f-script-talk — Discussion about F-Script and related subjects

Re: [F-Script-talk] Fwd: Windows with F-script

[Andrew W. <wei...@wi...>]

Deivy,

In Objective-C, sometimes small pieces of data like points or rectangles are stored as C structs, for reasons of efficiency. In Objective-C, they are accessed with the dot operator. F-Script translates them into objects (specifically, NSValue objects), which are then accessed through methods. So the line of objective-C code:

(newOrigin.y+windowFrame.size.height) > (screenFrame.origin.y+screenFrame.size.height)

can be written in F-Script as:

(newOrigin y + windowFrame extent y > (screenFrame origin y + screenFrame extent y)

Andrew Weinrich


----- Original Message -----
From: Deivy Petrescu <ca...@di...>
Date: Friday, June 1, 2007 11:04 am
Subject: [F-Script-talk] Fwd: Windows with F-script
To: f-s...@li...


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: Deivy Petrescu <ca...@di...>
> > Date: May 29, 2007 17:32:41 EDT
> > To: f-s...@li...
> > Subject: Windows with F-script
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am new to F-script and Objective-C.
> > I am trying to learn both of them now. Also, I normally suck at  
> > writing the UI for any app.
> > Somehow I am a big fan of faceless apps.
> > However, I want to write one that really needs a face.
> > I need to create a window a la Growl, or Application Switcher on  
> > the Mac, with F-Script.
> > Well, I can do that! However, if I create the window, a borderless  
> 
> > one I can not move it or even get rid of it.
> > I tried using (Objective-c, Cocoa) code suggested by Apple. But  
> > somethings get stuck.
> > The code uses a dot language which apparently does not bode well  
> > with F script.
> > For instance, the line of code:
> > (newOrigin.y+windowFrame.size.height) > (screenFrame.origin.y 
> > +screenFrame.size.height)
> >
> > gets stuck in the "." of newOrigin.y.
> >
> > Any hints would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
> > Deivy
> >
> 
> 
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[F-Script-talk] Fwd: Windows with F-script

[Deivy P. <ca...@di...>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Deivy Petrescu <ca...@di...>
> Date: May 29, 2007 17:32:41 EDT
> To: f-s...@li...
> Subject: Windows with F-script
>
> Hello,
>
> I am new to F-script and Objective-C.
> I am trying to learn both of them now. Also, I normally suck at  
> writing the UI for any app.
> Somehow I am a big fan of faceless apps.
> However, I want to write one that really needs a face.
> I need to create a window a la Growl, or Application Switcher on  
> the Mac, with F-Script.
> Well, I can do that! However, if I create the window, a borderless  
> one I can not move it or even get rid of it.
> I tried using (Objective-c, Cocoa) code suggested by Apple. But  
> somethings get stuck.
> The code uses a dot language which apparently does not bode well  
> with F script.
> For instance, the line of code:
> (newOrigin.y+windowFrame.size.height) > (screenFrame.origin.y 
> +screenFrame.size.height)
>
> gets stuck in the "." of newOrigin.y.
>
> Any hints would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Deivy
>

[F-Script-talk] ESUG 2007 Call for Contributions

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

----------------------------------------------------------------------
15th International Smalltalk Joint Conference - Call for Contributions

August 25 - 31, 2007 - Lugano, Switzerland

http://www.esug.org/conferences/2007
----------------------------------------------------------------------

For the past 14 years, the European Smalltalk User Group (ESUG) has
organised the International Smalltalk Conference, a lively forum on
cutting edge software technologies that attract people from both
academia and industry for a whole week. The attendees are both
engineers using Smalltalk in business and students and teachers using
Smalltalk both for research and didactic purposes.

As every year, this year's edition of the largest European Smalltalk
event will include the regular Smalltalk developers conference with
renowned invited speakers, a Smalltalk camp that proves fruitful for
interactions and discussions. Besides, this year will be held the 4th
edition of the Innovation Technology Awards where prizes will be
awarded to authors of best pieces of Smalltalk-related projects.
Last, but not least the event includes as usual a research conference
which was renamed this year into "International Conference on Dynamic
Languages". This reflects the widening of the scope of this
conference to enable cross-fertilization with research conducted
using other dynamic languages.

You can support the ESUG conference in many different ways:

      * Sponsor the conference. New sponsoring packages are described
at http://www.esug.org/supportesug/becomeasponsor/
      * Submit a talk, a software or a paper to one of the events. See
below.
      * Attend the conference. We'd like to beat the previous record
of attendance (116 people at K=F6then, Germany in 2004)!
      * Students can get free registration and hosting if they enroll
into the the Student Volunteers program. See below.

