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From: Dave C. <dc...@do...> - 2007-05-11 08:26:48
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Hi, I use: "poll pop.example.com with proto POP3 user "ge...@ex..." there with password 'my_password' is dave here" which places the catch-all mail in the file /var/spool/mail/dave I need the recipients da...@ex..., jo...@ex... and sh...@ex... to be distributed to the local mailboxes of users dave, john and shirley. I would also like the mail to ba...@ex... to remain on the ISP's server (if this is possible, it's not absolutely necessary). Can anyone assist me on how to achieve this? Thank you, -- Dave Coventry Tel (home): +27(0)31 3092301 Tel (office): +27(0)31 2058448 Cell: +27(0)82 9000179 |
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From: Matthias A. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-05-11 17:26:50
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Dave Coventry schrieb: > Can anyone assist me on how to achieve this? It's all in the manual page - but I don't consider multidrop a particularly good idea. |
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From: Dave C. <dc...@do...> - 2007-05-11 20:31:18
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Matthias, thank you very much for the reply. Okay, I've read and reread the manual page and I think I have the answer; namely that ~~~~~~~~~~~~ snip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ poll pop.example.com with proto POP3 user "general at example.com <https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/fetchmail-users>" there with password "my_password" to davec=dave johnj=john shirleyw=shirley barryw=barry here ~~~~~~~~~~~~ snip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ should work. (I presume that leaving barry's email on the ISP's server is not an option?) Can I ask you why you don't consider multidrop a good idea? What are the risks? Matthias Andree wrote: > Dave Coventry schrieb: > > >> Can anyone assist me on how to achieve this? >> > > It's all in the manual page - but I don't consider multidrop a > particularly good idea. > > > -- Dave Coventry Tel (home): +27(0)31 3092301 Tel (office): +27(0)31 2058448 Cell: +27(0)82 9000179 |
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From: Dave C. <dc...@do...> - 2007-05-11 20:37:15
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I'll try again(Sorry, the cut-and-paste didn't work out) Matthias, thank you very much for the reply. Okay, I've read and reread the manual page and I think I have the answer; namely that ~~~~~~~~~~~~ snip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ poll pop.example.com with proto POP3 user "general at example.com" there with password "my_password" to davec=dave johnj=john shirleyw=shirley barryw=barry here ~~~~~~~~~~~~ snip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ should work. (I presume that leaving barry's email on the ISP's server is not an option?) Can I ask you why you don't consider multidrop a good idea? What are the risks? Matthias Andree wrote: > Dave Coventry schrieb: > > >> Can anyone assist me on how to achieve this? >> > > It's all in the manual page - but I don't consider multidrop a > particularly good idea. > > > -- Dave Coventry Tel (home): +27(0)31 3092301 Tel (office): +27(0)31 2058448 Cell: +27(0)82 9000179 |
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From: Matthias A. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-05-11 20:49:16
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Dave Coventry schrieb: > I'll try again(Sorry, the cut-and-paste didn't work out) > > Matthias, thank you very much for the reply. You're welcome. > Okay, I've read and reread the manual page and I think I have the > answer; namely that > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ snip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > poll pop.example.com with proto POP3 > user "general at example.com" there with > password "my_password" to davec=dave johnj=john shirleyw=shirley > barryw=barry here > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ snip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > should work. Yes, it should - however, as I've stated in <http://home.pages.de/~mandree/mail/multidrop>, it requires some cooperation from the ISP to write envelope headers, else you'll have troubles with duplicate or missing or misdirected messages (answering your question why multidrop isn't the best idea). Configuring the envelope header properly (Rob MacGregor offered to help with that part in his list mail) is essential (the option is also called envelope), some details are in the FAQ and manual page and in the document linked to above. Usually, ODMR or UUCP are better ideas than POP3 multidrop, since they are more reliable, these protocols do transport the envelope. HTH, Matthias |
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From: Dave C. <dc...@do...> - 2007-05-11 21:29:32
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>Configuring the envelope header properly (Rob MacGregor offered to help >with that part in his list mail) Yes, my email in reply to you crossed with his. >is essential (the option is also called >envelope), some details are in the FAQ and manual page and in the document How is the envelope configured? I mean, is it generated by the originator of the email or does my ISP's server assemble the envelope when it receives the email? >linked to above. Usually, ODMR or UUCP are better ideas than POP3 >multidrop, since they are more reliable, these protocols do transport the >envelope. I'm afraid that I'm in the hands of my ISP on this. Matthias Andree wrote: > Dave Coventry schrieb: > >> I'll try again(Sorry, the cut-and-paste didn't work out) >> >> Matthias, thank you very much for the reply. >> > > You're welcome. > > >> Okay, I've read and reread the manual page and I think I have the >> answer; namely that >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ snip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> poll pop.example.com with proto POP3 >> user "general at example.com" there with >> password "my_password" to davec=dave johnj=john shirleyw=shirley >> barryw=barry here >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ snip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> should work. >> > > Yes, it should - however, as I've stated in > <http://home.pages.de/~mandree/mail/multidrop>, it requires some > cooperation from the ISP to write envelope headers, else you'll have > troubles with duplicate or missing or misdirected messages (answering your > question why multidrop isn't the best idea). > > Configuring the envelope header properly (Rob MacGregor offered to help > with that part in his list mail) is essential (the option is also called > envelope), some details are in the FAQ and manual page and in the document > linked to above. Usually, ODMR or UUCP are better ideas than POP3 > multidrop, since they are more reliable, these protocols do transport the > envelope. > > HTH, > Matthias > _______________________________________________ > fetchmail-users mailing list > fet...@li... > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/fetchmail-users > > > -- Dave Coventry Tel (home): +27(0)31 3092301 Tel (office): +27(0)31 2058448 Cell: +27(0)82 9000179 |
