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From: Dilip M <dil...@gm...> - 2007-09-17 11:56:31
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Hi, === fetchmail version: 6.3.8. A default that comes with ubuntu. === Thank you for Andrew to make this setup easy for beginners :) http://people.aapt.net.au/~adjlstrong/mutt.html#fetchmail ** I'm getting a EXIT STATUS 1, using fetchmail to POP gmails! ** 1. First logged into gmail webmail and activated "Enable POP for all mail (even mail that's already been downloaded)". + "Keep a copy..." There are ~ 3000 emails in my gmail inbox! 2. My "~/.fetcmailrc", is ==== poll pop.gmail.com # Tell fetchmail about server with proto POP3 # Use the POP-protocol user 'use...@gm... ' # Your Gmail Username there with password '****' # Your Gmail Password is 'dilipm' here # Local Username mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" # Tell fetchmail which MDA to use options # Options duh keep # Keep the mail on server = safe ssl sslcertck sslcertpath /etc/ssl/certs ==== 3. Did 'fetchmail -vv' for the first time, and emails are getting fetched. Since gmail makes them available in batches. I executed fetchmail -vv, several times.. [http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13291&useful=1&show_useful=1] 4. What I noticed, is the logfile says... ...snip... 712 messages (712 seen) for ........at gmail.com at pop.gmail.com ...snip.... fetchmail: POP3> QUIT fetchmail: POP3< +OK Farewell. fetchmail: 6.2.5 querying pop.gmail.com (protocol POP3) at Fri Dec 23 16:22:45 2005: poll completed fetchmail: normal termination, status 1 Exit code 1 means, There was no mail awaiting retrieval. (There may have been old mail still on the server but not selected for retrieval.) But there are still many emails! Don't know, why they are not selected for retrieval! I also did, rm ~/fetchids and moved the mailbox + again set the "Enable POP for all mail (even mail that's already been downloaded)"..and repeated the 4 steps again...I get the *same* emails...but not remaining. Has anyone faced a same problem? -- Dilip |
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From: Dilip M <dil...@gm...> - 2007-09-17 12:10:39
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Hi, === fetchmail version: 6.3.8. A default that comes with ubuntu. === Thank you for Andrew to make this setup easy for beginners :) http://people.aapt.net.au/~adjlstrong/mutt.html#fetchmail ** I'm getting a EXIT STATUS 1, using fetchmail to POP gmails! ** 1. First logged into gmail webmail and activated "Enable POP for all mail (even mail that's already been downloaded)". + "Keep a copy..." There are ~ 3000 emails in my gmail inbox! 2. My "~/.fetcmailrc", is ==== poll pop.gmail.com # Tell fetchmail about server with proto POP3 # Use the POP-protocol user 'use...@gm... ' # Your Gmail Username there with password '****' # Your Gmail Password is 'dilipm' here # Local Username mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" # Tell fetchmail which MDA to use options # Options duh keep # Keep the mail on server = safe ssl sslcertck sslcertpath /etc/ssl/certs ==== 3. Did 'fetchmail -vv' for the first time, and emails are getting fetched. Since gmail makes them available in batches. I executed fetchmail -vv, several times.. [http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13291&useful=1&show_useful=1] 4. What I noticed, is the logfile says... ...snip... 712 messages (712 seen) for ........at gmail.com at pop.gmail.com ...snip.... fetchmail: POP3> QUIT fetchmail: POP3< +OK Farewell. fetchmail: 6.2.5 querying pop.gmail.com (protocol POP3) at Fri Dec 23 16:22:45 2005: poll completed fetchmail: normal termination, status 1 Exit code 1 means, There was no mail awaiting retrieval. (There may have been old mail still on the server but not selected for retrieval.) But there are still many emails! Don't know, why they are not selected for retrieval! I also did, rm ~/fetchids and moved the mailbox + again set the "Enable POP for all mail (even mail that's already been downloaded)"..and repeated the 4 steps again...I get the *same* emails...but not remaining. Has anyone faced a same problem? -- Dilip -- Dilip |
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From: N.J. M. <nj...@nj...> - 2007-09-17 12:17:54
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In message <6e7...@ma...>, Dilip M wrote: > > fetchmail version: 6.3.8. A default that comes with ubuntu. [...] > 4. What I noticed, is the logfile says... > > ...snip... > > 712 messages (712 seen) for ........at gmail.com at pop.gmail.com > > ...snip.... > > > fetchmail: POP3> QUIT > fetchmail: POP3< +OK Farewell. > fetchmail: 6.2.5 querying pop.gmail.com (protocol POP3) at Fri Dec 23 > 16:22:45 2005: poll completed > fetchmail: normal termination, status 1 This says you are using fetchmail 6.2.5 and not 6.3.8 as you claim. It also says that the poll was completed at 16:22:45 on Fri Dec 23 2005! Is this the correct log file? Cheers, Nick. -- |