The conference features the following events:

      * Camp Smalltalk
      * Developers Forum
      * Research Forum
      * Technology Forum

Developers Forum : International Smalltalk Developers Conference
------------------
This year we are looking for YOUR experience on using Smalltalk. The
list of topics includes, but is not limited to the following:

      * XP practices
      * Development tools
      * Experience reports
      * Model driven development
      * Web development
      * Team management
      * Meta-Modeling
      * Security
      * New libraries & frameworks
      * Educational material
      * Embedded systems and robotics
      * SOA and Web services
      * Interaction with other programming languages

Submissions due on 30th of May 2007

Notification of acceptance on 15 of June 2007

More information at

http://www.esug.org/conferences/
15thinternationalsmalltalkjointconference2007/
internationalsmalltalkdevelopersconference/

Research Forum : International Conference on Dynamic Languages
------------------

Smalltalk is one of the oldest object-oriented languages, but its
conception and programming environment can still be considered as a
design pearl and as a beacon in the realm of programming languages
and programming environments. The bulk of its modern contenders are
still lacking many of the features that Smalltalkers find both
mundane and essential. Nevertheless, as software engineering
practices and new application fields evolve, Smalltalk should keep
up. This concerns the language, its implementation technology, its
programming tools as well as the software development culture it
supports. The research forum invites scientific articles that report
on original research conducted in and/or for Smalltalk. The list of
topics includes, but is not limited to the following:

      * Aspects, Aspect languages and Applications
      * Ambient Intelligence, Ubiquitous & Pervasive Computing
      * Embedded Systems
      * Compilation Technology, Optimization, Virtual Machines
      * Formalizations
      * Language Engineering, Extensions
      * Model Driven Engineering
      * Programming in the Large, Design, Architectures, Components
      * Development Environments
      * Program Analysis
      * Reflection and Metaprogramming
      * Testing
      * Agile Techniques
      * Web Services & Internet Applications

More information at

http://www.esug.org/conferences/
15thinternationalsmalltalkjointconference2007/
internationalconferenceondynamiclanguages/

Technology Forum
------------------

We are proud to announce the 4th Innovation Technology Awards. The
top 3 teams with the most innovative software will receive,
respectively, 500 Euros, 300 Euros and 200 Euros during an awards
ceremony at the conference. Developers of any Smalltalk-based
software are welcome to compete.

More information at

http://www.esug.org/conferences/
15thinternationalsmalltalkjointconference2007/
innovationtechnologyawards/

Student Volunteer Program
------------------

If you are a student wanting to attend ESUG, have you considered
being a student volunteer? Student volunteers help keep the
conference running smoothly; in return, they have free
accommodations, while still having most of the time to enjoy the
conference.

More information at

http://www.esug.org/conferences/
15thinternationalsmalltalkjointconference2007/studentvolunteersprogram/

[F-Script-talk] [ANN] F-Script 1.3.5 released

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

The release candidate announced here a few days ago has been released  
as F-Script 1.3.5.

You can download F-Script 1.3.5 from:
http://www.fscript.org/download/download.htm

Cheers,

Philippe Mougin

[F-Script-talk] [ANN] F-Script 1.3.5 release candidate

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

F-Script 1.3.5 release candidate is now available for download and test.

Binaries + documentation:
http://www.fscript.org/download/FScriptBin-20070421.tar.gz

Sources:
http://www.fscript.org/download/FScriptSources-20070421.tar.gz

I plan to publicly announce the release if no major problem is found  
in this candidate version. Please, test and report problems ASAP.

Philippe Mougin

Re: [F-Script-talk] How to pass a variable number of arguments to a method?

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Le 3 avr. 07 =E0 03:58, Phil a =E9crit :

> The subject says it all.  How do I get F-Script to pass a variable
> number of arguments to an Obj-C method (i.e. NSString
> stringWithFormat:)?


This is not currently supported.

Best,

Philippe

[F-Script-talk] How to pass a variable number of arguments to a method?

[Phil <pbp...@co...>]

The subject says it all.  How do I get F-Script to pass a variable  
number of arguments to an Obj-C method (i.e. NSString  
stringWithFormat:)?

Thanks,
Phil

[F-Script-talk] [CFP] Dynamic Languages Symposium 2007

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

************************************************************************
*                                                                      *
*                   Dynamic Languages Symposium 2007                   *
*                at ooPSLA 2007 - http://www.oopsla.org                *
*                                                                      *
*              Montreal, Quebec, Canada, October 22, 2007              *
*                                                                      *
*               http://www.swa.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/dls07/               *
*                                                                      *
************************************************************************

Important dates:
****************

* Submission of papers: June 1, 2007 *hard deadline*
* Author notification:  June 30, 2007
* Final versions due:   July 7, 2007
* DLS 2007:             October 22, 2007
* OOPSLA 2007:          October 21-25, 2007

Scope:
******

The Dynamic Languages Symposium (DLS) at OOPSLA 2007 in Montreal,
Canada, is a forum for discussion of dynamic languages, their
implementation and application. While mature dynamic languages including
Smalltalk, Lisp, Scheme, Self, and Prolog continue to grow and inspire
new converts, a new generation of dynamic scripting languages such as
Python, Ruby, PHP, and JavaScript are successful in a wide range of
applications. DLS provides a place for researchers and practitioners to
come together and share their knowledge, experience, and ideas for
future research and development.

DLS 2007 invites high quality papers reporting original research,
innovative contributions or experience related to dynamic languages,
their implementation and application. Accepted Papers will be published
in the OOPSLA conference companion and the ACM Digital Library.