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From: Matthias A. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-05-11 21:47:43
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Dave Coventry schrieb: >> Configuring the envelope header properly (Rob MacGregor offered to help >> with that part in his list mail) > Yes, my email in reply to you crossed with his. > >> is essential (the option is also called >> envelope), some details are in the FAQ and manual page and in the document > How is the envelope configured? I mean, is it generated by the originator of the email or does my ISP's server assemble the envelope when it receives the email? The originator reads it, but the ISP's mail server must write a copy of the envelope recipient into the headers. A copy of the envelope sender is usually copied into the Return-Path: header, but the former isn't mandatory hence often missing. >> linked to above. Usually, ODMR or UUCP are better ideas than POP3 >> multidrop, since they are more reliable, these protocols do transport the >> envelope. > I'm afraid that I'm in the hands of my ISP on this. Ask them, or switch them. :-) BTW, please don't top-post on this list and remove unneeded quote parts, that makes your posts easier to read. Thanks. HTH Matthias |
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From: Dave C. <dc...@do...> - 2007-05-11 22:12:28
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Matthias Andree wrote: > > BTW, please don't top-post on this list and remove unneeded quote parts, > that makes your posts easier to read. > Sorry. I normally snip the pieces I am addressing and leave the full history at the bottom, purely for reference. But I'm happy to comply. -- Dave Coventry Tel (home): +27(0)31 3092301 Tel (office): +27(0)31 2058448 Cell: +27(0)82 9000179 |
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From: Dave C. <dc...@do...> - 2007-05-11 22:26:02
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Matthias Andree wrote: > Ask them, or switch them. :-) Well, I'll see to what extent they comply by experimenting. If I can get it to work we can stay with them. Currently we're on a dynamic IP and dyndns.org (don't ask: it's got to do with the monopolistic telecommunications provider here in South Africa), but if we get a static IP, I'll organise for the DNS to point at our servers. -- Dave Coventry Tel (home): +27(0)31 3092301 Tel (office): +27(0)31 2058448 Cell: +27(0)82 9000179 |
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From: Dave C. <dc...@do...> - 2007-05-12 00:09:41
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Rob MacGregor wrote: > Some hosting providers manage their own dynamic DNS setup so that > email can be delivered directly to you (with secondaries on their own > network incase you drop off the net). Rob, Thank you for your reply (and your previous offer of help). I've been re-reading the manual again. If the ISP receives and passes on the 'envelope' correctly, can it be assumed that they will consistently handle mail in this way? Assuming that they are using the same software? In other words, are the rogue envelopes created by my ISP's server, or are they delivered to his server in that condition? -- Dave Coventry Tel (home): +27(0)31 3092301 Tel (office): +27(0)31 2058448 Cell: +27(0)82 9000179 |
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From: Matthias A. <mat...@gm...> - 2007-05-12 15:00:44
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On Sat, 12 May 2007, Dave Coventry wrote: > Rob MacGregor wrote: > > Some hosting providers manage their own dynamic DNS setup so that > > email can be delivered directly to you (with secondaries on their own > > network incase you drop off the net). > Rob, Thank you for your reply (and your previous offer of help). > > I've been re-reading the manual again. If the ISP receives and passes on > the 'envelope' correctly, can it be assumed that they will consistently > handle mail in this way? Assuming that they are using the same software? Usually yes. > In other words, are the rogue envelopes created by my ISP's server, or > are they delivered to his server in that condition? They aren't "rogue" but a special service of your ISP's server software. I hope they aren't asking a special rate for that but it might eventually make the distinction between family and business account pricing for them. -- Matthias Andree |
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From: Rob M. <rob...@gm...> - 2007-05-11 20:03:04
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On 5/11/07, Dave Coventry <dc...@do...> wrote: > Hi, > > I use: > "poll pop.example.com with proto POP3 > user "ge...@ex..." there with password 'my_password' is dave here" > which places the catch-all mail in the file /var/spool/mail/dave > > I need the recipients da...@ex..., jo...@ex... and > sh...@ex... to be distributed to the local mailboxes of users > dave, john and shirley. > > I would also like the mail to ba...@ex... to remain on the ISP's > server (if this is possible, it's not absolutely necessary). > > Can anyone assist me on how to achieve this? Basically, it depends on your ISP. If they've provided a header with this information (often something like Envelope-to or Delivered-to) then you can (and as Matthias said the details are in the man page). If you're not sure, provide a sample header for an email and I'll let you know. If however they haven't, your out of luck. -- Please keep list traffic on the list. Rob MacGregor Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche |
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From: Rob M. <rob...@gm...> - 2007-05-11 22:34:48
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On 5/11/07, Dave Coventry <dc...@do...> wrote: > Matthias Andree wrote: > > Ask them, or switch them. :-) > Well, I'll see to what extent they comply by experimenting. If I can get > it to work we can stay with them. > > Currently we're on a dynamic IP and dyndns.org (don't ask: it's got to > do with the monopolistic telecommunications provider here in South > Africa), but if we get a static IP, I'll organise for the DNS to point > at our servers. Some hosting providers manage their own dynamic DNS setup so that email can be delivered directly to you (with secondaries on their own network incase you drop off the net). -- Please keep list traffic on the list. Rob MacGregor Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche |
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