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From: Don S. <do...@se...> - 2004-07-29 13:21:06
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See replies inline. On 19:11 Wed 28 Jul , Brad Schwie wrote: > I don't know a lot about the phpWS project, but I find > myself asking the question "What's the point of moving > to phpWS versus just sticking with the current setup?" Because then phpWS handles all the crap about theming and design and we just need to worry about pushing the data around. phpWS also handles the user authentication. > Also, is it PHP Content Management System or > phpWebSite Community Development Project? The latter is a project set up by Mike to foster development among newbies. We won't need that. > In my limited and brief understanding of phpWS, it > will make it easier for each league that uses FFL to > customize the look of their site... Yes with phpWS theming they can make it look virtually however they want, moving boxes all over. > But still, why is > phpWS better than something like PHPNuke? phpWS was once based upon PHPNuke, but PHPNuke/PostNuke are pieces of crap and phpWS 0.9.x was totally re-written from scratch and is super. > I'll consider helping out with it, but I'd like to > know more about it first... Hang out in #phpwebsite with the rest of us. --=20 Don Seiler do...@se... Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xFC87F041 Fingerprint: 0B56 50D5 E91E 4D4C 83B7 207C 76AC 5DA2 FC87 F041 |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-07-29 04:41:17
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On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 21:19, Korwin Smith wrote:
> In the spirit of giving everything a look, I would check out Mambo
> Server. I have used it in the past and I really liked it.
Korwin,
Don and I are phpWebSite project members. However, CMS comparisons are
available at:
http://cmsmatrix.org/
http://www.opensourcecms.com/
http://www.cmsinfo.org/
phpWebSite Members
https://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=15539
--
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs
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From: Korwin S. <sm...@ac...> - 2004-07-29 04:19:33
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In the spirit of giving everything a look, I would check out Mambo Server. I have used it in the past and I really liked it. http://www.mamboserver.com Brad Schwie wrote: > Don, > > I don't know a lot about the phpWS project, but I find > myself asking the question "What's the point of moving > to phpWS versus just sticking with the current setup?" > Also, is it PHP Content Management System or > phpWebSite Community Development Project? > > In my limited and brief understanding of phpWS, it > will make it easier for each league that uses FFL to > customize the look of their site... But still, why is > phpWS better than something like PHPNuke? > > I'll consider helping out with it, but I'd like to > know more about it first... > > Brad > > > --- Don Seiler <do...@se...> wrote: > >>Brad, >> >>I don't have time to test, I'll assume it works and >>build a new release. >>You'll have to be the support man on it. >> >>Also I'm going to start stubbing out some files for >>the phpWS module >>port. I'm hoping you'll be interested in taking on >>some of the work >>there and we could have a port done pretty quickly >>with no loss of >>features. >> >>Let me know what you think. >> >>Don. >> >>On 18:59 Tue 27 Jul , Brad Schwie wrote: >> >>>Team, >>> >>>I created a unified diff file based on the >>>instructions that Mike sent to me (thanks Mike!). >>>This unified diff file contains code for changes >> >>that >> >>>need to be made to all the files. If this single >>>unified diff file needs to be broken up in to >> >>several >> >>>diff files, let me know. As I understand it, if >>>someone is running the Unix "patch" application, >> >>this >> >>>single diff file might be easier to work with. Of >>>course, if someone is doing this manually, several >>>files zipped together might make it easier. >>> >>>Boy, here comes my brashness again, but now that >> >>we >> >>>have a patch for existing users, are we able to >>>release? >>> >>>I'm new to this team development thing. Thanks >> >>for >> >>>taking the time to teach me the ropes. :) >>> >>>Brad >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>--- Brad Schwie <sc...@ya...> wrote: >>> >>>>Don, >>>> >>>>When you say upgrade, I think of 2 scenarios >> >>(these >> >>>>2 >>>>scenarios should encompass other possibilities >> >>as >> >>>>well). >>>> >>>>1. People who have modified the PHP code and >> >>mySQL >> >>>>database structure of 0.7.2. >>>> >>>>2. People who have not modified the PHP code or >>>>mySQL >>>>database structure. >>>> >>>>For scenario 1, if the user does not wish to >> >>lose >> >>>>their custom php code, the only upgrade path is >> >>for >> >>>>them to observe the lines of php code in 0.7.3 >> >>and >> >>>>add >>>>it to their own code. As far as their mySQL >>>>database >>>>goes... The update to 0.7.3 involves adding a >>>>single >>>>column to the FFLTeam table. Answer: Yes, >> >>existing >> >>>>users can upgrade. >>>> >>>>For scenario 2... Similar to scenario 1, users >> >>will >> >>>>only need to add a column to their existing >> >>mySQL >> >>>>database structure for the FFLTeams table. The >> >>PHP >> >>>>pages from 0.7.2 would then be swapped with the >>>>pages >>>>for 0.7.3... Answer: Yes, existing users can >>>>upgrade. >>>> >>>>If you'd like, I can summarize everything above >> >>in >> >>>>to >>>>the README file. >>>> >>>>Brad >>>> >>>> >>>>--- Don Seiler <do...@se...> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Is there an upgrade path for existing users? >>>>> >>>>>Don. >>>>> >>>>>On 11:57 Wed 21 Jul , Brad Schwie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>FFL Developers, >>>>>> >>>>>>Over the last several weeks, I have been >> >>working >> >>>>>with >>>>> >>>>>>Mike and Don to update some of the legacy >> >>code >> >>>>for >>>> >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>>>FFL module. I have updated the code to >> >>include >> >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>>>following: >>>>>> >>>>>>- Fixed a cache overflow issue with IE 6. >>>>>>- Fixed sessions/cookie issue with Safari. >>>>>>- Set the login cookie to last for 100 days >>>> >>>>(maybe >>>> >>>>>we >>>>> >>>>>>should lower this for people logging in at >>>> >>>>public >>>> >>>>>>terminals and forgetting to log off -- in >> >>any >> >>>>>event, >>>>> >>>>>>100 days about covers the season). >>>>>>- Added ability for FFL owners to submit >> >>their >> >>>>own >>>> >>>>>>starting lineup. >>>>>>- Added ability for FFL Administrator to >> >>submit >> >>>>>>starting lineup for any team in league. >>>>>>- Beginning to add support for making FFL >> >>teams >> >>>>>>"active" or "inactive" (for teams that have >>>>> >>>>>dropped >>>>> >>>>>>out of the league). >>>>>>- Various page display issues, including the >>>>> >>>>>removal >>>>> >>>>>>of FFL City display from most pages (will >>>> >>>>continue >>>> >>>>>to >>>>> >>>>>>tidy this up). >>>>>>- Added a page to display all starters of >> >>all >> >>>>FFL >>>> >>>>>>teams. >>>>>> >>>>>>I think these updates warrant a new release >>>>> >>>>>(0.7.3). >>>>> >>>>>>Please review the code on the CVS server, >> >>and >> >>>>let >>>> >>>>>me >>>>> >>>>>>know if you see any issues before we make a >>>>> >>>>>release. >>>>> >>>>>>I'd like to get something released soon, as >> >>the >> >>>>>season >>>>> >>>>>>is fast approaching! >>>>>> >>>>>>Brad >>>>>> >>>>>>===== >>>>>>"DOS Computers manufactured by companies >> >>such as >> >>>>>IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are >> >>by >> >>>>>far the most popular, with about 70 million >>>> >>>>machines >>>> >>>>>in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the >> >>other >> >>>>>hand, may note that cockroaches are far more >>>>>numerous than humans, and that numbers alone >> >>do >> >>>>not >>>> >>>>>denote a higher life form." >>>>> >>>>>>-- New York Times, November 26, 1991 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>__________________________________ >>>>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>>>>Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad >> >>campaign! >> > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > >>>>>> >>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA >> >>Weblogic >> >>>>>Workshop >>>>> >>>>>>FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! >>>>>>Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop >> >>8.1 >> >>>>>today. >>>>> > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click > >>_______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>ffl-developers mailing list >>>>>>ffl...@li... >>>>>> >>>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffl-developers > >>>>>-- >>>>>Normal >>>>> >>>> >>>>>ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>__________________________________ >>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>>Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! >>>> >>> > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! >>>http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >>> >>> >>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------- > >>>This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic >> >>Workshop >> >>>FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! >>>Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 >> >>today. >> > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click > >>>_______________________________________________ >>>ffl-developers mailing list >>>ffl...@li... >>> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffl-developers > >>-- >>Don Seiler >>do...@se... >> >>Public Key: >> > > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFC87F041 > >>Fingerprint: 0B56 50D5 E91E 4D4C 83B7 207C 76AC >>5DA2 FC87 F041 >> > > >>ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop > FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click > _______________________________________________ > ffl-developers mailing list > ffl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffl-developers > |
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From: Brad S. <sc...@ya...> - 2004-07-29 02:11:31
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Don, I don't know a lot about the phpWS project, but I find myself asking the question "What's the point of moving to phpWS versus just sticking with the current setup?" Also, is it PHP Content Management System or phpWebSite Community Development Project? In my limited and brief understanding of phpWS, it will make it easier for each league that uses FFL to customize the look of their site... But still, why is phpWS better than something like PHPNuke? I'll consider helping out with it, but I'd like to know more about it first... Brad --- Don Seiler <do...@se...> wrote: > Brad, > > I don't have time to test, I'll assume it works and > build a new release. > You'll have to be the support man on it. > > Also I'm going to start stubbing out some files for > the phpWS module > port. I'm hoping you'll be interested in taking on > some of the work > there and we could have a port done pretty quickly > with no loss of > features. > > Let me know what you think. > > Don. > > On 18:59 Tue 27 Jul , Brad Schwie wrote: > > > > Team, > > > > I created a unified diff file based on the > > instructions that Mike sent to me (thanks Mike!). > > This unified diff file contains code for changes > that > > need to be made to all the files. If this single > > unified diff file needs to be broken up in to > several > > diff files, let me know. As I understand it, if > > someone is running the Unix "patch" application, > this > > single diff file might be easier to work with. Of > > course, if someone is doing this manually, several > > files zipped together might make it easier. > > > > Boy, here comes my brashness again, but now that > we > > have a patch for existing users, are we able to > > release? > > > > I'm new to this team development thing. Thanks > for > > taking the time to teach me the ropes. :) > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Brad Schwie <sc...@ya...