Areas of interest include but are not limited to:
*************************************************

* Innovative language features and implementation techniques
* Development and platform support, tools
* Interesting applications
* Domain-oriented programming
* Very late binding, dynamic composition, and runtime adaptation
* Reflection and meta-programming
* Software evolution
* Language symbiosis and multi-paradigm languages
* Dynamic optimization
* Hardware support
* Experience reports and case studies
* Educational approaches and perspectives
* Object-oriented, aspect-oriented, and context-oriented programming

Submissions and proceedings
***************************

We invite original contributions that neither have been published
previously nor are under review by other refereed events or
publications. Research papers should describe work that advances the
current state of the art. Experience papers should be of broad interest
and should describe insights gained from substantive practical
applications. The program committee will evaluate each contributed paper
based on its relevance, significance, clarity, and originality.

Papers are to be submitted electronically at
http://www.dcl.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/dls2007/ in PDF format.
Submissions must not exceed 12 pages and need to use the ACM format,
templates for which can be found at
http://www.acm.org/sigs/pubs/proceed/template.html.

Program chairs:
***************

* Pascal Costanza, Programming Technology Lab,
   Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Belgium

* Robert Hirschfeld, Hasso-Plattner-Institut,
   University of Potsdam, Germany

Program committee:
******************

* Gilad Bracha, Cadence Design Systems, USA
* Johan Brichau, Universite Catholique de Louvain, Belgium
* William Clinger, Northeastern University, USA
* William Cook, University of Texas at Austin, USA
* Pascal Costanza, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Belgium
* Stephane Ducasse, Universite de Savoie, France
* Brian Foote, Industrial Logic, USA
* Robert Hirschfeld, Hasso-Plattner-Institut Potsdam, Germany
* Jeremy Hylton, Google, USA
* Shriram Krishnamurthi, Brown University, USA
* Michele Lanza, University of Lugano, Switzerland
* Michael Leuschel, Universitaet Duesseldorf, Germany
* Henry Lieberman, MIT Media Laboratory, USA
* Martin von Loewis, Hasso-Plattner-Institut Potsdam, Germany
* Philippe Mougin, OCTO Technology, France
* Oscar Nierstrasz, University of Berne, Switzerland
* Kent Pitman, PTC, USA
* Ian Piumarta, Viewpoints Research Institute, USA
* Nathanael Schaerli, Google, Switzerland
* Anton van Straaten, AppSolutions.com, USA
* Dave Thomas, Bedarra Research Labs, Canada
* Dave Ungar, USA
* Allen Wirfs-Brock, Microsoft, USA
* Roel Wuyts, IMEC & Unversite Libre de Bruxelles, Belgium

[F-Script-talk] F-Script testimonials (last call!)

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Hi all,

I'm still seeking a few more "testimonials" about F-Script to put on =20
Web site. So if you want to share your feeling about F-Script (can be =20=

one or a few sentences) feel free to email it to me and to let me =20
know the way you=92d like to be identified (name, pseudo, company, =
etc.).

Below are a few examples of testimonials that will go in this section:

------

I could live without F-Script, however it would be a dreary =20
experience, like having a fresh bag of tortilla chips but lacking =20
salsa. I use F-Script.app to hack on Cocoa without having to create =20
numerous tests and projects. If I'm unsure about how a facet of Cocoa =20=

works, I bang something up to try it out in realtime. I also use F-=20
Script to script Cocoa -- there is a lot of power in the frameworks =20
that isn't otherwise accessible from the unix shell. Finally I use F-=20
Script Anywhere to dynamically poke at applications (both my own and =20
other people's), for testing, fixing and extending them.

Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch
Red Shed Software

------

I have often heard people sing F-Script's praises, but I used it for =20
the first time today. It's mind-blowing. I want to thank you for the =20
incredible work you are doing, this is going to make my work-flow so =20
much better...

Michael Str=F6ck

------

At Big Nerd Ranch, we have developed a report generator for one of =20
our clients. Using embedded F-Script, we have empowered our users to =20
extend the tool.  F-Script has been easy and reliable for us and =20
truly liberating for our users.

Aaron Hillegass
Big Nerd Ranch, Inc.

------

A deeply splendid merging of Smalltalk and APL.

Danny O'Brien's

-------=

Re: [F-Script-talk] Dictionary/Set question

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Le 7 f=E9vr. 07 =E0 16:26, John Paz a =E9crit :

>
> hi F-script Team,
>
> Thanks for creating a great piece of software.  I'm new to f-script =20=

> but am finding it a very easy way to experiment with Cocoa and =20
> climb its steep learning curve.  I've been able to send messages to =20=

> all members of an array, but I've tried doing the same with =20
> dictionaries and wasn't able to get it to work.  The manual didn't =20
> indicate whether it should or not AFAIK.  Is it possible to send =20
> messages to all members of collections such as dictionaries or =20
> sets, or should this not work?  Is this a design choice

Hi John,

Such capabilities may find their way in a future version of F-Script. =20=

In the meantime, it is easy to iterate over the elements of a set or =20
a dictionary by putting them into an array (Cocoa provides methods to =20=

do that on the fly). Examples:

"Send msg to the elements of mySet"
mySet allObjects @msg

"Send msg to the values of myDictionary"
myDictionary allValues @msg

"Send msg to the keys of myDictionary"
myDictionary allKeys @msg

Does it solve your problem?

