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Re: [Firebird-docs] To the 'manual' module maintainers : bugs building the manual module

[Olivier M. <om...@ti...>]

Tilo M=FCtze wrote:

> You are correct, the current setup is somewhat outdated so there is no
> possibility to build it with a newer Java version. I am going to commit=
 the
> new setup on wednesday (sorry no Internet access earlier from my dev
> computer).

Is there *much* to be patched to get it to build with j2re1.4.2 ? Maybe=20
I could patch my local tree if you have a patch file for me ? I will=20
apply for developer access to firebird CVS but for now, I can only=20
checkout from the public CVS interface of sourceforge which is a backup=20
server 24 to 48 hours behind the real one. This means another one or two =

days delays after you'll make your checkins.

Thanks,

--=20
Olivier Mascia

Re: [Firebird-docs] To the 'manual' module maintainers : bugs building the manual module

[Tilo M. <tm...@al...>]

Hi all,
sorry for not responding that late, but as Paul assumed I were in a 1 month
holiday...

> In manual/src/build/build.bat, the line starting with :
>
> %JAVA_HOME%\bin\java.exe -Xmx100000000 -classpath ...

[snip]

You are correct, the current setup is somewhat outdated so there is no
possibility to build it with a newer Java version. I am going to commit the
new setup on wednesday (sorry no Internet access earlier from my dev
computer).

--
Regards,
Tilo Muetze
--
Marathon - The SQL Tool for Firebird & InterBase
http://gmarathon.sourceforge.net

Re: [Firebird-docs] To the 'manual' module maintainers : bugs building the manual module

[Olivier M. <om...@ti...>]

Paul Vinkenoog wrote:

> The build process was indeed broken. It has been fixed by Tilo Muetze,
> but hasn't been committed to CVS yet. I think Tilo is on holiday now,
> I'm sure he'll commit the fixes soon after he comes back.

Good news.

> In the meantime, the "good" news is that you aren't missing anything
> if you can't build the docs. They contain nothing that isn't already
> in the Borland IB6 beta doc set. So they won't help you with those API
> calls you're investigating, sorry!

I wasn't really expecting answers there to the other questions of mine 
you saw in the devel list, but these dev issues made me think about the 
current state of documentation since we were stuck by Borland (Inprise 
at that time) not playing fair game and holding up the manuals (just 
releasing code without user manuals). I wanted to see if anything about 
the API interface had already been rewritten. I guess not. That's a big 
work.

> I can still send you - or anyone - the fixed version by private email
> (note: 7 Mb) but as I said: nothing really new in there. But this is
> going to change in the next couple of months.

Well, I'd rather prefer to wait for the build process to get fixed in 
CVS and get the thing by building it up. Though, thank you very much for 
this email offer Paul.

-- 
Olivier Mascia

Re: [Firebird-docs] Which kind of docs?

[Paul V. <pa...@vi...>]

Hi Helen,

>> I don't really dig writing long documents in XML (or maybe I should
>> say: I don't know of a free or affordable editor that makes XML
>> writing a pleasure)

> http://www.cambridgedocs.com/

Thanks for the pointer, I've been playing with the Word2XML converter
a bit. It's very affordable, but unfortunately it only produces ppXML.
If you want DocBook, you have to use their xDoc converter which looks
very promising but is a tad on the expensive side at $ 2495...

Greetings,
Paul Vinkenoog

Re: [Firebird-docs] To the 'manual' module maintainers : bugs building the manual module

[Paul V. <pa...@vi...>]

Hi again Olivier, thanks for reposting here.

> (1)
> In manual/src/build/build.bat, the line starting with :
>
> 	%JAVA_HOME%\bin\java.exe -Xmx100000000 -classpath ...
>
> should be updated in :
>
> 	"%JAVA_HOME%\bin\java.exe" -Xmx100000000 -classpath ...
>
> so that if JRE is installed in a "\Program Files\..." the white
> space in the path does not trigger an error.

