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From: Nigel W. <nw...@ex...> - 2004-08-11 23:58:45
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As you know, I'm keen to see docs written for Firebird. I started the Pocketbook series when I was at my previous employer, who had hosting services, so I popper a P133 on the internet, and hosted the document management system, 'FireFly' (Firebird based) Unfortunately, my current employer has no hosting ability, so everything I write has to be static, or hosted on someone elses infrastructure. That said, I'm as keen as mustard to see docs written up. If you received by attachments, please suggest subject areas to concentrate on, and I'll get working. If there was a web-based doc management system somewhere, that'd be really good for me! Nige. > > > Greetings, > Paul Vinkenoog > > > __________ NOD32 1.840 (20040811) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > |
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From: Lester C. <le...@ls...> - 2004-08-12 04:01:51
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Nigel Weeks wrote: > If you received by attachments, please suggest subject areas to concentrate > on, and I'll get working. Like Firebird on FreeBSD :) Building from Source First-time Configuration Users and Security - Protecting SYSDBA From your package could be dropped in the same place. Any expansion on FreeBSD would be nice. I will pick them off and add them into the Using Firebird package. The Building from source would be a good area, I still can't handle that ;) > If there was a web-based doc management system somewhere, that'd be really > good for me! http://home.lsces.co.uk/TikiPro/ is my attempt to get an online system working. I am being hampered at the moment because two sites that I had assumed my PHP system would just drop into and work but failed because Microshit have 'protected terminal server clients' so you don't know who they are - something that is fundamental to my system if I am to make an announcement calling a visitor to a particular client interview room. We also need to 'harvest' some of the other useful information that is floating around, but that will need clearing with the original author before we republish it. So the Borland stuff is out :) Expansion on the Reserved Word list sub pages would be most welcome. -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services |
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From: Nigel W. <nw...@ex...> - 2004-08-12 04:50:36
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If I do start filling up your TikiPro, will Paul V be able to use that info, or will we have to write things twice? If we had an online system that produced XML for Paul, HTML for people searching the web, and PDF's to package up with releases...we'd be cooking... If someone's got an ssh account, I can put FireFly back into action - it'll do this fairly well. Nige. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lester Caine" <le...@ls...> To: <fir...@li...> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Firebird-docs] Re: Docs on the go > Nigel Weeks wrote: > > > If you received by attachments, please suggest subject areas to concentrate > > on, and I'll get working. > > Like Firebird on FreeBSD :) > > Building from Source > First-time Configuration > Users and Security - Protecting SYSDBA > > From your package could be dropped in the same place. > Any expansion on FreeBSD would be nice. I will pick them off and add > them into the Using Firebird package. The Building from source would be > a good area, I still can't handle that ;) > > > If there was a web-based doc management system somewhere, that'd be really > > good for me! > > http://home.lsces.co.uk/TikiPro/ > is my attempt to get an online system working. I am being hampered at > the moment because two sites that I had assumed my PHP system would just > drop into and work but failed because Microshit have 'protected terminal > server clients' so you don't know who they are - something that is > fundamental to my system if I am to make an announcement calling a > visitor to a particular client interview room. > > We also need to 'harvest' some of the other useful information that is > floating around, but that will need clearing with the original author > before we republish it. So the Borland stuff is out :) > > Expansion on the Reserved Word list sub pages would be most welcome. > > -- > Lester Caine > ----------------------------- > L.S.Caine Electronic Services > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media > 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 > Save 50% off Retail on Ink & Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. > http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 > _______________________________________________ > Firebird-docs mailing list > Fir...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/firebird-docs > > > __________ NOD32 1.840 (20040811) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > |
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From: A6-CMO P. M. <mak...@a6...> - 2004-08-12 07:06:06
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Le 12/08/2004 06:50, Nigel Weeks a écrit : > If I do start filling up your TikiPro, will Paul V be able to use that = info, > or will we have to write things twice? >=20 > If we had an online system that produced XML for Paul, HTML for people > searching the web, and PDF's to package up with releases...we'd be > cooking... >=20 > If someone's got an ssh account, I can put FireFly back into action - i= t'll > do this fairly well. >=20 What do you need for Firefly ? --=20 Philippe Makowski Firebird serveur SQL open-source en fran=E7ais http://firebird-fr.eu.org Ma cl=E9 PGP : http://makowski.net/pgpkey.html |
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From: Nigel W. <nw...@ex...> - 2004-08-12 07:10:07