Philippe=

Re: [F-Script-talk] fscript anywhere bug

[Alexey G. <al...@mi...>]

On 07.02.2007, at 18:31, f-s...@li...  
wrote:

>    1. Re: fscript anywhere bug (Philippe Mougin)
> We've had cases where F-Script Anywhere was not working due to
> conflicts with other "injected" technologies like custom input
> managers. If you have this kind of things installed, try to remove  
> them.
>
>> 0   com.apple.AE             	0x9150a5f0 parseData
>> (OpaqueAEStreamRef*, AEBuildError*, char const**, char**, unsigned
>> long) + 856
>> 1   com.apple.AE             	0x9150a0cc parseObj
>> (OpaqueAEStreamRef*, AEBuildError*, char const**, char**) + 336

I has removed all 3rd party InputManagers and injection technologies but
bug still here... And I can't play with F-Script :-(

So... How can I found real trouble reason?..
Give me more points for diagnostics...
Thanks.

---
  Alexey Galygin
  Chief Software Architect
  MITME Web Dep.

[F-Script-talk] Dictionary/Set question

[John P. <joh...@gm...>]

hi F-script Team,

Thanks for creating a great piece of software.  I'm new to f-script but am
finding it a very easy way to experiment with Cocoa and climb its steep
learning curve.  I've been able to send messages to all members of an array,
but I've tried doing the same with dictionaries and wasn't able to get it to
work.  The manual didn't indicate whether it should or not AFAIK.  Is it
possible to send messages to all members of collections such as dictionaries
or sets, or should this not work?  Is this a design choice?

thanks,
JP

[F-Script-talk] F-Script Testimonials. Help needed!

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Hi,

I=92m trying to build a new section on the F-Script web site that will =20=

include =93testimonials=94 from (hopefully) happy F-Script users. So if =20=

you=92d like to say something about F-Script and your experience with =20=

it, please go ahead and email it to me. It can take any form you=92d =20
like: a word, a sentence, a long text, a picture, a video, etc. Also =20
let me know the way you=92d like to be identified (name, pseudo, =20
company, etc.).

If I get a reasonable amount of testimonials, I'll be able to create =20
the page.

Thanks!

Philippe
pm...@ac...

[F-Script-talk] Extended deadline: CfP IEEE Software Special Issue on Rapid Application Development with Dynamically Typed Languages

[Laurence T. <la...@tr...>]

============================================================================

                        IEEE Software Special Issue
       Rapid Application Development with Dynamically Typed Languages
	   
                              Call for Papers

                    Publication: September/October 2007
               Extended submission deadline: 15 February 2007

============================================================================

Dynamically typed programming languages were once seen as slow, unreliable,
and suitable only for small throw-away tasks. However, their ability to aid
rapid systems development and to facilitate the pervasive, mobile, and
frequently updated systems that are increasingly in demand in the modern
world has led to their stock rising considerably.

While developers are ever keen to find out more about the details of dynamic
programming languages, managers are interested in finding out how they can
complement existing approved languages without diluting their organizations'
technical focus.

We thus solicit contributions in several areas related to dynamic
programming languages. Topics of interest include:

  * Dynamic programming languages "in use".
  * Organizations' experiences in integrating dynamic programming languages
    into their existing language menagerie.
  * Experiences of and techniques for using dynamic programming languages
    effectively (including efficiency and scalability concerns).
  * How dynamic programming languages have evolved and how they might
    develop in the future.
  * New techniques in challenging areas such as metaprogramming, reflection,
    dynamic reconfigurability, and mobility.

For detailed author guidelines, please visit:

  http://www.computer.org/software/author.htm

Manuscripts must not exceed 5,400 words including figures and tables, which
count for 200 words each. Submissions in excess of these limits may be
rejected without refereeing. The articles we deem within the theme's scope
will be peer-reviewed and are subject to editing for magazine style,
clarity, organization, and space.

For more information, please contact the Guest Editors Laurence Tratt and
Roel Wuyts at dy...@tr....

Re: [F-Script-talk] fscript anywhere bug

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

I've tested injecting F-Script into Terminal and Mail, using the =20
version of F-Script Anywhere bundled with the latest F-Script version =20=

(1.3.4) and Mac OS X 10.4.8 build 8L2127 on an iMac Core Duo 2. It =20
worked well.

We've had cases where F-Script Anywhere was not working due to =20
conflicts with other "injected" technologies like custom input =20
managers. If you have this kind of things installed, try to remove them.

Best,

Philippe

Le 24 janv. 07 =E0 12:29, Alexey Galygin a =E9crit :

> Hi!
> I was trying to inject FScript to Terminal.app (and Mail.app also) =20
> on PB G4 12 (and on Mac Mini Core Duo too)
> 'F-Script Anywhere'  constantly crashes on parseData with following =20=