Thanks for the suggestion, we'll change that. It never bit me
personally because i have Java in D:\j2sdk1.4.1_02

> (2)
> Event with the above fixed, a 'manual' checkout as of today fails
> building as follows. Is this a true build error or some bad setup
> on my side (I don't think so) ?
> [ snip ]
> BUILD FAILED

The build process was indeed broken. It has been fixed by Tilo Muetze,
but hasn't been committed to CVS yet. I think Tilo is on holiday now,
I'm sure he'll commit the fixes soon after he comes back.

In the meantime, the "good" news is that you aren't missing anything
if you can't build the docs. They contain nothing that isn't already
in the Borland IB6 beta doc set. So they won't help you with those API
calls you're investigating, sorry!

I can still send you - or anyone - the fixed version by private email
(note: 7 Mb) but as I said: nothing really new in there. But this is
going to change in the next couple of months.


Greetings,
Paul Vinkenoog

[Firebird-docs] To the 'manual' module maintainers : bugs building the manual module

[Olivier M. <om...@ti...>]

Dear maintainers of the 'manual' module,

[This is a repost from firebird-devel list as suggested by Paul Vinkenoog.]

(1)
In manual/src/build/build.bat, the line starting with :

	%JAVA_HOME%\bin\java.exe -Xmx100000000 -classpath ...

should be updated in :

	"%JAVA_HOME%\bin\java.exe" -Xmx100000000 -classpath ...

so that if JRE is installed in a "\Program Files\..." the white space in
the path does not trigger an error.

(2)
Event with the above fixed, a 'manual' checkout as of today fails
building as follows. Is this a true build error or some bad setup on my
side (I don't think so) ?

-----------------------------------
C:\Dev\ibpp\firebird\manual\src\build>build defaulthtml
Searching for build.xml ...
Buildfile: C:\Dev\ibpp\firebird\manual\src\build\build.xml

init:

prepare:
     [mkdir] Created dir: C:\Dev\ibpp\firebird\manual\build\docs\api
     [mkdir] Created dir: C:\Dev\ibpp\firebird\manual\dist\docs\api
     [mkdir] Created dir: C:\Dev\ibpp\firebird\manual\dist\docs\defaulthtml
     [mkdir] Created dir:
C:\Dev\ibpp\firebird\manual\dist\docs\printablehtml

defaulthtml:
Building html documentation. Please wait ...
     [style] Transforming into
C:\Dev\ibpp\firebird\manual\dist\docs\defaulthtml

BUILD FAILED

C:\Dev\ibpp\firebird\manual\src\build\build.xml:69:
java.lang.NoSuchMethodError:
  org.apache.xalan.xslt.Process.getDefaultLiaison()Ljava/lang/String;
java.lang.NoSuchMethodError:
org.apache.xalan.xslt.Process.getDefaultLiaison()Lj
ava/lang/String;
         at
org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTEngineImpl.<init>(XSLTEngineImpl.java:367)
         at
org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTProcessorFactory.getProcessor(XSLTProcessor
Factory.java:79)
         at
org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.XalanLiaison.<init>(XalanLiais
on.java)
         at
sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method)

         at
sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Source)

         at
sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Unknown Sou
rce)
         at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Unknown Source)
         at java.lang.Class.newInstance0(Unknown Source)
         at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Unknown Source)
         at
org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.XSLTProcess.setProcessor(XSLTProcess.ja
va:210)
         at
org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.XSLTProcess.execute(XSLTProcess.java:13
3)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.Target.execute(Target.java:142)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.runTarget(Project.java:818)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeTarget(Project.java:532)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeTargets(Project.java:506)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.runBuild(Main.java:420)
         at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.main(Main.java:149)

Total time: 1 second
-------------------------------------

 > (3)
 > What better place would you like me to report such 'manual' related
 > issues in the future ?

Here. This was answered by Paul.

Thanks,
-- 
Olivier Mascia

Re: [Firebird-docs] Which kind of docs?