> wrote: > > > > > > Don, > > > > > > When you say upgrade, I think of 2 scenarios > (these > > > 2 > > > scenarios should encompass other possibilities > as > > > well). > > > > > > 1. People who have modified the PHP code and > mySQL > > > database structure of 0.7.2. > > > > > > 2. People who have not modified the PHP code or > > > mySQL > > > database structure. > > > > > > For scenario 1, if the user does not wish to > lose > > > their custom php code, the only upgrade path is > for > > > them to observe the lines of php code in 0.7.3 > and > > > add > > > it to their own code. As far as their mySQL > > > database > > > goes... The update to 0.7.3 involves adding a > > > single > > > column to the FFLTeam table. Answer: Yes, > existing > > > users can upgrade. > > > > > > For scenario 2... Similar to scenario 1, users > will > > > only need to add a column to their existing > mySQL > > > database structure for the FFLTeams table. The > PHP > > > pages from 0.7.2 would then be swapped with the > > > pages > > > for 0.7.3... Answer: Yes, existing users can > > > upgrade. > > > > > > If you'd like, I can summarize everything above > in > > > to > > > the README file. > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > --- Don Seiler <do...@se...> wrote: > > > > Is there an upgrade path for existing users? > > > > > > > > Don. > > > > > > > > On 11:57 Wed 21 Jul , Brad Schwie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > FFL Developers, > > > > > > > > > > Over the last several weeks, I have been > working > > > > with > > > > > Mike and Don to update some of the legacy > code > > > for > > > > the > > > > > FFL module. I have updated the code to > include > > > > the > > > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > - Fixed a cache overflow issue with IE 6. > > > > > - Fixed sessions/cookie issue with Safari. > > > > > - Set the login cookie to last for 100 days > > > (maybe > > > > we > > > > > should lower this for people logging in at > > > public > > > > > terminals and forgetting to log off -- in > any > > > > event, > > > > > 100 days about covers the season). > > > > > - Added ability for FFL owners to submit > their > > > own > > > > > starting lineup. > > > > > - Added ability for FFL Administrator to > submit > > > > > starting lineup for any team in league. > > > > > - Beginning to add support for making FFL > teams > > > > > "active" or "inactive" (for teams that have > > > > dropped > > > > > out of the league). > > > > > - Various page display issues, including the > > > > removal > > > > > of FFL City display from most pages (will > > > continue > > > > to > > > > > tidy this up). > > > > > - Added a page to display all starters of > all > > > FFL > > > > > teams. > > > > > > > > > > I think these updates warrant a new release > > > > (0.7.3). > > > > > Please review the code on the CVS server, > and > > > let > > > > me > > > > > know if you see any issues before we make a > > > > release. > > > > > I'd like to get something released soon, as > the > > > > season > > > > > is fast approaching! > > > > > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > "DOS Computers manufactured by companies > such as > > > > IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are > by > > > > far the most popular, with about 70 million > > > machines > > > > in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the > other > > > > hand, may note that cockroaches are far more > > > > numerous than humans, and that numbers alone > do > > > not > > > > denote a higher life form." > > > > > > > > > > -- New York Times, November 26, 1991 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad > campaign! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA > Weblogic > > > > Workshop > > > > > FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > > > > > Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop > 8.1 > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ffl-developers mailing list > > > > > ffl...@li... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffl-developers > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Normal > > > > > > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > > > > > > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic > Workshop > > FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > > Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 > today. > > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > ffl-developers mailing list > > ffl...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffl-developers > > -- > Don Seiler > do...@se... > > Public Key: > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFC87F041 > Fingerprint: 0B56 50D5 E91E 4D4C 83B7 207C 76AC > 5DA2 FC87 F041 > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
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From: Don S. <do...@se...> - 2004-07-28 19:07:04
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Brad, I don't have time to test, I'll assume it works and build a new release. You'll have to be the support man on it. Also I'm going to start stubbing out some files for the phpWS module port. I'm hoping you'll be interested in taking on some of the work there and we could have a port done pretty quickly with no loss of features. Let me know what you think. Don. On 18:59 Tue 27 Jul , Brad Schwie wrote: >=20 > Team, >=20 > I created a unified diff file based on the > instructions that Mike sent to me (thanks Mike!).=20 > This unified diff file contains code for changes that > need to be made to all the files. If this single > unified diff file needs to be broken up in to several > diff files, let me know. As I understand it, if > someone is running the Unix "patch" application, this > single diff file might be easier to work with. Of > course, if someone is doing this manually, several > files zipped together might make it easier. >=20 > Boy, here comes my brashness again, but now that we > have a patch for existing users, are we able to > release? >=20 > I'm new to this team development thing. Thanks for > taking the time to teach me the ropes. :) >=20 > Brad >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Brad Schwie <sc...@ya...