> error report:
>
> =3D=3D=3D cut =3D=3D=3D
>
> Date/Time:      2007-01-24 14:19:42.194 +0300
> OS Version:     10.4.8 (Build 8L127)
> Report Version: 4
>
> Command: Terminal
> Path:    /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/MacOS/Terminal
> Parent:  WindowServer [58]
>
> Version:        1.5 (133)
> Build Version:  299
> Project Name:   Terminal
> Source Version: 1330000
>
> PID:    297
> Thread: 0
>
> Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
> Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000
>
> Thread 0 Crashed:
> 0   com.apple.AE             	0x9150a5f0 parseData=20
> (OpaqueAEStreamRef*, AEBuildError*, char const**, char**, unsigned =20
> long) + 856
> 1   com.apple.AE             	0x9150a0cc parseObj=20
> (OpaqueAEStreamRef*, AEBuildError*, char const**, char**) + 336
> 2   com.apple.AE             	0x91509884 vAEBuildParameters + 352
> 3   com.apple.AE             	0x915096f0 vAEBuildAppleEvent + 204
> 4   net.sabi.FScriptAnywhere 	0x050d81a8 =20
> SCPatchMessenger::SendMessage(__CFString const*, =20
> ProcessSerialNumber*, unsigned long, unsigned long, char =20
> const*, ...) + 116
> 5   net.sabi.FScriptAnywhere 	0x050d8714 SCPatchInit=20
> (SCPatchParams*) + 336
> 6   <<00000000>> 	0x017cf718 0 + 24966936
> 7   com.apple.CoreFoundation 	0x907f0550 __CFRunLoopDoTimer + 184
> 8   com.apple.CoreFoundation 	0x907dcec8 __CFRunLoopRun + 1680
> 9   com.apple.CoreFoundation 	0x907dc47c CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 268
> 10  com.apple.HIToolbox      	0x93203740 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode =20
> + 264
> 11  com.apple.HIToolbox      	0x93202dd4 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 380
> 12  com.apple.HIToolbox      	0x93202c40 =20
> BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 96
> 13  com.apple.AppKit         	0x93706ae4 _DPSNextEvent + 384
> 14  com.apple.AppKit         	0x937067a8 -[NSApplication =20
> nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 116
> 15  com.apple.AppKit         	0x93702cec -[NSApplication run] + 472
> 16  com.apple.AppKit         	0x937f387c NSApplicationMain + 452
> 17  com.apple.Terminal       	0x00002424 0x1000 + 5156
> 18  com.apple.Terminal       	0x000248c8 0x1000 + 145608
>
> Thread 1:
> 0   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x900140ac read + 12
> 1   com.apple.Terminal       	0x0000c888 0x1000 + 47240
> 2   com.apple.Foundation     	0x9295d194 forkThreadForFunction + 108
> 3   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x9002b508 _pthread_body + 96
>
> Thread 2:
> 0   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x9002bbc8 semaphore_wait_signal_trap =20=

> + 8
> 1   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x900306ac pthread_cond_wait + 480
> 2   com.apple.Foundation     	0x92964300 -[NSConditionLock =20
> lockWhenCondition:] + 68
> 3   com.apple.Terminal       	0x0000cd8c 0x1000 + 48524
> 4   com.apple.Foundation     	0x9295d194 forkThreadForFunction + 108
> 5   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x9002b508 _pthread_body + 96
>
> Thread 3:
> 0   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x900140ac read + 12
> 1   com.apple.Foundation     	0x9297db18 _backgroundActivity + 252
> 2   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x9002b508 _pthread_body + 96
>
> Thread 0 crashed with PPC Thread State 64:
>   srr0: 0x000000009150a5f0 srr1: =20
> 0x000000000000f030                        vrsave: 0x0000000000000000
>     cr: 0x28028442          xer: 0x0000000000000004   lr: =20
> 0x000000009150a420  ctr: 0x0000000090003730
>     r0: 0x00000000bfffe5c4   r1: 0x00000000bfffe310   r2: =20
> 0x00000000bfffe5c0   r3: 0x0000000000000029
>     r4: 0x00000000bfffe450   r5: 0x0000000000000000   r6: =20
> 0x0000000000000000   r7: 0x0000000054455854
>     r8: 0x00000000004039cf   r9: 0x0000000000000029  r10: =20
> 0x0000000091509f2c  r11: 0x0000000048028442
>    r12: 0x0000000090003138  r13: 0x0000000000000000  r14: =20
> 0x0000000000000001  r15: 0x0000000000000001
>    r16: 0x0000000000000000  r17: 0x0000000000000000  r18: =20
> 0x0000000000004207  r19: 0x0000000000000000
>    r20: 0x0000000010185328  r21: 0x00000000c243ce53  r22: =20
> 0x000000000030ec68  r23: 0x00000000705f6f6b
>    r24: 0x00000000bfffe450  r25: 0x00000000bfffe4d0  r26: =20
> 0x00000000003dbaf0  r27: 0x00000000bfffe4a4
>    r28: 0x00000000003dbaf0  r29: 0x00000000bfffe450  r30: =20
> 0x0000000054455854  r31: 0x0000000091509634
>
> Binary Images Description:
>     0x1000 -    0x4efff com.apple.Terminal 1.5 (133)	/Applications/=20=

> Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/MacOS/Terminal
> ...
>
> =3D=3D=3D end cut =3D=3D=3D
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[F-Script-talk] F-Script tools

[Andrew W. <wei...@wi...>]

Hello,

I've been working with F-Script recently, and I came up with a few  
tools that other F-Script users might find useful:

  - A shell tool (http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~weinrich/projects/fscript/ 
Documentation) that launches non-graphical F-Script programs from the  
command line. It also has a few additions like line-oriented files,  
sprintf, regular expressions, and facilities for importing other  
scripts, that make the language more useful for general-purpose  
scripting tasks.

