Thread: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds.

[Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds.

From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-13 17:29:13

Hi all.

I made a small adjustment to form saving/restoring.

Build 622 (www.khoffrath.de/feedreader/feedreader_622.zip)
Build 623 (www.khoffrath.de/feedreader/feedreader_623.zip)

Both builds are equal except one thing:

Build 622 restores the windowposition and -size correctly no matter if
the window was maximized, minimized or normal at shutdown. This comes
with the price of a short flickering at program startup.

Build 623 restores the window size not correctly under the following
circumstances:
The window was maximized at shutdown. When the program is restarted and
the window is restored to normal state, the size is correct, but the
position is in the screen center.

So please vote for the preferred method

Greetings,
Karsten


P.S.
I noticed, that both files have build no 622. The file 
feedreader_623.zip is the one with the uncomplete startup functionality ;).

Re: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds.

From: Toomas T. <to...@i-...> - 2004-01-14 07:20:22

I think Feedreader should startu up without flickering. Of course it's 
better to save maximized/normalized state for user but this flickering 
is so unnormal :). Another thing is if i click on trayicon. Last public 
version behaved correctly no matter if form was restored or mazimized 
before hiding to tray. But at the moment it flicker if it was maximized. 
We should revert this back?

Greetings
Toomas

Karsten Hoffrath wrote:

>
> So please vote for the preferred method
>
> Greetings,
> Karsten
>

Re: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds.

From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-14 09:06:06

Toomas Toots wrote:

> I think Feedreader should startu up without flickering. Of course it's 
> better to save maximized/normalized state for user but this flickering 
> is so unnormal :). Another thing is if i click on trayicon. Last public 
> version behaved correctly no matter if form was restored or mazimized 
> before hiding to tray. But at the moment it flicker if it was maximized. 

There is a new option which describes what happens if you click with the 
left mouse button on the icon: show normal or maximized.
This flickering occurs just the first time the window is shown.

> We should revert this back?
> 

It is not in cvs, so reverting is not a problem.

This evening i will try a new version of the CoolTrayIcon component, 
cross your fingers ;)

Karsten

Re: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds.

From: Toomas T. <to...@i-...> - 2004-01-14 09:11:41

But why we need option for this? Isn't it normal if feedreader will get 
the state it had before hidding?


I think that to many options are not definetly good. Feedreader should 
be simple even for dumb user. And if we really need some finetuning 
options we should make new preferences tab "Advanced"

Toomas

>
> There is a new option which describes what happens if you click with 
> the left mouse button on the icon: show normal or maximized.
> This flickering occurs just the first time the window is shown.
>

Re: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds.

From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-14 09:15:33

Toomas Toots <to...@i-...> wrote:
>I think that to many options are not definetly good. Feedreader should 
>be simple even for dumb user. And if we really need some finetuning 
>options we should make new preferences tab "Advanced"

And make an Tab 'things every normal windows programm should do but we had
to build it up seperate cause this is delphi' ;o)))

But for an pascal programm, the gui-handling of FR is really good *gg*

;o)
Nicole
	
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Re: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds.

From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-14 08:22:43

Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
>So please vote for the preferred method

I vote for 624:
If properties of the feedreader Icon say 'normal', FR is restored to the
way it was at shutdown:
Back in systray (and only there, not above the start button) or maximized
or the middle thing (what is it called in enlisch?)

If said minimized, it is brought to systray

If said maximized, it opens maximized.

I appreciate the efforts to make a build around like this or settings in
properties of FR but it does not solve the problem. The settings for the
icon  to start fr *have* to have priority.

I have not have the time to test the new versions, could take some days but
I will give feedback soon.

:o)
Nicole
	
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Re: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds.

From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-14 08:43:58

Nicole Simon wrote:
> Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
> 
>>So please vote for the preferred method
> 
> 
> I vote for 624:
> If properties of the feedreader Icon say 'normal', FR is restored to the
> way it was at shutdown:
> Back in systray (and only there, not above the start button) or maximized

The issue that the window is shown above the start button should be fixed.

> or the middle thing (what is it called in enlisch?)

Normal.

> 
> If said minimized, it is brought to systray
> 
> If said maximized, it opens maximized.
> 

> I appreciate the efforts to make a build around like this or settings in
> properties of FR but it does not solve the problem. The settings for the
> icon  to start fr *have* to have priority.

I read this two sentences 3 times, but i don't understand what you mean 
  :(. Can you please explain in more details?

> 
> I have not have the time to test the new versions, could take some days but
> I will give feedback soon.

Can i delete the two builds? I need the space for the regular build.



Karsten

Re: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds.