> wrote: > >=20 > > Don, > >=20 > > When you say upgrade, I think of 2 scenarios (these > > 2 > > scenarios should encompass other possibilities as > > well). > >=20 > > 1. People who have modified the PHP code and mySQL > > database structure of 0.7.2. > >=20 > > 2. People who have not modified the PHP code or > > mySQL > > database structure. > >=20 > > For scenario 1, if the user does not wish to lose > > their custom php code, the only upgrade path is for > > them to observe the lines of php code in 0.7.3 and > > add > > it to their own code. As far as their mySQL > > database > > goes... The update to 0.7.3 involves adding a > > single > > column to the FFLTeam table. Answer: Yes, existing > > users can upgrade. > >=20 > > For scenario 2... Similar to scenario 1, users will > > only need to add a column to their existing mySQL > > database structure for the FFLTeams table. The PHP > > pages from 0.7.2 would then be swapped with the > > pages > > for 0.7.3... Answer: Yes, existing users can > > upgrade. > >=20 > > If you'd like, I can summarize everything above in > > to > > the README file. > >=20 > > Brad > >=20 > >=20 > > --- Don Seiler <do...@se...> wrote: > > > Is there an upgrade path for existing users? > > >=20 > > > Don. > > >=20 > > > On 11:57 Wed 21 Jul , Brad Schwie wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > FFL Developers, > > > >=20 > > > > Over the last several weeks, I have been working > > > with > > > > Mike and Don to update some of the legacy code > > for > > > the > > > > FFL module. I have updated the code to include > > > the > > > > following: > > > >=20 > > > > - Fixed a cache overflow issue with IE 6. > > > > - Fixed sessions/cookie issue with Safari. > > > > - Set the login cookie to last for 100 days > > (maybe > > > we > > > > should lower this for people logging in at > > public > > > > terminals and forgetting to log off -- in any > > > event, > > > > 100 days about covers the season). > > > > - Added ability for FFL owners to submit their > > own > > > > starting lineup. > > > > - Added ability for FFL Administrator to submit > > > > starting lineup for any team in league. > > > > - Beginning to add support for making FFL teams > > > > "active" or "inactive" (for teams that have > > > dropped > > > > out of the league). > > > > - Various page display issues, including the > > > removal > > > > of FFL City display from most pages (will > > continue > > > to > > > > tidy this up). > > > > - Added a page to display all starters of all > > FFL > > > > teams. > > > >=20 > > > > I think these updates warrant a new release > > > (0.7.3).=20 > > > > Please review the code on the CVS server, and > > let > > > me > > > > know if you see any issues before we make a > > > release.=20 > > > > I'd like to get something released soon, as the > > > season > > > > is fast approaching! > > > >=20 > > > > Brad > > > >=20 > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > "DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as > > > IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by > > > far the most popular, with about 70 million > > machines > > > in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other > > > hand, may note that cockroaches are far more > > > numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do > > not > > > denote a higher life form."=20 > > > >=20 > > > > -- New York Times, November 26, 1991 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > =09 > > > > =09 > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > > > > > > > > > > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic > > > Workshop > > > > FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > > > > Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D4721&alloc_id=3D10040&op=3Dclick > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ffl-developers mailing list > > > > ffl...@li... > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffl-developers > > >=20 > > > --=20 > > > Normal > > >=20 > >=20 > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =09 > > =09 > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > > > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > >=20 >=20 >=20 > =09 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop > FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D4721&alloc_id=3D10040&op=3Dclick > _______________________________________________ > ffl-developers mailing list > ffl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffl-developers --=20 Don Seiler do...@se... Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xFC87F041 Fingerprint: 0B56 50D5 E91E 4D4C 83B7 207C 76AC 5DA2 FC87 F041 |
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From: Brad S. <sc...@ya...> - 2004-07-28 02:00:06
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Team, I created a unified diff file based on the instructions that Mike sent to me (thanks Mike!). This unified diff file contains code for changes that need to be made to all the files. If this single unified diff file needs to be broken up in to several diff files, let me know. As I understand it, if someone is running the Unix "patch" application, this single diff file might be easier to work with. Of course, if someone is doing this manually, several files zipped together might make it easier. Boy, here comes my brashness again, but now that we have a patch for existing users, are we able to release? I'm new to this team development thing. Thanks for taking the time to teach me the ropes. :) Brad --- Brad Schwie <sc...@ya...> wrote: > > Don, > > When you say upgrade, I think of 2 scenarios (these > 2 > scenarios should encompass other possibilities as > well). > > 1. People who have modified the PHP code and mySQL > database structure of 0.7.2. > > 2. People who have not modified the PHP code or > mySQL > database structure. > > For scenario 1, if the user does not wish to lose > their custom php code, the only upgrade path is for > them to observe the lines of php code in 0.7.3 and > add > it to their own code. As far as their mySQL > database > goes... The update to 0.7.3 involves adding a > single > column to the FFLTeam table. Answer: Yes, existing > users can upgrade. > > For scenario 2... Similar to scenario 1, users will > only need to add a column to their existing mySQL > database structure for the FFLTeams table. The PHP > pages from 0.7.2 would then be swapped with the > pages > for 0.7.3... Answer: Yes, existing users can > upgrade. > > If you'd like, I can summarize everything above in > to > the README file. > > Brad > > > --- Don Seiler <do...