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From: Dilip M <dil...@gm...> - 2007-09-17 12:26:05
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On 9/17/07, N.J. Mann <nj...@nj...> wrote: ...snip... > This says you are using fetchmail 6.2.5 and not 6.3.8 as you claim. It > also says that the poll was completed at 16:22:45 on Fri Dec 23 2005! > Is this the correct log file? No its not a correct log! Sorry!. Actually, I use fetchmail at home. So used a similar error, which was over internet. It should be exactly like, -- Log started. -- ...snip... 712 messages (712 seen) for ........at gmail.com at pop.gmail.com ...snip.... fetchmail: POP3> QUIT fetchmail: POP3< +OK Farewell. fetchmail: 6.3.8 querying pop.gmail.com (protocol POP3) at Sun Sep 16 23 16:22:45 2007: poll completed fetchmail: Query status=1 (NOMAIL) fetchmail: Writing fetchids file. fetchmail: normal termination, status 1 fetchmail: swapping UID lists fetchmail: Query status=1 (NOMAIL) . . - - End of log I feel, I need to repost this, before someone gets routed to wrong address.. -- Dilip |
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From: Rob M. <rob...@gm...> - 2007-09-17 20:29:31
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On 9/17/07, Dilip M <dil...@gm...> wrote: > > No its not a correct log! Sorry!. Actually, I use fetchmail at home. > So used a similar error, which was over internet. Posting other people's logs, or made up logs, only complicates matters further. If you are asking for help you should only ever post the real logs that related to the problem you are seeing. > It should be exactly > like, > > > -- Log started. -- > > ...snip... > > 712 messages (712 seen) for ........at gmail.com at pop.gmail.com > > ...snip.... > > > fetchmail: POP3> QUIT > fetchmail: POP3< +OK Farewell. > fetchmail: 6.3.8 querying pop.gmail.com (protocol POP3) at Sun Sep 16 23 > 16:22:45 2007: poll completed > fetchmail: Query status=1 (NOMAIL) > fetchmail: Writing fetchids file. > fetchmail: normal termination, status 1 > fetchmail: swapping UID lists > fetchmail: Query status=1 (NOMAIL) > . > . > - > > - End of log > I feel, I need to repost this, before someone gets routed to wrong address.. From memory somebody reported problems with fetching from GMail - have you searched the list archive? Otherwise, this isn't really a problem fetchmail can solve. If GMail is only reporting 712 emails and fetchmail has already downloaded all of them I don't know what you expect fetchmail to do. -- Please keep list traffic on the list. Rob MacGregor Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche |
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From: Dilip M <dil...@gm...> - 2007-09-17 20:38:27
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On 9/17/07, Rob MacGregor <rob...@gm...> wrote: ...snip... > Posting other people's logs, or made up logs, only complicates matters > further. If you are asking for help you should only ever post the > real logs that related to the problem you are seeing. I agree! Sorry of that :( But I couldn't wait for to get my fetchmail working! ...snip... > From memory somebody reported problems with fetching from GMail - have > you searched the list archive? Yes, searched before posting here. Couldn't find the problem, which I'm facing! > Otherwise, this isn't really a problem fetchmail can solve. If GMail > is only reporting 712 emails and fetchmail has already downloaded all > of them I don't know what you expect fetchmail to do Should be. Some problem at gmail end, since they say they will allow email in batches for retrieval, if there is many emails! http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13291&useful=1&show_useful=1 -- Finally the Correct log -- fetchmail: 6.3.8 querying pop.gmail.com (protocol POP3) at Monday 17 September 2007 10:28:15 PM IST: poll started Trying to connect to 209.85.147.109/995...connected. fetchmail: Issuer Organization: Equifax fetchmail: Unknown Issuer CommonName fetchmail: Server CommonName: pop.gmail.com fetchmail: pop.gmail.com key fingerprint: 59:51:61:89:CD:DD:B2:35:94:BB:44:97:A0:39:D5:B4 fetchmail: POP3< +OK Gpop ready for requests from 59.92.131.148 n37pf5312383wag fetchmail: POP3> USER dil...@gm... fetchmail: POP3< +OK send PASS fetchmail: POP3> PASS * . . ...snip... . . fetchmail: 759 is unseen fetchmail: POP3< . 759 messages (197 seen) for dil...@gm... at pop.gmail.com (4319113 octets). skipping message dil...@gm...@gmail-pop.l.google.com:1 not flushed skipping message dil...@gm...@gmail-pop.l.google.com:2 not flushed . . fetchmail: fetchlimit 5 reached; 754 messages left on server gmail-pop.l.google.com account dil...@gm... fetchmail: POP3> QUIT fetchmail: POP3< +OK Farewell. fetchmail: 6.3.8 querying pop.gmail.com (protocol POP3) at Monday 17 September 2007 10:28:29 PM IST: poll completed fetchmail: swapping UID lists fetchmail: Query status=13 (MAXFETCH) fetchmail: Writing fetchids file. fetchmail: normal termination, status 13 fetchmail: Writing fetchids file. -- End of log -- -- Dilip |