From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-14 09:11:21

Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
>The issue that the window is shown above the start button should be fixed.

fine.

>> I appreciate the efforts to make a build around like this or settings in
>> properties of FR but it does not solve the problem. The settings for the
>> icon  to start fr *have* to have priority.
>
>I read this two sentences 3 times, but i don't understand what you mean 
>  :(. Can you please explain in more details?

Should be easier in German (sorry rest)
Es ist schön, daß Du versuchst, daß Problem zu lösen zum Beispiel durch
nachträgliches Änders des Window-States oder aber durch eine Einstellung in
FR um ein maximized hinzukriegen - jedoch sollte sowas keine
Workaround-Lösung sein, sondern das ursprüngliche Problem sollte gelöst
werden: Warum ignoriert FR die Einstellungen, die er von Windows beim Start
des Programmes erhält? 

Whatever is done in FR at startup, I expect Delphi to be the reason of
trouble. I asume that Languages from MS do recognize the information at
start from the porperties of the icon better and Delphi fails - so we have
this mess.

>Can i delete the two builds? I need the space for the regular build.

tsts so few space? ;o)
if you think I should take a look at these two to compare, please send them
to nicole.simon at web.de. where I can fetch them later today without
running out of quota @gnak. thx
Nicole

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Re: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds. (German-Post)

From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-14 09:50:52

Nicole Simon wrote:

> Es ist schön, daß Du versuchst, daß Problem zu lösen zum Beispiel durch
> nachträgliches Änders des Window-States oder aber durch eine Einstellung in
> FR um ein maximized hinzukriegen - jedoch sollte sowas keine
> Workaround-Lösung sein, sondern das ursprüngliche Problem sollte gelöst
> werden: Warum ignoriert FR die Einstellungen, die er von Windows beim Start
> des Programmes erhält? 

Es erhält von Windows keine Informationen, wie der Windows-State sein 
soll. Das legt es selbst fest.
Ich vermute das wir die Probleme haben, weil wir diese Komponente 
verwenden, um das Programm in den Tray zu legen.
Ich versuch heute abend mal eine neuere Version der Komponente.

> 
> Whatever is done in FR at startup, I expect Delphi to be the reason of
> trouble. I asume that Languages from MS do recognize the information at
> start from the porperties of the icon better and Delphi fails - so we have
> this mess.
> 
> 
>>Can i delete the two builds? I need the space for the regular build.
> 
> 
> tsts so few space? ;o)

Ja, ist noch ein uralt Visitenkarten-Tarif von Puretec ;)

> if you think I should take a look at these two to compare, please send them
> to nicole.simon at web.de. where I can fetch them later today without
> running out of quota @gnak. thx

Ok.

Re: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds. (German-Post)

From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-15 09:48:54

Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
>Es erhält von Windows keine Informationen, wie der Windows-State sein 
>soll. Das legt es selbst fest.

hm. can't be that there are no information from windows.

>Ich versuch heute abend mal eine neuere Version der Komponente.

where's the new build? ;o)

>> if you think I should take a look at these two to compare, please send them
>> to nicole.simon at web.de. where I can fetch them later today without
>> running out of quota @gnak. thx
>
>Ok.

haven't had a mail but would have liked to test :o)

Nicole
	
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Re: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds. (German-Post)

From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-15 13:35:21

Nicole Simon wrote:

> Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
> 
>>Es erhält von Windows keine Informationen, wie der Windows-State sein 
>>soll. Das legt es selbst fest.
> 
> 
> hm. can't be that there are no information from windows.
> 
> 
>>Ich versuch heute abend mal eine neuere Version der Komponente.
> 
> 
> where's the new build? ;o)
> 

The latest build 625 is at www.khoffrath.de/feedreader.
The flickering is fixed and window positions correctly saved and restored.
Please test just this version, should be ok now.

Karsten

Re: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds. (German-Post)

From: Nicole S. <ni...@gn...> - 2004-01-15 20:00:59

Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
>The latest build 625 is at www.khoffrath.de/feedreader.

ah - i did not refresh it enough, so it said 621 :o)

I will start testing but have more time at the weekend. :)
Nicole
	
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Re: [Feedreader-development] Please test this two builds. (German-Post)

From: Karsten H. <mai...@kh...> - 2004-01-16 07:50:54

Nicole Simon wrote:

> Karsten Hoffrath <mai...@kh...> wrote:
> 
>>The latest build 625 is at www.khoffrath.de/feedreader.
> 
> 
> ah - i did not refresh it enough, so it said 621 :o)
> 
> I will start testing but have more time at the weekend. :)

Wait until i uploaded the latest build with the translation changes ;).


Karsten

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