  - FSClass (http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~weinrich/projects/FSClass/ 
Documentation), a bundle that lets you write new classes directly in  
F-Script, instead of Objective-C.

I know that these duplicate some work that's already been done by  
other people, but for the (non-GUI) data manipulation programs that  
I've been writing in F-Script they have been pretty useful, and I  
thought that I'd clean them up and make them available in case anyone  
else wants to use them.

Andrew Weinrich
wei...@wi...
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~weinrich

[F-Script-talk] fscript anywhere bug

[Alexey G. <al...@mi...>]

Hi!
I was trying to inject FScript to Terminal.app (and Mail.app also) on  
PB G4 12 (and on Mac Mini Core Duo too)
'F-Script Anywhere'  constantly crashes on parseData with following  
error report:

=== cut ===

Date/Time:      2007-01-24 14:19:42.194 +0300
OS Version:     10.4.8 (Build 8L127)
Report Version: 4

Command: Terminal
Path:    /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/MacOS/Terminal
Parent:  WindowServer [58]

Version:        1.5 (133)
Build Version:  299
Project Name:   Terminal
Source Version: 1330000

PID:    297
Thread: 0

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   com.apple.AE             	0x9150a5f0 parseData 
(OpaqueAEStreamRef*, AEBuildError*, char const**, char**, unsigned  
long) + 856
1   com.apple.AE             	0x9150a0cc parseObj(OpaqueAEStreamRef*,  
AEBuildError*, char const**, char**) + 336
2   com.apple.AE             	0x91509884 vAEBuildParameters + 352
3   com.apple.AE             	0x915096f0 vAEBuildAppleEvent + 204
4   net.sabi.FScriptAnywhere 	0x050d81a8 SCPatchMessenger::SendMessage 
(__CFString const*, ProcessSerialNumber*, unsigned long, unsigned  
long, char const*, ...) + 116
5   net.sabi.FScriptAnywhere 	0x050d8714 SCPatchInit(SCPatchParams*)  
+ 336
6   <<00000000>> 	0x017cf718 0 + 24966936
7   com.apple.CoreFoundation 	0x907f0550 __CFRunLoopDoTimer + 184
8   com.apple.CoreFoundation 	0x907dcec8 __CFRunLoopRun + 1680
9   com.apple.CoreFoundation 	0x907dc47c CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 268
10  com.apple.HIToolbox      	0x93203740 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 264
11  com.apple.HIToolbox      	0x93202dd4 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 380
12  com.apple.HIToolbox      	0x93202c40  
BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 96
13  com.apple.AppKit         	0x93706ae4 _DPSNextEvent + 384
14  com.apple.AppKit         	0x937067a8 -[NSApplication  
nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 116
15  com.apple.AppKit         	0x93702cec -[NSApplication run] + 472
16  com.apple.AppKit         	0x937f387c NSApplicationMain + 452
17  com.apple.Terminal       	0x00002424 0x1000 + 5156
18  com.apple.Terminal       	0x000248c8 0x1000 + 145608

Thread 1:
0   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x900140ac read + 12
1   com.apple.Terminal       	0x0000c888 0x1000 + 47240
2   com.apple.Foundation     	0x9295d194 forkThreadForFunction + 108
3   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x9002b508 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 2:
0   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x9002bbc8 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 8
1   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x900306ac pthread_cond_wait + 480
2   com.apple.Foundation     	0x92964300 -[NSConditionLock  
lockWhenCondition:] + 68
3   com.apple.Terminal       	0x0000cd8c 0x1000 + 48524
4   com.apple.Foundation     	0x9295d194 forkThreadForFunction + 108
5   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x9002b508 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 3:
0   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x900140ac read + 12
1   com.apple.Foundation     	0x9297db18 _backgroundActivity + 252
2   libSystem.B.dylib        	0x9002b508 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 0 crashed with PPC Thread State 64:
   srr0: 0x000000009150a5f0 srr1:  
0x000000000000f030                        vrsave: 0x0000000000000000
     cr: 0x28028442          xer: 0x0000000000000004   lr:  
0x000000009150a420  ctr: 0x0000000090003730
     r0: 0x00000000bfffe5c4   r1: 0x00000000bfffe310   r2:  
0x00000000bfffe5c0   r3: 0x0000000000000029
     r4: 0x00000000bfffe450   r5: 0x0000000000000000   r6:  
0x0000000000000000   r7: 0x0000000054455854
     r8: 0x00000000004039cf   r9: 0x0000000000000029  r10:  
0x0000000091509f2c  r11: 0x0000000048028442
    r12: 0x0000000090003138  r13: 0x0000000000000000  r14:  
0x0000000000000001  r15: 0x0000000000000001
    r16: 0x0000000000000000  r17: 0x0000000000000000  r18:  
0x0000000000004207  r19: 0x0000000000000000
    r20: 0x0000000010185328  r21: 0x00000000c243ce53  r22:  
0x000000000030ec68  r23: 0x00000000705f6f6b
    r24: 0x00000000bfffe450  r25: 0x00000000bfffe4d0  r26:  
0x00000000003dbaf0  r27: 0x00000000bfffe4a4
    r28: 0x00000000003dbaf0  r29: 0x00000000bfffe450  r30:  
0x0000000054455854  r31: 0x0000000091509634

Binary Images Description:
     0x1000 -    0x4efff com.apple.Terminal 1.5 (133)	/Applications/ 
Utilities/Terminal.app/Contents/MacOS/Terminal
...