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From: Rob M. <rob...@gm...> - 2007-09-17 20:49:25
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On 9/17/07, Dilip M <dil...@gm...> wrote: > > I agree! Sorry of that :( But I couldn't wait for to get my fetchmail working! Frankly, tough. An approach like that will quite probably result in those that can help just ignoring you in future, in the theory that you may be making up log entries then too. > Should be. Some problem at gmail end, since they say they will allow > email in batches for retrieval, if there is many emails! Nothing fetchmail can do to help you. As I said, if GMail only reports 712 emails, all of which fetchmail has downloaded, what do you expect fetchmail to be able to do? It doesn't come with a crystal ball or magic "--control-google" command line option. > -- Finally the Correct log -- > > fetchmail: 6.3.8 querying pop.gmail.com (protocol POP3) at Monday 17 > September 2007 10:28:15 PM IST: poll started > Trying to connect to 209.85.147.109/995...connected. <---SNIP---> > . > fetchmail: 759 is unseen > fetchmail: POP3< . > 759 messages (197 seen) for dil...@gm... at pop.gmail.com > (4319113 octets). > skipping message dil...@gm...@gmail-pop.l.google.com:1 not flushed > skipping message dil...@gm...@gmail-pop.l.google.com:2 not flushed > . > . > fetchmail: fetchlimit 5 reached; 754 messages left on server > gmail-pop.l.google.com account dil...@gm... > fetchmail: POP3> QUIT > fetchmail: POP3< +OK Farewell. > fetchmail: 6.3.8 querying pop.gmail.com (protocol POP3) at Monday 17 > September 2007 10:28:29 PM IST: poll completed > fetchmail: swapping UID lists > fetchmail: Query status=13 (MAXFETCH) > fetchmail: Writing fetchids file. > fetchmail: normal termination, status 13 > fetchmail: Writing fetchids file. Care to restate your problem? You've configured fetchmail to download the emails in batches of 5 per run and you have 754 emails remaining. It will take 151 runs to completely download the existing emails that GMail reported at that point. Why not remove the fetchlimit option? It would help to see your .fetchmailrc file if you want further help. -- Please keep list traffic on the list. Rob MacGregor Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche |
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From: Matthias A. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-09-17 22:25:27
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Am Dienstag, den 18.09.2007, 00:07 +0530 schrieb Dilip M: > On 9/17/07, Rob MacGregor <rob...@gm...> wrote: > > ...snip... > > > Posting other people's logs, or made up logs, only complicates matters > > further. If you are asking for help you should only ever post the > > real logs that related to the problem you are seeing. > > I agree! Sorry of that :( But I couldn't wait for to get my fetchmail working! Yes. You're not getting the solution faster by providing inaccurate logs or whatever. And you're VERY much annoying everyone who is trying to help. Don't do that. > fetchmail: POP3< +OK send PASS > fetchmail: POP3> PASS * > . > . > ...snip... You've snipped the important part, namely how fetchmail learns which messages it has seen and which it hasn't. Is it using LAST or UIDL? You can force UIDL, and maybe you should if fetchmail isn't using it already. -- Matthias Andree <mat...@gm...> |
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From: Dilip M <dil...@gm...> - 2007-09-18 10:11:13
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On 9/18/07, Matthias Andree <mat...@gm...> wrote: ...snip... > Yes. You're not getting the solution faster by providing inaccurate logs > or whatever. And you're VERY much annoying everyone who is trying to > help. Don't do that. O.K..won't be doing this again! Sorry for all ...snip... > You've snipped the important part, namely how fetchmail learns which > messages it has seen and which it hasn't. Is it using LAST or UIDL? You > can force UIDL, and maybe you should if fetchmail isn't using it > already. l'll send a detailed log later. Its in my home PC. Between, found a similar problem, being faced by ppl! http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-POP-and-Forwarding/browse_thread/thread/1b0b48dc63208cc6/422005482555ac47#422005482555ac47 http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-POP-and-Forwarding/browse_thread/thread/d9d260d4bd09c1aa/e5bdb51d252e0eff?lnk=gst&q=fetchmail&rnum=16#e5bdb51d252e0eff -- Dilip |
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From: Matthias A. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-09-18 10:51:13