[Helen B. <he...@tp...>]

At 01:30 PM 22/07/2003 +0200, Paul Vinkenoog wrote:

>Myself, I don't really dig writing long documents in XML (or maybe I
>should say: I don't know of a free or affordable editor that makes XML
>writing a pleasure) but I agree it is the best choice because it's so
>versatile and you keep the structure very manageable - *and* you can
>finetune how the output is going to look like.

http://www.cambridgedocs.com/

cheers,
Helen

Re: [Firebird-docs] Which kind of docs?

[Paul V. <pa...@vi...>]

Hi Thad,

> The vast majority of my work with Firebird (90+%) has been with
> embedded SQL so that seems to be what I'm most qualified to write
> on.

Sounds logical.

> I'm a bit unsure of some of the transaction handling but I might
> be able to blunder thru it. And I'm sure my boss and family will
> forgive my inattention.

Hmm... I wonder what Dr. Phil would have to say about this ;-)

> What do you have as a formatting guide? Is this all to be in MS
> Word, Open Office Writer, or some sort of XML tagging? I would think
> the simpler the better till we're ready to go "final".

The idea is to write the docs in XML, using the DocBook DTD. This way
we can produce different output formats (HTML, PDF, RTF, PS...) and
it's platform-independent - a good thing because Firebird runs on a
number of platforms.

If you read the webpage I mentioned a couple of days ago, and follow
some of the links, you'll find more about this, including some
guidelines written by David Jencks about tag choosing.

Myself, I don't really dig writing long documents in XML (or maybe I
should say: I don't know of a free or affordable editor that makes XML
writing a pleasure) but I agree it is the best choice because it's so
versatile and you keep the structure very manageable - *and* you can
finetune how the output is going to look like.

If you really really hate XML or it takes you too much time I suppose
you could choose another format - after all, an Embedded SQL Guide in
Word or HTML is better than no Embedded SQL Guide at all.

Greetings,
Paul Vinkenoog

Re: [Firebird-docs] Which kind of docs?

[Thad H. <th...@mi...>]

Paul,

The vast majority of my work with Firebird (90+%) has been with embedded =
SQL=20
so that seems to be what I'm most qualified to write on.  I'm a bit unsur=
e of=20
some of the transaction handling but I might be able to blunder thru it. =
 And=20
I'm sure my boss and family will forgive my inattention. =20

What do you have as a formatting guide?  Is this all to be in MS Word, Op=
en=20
Office Writer, or some sort of XML tagging?  I would think the simpler th=
e=20
better till we're ready to go "final".

--Thad Humphries

On Saturday 19 July 2003 14:32, Paul Vinkenoog wrote:
> Hello again,
>=20
> Which kind of docs should we produce? Well, there doesn't have to be
> consensus on that: everybody who is willing to spend unpaid time
> writing docs, can - in principle at least - work on the document that
> he/she finds important. Of course it would be nice to know from each
> other what we are doing, especially when it comes to large documents
> -- or else we might wind up with six Embedded SQL Guides.
>=20
> Personally, I find it most important to produce a comprehensive core
> documentation set, more or less like the PDF books that Borland ships
> with InterBase. Such a set could (should?) contain:
>=20
> - a DDL guide
> - a DML guide
> - an SQL reference
> - an API guide
> - a Programmer's Guide
> - ...
> - ...
> ...

[Firebird-docs] Which kind of docs?

[Paul V. <pa...@vi...>]

Hello again,

Which kind of docs should we produce? Well, there doesn't have to be
consensus on that: everybody who is willing to spend unpaid time
writing docs, can - in principle at least - work on the document that
he/she finds important. Of course it would be nice to know from each
other what we are doing, especially when it comes to large documents
-- or else we might wind up with six Embedded SQL Guides.

Personally, I find it most important to produce a comprehensive core
documentation set, more or less like the PDF books that Borland ships
with InterBase. Such a set could (should?) contain:

- a DDL guide
- a DML guide
- an SQL reference
- an API guide
- a Programmer's Guide
- ...
- ...