=== end cut ===

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Re: [F-Script-talk] Subclassing NSManagedObject

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

You're right, F-Script check for the supported keys before generating =20=

a valueForKey: message. This is done in the function =20
"sendMsgNoPattern", in file ExecEngine.m (search for NSManagedObject).

Note that you may be able to have it work the way you want without =20
customizing F-Script: instead of relying on "valueForUndefinedKey:" =20
you could rely on the "forwardInvocation:" and =20
"methodSignatureForSelector:" methods (see the documentation for =20
NSObject). They act like "valueForUndefinedKey:" but on a more =20
general level (i.e., work for any message, not just for KVC =20
properties). At first glance the documentation for =20
"forwardInvocation:" can be somewhat misleading... In fact, you are =20
not restricted to forwarding messages. You can do whatever you want =20
and manipulate the passed in NSInvocation to return the result you want.

Best,

Philippe


Le 5 janv. 07 =E0 14:50, Tim McDonald a =E9crit :

> Happy New Year
>
> I'm playing around with an implementation of f-script which will make
> use of a subclass of NSManagedObject.
>
> I'm writing a core data program contains an "Items" entity linked via
> a one to many relationship to a "Characteristics" entity. The
> "Characteristics" entity has two attributes name and value. Each
> "Item" may contain a number of characteristics which I was planning
> on accessing by subclassing NSManagedObject so I can make use of the
> valueForUndefinedKey method to the correct value based upon if the
> message matched the name attribute, i.e.
>
> 	> Characteristics test
>
> which would return something like:
>
> 	{100, 200}
>
> Unfortunately, after setting everything up all I got was:
>
> 	> Characteristics test
> 	error: an instance of SDTManagedObject does not respond to =
"test"
>
> After playing around with various bit and pieces I finally got it to
> work using
>
> 	> Characteristics valueForKey: 'test'
> 	{100, 200}
>
> However I'd prefer to use the more concise commands (ie. ">
> Characteristics test"). I'm guessing that these don't work because F-
> script  first checks what keys an object support's before sending any
> message. Could you give me any pointer on what this may be as I think
> I'll have to customise this method as well?
>
> Best Regards
>
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[F-Script-talk] Subclassing NSManagedObject

[Tim M. <t_m...@me...>]

Happy New Year

I'm playing around with an implementation of f-script which will make  
use of a subclass of NSManagedObject.

I'm writing a core data program contains an "Items" entity linked via  
a one to many relationship to a "Characteristics" entity. The  
"Characteristics" entity has two attributes name and value. Each  
"Item" may contain a number of characteristics which I was planning  
on accessing by subclassing NSManagedObject so I can make use of the  
valueForUndefinedKey method to the correct value based upon if the  
message matched the name attribute, i.e.

	> Characteristics test

which would return something like:

	{100, 200}

Unfortunately, after setting everything up all I got was:

	> Characteristics test
	error: an instance of SDTManagedObject does not respond to "test"

After playing around with various bit and pieces I finally got it to  
work using

	> Characteristics valueForKey: 'test'
	{100, 200}

However I'd prefer to use the more concise commands (ie. ">  
Characteristics test"). I'm guessing that these don't work because F- 
script  first checks what keys an object support's before sending any  
message. Could you give me any pointer on what this may be as I think  
I'll have to customise this method as well?

Best Regards

Tim 

[F-Script-talk] Smalltalk Solutions 2007 Call for Participation

[Alan K. <kn...@ac...>]

The Smalltalk Solutions 2007 Call for Participation is now available at http://www.lwnwexpo.plumcom.ca/smalltalk_cfp.cfm

Smalltalk Solutions, in conjunction with IT360 (formerly LinuxWorld & NetworkWorld Canada) is seeking conference participations. Show dates are April 30, 2007 through May 2, 2007 in Toronto at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre.

The submission deadline is December 15th, so please get your submissions in as soon as possible.

Thank you,
   Alan Knight
   Smalltalk Solutions 2007 Program Chair
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[F-Script-talk] CfP: IEEE Software Special Issue on Rapid Application Development with Dynamically Typed Languages

[Laurence T. <la...@tr...>]

============================================================================

                        IEEE Software Special Issue
       Rapid Application Development with Dynamically Typed Languages
	   
                              Call for Papers

                    Publication:  September/October 2007
                    Submission Deadline: 1 February 2007

============================================================================

Dynamically typed programming languages were once seen as slow, unreliable,
and suitable only for small throw-away tasks. However, their ability to aid
rapid systems development and to facilitate the pervasive, mobile, and
frequently updated systems that are increasingly in demand in the modern
world has led to their stock rising considerably.

While developers are ever keen to find out more about the details of dynamic
programming languages, managers are interested in finding out how they can
complement existing approved languages without diluting their organizations'
technical focus.

