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From: Carlos H. C. <li...@wa...> - 2009-11-23 16:25:05
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About logo, I'll put online a poll at FBNews about what users thinks about the currently logo, just to check people people opinion. PC> 1. I'm sure that Helen would gladly leave this task from hell to PC> somebody else. But almost nobody in the project is capable to handle the PC> content, as almost everybody has english as second language. Helen PC> handles our materials (release notes, announcements, PR, web page PC> content, everything) for us from the beginning, and she does an PC> excellent job. Only candidate(s) that could potentially handle it is PC> someone from Documentation project (Paul?), so ask him/them if they're PC> interested to take this responsibility. Good luck fishing. Helen is a very good writer and does this job very well, and I see no problem with she being kept as the site content supplier when needed. But there are 3 areas that "history" shows Helen is problematic: - Many times, she is too aggressive with people, so I would not put her in any kind of job that requires "talking" with someone else. - She is always right, and if you criticize anything that she have done, you will get in trouble. - She is not open to changes, specially those changes that doesn't fit in what she think is correct, or doesn't fit in her way of doing things. So, yes, Helen is a great writer, and she is very good in this task. PC> 2. I would gladly relieve myself and pass over the website control if PC> there would be anyone trustworthy for project admins to pass it to. PC> Anybody has a chance in past nine years to approach us and work his/her PC> way up on website and then eventually take full responsibility for it. PC> But guess what, nobody did. Nobody cared enough about our website to get PC> over pure clamouring about our "crappy work" and actually do something PC> with it. Everybody was just happy that somebody else handles it. What's PC> interesting is that all criticism to our work come only from outside the PC> project, and nobody from project members (i.e. people who actually work PC> on something in the project) was ever harsh on us about it. I understand your point, and I would not expect that any other currently member of the project would like to take this job, because they probably are already too busy, or because this is not their area. This is old problem from the project: lack of human resources. PC> reality. We have enough good ideas for the eternity, but we're PC> short-handed. So the best way to "move this task forward" is to help PC> materialize them. There are plenty things that one can help with. Maybe it is time to list this things and let people volunteer for it. PC> Does it mean that you're volunteering to take the full responsibility PC> for the site? If you're not, there is no honourable way out for us. I'm not a project member, and afaiu from your above comments, the job should be taken by some project member. Also, I'm not a professional webmaster. I created all my sites, but to do that, I only had to make one person happy: me :) But, if you or anybody else thinks I would be able to help in any of the tasks involved in the required changes, I would be glad to help. But first, I need to know what would be the job and, of course, see if my currently time and skills would allow me to accomplish it. []s Carlos H. Cantu www.FireBase.com.br - www.firebirdnews.org www.warmboot.com.br - blog.firebase.com.br |
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From: Pavel C. <pc...@ib...> - 2009-11-23 17:11:43
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Carlos H. Cantu napsal(a): > About logo, I'll put online a poll at FBNews about what users thinks > about the currently logo, just to check people people opinion. You're welcome. It doesn't hurt or anything. > PC> 1. I'm sure that Helen would gladly leave this task from hell to > PC> somebody else. But almost nobody in the project is capable to handle the > PC> content, as almost everybody has english as second language. Helen > PC> handles our materials (release notes, announcements, PR, web page > PC> content, everything) for us from the beginning, and she does an > PC> excellent job. Only candidate(s) that could potentially handle it is > PC> someone from Documentation project (Paul?), so ask him/them if they're > PC> interested to take this responsibility. Good luck fishing. > > Helen is a very good writer and does this job very well, and I see no > problem with she being kept as the site content supplier when needed. > But there are 3 areas that "history" shows Helen is problematic: > > - Many times, she is too aggressive with people, so I would not put > her in any kind of job that requires "talking" with someone else. > > - She is always right, and if you criticize anything that she have > done, you will get in trouble. > > - She is not open to changes, specially those changes that doesn't > fit in what she think is correct, or doesn't fit in her way of doing > things. > > So, yes, Helen is a great writer, and she is very good in this task. You know Carlos, e-mail is such a wonderful communication tool that allows one to think twice before hitting the send button. You should try that sometimes, especially as e-mails get archived for historical records and everything. After this one, I would wonder if any project member who *knows* Helen would ever take you seriously again. best regards Pavel Cisar |