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PHP, Firebird, and a webserver that'll use a SAPI module of PHP(faster) Runs on Windows, Faster on BSD/Linux. Nige. > -----Original Message----- > From: fir...@li... > [mailto:fir...@li...]On Behalf Of A6-CMO > Philippe Makowski > Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2004 5:06 PM > To: fir...@li... > Subject: Re: [Firebird-docs] Re: Docs on the go > > > Le 12/08/2004 06:50, Nigel Weeks a écrit : > > If I do start filling up your TikiPro, will Paul V be able > to use that info, > > or will we have to write things twice? > > > > If we had an online system that produced XML for Paul, HTML > for people > > searching the web, and PDF's to package up with releases...we'd be > > cooking... > > > > If someone's got an ssh account, I can put FireFly back > into action - it'll > > do this fairly well. > > > What do you need for Firefly ? > > > -- > Philippe Makowski > Firebird serveur SQL open-source en français > http://firebird-fr.eu.org > > Ma clé PGP : http://makowski.net/pgpkey.html > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media > 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 > Save 50% off Retail on Ink & Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. > http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 > _______________________________________________ > Firebird-docs mailing list > Fir...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/firebird-docs > |
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From: A6-CMO P. M. <mak...@a6...> - 2004-08-12 07:25:43
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Le 12/08/2004 09:09, Nigel Weeks a écrit : > PHP, Firebird, and a webserver that'll use a SAPI module of PHP(faster) >=20 > Runs on Windows, Faster on BSD/Linux. >=20 > Nige. >=20 >=20 So have a look at : I think that Basic Hosting is ok <quote> I would like to make an offer for all FB Members here who are after fb hosting, I will offer: Basic Hosting - Free of charge (+ 1 FB Database) Developer Hosting - 50% discount Developer Plus Hosting - 25% discount Rules: 1. Must be a FB Member. 2. FB Fees must be paid up to date. How to claim: Sign up at http://www.tectsoft.net/ send me an email with your fb members= hip name/email and we will apply the discount. Rgds Si Carter TECT Software Ltd http://www.tectsoft.net/ </quote> PS I'm curious about your FireFly it can be a good solution for my own project --=20 Philippe Makowski Firebird serveur SQL open-source en fran=E7ais http://firebird-fr.eu.org Ma cl=E9 PGP : http://makowski.net/pgpkey.html |
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From: Paul V. <pa...@vi...> - 2004-08-12 13:36:45
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Hi Nigel, > If I do start filling up your TikiPro, will Paul V be able to use > that info, or will we have to write things twice? The info, yes, but only by cutting-and pasting into a DocBook document, and applying the necessary tags. > If we had an online system that produced XML for Paul, HTML for > people searching the web, and PDF's to package up with > releases...we'd be cooking... From the DocBook XML sources we already produce HTML for the web and PDFs to package (and download). Of course this isn't an online editing system - but it's both versatile and *very* powerful. I do hope that more people will take a sniff at DocBook (see http://www.firebirdsql.org/manual/docwritehowto.html or http://www.firebirdsql.org/pdfmanual/Firebird-Docwriters-Info.pdf) and start contributing... Greetings, Paul Vinkenoog |
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From: Lester C. <le...@ls...> - 2004-08-12 14:24:08
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Paul Vinkenoog wrote: >>From the DocBook XML sources we already produce HTML for the web and > PDFs to package (and download). Of course this isn't an online editing > system - but it's both versatile and *very* powerful. I do hope that > more people will take a sniff at DocBook (see > http://www.firebirdsql.org/manual/docwritehowto.html or > http://www.firebirdsql.org/pdfmanual/Firebird-Docwriters-Info.pdf) and > start contributing... I've had a couple of goes at trying to use it, but I simply can't get on with it. I need to be able to manage pages and small documents in isolation, and DocBooks is just too cumbersome for that. The wiki approach allows updates to be dropped in from anywhere, but is not the answer either - but I can modify the internal tags to produce XML ones when I do an extract from the database. I produce all of my on-line documentation as linked html, rather than linear documents, and I think that is what breaks DocBook? That said it is probably me that is broken ;) -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services |
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From: Paul V. <pa...@vi...> - 2004-08-12 15:09:42
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Hi Lester, [ DocBook ] > I've had a couple of goes at trying to use it, but I simply can't > get on with it. > I need to be able to manage pages and small documents in isolation, > and DocBooks is just too cumbersome for that. It is possible: I manage documents both in isolation and as a linked set, but this also involves the transformation stylesheets and their parameters, so that's an additional learning curve... Anyway I didn't mean to say that the Wiki or the Firefly approach is not good. Low-treshold online systems where everyone can contribute have their own dynamics and can be very useful. I just wonder if there should be a Wiki *and* the Firefly system - if there will be enough contributors for both, and if both systems have enough unique features to warrant their simultaneous existence. I must say that I was impressed with the PDFs that Nigel's engine produced. I know very little about Wikis and their strong points. > I produce all of my on-line documentation as linked html, rather > than linear documents, and I think that is what breaks DocBook? "breaks" under what circumstances? Did you feed the HTML to a DocBook authoring tool, or did you try to produce the HTML from DocBook sources? Producing linked HTML from DocBook XML is a sinch (given the right tools, like the ones we have in the manual module). > That said it is probably me that is broken ;) Play some John Lee Hooker: Blues is the Healer :-) Greetings, Paul Vinkenoog |
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From: Lester C. <le...@ls...> - 2004-08-12 15:33:35