For now, the free Borland IB6 beta docs are still very usable with
Firebird, provided you also have the Release Notes etc. that come with
the consecutive Firebird versions. But InterBase and Firebird _will_
diverge more and more, so in a couple of years' time this is really
going to be a problem.

Since I've been playing around with the API lately I would like to
start with an API Guide myself. But I realize that this is not the
most urgently needed guide, so I might be persuaded into writing
something else instead.


Important
=========
The Borland InterBase 6 Beta Docs are free in the sense that you don't
have to pay for them - but they *are* copyrighted. This implies that
it's perfectly OK to use all kinds of _INFORMATION_ we find in those
docs, but it's illegal to copy _TEXT_ (even portions) from them.
We'd better keep that in mind whilst writing our docs, or else!


I hope to hear more ideas from you all.

Greetings,
Paul Vinkenoog

[Firebird-docs] Building new Firebird docs

[Paul V. <pa...@vi...>]

Hi all,

A number of people have expressed interest in helping with the docs
lately, so this might be a good time to discuss what kind of
documentation we would like to produce, and how we are going to set
things up.

But first, if you are new to the Firebird Documentation subproject,
read this webpage if you haven't already done so; it contains a lot
of information about the tools you are going to need:

  http://
  firebird.sourceforge.net/index.php?op=devel&sub=doc&id=development

Also follow the links in the section titled "Environment setup".

NOTE: Do not yet checkout ("download") the manual module from the
Firebird CVS tree at SourceForge. In the current state the doc
building process doesn't work. Tilo fixed it, but it seems the
changes didn't make it to the CVS tree yet.

(Well you can still checkout the module of course, to test your
CVS setup :-))

TIP: For XML editing, I prefer XMLMind because it really lets you
work with the *structure* of your document. Being Java-based, it
loads slowly and it also has one big drawback: it won't let you work
in source (flat text) mode. Still, I prefer it to the others I've
tested. The Standard Edition is free; you can find it at:

  http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/


Later,
Paul Vinkenoog

Re: [Firebird-docs] Problems compiling docs

[Gabriel C. O. <ga...@sy...>]

Hello Paul,

Yes, you can send me all the files. I have a 160MB limit for my mail box
(ga...@sy...) because it is hosted at my company's mail
server. Visit our web site www.systemhaus.com.br (there's a portuguese and
an english version as well).

Thank you.
Gabriel C. Oliveira

"Paul Vinkenoog" <pa...@vi...> escreveu na mensagem
news:Pin...@so......
> Hello Gabriel,
>
> > I might be interested to collaborate with the documentation
> > project. But I have the same problem to compile the existing
> > docs. Since I'm not an experienced Java developer and don't know
> > DocBook either, I'm stuck.
>
> Tilo has fixed this problem a while ago, but I don't think he's
> committed the fix to CVS yet. If you want to I can send you the
> updated manual tree. It's around 7 Mb zipped, can your mailbox handle
> that? If not, I'll have to look which files have actually changed and
> send you those.
>
>
> Greetings,
> Paul Vinkenoog
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Firebird-docs] Problems compiling docs

[Gabriel C. O. <ga...@sy...>]

Hello Paul,

Yes, you can send me all the files. I have a 160MB limit for my mail box
(ga...@sy...) because it is hosted at my company's mail
server. Visit our web site www.systemhaus.com.br (there's a portuguese and
an english version as well).