@se...> wrote: > > Is there an upgrade path for existing users? > > > > Don. > > > > On 11:57 Wed 21 Jul , Brad Schwie wrote: > > > > > > FFL Developers, > > > > > > Over the last several weeks, I have been working > > with > > > Mike and Don to update some of the legacy code > for > > the > > > FFL module. I have updated the code to include > > the > > > following: > > > > > > - Fixed a cache overflow issue with IE 6. > > > - Fixed sessions/cookie issue with Safari. > > > - Set the login cookie to last for 100 days > (maybe > > we > > > should lower this for people logging in at > public > > > terminals and forgetting to log off -- in any > > event, > > > 100 days about covers the season). > > > - Added ability for FFL owners to submit their > own > > > starting lineup. > > > - Added ability for FFL Administrator to submit > > > starting lineup for any team in league. > > > - Beginning to add support for making FFL teams > > > "active" or "inactive" (for teams that have > > dropped > > > out of the league). > > > - Various page display issues, including the > > removal > > > of FFL City display from most pages (will > continue > > to > > > tidy this up). > > > - Added a page to display all starters of all > FFL > > > teams. > > > > > > I think these updates warrant a new release > > (0.7.3). > > > Please review the code on the CVS server, and > let > > me > > > know if you see any issues before we make a > > release. > > > I'd like to get something released soon, as the > > season > > > is fast approaching! > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > ===== > > > "DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as > > IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by > > far the most popular, with about 70 million > machines > > in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other > > hand, may note that cockroaches are far more > > numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do > not > > denote a higher life form." > > > > > > -- New York Times, November 26, 1991 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > > > > > > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic > > Workshop > > > FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > > > Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 > > today. > > > > > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ffl-developers mailing list > > > ffl...@li... > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffl-developers > > > > -- > > Normal > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-07-23 16:30:41
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On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 13:12, Mike Noyes wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 12:55, Brad Schwie wrote:
> > For scenario 1, if the user does not wish to lose
> > their custom php code, the only upgrade path is for
> > them to observe the lines of php code in 0.7.3 and add
> > it to their own code.
>
> Brad,
> Can you generate a patch from cvs for these users?
Brad,
I think I may need to clarify my suggestion. A patch for users with
modified code, and a release for everyone else.
How to Prepare a Patch
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/howto/howto-patch.html
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-07-21 20:07:03
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On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 12:55, Brad Schwie wrote: > For scenario 1, if the user does not wish to lose > their custom php code, the only upgrade path is for > them to observe the lines of php code in 0.7.3 and add > it to their own code. As far as their mySQL database > goes... The update to 0.7.3 involves adding a single > column to the FFLTeam table. Answer: Yes, existing > users can upgrade. Brad, Can you generate a patch from cvs for these users? -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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From: Brad S. <sc...@ya...> - 2004-07-21 19:55:11
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Don, When you say upgrade, I think of 2 scenarios (these 2 scenarios should encompass other possibilities as well). 1. People who have modified the PHP code and mySQL database structure of 0.7.2. 2. People who have not modified the PHP code or mySQL database structure. For scenario 1, if the user does not wish to lose their custom php code, the only upgrade path is for them to observe the lines of php code in 0.7.3 and add it to their own code. As far as their mySQL database goes... The update to 0.7.3 involves adding a single column to the FFLTeam table. Answer: Yes, existing users can upgrade. For scenario 2... Similar to scenario 1, users will only need to add a column to their existing mySQL database structure for the FFLTeams table. The PHP pages from 0.7.2 would then be swapped with the pages for 0.7.3... Answer: Yes, existing users can upgrade. If you'd like, I can summarize everything above in to the README file. Brad --- Don Seiler <do...@se...