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Paul Vinkenoog wrote: > I know very little about Wikis and their strong points. The key thing I need for production systems is the 'diff' module. TikiPro ( like all wiki's ) logs every change to a wiki page, and can display the history. SO you can wind back 'attacks' or im my customer systems, notes relating to a clients activities are logged and changes timestamped. Modules are being produced for html documents and no doubt XML will follow - we have the power :) >>I produce all of my on-line documentation as linked html, rather >>than linear documents, and I think that is what breaks DocBook? > > "breaks" under what circumstances? Did you feed the HTML to a DocBook > authoring tool, or did you try to produce the HTML from DocBook > sources? Producing linked HTML from DocBook XML is a sinch (given > the right tools, like the ones we have in the manual module). All my editing is now via Eclipse which handles XML quite happily but I think I probably just need to spend time with what I have already, and then produce the Eclipse/Firebird Docs user guide ;) -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services |
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From: Chris K. <ch...@e-...> - 2004-08-12 04:51:10
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Howdy, > -----Original Message----- > From: fir...@li... > On Behalf Of Lester Caine > Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2004 2:05 PM > To: fir...@li... > Subject: Re: [Firebird-docs] Re: Docs on the go > > Nigel Weeks wrote: > > > If you received by attachments, please suggest subject areas to > > concentrate on, and I'll get working. > > Like Firebird on FreeBSD :) > > Building from Source If you're talking about FreeBSD, then all you do is: Update ports tree if necessary (FreeBSD Handbook covers this) % cd /usr/ports/databases/firebird % make install The make install handles all the build tool dependencies for you. If you want a binary package to install on other PCs, after make install you do: % make package You then get a .tgz or .tbz (depending on FreeBSD version) package that can be installed on other PCs by running: pkg_add <name of package created above> > First-time Configuration > Users and Security - Protecting SYSDBA > The make install on FreeBSD pops up a message detailing how to change the sysdba password. > From your package could be dropped in the same place. > Any expansion on FreeBSD would be nice. I will pick them off > and add them into the Using Firebird package. The Building > from source would be a good area, I still can't handle that ;) > What, in general? Or just on FreeBSD? From all the build pain that keeps popping up on firebird-devel from time to time, I think the FreeBSD approach by taking care of the build toolchain for you makes life simpler. It's just a pain for me to keep maintaining it! :-) > [snip] > > -- > Lester Caine > ----------------------------- > L.S.Caine Electronic Services Regards, Chris Knight Systems Administrator E-Easy Tel: +61 3 6334 9995 Fax: +61 3 6331 7032 Mob: +61 419 528 795 Web: http://www.e-easy.com.au |
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From: Paul V. <pa...@vi...> - 2004-08-12 13:17:51
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Hi Nigel, > If you received by attachments, please suggest subject areas to > concentrate on, and I'll get working. How about the new security features in 1.5 ? (just an idea) The Firebird Quick Start Guide has already been donated to the project and will be bundled with all future releases. It's also available for online browsing. This is intended to be *the* starting point for new users; I don't think it makes much sense to have other general "getting started" type docs floating around. After the QSG is fully converted to 1.5 (about 75% done now) the contents of IBPhoenix' "Using Firebird" will also be phased into the project. Back in January I liked the look of your Firefly pages! Too bad they couldn't stay online. But let's suppose you can host them somewhere else, then we're working on at least three parallel Firebird doc systems: - The DocBook-based documentation within the Firebird project; - Lester's Wiki; - Your Firefly pages. I'm not saying this is bad, but will we have enough input for all three to be viable? Anyway, let's all keep in touch via this list and avoid too much overlap, especially when it comes to big docs that take a lot of time to write and maintain. BTW, since June we can produce not only HTML, but also decent-looking PDF from our DocBook sources. See http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php?op=devel&sub=doc for an overview of what we've got, including the QSG. Greetings, Paul Vinkenoog |
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From: Nigel W. <nw...@ex...> - 2004-08-12 22:46:04
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> Back in January I liked the look of your Firefly pages! Too bad they > couldn't stay online. But let's suppose you can host them somewhere > else, then we're working on at least three parallel Firebird doc > systems: > > - The DocBook-based documentation within the Firebird project; > - Lester's Wiki; > - Your Firefly pages. What if, and this is just an idea, FireFly was modified so that it could produce the DocBook-based documentation, AND be multi-user, web-based... It would take work, but I think it might go really well. > > I'm not saying this is bad, but will we have enough input for all > three to be viable? Anyway, let's all keep in touch via this list and > avoid too much overlap, especially when it comes to big docs that take > a lot of time to write and maintain. Too right!, but if we can combine two of these, we're really cooking! You'd like it if people would produce DocBook code, and people don't want to learn DocBook. So, a web-based system in the middle kind of makes sense... Opinions? Ideas? Nige. |
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From: A6-CMO P. M. <mak...@a6...> - 2004-08-13 06:25:57
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Le 13/08/2004 00:45, Nigel Weeks a écrit : > What if, and this is just an idea, FireFly was modified so that it coul= d > produce the DocBook-based documentation, AND be multi-user, web-based..= . >=20 Yes, the FireFly have to produce docbook, it's the better way --=20 Philippe Makowski Firebird serveur SQL open-source en fran=E7ais http://firebird-fr.eu.org Ma cl=E9 PGP : http://makowski.net/pgpkey.html |
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