Thank you.
Gabriel C. Oliveira

"Paul Vinkenoog" <pa...@vi...> escreveu na mensagem
news:Pin...@so......
> Hello Gabriel,
>
> > I might be interested to collaborate with the documentation
> > project. But I have the same problem to compile the existing
> > docs. Since I'm not an experienced Java developer and don't know
> > DocBook either, I'm stuck.
>
> Tilo has fixed this problem a while ago, but I don't think he's
> committed the fix to CVS yet. If you want to I can send you the
> updated manual tree. It's around 7 Mb zipped, can your mailbox handle
> that? If not, I'll have to look which files have actually changed and
> send you those.
>
>
> Greetings,
> Paul Vinkenoog
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Firebird-docs] Problems compiling docs

[Paul V. <pa...@vi...>]

Hello Gabriel,

> I might be interested to collaborate with the documentation
> project. But I have the same problem to compile the existing
> docs. Since I'm not an experienced Java developer and don't know
> DocBook either, I'm stuck.

Tilo has fixed this problem a while ago, but I don't think he's
committed the fix to CVS yet. If you want to I can send you the
updated manual tree. It's around 7 Mb zipped, can your mailbox handle
that? If not, I'll have to look which files have actually changed and
send you those.


Greetings,
Paul Vinkenoog

Re: [Firebird-docs] Re: Problems compiling docs

[Gabriel C. O. <ga...@sy...>]

Hi

I might be interested to collaborate with the documentation project. But I
have the same problem to compile the existing docs. Since I'm not an
experienced Java developer and don't know DocBook either, I'm stuck.

Can you help?

Thanks in advance.

Gabriel C. Oliveira
Brazil

""Tilo Mütze"" <tm...@al...> escreveu na mensagem
news:b3pntc$hoo$1...@ne......
> Hi all,
>
> > I have a look at the current setup in combination with the latest Java
> > SDK and Docbook on the weekend.
>
> So, I'm finished with updating the stuff to the latest libraries and
tools.
> Anyone who is interested please drop me an email.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Tilo Muetze
> --
> Marathon - The SQL Tool for Firebird & InterBase
> http://gmarathon.sourceforge.net
>
>
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Re: [Firebird-docs] Firebird Question

[Helen B. <he...@tp...>]

Darin,
You are asking in the wrong place.  This forum is for Firebird project 
documentation workers.

Please use the firebird-support list for support questions.
http://www.yahoogroups.com/community/firebird-support

Helen
(List admin)

At 08:40 AM 8/07/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am currently looking at Firebird versus MS SQL.  I am wondering is there a
>GUI front end manager like MS SQL?  Is the Firebird Data Dump similar to MS
>SQL DTS?  Is it as flexible?  My company is based on MS technology and right
>now our internal system looks like it will be based on Firebird (third party
>software).  However, business internal software being developed is based on
>MS (VS 6 and now .Net).  I understand that there is a .Net odbc driver
>however I am wanting to know how easy is Firebird to manage and use verus MS
>SQL?
>
>Thanks
>
>
>
>
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[Firebird-docs] Firebird Question

[Darin <no...@ho...>]

Hi,

I am currently looking at Firebird versus MS SQL.  I am wondering is there a
GUI front end manager like MS SQL?  Is the Firebird Data Dump similar to MS
SQL DTS?  Is it as flexible?  My company is based on MS technology and right
now our internal system looks like it will be based on Firebird (third party
software).  However, business internal software being developed is based on
MS (VS 6 and now .Net).  I understand that there is a .Net odbc driver
however I am wanting to know how easy is Firebird to manage and use verus MS
SQL?

Thanks

Re: [Firebird-docs] Assistance

[Paul V. <pa...@vi...>]

Hello Tope,

> Dear Tilo Muetze and Paul Vinkenoog,
>
> Can i be of any assistance on the Firebird Documentation?

Yes, please! There is a lot of work to do, so every helping hand is
welcome. But do you mind if I (or: we) contact you in a couple of
days? You see, I've just mailed Tilo and Karl about how we should
continue our work. I'd like to wait for their reactions, so we can
give you a better picture of the situation, and of what has to be done
in the near future.

(Not that you have to do what WE tell you, of course! Any ideas of
your own are more than welcome.)