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Am Dienstag, den 18.09.2007, 13:40 +0530 schrieb Dilip M: > l'll send a detailed log later. Its in my home PC. > Between, found a similar problem, being faced by ppl! > > http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-POP-and-Forwarding/browse_thread/thread/1b0b48dc63208cc6/422005482555ac47#422005482555ac47 > http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-POP-and-Forwarding/browse_thread/thread/d9d260d4bd09c1aa/e5bdb51d252e0eff?lnk=gst&q=fetchmail&rnum=16#e5bdb51d252e0eff This is all a waste of time and has no relation to fetchmail or is something fetchmail could do something about at its end, and I'm not willing to add workarounds because someone feels incapable to implement the rather simplistic POP3 protocol properly. I herewith declare Google Mail related issues unsupported in fetchmail. Sorry, but I'm fed up with all this Google settings and nonstandard behaviour that doesn't work out right and my extremely limited time allows me but two choices: get rid of nonsense that ties up even more of the time, or quit development altogether. I definitely prefer the former. I'll accept further Google Mail related patches to the FAQ, and fetchmail will continue to do a best effort to fetch messages, but if it doesn't work with Google Mail or if you get different results than you expect, bother the Google staff instead, but not the fetchmail list regulars or maintainers. If this keeps cropping up, we'll have to set up autoresponders and bans for the list. Sorry again. Best regards Matthias Andree role: fetchmail co-maintainer doing most of the work |
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From: Gerard S. <ge...@se...> - 2007-09-18 13:32:22
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On Tuesday September 18, 2007 at 04:50:36 (AM) Matthias Andree wrote: > This is all a waste of time and has no relation to fetchmail or is > something fetchmail could do something about at its end, and I'm not > willing to add workarounds because someone feels incapable to implement > the rather simplistic POP3 protocol properly. > > I herewith declare Google Mail related issues unsupported in fetchmail. > > Sorry, but I'm fed up with all this Google settings and nonstandard > behaviour that doesn't work out right and my extremely limited time > allows me but two choices: get rid of nonsense that ties up even more of > the time, or quit development altogether. I definitely prefer the > former. > > I'll accept further Google Mail related patches to the FAQ, and > fetchmail will continue to do a best effort to fetch messages, but if it > doesn't work with Google Mail or if you get different results than you > expect, bother the Google staff instead, but not the fetchmail list > regulars or maintainers. > > If this keeps cropping up, we'll have to set up autoresponders and bans > for the list. Allow me to add my 2¢ here. I have always found Google's implementation of POP and SMTP to be extremely poorly thought out. Quite frankly, the entire concept of Google's email service is subject to extreme scrutiny. Google has even started a pay service that is so pathetic that if Microsoft had attempted to offer a similar deal to the general public, they would be sued for fraud. I believe it is in everybody's interest to simple abandon Google and it's email service until they become a more rules compliant service. -- Gerard |
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From: Anne W. <can...@go...> - 2007-09-18 13:51:07
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On Tuesday 18 Sep 2007, Gerard Seibert wrote: > On Tuesday September 18, 2007 at 04:50:36 (AM) Matthias Andree wrote: > > > > If this keeps cropping up, we'll have to set up autoresponders and bans > > for the list. > > Allow me to add my 2¢ here. I have always found Google's > implementation of POP and SMTP to be extremely poorly thought out. > Quite frankly, the entire concept of Google's email service is subject > to extreme scrutiny. Google has even started a pay service that is so > pathetic that if Microsoft had attempted to offer a similar deal to the > general public, they would be sued for fraud. > > I believe it is in everybody's interest to simple abandon Google and > it's email service until they become a more rules compliant service. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Using a gmail account allows google to skim out around 50% of spam that comes to me. Using gmail's forwarding facility the remaining messages are then sent to my ISP account. Used this way you get a real benefit, and fetchmail doesn't have to talk to gmail at all. Anne |
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From: Rob M. <rob...@gm...> - 2007-09-18 14:32:18
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On 9/18/07, Gerard Seibert <ge...@se...> wrote:
<---SNIP--->
> I believe it is in everybody's interest to simple abandon Google and
> it's email service until they become a more rules compliant service.
