the
>> project, but I believe it is very important to list some graphical
>> administration tools on the website. Otherwise, many people would come
>> to a wrong conclusion that this is a console-mode only product and
>> dismiss it without discovering all the features.
>>
>> If you do not want to promote commercial tools, please include open
>> source tools like FlameRobin. You can add an "administration tools"
>> section to the "Downloads" page. The "administration tools" page would
>> have a proper warning that "tools listed here are 3rd party tools and
>> not developed by the project" or something like that.
>>
>> BTW, this could be a good revenue source for the Foundation, to ask a
>> small annual fee from commercial tool developers to list their products
>> on this page.
>>
>> Regards,
>>


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Re: [Firebird-website] Wake up email

[Helen B. <he...@ii...>]

At 06:55 AM 30/03/2011, Carlos H. Cantu wrote:
>Just an initial idea, that can be discussed and enhanced:
>
>1) Open Source tools should be listed for free
>2) Free (but not open source) should be listed also for free, but
>   separated from Open Source tools.
>3) Commercial would be listed without fee, if author is regular Sponsor or FF
>   member (voting member minimum), otherwise, fee is required. If
>   no one meets the requirements, a small note can be included in the
>   page, like: "You can Google for a list of commercial third party
>   tools"
>
>Page structure could be
>
>Open Source tools
>...
>Commercial tools (meeting the above requirements)
>...
>Free tools
>...
>
>We don't have enough Open Source tools for all "tools categories" so,
>including free (but not open source) tools will give visitor more options.
>
>It would be bad if visitor comes to page to search for some tool (ie:
>administration tool, replicator, etc), and find none available. As we
>know, Firebird doesnt include any of these tools in the installer, so
>we need to make it easy for the new user to find the third party
>options.

This sounds pretty good to me as a start point!  

A suggestion, though - we could have *all* of the categories for open source tools (remember, open source doesn't have to be "free of charge" or "non-commercial") which may bring some lesser-known ones out of the woodwork.  "We don't know what we don't know", to quote the Lifestyle mantra.

Helen