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From: Martijn T. <m.t...@up...> - 2009-11-23 20:22:09
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> But isn't that what he's refeering to? > Besides, You don't need history. You need *visions* for fb to survive. > > The foundation HAS to found a promotional group ASAP. > Sooo many trains missed, 10 years ago, fb was already awsome, > the old "better than mysql" isn't valid anymore. What's the issue here? > Don't wanna become "mainstream"? Hopping on a train isn't easy. With regards, Martijn Tonies Upscene Productions http://www.upscene.com Download Database Workbench for Oracle, MS SQL Server, Sybase SQL Anywhere, MySQL, InterBase, NexusDB and Firebird! Database questions? Check the forum: http://www.databasedevelopmentforum.com |
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From: tjelvar e. <tj...@fa...> - 2009-11-23 21:14:53
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You're right, you have to move forward to stand a chance. * set new goals for the foundation - a new homepage isn't enough (and what you want from it will be clearer) * announce to forums / newssites that "coders wanted" from every aspect, dovecot to dbartisan (IS there still a relation between current delphi and fb??) * The foundation lack resources, search money for above and invite universities. * Launch a QND site with quickstart for these coders, people a currently looking for a decent mysql-alternative, (even here in Sweden, mysql origins). * Concider web-forums as an alternative to yahoo for that. They are quite wide-spread, I know some of you dislike them. Personally, I still dislike yahoo for what they did to those chinese journalists. Still nowhere to gather ideas, a maillist... ..we're all history. //t 23 nov 2009 kl. 21.21 skrev Martijn Tonies: > >> But isn't that what he's refeering to? >> Besides, You don't need history. You need *visions* for fb to >> survive. >> >> The foundation HAS to found a promotional group ASAP. >> Sooo many trains missed, 10 years ago, fb was already awsome, >> the old "better than mysql" isn't valid anymore. What's the issue >> here? >> Don't wanna become "mainstream"? > > Hopping on a train isn't easy. > > > With regards, > > Martijn Tonies > Upscene Productions > http://www.upscene.com > > Download Database Workbench for Oracle, MS SQL Server, Sybase SQL > Anywhere, MySQL, InterBase, NexusDB and Firebird! > > Database questions? Check the forum: > http://www.databasedevelopmentforum.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Firebird-website mailing list > Fir...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/firebird-website |
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From: tjelvar e. <tj...@fa...> - 2009-11-23 18:11:02
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> After this one, I would wonder if any project > member who *knows* NN would ever take you seriously again. That's the spirit, shoot the messenger boy and loyalty can never be exaggerated. > especially as e-mails get archived for historical records and > everything But isn't that what he's refeering to? Besides, You don't need history. You need *visions* for fb to survive. The foundation HAS to found a promotional group ASAP. Sooo many trains missed, 10 years ago, fb was already awsome, the old "better than mysql" isn't valid anymore. What's the issue here? Don't wanna become "mainstream"? AWH hopes for the embedded market, but tinysql and sqlite works for that. Webapplications is not the future, it's now. (Most countries consider delphi dead.) Work with open and closed source solutions, drupal, tigercrm, navision likes, If you don't want users, why do you do all this? //t |
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From: Rustam G. <fir...@ma...> - 2009-11-23 19:22:05
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Carlos, Pavel and others Sorry for interrupting, but may be it's better to talk about subj rather then debate personalities ? Thanks |
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From: Carlos H. C. <li...@wa...> - 2009-11-23 20:18:28
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Sure, my intention was to make a point why "I" think Helen doing content is ok, but see problems if she get involved in management or decision making. Sorry if it offended someone. []s Carlos H. Cantu www.FireBase.com.br - www.firebirdnews.org www.warmboot.com.br - blog.firebase.com.br RG> Carlos, Pavel and others RG> Sorry for interrupting, but may be it's better to talk about RG> subj rather then debate personalities ? RG> Thanks |
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