You can guess where I sit on this :)
I've found GMail a significantly better service than Hotmail ever was.
To date I've not lost any messages sent to my GMail account. I've
documented a number of cases where email sent to, and accepted by,
Hotmail has never arrived. I've no way of knowing how many other
emails never made it.
Yes, their POP/SMTP interface may not be the best (though I've never
used either so can't speak from experience). However as a webmail
service I've not had any problems.
If they're breaking the RFCs then by all means report the problems to
them (and document them in a blog/create threads on digg or
slashdot/whatever). However even in the case that spawned this
thread, I'm not sure they're technically breaking the RFCs, just POLA
:)
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Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche
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From: Rob M. <rob...@gm...> - 2007-09-18 11:05:40
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On 9/18/07, Dilip M <dil...@gm...> wrote:
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> l'll send a detailed log later. Its in my home PC.
> Between, found a similar problem, being faced by ppl!
Which strongly suggests it's not a fetchmail problem.
However, as I said try removing the fetch limit in your .fetchmailrc.
If that still doesn't work then provide both your .fetchmailrc and the
entire output of a "fetchmail --nosyslog --nodetach -vvv" (as detailed
in the FAQ under reporting bugs).
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Please keep list traffic on the list.
Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche
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From: Matthias A. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-09-18 17:17:38
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Rob MacGregor schrieb: > If they're breaking the RFCs then by all means report the problems to > them (and document them in a blog/create threads on digg or > slashdot/whatever). However even in the case that spawned this > thread, I'm not sure they're technically breaking the RFCs, just POLA > :) Well, they're breaking user expectations one way or the other, and I've so far resisted the itch of printing and logging warning banners everywhere fetchmail comes across gmail... And that Hotmail is an inferior service in the eyes of some people, doesn't excuse or justify Google's strangeness in any way. I see Anne's posting of getting around the Google POP3 interface and still have some benefits, but this doesn't bring the whole discussion back into the scope of this list I'm afraid... Best regards Matthias |
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From: Rob M. <rob...@gm...> - 2007-09-18 18:08:27
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On 9/18/07, Matthias Andree <mat...@gm...> wrote:
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> Well, they're breaking user expectations one way or the other, and I've so
> far resisted the itch of printing and logging warning banners everywhere
> fetchmail comes across gmail...
I might actually suggest that any time fetchmail connects to a
POP/IMAP server that has known problems it should generate a warning.
I'm sure this would cover more than just GMail's unexpected
implementation (from a quick glance at the FAQ).
> And that Hotmail is an inferior service in the eyes of some people, doesn't
> excuse or justify Google's strangeness in any way.
Don't disagree in the slightest, I was just pointing out that GMail at
least doesn't appear to be breaking RFCs, whereas I believe Hotmail
does by silently dropping email after accepting it.
> I see Anne's posting of getting around the Google POP3 interface and still
> have some benefits, but this doesn't bring the whole discussion back into
> the scope of this list I'm afraid...
I agree, I was just attempting to point out that while GMail's POP3
interface may come with a major POLA violation, I don't agree with
Gerard's perspective. I'm also not certain that the email that
started this divergence actually has GMail's quirks at the heart of it
(it looks probable that the problem is that the end-user has
configured fetchmail to only download 5 messages at a time).
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Rob MacGregor
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche
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