> wrote: > Is there an upgrade path for existing users? > > Don. > > On 11:57 Wed 21 Jul , Brad Schwie wrote: > > > > FFL Developers, > > > > Over the last several weeks, I have been working > with > > Mike and Don to update some of the legacy code for > the > > FFL module. I have updated the code to include > the > > following: > > > > - Fixed a cache overflow issue with IE 6. > > - Fixed sessions/cookie issue with Safari. > > - Set the login cookie to last for 100 days (maybe > we > > should lower this for people logging in at public > > terminals and forgetting to log off -- in any > event, > > 100 days about covers the season). > > - Added ability for FFL owners to submit their own > > starting lineup. > > - Added ability for FFL Administrator to submit > > starting lineup for any team in league. > > - Beginning to add support for making FFL teams > > "active" or "inactive" (for teams that have > dropped > > out of the league). > > - Various page display issues, including the > removal > > of FFL City display from most pages (will continue > to > > tidy this up). > > - Added a page to display all starters of all FFL > > teams. > > > > I think these updates warrant a new release > (0.7.3). > > Please review the code on the CVS server, and let > me > > know if you see any issues before we make a > release. > > I'd like to get something released soon, as the > season > > is fast approaching! > > > > Brad > > > > ===== > > "DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as > IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by > far the most popular, with about 70 million machines > in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other > hand, may note that cockroaches are far more > numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not > denote a higher life form." > > > > -- New York Times, November 26, 1991 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > > > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic > Workshop > > FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > > Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 > today. > > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > ffl-developers mailing list > > ffl...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffl-developers > > -- > Normal > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ |
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From: Don S. <do...@se...> - 2004-07-21 19:24:01
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Is there an upgrade path for existing users? Don. On 11:57 Wed 21 Jul , Brad Schwie wrote: >=20 > FFL Developers, >=20 > Over the last several weeks, I have been working with > Mike and Don to update some of the legacy code for the > FFL module. I have updated the code to include the > following: >=20 > - Fixed a cache overflow issue with IE 6. > - Fixed sessions/cookie issue with Safari. > - Set the login cookie to last for 100 days (maybe we > should lower this for people logging in at public > terminals and forgetting to log off -- in any event, > 100 days about covers the season). > - Added ability for FFL owners to submit their own > starting lineup. > - Added ability for FFL Administrator to submit > starting lineup for any team in league. > - Beginning to add support for making FFL teams > "active" or "inactive" (for teams that have dropped > out of the league). > - Various page display issues, including the removal > of FFL City display from most pages (will continue to > tidy this up). > - Added a page to display all starters of all FFL > teams. >=20 > I think these updates warrant a new release (0.7.3).=20 > Please review the code on the CVS server, and let me > know if you see any issues before we make a release.=20 > I'd like to get something released soon, as the season > is fast approaching! >=20 > Brad >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > "DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and = millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machi= nes in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, may note that coc= kroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not d= enote a higher life form."=20 >=20 > -- New York Times, November 26, 1991 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =09 > =09 > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop > FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D4721&alloc_id=3D10040&op=3Dclick > _______________________________________________ > ffl-developers mailing list > ffl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffl-developers --=20 Normal |
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From: Brad S. <sc...@ya...> - 2004-07-21 18:57:25
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FFL Developers, Over the last several weeks, I have been working with Mike and Don to update some of the legacy code for the FFL module. I have updated the code to include the following: - Fixed a cache overflow issue with IE 6. - Fixed sessions/cookie issue with Safari. - Set the login cookie to last for 100 days (maybe we should lower this for people logging in at public terminals and forgetting to log off -- in any event, 100 days about covers the season). - Added ability for FFL owners to submit their own starting lineup. - Added ability for FFL Administrator to submit starting lineup for any team in league. - Beginning to add support for making FFL teams "active" or "inactive" (for teams that have dropped out of the league). - Various page display issues, including the removal of FFL City display from most pages (will continue to tidy this up). - Added a page to display all starters of all FFL teams. I think these updates warrant a new release (0.7.3). Please review the code on the CVS server, and let me know if you see any issues before we make a release. I'd like to get something released soon, as the season is fast approaching! Brad ===== "DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form." -- New York Times, November 26, 1991 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-06-29 16:05:06
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On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 08:40, Brad Schwie wrote:
> I started poking around the FFL site a little more in the last couple
> days, and I also found out that if I ever want to post an update
> available for people to download, I'll need to be an administrator to
> the project (unless you can add this permission to my developer
> profile).
Brad,
I can make you a release technician when the time comes. You can submit
a Support Request at any time, and one of our admins will be able to
accommodate releasing updates in the SF FRS.
> Even things like publishing news about the project... I need
> administrator privileges for that as well.
This does require admin privileges. I never understood the SF staff
reasoning behind this restriction. Anyway, you can submit a SR for on of
our project admins to attend to this also.
