Thread: [fetchmail-users] Are my messages being blocked?

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I've been trying for almost two days to get a message through but they never 
appear.

Anne

On Sunday August 26, 2007 at 05:10:23 (PM) Anne Wilson wrote:

> I've been trying for almost two days to get a message through but they never 
> appear.
> 
> Anne

You do seem to be having a great deal of trouble; however, I am unsure
as to what you are specifically referring to. All of the messages that
you have sent have been received. At least it would appear to be so.
Why do you think they are not?

Are you failing to receive a copy of the message you sent returned to
you via this group? If that is the problem, and I think it is, and you
you are using GMail, and your address would indicates that you are,
then that is your problem. Google had decreed that you do not have
that right. When you send a message to a forum such as this, Google
will not place that message in your in-box when it is relayed by the
forum you sent the message to. It conveniently loses it. This is a
well know and documented feature(?) of Google's email system.

Might I suggest that you get a real email provider. Why not simply use
your ISP's email service for starters. In any event, lose GMail. They
are the worst service around. They even make 'Hotmail' look good.
Actually, the new version <http://get.live.com/> isn't all that bad
when compared to GMail.

-- 
Gerard

On 8/26/07, Gerard Seibert <ge...@se...> wrote:
>
> Are you failing to receive a copy of the message you sent returned to
> you via this group? If that is the problem, and I think it is, and you
> you are using GMail, and your address would indicates that you are,
> then that is your problem. Google had decreed that you do not have
> that right. When you send a message to a forum such as this, Google
> will not place that message in your in-box when it is relayed by the
> forum you sent the message to. It conveniently loses it. This is a
> well know and documented feature(?) of Google's email system.

I call this one FUD.

It isn't either well known, or documented (that I've ever found).  I
too am on GMail and I've never yet not received any email.  I *have*
seen quite a few list emails arrive in Junk however, until the system
is trained.

Now Hotmail, it *IS* documented that for Hotmail emails that MS view
as "junk" are often just dropped on the floor.  I've even confirmed
this myself, more than once.

The most important things here are:

1) Both Anne and I are on GMail, I'm seeing the emails fine
2) I've CCd Anne on 2 emails and emailed her direct on 2 - she hasn't
responded to or seen any of these

I'm strongly of the opinion that Anne is neglecting to check her Junk
mail folder.  I'll be trying a non GMail account to contact her later.

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Rob MacGregor
      Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
        doesn't become a monster.                  Friedrich Nietzsche

On Monday August 27, 2007 at 04:40:33 (AM) Rob MacGregor wrote:

> I call this one FUD.
> 
> It isn't either well known, or documented (that I've ever found).  I
> too am on GMail and I've never yet not received any email.  I *have*
> seen quite a few list emails arrive in Junk however, until the system
> is trained.
> 
> Now Hotmail, it *IS* documented that for Hotmail emails that MS view
> as "junk" are often just dropped on the floor.  I've even confirmed
> this myself, more than once.
> 
> The most important things here are:
> 
> 1) Both Anne and I are on GMail, I'm seeing the emails fine
> 2) I've CCd Anne on 2 emails and emailed her direct on 2 - she hasn't
> responded to or seen any of these
> 
> I'm strongly of the opinion that Anne is neglecting to check her Junk
> mail folder.  I'll be trying a non GMail account to contact her later.

How you can conceivably make a connection between the acronym FUD and
the situation at hand is beyond me. Anyway, back to our regularly
scheduled discussion.

1) Check out this URL:

https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=10314&topic=1566

Why your quest failed to turn it up is a mystery.

2) Where is this 'HOTMAIL' documentation? I am not a friend of Hotmail
as a rule; however, I have experience far greater success with it than
Google's lame offering. At Least IMHO, it exceeds GMail in it
fuctionability.

3) The use of 'recent' in GMail will result in the user receiving a
copy of every message that they send. Are you employing this technique?
If you are not familiar with the 'recent' tag in GMail, Google for it.
If you still cannot find it, contact me.

For the record, I reiterate that her problem exists due to her
reliance on a substandard web email system.

-- 
Gerard

On 8/27/07, Gerard Seibert <ge...@se...> wrote:
>
> 1) Check out this URL:
>
> https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=10314&topic=1566
>
> Why your quest failed to turn it up is a mystery.

Which isn't the main part of the problem Anne described

> 2) Where is this 'HOTMAIL' documentation? I am not a friend of Hotmail
> as a rule; however, I have experience far greater success with it than
> Google's lame offering. At Least IMHO, it exceeds GMail in it
> fuctionability.

I've seen threads in many places, not least of which includes NANOG.

> For the record, I reiterate that her problem exists due to her
> reliance on a substandard web email system.

It turns out we were both wrong :)

-- 
                 Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
      Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
        doesn't become a monster.                  Friedrich Nietzsche

Gerard Seibert schrieb:

> For the record, I reiterate that her problem exists due to her
> reliance on a substandard web email system.

Record taken. Could we kindly now return to fetchmail affairs and let the
$LARGE_COMMERCIAL_MAIL_SITE_THAT_SNIFFS_YOUR_PERSONAL_MATTERS
advocacy rest for a while?

We know the large sites violate standards so they can tailor things to
their business models and other policies, and we're usually not happy about
that -- but this discussion has long since trodden off fetchmail paths.

Thank you.

On Sunday 26 Aug 2007, Gerard Seibert wrote:
> On Sunday August 26, 2007 at 05:10:23 (PM) Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I've been trying for almost two days to get a message through but they
> > never appear.
> >
> > Anne
>
> You do seem to be having a great deal of trouble; however, I am unsure
> as to what you are specifically referring to. All of the messages that
> you have sent have been received. At least it would appear to be so.
> Why do you think they are not?
>
> Are you failing to receive a copy of the message you sent returned to
> you via this group? If that is the problem, and I think it is, and you
> you are using GMail, and your address would indicates that you are,
> then that is your problem. Google had decreed that you do not have
> that right. When you send a message to a forum such as this, Google
> will not place that message in your in-box when it is relayed by the
> forum you sent the message to. It conveniently loses it. This is a
> well know and documented feature(?) of Google's email system.
>
> Might I suggest that you get a real email provider. Why not simply use
> your ISP's email service for starters. In any event, lose GMail. They
> are the worst service around. They even make 'Hotmail' look good.
> Actually, the new version <http://get.live.com/> isn't all that bad
> when compared to GMail.

I do have 'good' email providers - two, in fact.  You are mistaken, too, in 
your comments about gmail.  I always receive, forwarded to me for reading in 
kmail, copies of all messages I send to lists.  The reason I use gmail for 
lists is quite simple - they manage to trap about half of the spam that comes 
through.  Yes, I need to check their spam pages quite often, but there are 
few false-positives - I'd say about one in 200 at most.

Thanks for trying to help, but it wasn't gmail's fault.

Anne

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