Greetings,
Paul Vinkenoog

[Firebird-docs] Question regarding Firebird

[Darin <no...@ho...>]

Hi,

I am currently looking at Firebird versus MS SQL.  I am wondering is there a
GUI front end manager like MS SQL?  Is the Firebird Data Dump similar to MS
SQL DTS?  Is it as flexible?  My company is based on MS technology and right
now our internal system looks like it will be based on Firebird (third party
software).  However, business internal software being developed is based on
MS (VS 6 and now .Net).  I understand that there is a .Net odbc driver
however I am wanting to know how easy is Firebird to manage and use verus MS
SQL?

Thanks

[Firebird-docs] Assistance

[<top...@ya...>]

Dear Tilo Muetze and Paul Vinkenoog,
 
Can i be of any assistance on the Firebird Documentation?
 
Best regards,
Tope Akinniyi.


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Re: [Firebird-docs] firebird design docs

[Helen B. <he...@tp...>]

Pavel,
Go to www.ibhphoenix.com and start browsing!  Or you might prefer to start 
at www.ibphoenix.cz

Helen

At 09:49 PM 19/06/2003 +0200, Pavel Parizek wrote:
>Hello everybody,
>
>is there some paper describing internals of Firebird available? Something 
>like an overall UML diagram and/or a paper on the topic. I haven't found 
>anything like that on firebird's documentation page.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
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[Firebird-docs] firebird design docs

[Pavel P. <pa...@pa...>]

Hello everybody,

is there some paper describing internals of Firebird available? 
Something like an overall UML diagram and/or a paper on the topic. I 
haven't found anything like that on firebird's documentation page.

Thanks in advance

	Pavel

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RE: [Firebird-docs] LockRequireSpins ??????

[Dmitry Y. <di...@us...>]

Helen,

> OK, Dmitry, will you please let me know the default value (I
> doubt that it is 0)

It's really 0 ;-) AFAIU, it means unconditional mode, i.e. infinite waiting
for a success.

> and also, if known, the maximum and minimum values allowed.

No limits. The lock manager tries to acquire a mutex given number of times.
Negative values shouldn't be allowed, but in fact they're (being converted
to unsigned integer).


Dmitry

RE: [Firebird-docs] LockRequireSpins ??????

[Helen B. <he...@tp...>]

At 11:18 AM 19/06/2003 +0400, Dmitry Yemanov wrote:
>Helen,
>
> > Would someone please confirm or deny that the parameter
> > lock_acquire_spins
> > has changed its name to LockREQUIRESpins????
> >
> > According to firebird.conf, it has...if so, why?
>
>I've just answered in fb-devel. It's just a misspelling and will be fixed
>ASAP.

Thanks.

> > #
> > # Type: boolean
> > <-----------------------------------------------------------------
> > #
> > #LockRequireSpins = 0
> >
> > "This does not compute"
>
>Yes, it should be integer instead. Will be fixed as well.

OK, Dmitry, will you please let me know the default value (I doubt that it 
is 0) and also, if known, the maximum and minimum values allowed.

Thank-ee.
Scribe.

RE: [Firebird-docs] Old config parameters

[Dmitry Y. <di...@us...>]

Helen,

> A couple of the Windows parameters in the old ibconfig file
> don't have equivalents in firebird.conf.
>
> server_working_size_max
> Versions prior to Firebird 1.5
> Threshold above which the OS is requested to swap out all
> memory. Relevant on Windows NT/2000/XP only. Default is
> system-determined.
>
> server_working_size_min
> Versions prior to Firebird 1.5
> Threshold below which the OS is requested not to swap out
> memory. Relevant on Windows NT/2000/XP only. Default is
> system-determined.
>
> Will these still work if used in firebird.conf?

In fact, they didn't work even in FB1 ;-)

They exist in both the IB/FB1 documentation and the config manager, but
actually they are never used in the code, so I removed them from the FB2
codebase.

> As a general statement, if someone includes any parameter
> using its old name, will it be recognised?  If yes, would it
> work the way it did before or would it work the way the
> renamed parameter works?

No, it won't be recognized.


Dmitry