> I don't want to bother you and Don too much in the future, as Don said
> you guys have your sights set on phpWebsite as the new and improved
> version of FFL. Do you guys want me to spin-off into a new project
> with the old codebase? I'm open to ideas... It probably seems
> logical that 2 projects come out of this, as it will most likely get
> confusing if I'm releasing patches to FFL and Don is releasing the new
> FFL Module for phpWebsite at the same time.
First, you're in no way a bother. Also, I don't see a problem with
multiple releases.
Note: you now have write access to old/ffl in CVS.
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-05-05 18:52:16
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On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 17:00, Jonathan Julian wrote:
> Hello all. XMLSPORTS is meant to be a 'sports data feed' in SportsML (XML)
> format. Basically, XMLSPORTS is to be run locally by the end user to scrape
> data from various websites, formatting the data into SportsML format. The
> generic format can then be read by *any* sports-related project like
> ffl...with the hope that an eventual *free* SportsML live feed will someday
> exist and replace XMLSPORTS.
Jonathan,
Thanks for the information. This looks promising. :-)
Everyone,
Take a look at the SportsML information.
http://www.sportsml.com/
http://xml.coverpages.org/sportsML.html
They indicate the content format is open and public, but I'd like more
details on the served content licensing. Anyone that has information on
the content licensing, and how it may affect ffl is appreciated.
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From: Dan M. <Mc...@ro...> - 2004-05-04 13:16:54
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I know that I would be interested in taking a look at this and seeing if I could contribute, I know that I run into times where I have too much of my work bogging me down but I can usually find time. Anyone else interested in joining in? --- Jonathan Julian <jon...@ea...> wrote: > Hello all. XMLSPORTS is meant to be a 'sports data feed' in SportsML (XML) > format. Basically, XMLSPORTS is to be run locally by the end user to scrape > data from various websites, formatting the data into SportsML format. The > generic format can then be read by *any* sports-related project like > ffl...with the hope that an eventual *free* SportsML live feed will someday > exist and replace XMLSPORTS. > > I started XMLSPORTS but development has halted. Functionality is minimal > right now, but easily added. If anyone is interested in picking up where I > left off, let me know. > > -Jonathan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:mh...@us...] > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 11:33 AM > To: Jonathan Julian > Cc: ffl...@li... > Subject: XMLSPORTS & FFL > > > Jonathan, > Is xmlsports a free and open semantic web replacement/equivalent to > Stats Inc.? If so, how functional is xmlsports, and would you consider > collaborating with ffl? > > -- > Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> > http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ > SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Oracle 10g > Get certified on the hottest thing ever to hit the market... Oracle 10g. > Take an Oracle 10g class now, and we'll give you the exam FREE. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3149&alloc_id=8166&op=click > _______________________________________________ > ffl-developers mailing list > ffl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ffl-developers ===== -------------------------------------------------------- "Theres no such thing as a problem unless the servers are on fire!" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover |
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From: Jonathan J. <jon...@ea...> - 2004-05-03 23:54:55
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Hello all. XMLSPORTS is meant to be a 'sports data feed' in SportsML (XML) format. Basically, XMLSPORTS is to be run locally by the end user to scrape data from various websites, formatting the data into SportsML format. The generic format can then be read by *any* sports-related project like ffl...with the hope that an eventual *free* SportsML live feed will someday exist and replace XMLSPORTS. I started XMLSPORTS but development has halted. Functionality is minimal right now, but easily added. If anyone is interested in picking up where I left off, let me know. -Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Mike Noyes [mailto:mh...@us...] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 11:33 AM To: Jonathan Julian Cc: ffl...@li... Subject: XMLSPORTS & FFL Jonathan, Is xmlsports a free and open semantic web replacement/equivalent to Stats Inc.? If so, how functional is xmlsports, and would you consider collaborating with ffl? -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-05-01 15:32:04
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Jonathan, Is xmlsports a free and open semantic web replacement/equivalent to Stats Inc.? If so, how functional is xmlsports, and would you consider collaborating with ffl? -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2004-04-30 17:11:13
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Ken, Are you still interested in collaborating on ffl? -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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From: Dan M. <Mc...@ro...> - 2003-09-07 00:07:12
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I am currently trying to work a deal with real-time/game end statistics provider Statsfeed. They provide stats in many different types of feeds. I think it would be best to work the deal so that if people use the software they can get the service, which is not free, and the FFL software would just need their account ID and the be able to have the stats provided to them via database dump, I think via XML. Any thoughts? dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2003-06-21 17:36:58
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On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 10:02, Bill wrote: > I was just wondering if you guys still planned on having something ready by > this season? Bill, We're ramping up again, as fantasy football season approaches. The PHP XSLT Sablotron idea doesn't seem to be going anywhere at this time. However, parts of the phpWebSite module base are under construction. -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs |
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From: Bill <ni...@lo...> - 2003-06-21 17:02:47
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I was just wondering if you guys still planned on having something ready by this season? |
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From: Ross G. <ro...@sa...> - 2003-03-20 13:03:15