We thus solicit contributions in several areas related to dynamic
programming languages. Topics of interest include:

  * Dynamic programming languages "in use".
  * Organizations' experiences in integrating dynamic programming languages
    into their existing language menagerie.
  * Experiences of and techniques for using dynamic programming languages
    effectively (including efficiency and scalability concerns).
  * How dynamic programming languages have evolved and how they might
    develop in the future.
  * New techniques in challenging areas such as metaprogramming, reflection,
    dynamic reconfigurability, and mobility.

For detailed author guidelines, please visit:

  http://www.computer.org/software/author.htm

Manuscripts must not exceed 5,400 words including figures and tables, which
count for 200 words each. Submissions in excess of these limits may be
rejected without refereeing. The articles we deem within the theme's scope
will be peer-reviewed and are subject to editing for magazine style,
clarity, organization, and space.

For more information, please contact the Guest Editors Laurence Tratt and
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Re: [F-Script-talk] Can I get access to the current block?

[Eric H. <eri...@gm...>]

Hi Vic,

No it works.. I was just wondering if there was a way...

Thanks,

Eric

On 9/15/06, Victor Narof <vic...@ho...> wrote:
>
> Eric Hochmeister wrote:
>
> >Block responds to return and return:.  Is it possible while in a block to
> >get access to the current block?
> >
> >ie.
> >
> >[ sys log:'hello'. <ref to current block> return.  sys log:'bye'. ] value.
> >
> >So far I've only been able to figure it out if I bind the block to a
> >variable.
> >
> >b := [ sys log:'hello'. b return.  sys log:'bye'. ].
> >b value.
> >
> >Is this functionality exposed to us?
>
> No.  AFAIK, binding the block to a variable, like you did, is the way to go
> for creating a block that refers to itself. It works well for me. Are you in
> a situation where it doesn't work?
>
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Re: [F-Script-talk] Can I get access to the current block?

[Victor N. <vic...@ho...>]

Eric Hochmeister wrote:

>Block responds to return and return:.  Is it possible while in a block to 
>get access to the current block?
>
>ie.
>
>[ sys log:'hello'. <ref to current block> return.  sys log:'bye'. ] value.
>
>So far I've only been able to figure it out if I bind the block to a 
>variable.
>
>b := [ sys log:'hello'. b return.  sys log:'bye'. ].
>b value.
>
>Is this functionality exposed to us?

No.  AFAIK, binding the block to a variable, like you did, is the way to go 
for creating a block that refers to itself. It works well for me. Are you in 
a situation where it doesn't work?

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Re: [F-Script-talk] Syntax suggestion

[Todd B. <tbl...@ma...>]

Smalltalk has a comma - it is used for concatenation.
'foo',bar','baz'
yields 'foobarbaz'

On Sep 14, 2006, at 2:24 AM, stephen white wrote:

> Hi Philippe and others,
>
> Yes, the language writer's horror rears its ugly head... it's syntax
> suggestion time! :)
>
> Many times, I'll be burrowing through some object references on the
> command line, and I find myself having to enclose everything I've
> typed in ()'s. By the time I get to what I'm after, Smalltalk is
> looking very much like LISP!
>
> So, just as sentences have commas as well as full-stops, perhaps
> Smalltalk needs a comma! Here is how it could operate:
>
> 	Current:
>
> 		object4 setMapX:((object7 valueForKey:'trackpoints') at:432)  
> latitude.
>
> 	Proposed:
>
> 		object4 setMapX:object7 valueForKey:'trackpoints', at:432, latitude.
>
> 	Multiple arguments:
>
> 		object4 addDepth:object4 depth width:(adjust valueForKey:'width')
> height:object4 height.
>
> 		object4 addDepth:object4 depth width:adjust valueForKey:'width',
> height:object4 height.
>
> The lexical opposite of cascading? The comma would be matched to the
> start of the current section, like cascading, but update with results
> instead of retaining the first object. I can't seem to find any
> ambiguous cases, except when defining arrays in { ,, }.
>
> Whether it is a comma or some other syntax, there does appear to be
> some opportunity for replacing the nested ()'s with something more
> readable.
>
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[F-Script-talk] Syntax suggestion

[stephen w. <st...@ad...>]

Hi Philippe and others,

Yes, the language writer's horror rears its ugly head... it's syntax  
suggestion time! :)

Many times, I'll be burrowing through some object references on the  
command line, and I find myself having to enclose everything I've  
typed in ()'s. By the time I get to what I'm after, Smalltalk is  
looking very much like LISP!

So, just as sentences have commas as well as full-stops, perhaps  
Smalltalk needs a comma! Here is how it could operate:

	Current:

		object4 setMapX:((object7 valueForKey:'trackpoints') at:432) latitude.

	Proposed:

		object4 setMapX:object7 valueForKey:'trackpoints', at:432, latitude.

	Multiple arguments:

		object4 addDepth:object4 depth width:(adjust valueForKey:'width')  
height:object4 height.

		object4 addDepth:object4 depth width:adjust valueForKey:'width',  
height:object4 height.

The lexical opposite of cascading? The comma would be matched to the  
start of the current section, like cascading, but update with results  
instead of retaining the first object. I can't seem to find any  
ambiguous cases, except when defining arrays in { ,, }.

Whether it is a comma or some other syntax, there does appear to be  
some opportunity for replacing the nested ()'s with something more  
readable.

Steve.

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