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Mike Noyes wrote: > On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 08:18, Ross Gardler wrote: > >>Mike Noyes wrote: >> >>>The CSMS project is scraping stats from multiple sources and >>>flagging any inconsistencies. >> >>Just to clarify - it currently only scrapes one source, our intention is >>to make it scrape multiple sources and flag inconsistances, but I >>haven't had time to work on it for quite some time now - the project is >>still alive, just sleeping. > > > Everyone, > How does this Slashdot story affect the screen scraping strategy? > > Texas Court Blocks Screen-Scraper > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/13/2039226&mode=thread&tid=95 > I thought long and hard about this before embarking on this route. We did discuss it amongst our small group. But none of us are lawyers. Our conclusion was that there is no real problem with us doing this. The information we are gathering is not copyrightable material. We do not gather the commentary, only the events that the commentary refer to (scoring a goal, being sent off etc.) these events are real world events that we could get from anywhere, including having "our man at the game". We did agree that there may be a problem with using software to "read: the pages. I know some sites prohibit this in their terms and conditions. We also agreed that if we scraped a statistics site that was providing the information we need then we would probably be in violation of copyright and T&C's. Our conclusion was that as long as we are just a few guys doing this it's not a problem. If we were to go commercial or if the OS project was to take off and thousands were using it across the country it may become a problem. At which point we intend to gather the info in another way. Ross |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2003-03-19 22:34:49
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On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 08:18, Ross Gardler wrote: > Mike Noyes wrote: > > The CSMS project is scraping stats from multiple sources and > > flagging any inconsistencies. > > Just to clarify - it currently only scrapes one source, our intention is > to make it scrape multiple sources and flag inconsistances, but I > haven't had time to work on it for quite some time now - the project is > still alive, just sleeping. Everyone, How does this Slashdot story affect the screen scraping strategy? Texas Court Blocks Screen-Scraper http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/13/2039226&mode=thread&tid=95 -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes @ users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ http://sitedocs.sf.net/ http://ffl.sf.net/ |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2003-03-18 18:21:05
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Everyone,
I just found an interesting collection of information. I hope it's
useful.
Papers about XML
http://www.rpbourret.com/xml/index.htm
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From: Ross G. <ro...@sa...> - 2003-03-05 13:58:49
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This has gone off topic quite a bit, if anyone would like to follow up privately please feel free... Mike Noyes wrote: > On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 10:22, Ross Gardler wrote: > If you want to take extreme programming a step further, take a look at: > > Evolution as a project development model > http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04541.html > Interestng... As it happens I have done a great deal of work on Evolutionary software development. My approach is to build a "maturity model" that is used to guide the project development, that is specifiy a set of expected future goal states and identify small steps between them. This maturity model informs the selection/adaption/creation of best practice business models, these in turn inform the selection/adaption/creation of best practice software patterns. Test harnesses are then built to ensure requirements coverage (as we currently understand them). These patterns and tests are fed into a application builder which sources the components required to implement the software. What you end up with is either a working system, or a bunch of test failures and a partial system. Work on the components and eventially you get a full system. furthermore, since you have continuous automated builds when someone else enhances a component you may find that your project takes a step towartds a higher level of maturity automatically. Components need not be written in a specific language, however, they do need to operate over SOAP, XML-RPC or better still a REST style architecture. Of course existing legacy components can be wrapped accordingly. This means that existing component projects can easily be incorporated into the system and software built this way sees ythe benefits of true Open Source component level evolution. Of course, requirements change - simply change the test harnesses, the build system automatically reconfigures your software, or tells you why it can't do so. Expected goals also change - simply change the maturity model, associated business and software patterns, and the test harnesses for the changed future positions and the build system starts moving towards the "new" future. I am currently unable to publish most of this work due to restrictions on publication by some of the involved organisations, however, I am able to release the software as Open Source and fully intend to do so just as soon as I can find the time, which will be soon. However, I've recently relocated to Trinidad and Tobago and am spending most of my time enjoying my new life (I just experienced my first Carnival, if you people have never been here for Carnival I can highly recomend it). If you are interested I'll be sure to announce the project here when it goes live (Note CSMS will be built in this way, and so all the features in there will be available as components in this way). Ross |
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From: Mike N. <mh...@us...> - 2003-03-01 17:25:03
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On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 10:22, Ross Gardler wrote: > Don Seiler wrote: > Absolutely, I agree. Get something that works and then improve it. > Release early, release often. We've released early, we want to release > again, maybe you can help with the improvements. > > > I guess this is a religious debate > > so I drop it. > > Yep, I'm a member of the church of extreme programming > (http://xprogramming.com/). Industry with its requriements creep made me > switch from design first methodologies. Open source, where requrements > are rarely known upfront, made me become religious about it - sorry. Ross, If you want to take extreme programming a step further, take a look at: Evolution as a project development model http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04541.html -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes @ users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ http://sitedocs.sf.net/ http://ffl.sf.net/ |
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