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Hi,

F-Script 1.2.4 candidate release is now available for download and test.

Binaries + documentation ->
http://www.fscript.org/download/FScriptBin-20030526.tar.gz

Sources ->
http://www.fscript.org/download/FScriptSources-20030526.tar.gz

This version comes with improvements and new features including 
improved integration with Cocoa and new documentation. See the included 
release notes for details.

I plan to publicly announce the release in a few days if no major 
problems are found in this version.

  Best,

  Phil

Hi,

I haven't played with the December dev tools yet and I don't know what=20=

this error message means.

Does anyone on this list encountered this problem ?

If you don't get a solution here, I suggest you to post your question=20
about this issue on the projectbuilder-user mailing list (see=20
http://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/projectbuilder-users).

Best,

Phil

Le mardi, 4 mar 2003, =E0 16:38 Europe/Paris, Alfonso Guerra a =E9crit :

> In trying to open the F-Script source in Project Builder 2.1 (Dec 2002=20=

> Dev Tools CD) I get an error: Didn't find a classname for 'isa' key.
>
> How would I rebuild the PB project file?
>
> Alfonso
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In trying to open the F-Script source in Project Builder 2.1 (Dec 2002 
Dev Tools CD) I get an error: Didn't find a classname for 'isa' key.

How would I rebuild the PB project file?

Alfonso

Yes it's not a perfect solution. On the other hand, renaming these=20
methods would probably not be a good thing because those are the=20
standards method names for booleans in the Smalltalk world, and we want=20=

F-Script to be a Smalltalk dialect.

Best,

Phil

Le mardi, 31 d=E9c 2002, =E0 22:13 Europe/Paris, Pierre Thibault a =E9crit=
 :

> Ok,
>
> I think this is a good solution for me. But it is not a perfect=20
> solution. What about other compilers? And what about people using=20
> these operators? As I know, almost no one is using them. So it is not=20=

> perfect but if no one is having a problem with that I'll say that this=20=

> a temporary solution.
>
> This trick should be mention in EmbeddingFScriptIntoCocoa.pdf I think.
>
> Thank you Phil.
>
> Le mardi, 31 d=E9c 2002, =E0 13:05 America/Montreal, Philippe Mougin a=20=

> =E9crit :
>
>> Hi Pierre,
>>
>> You should use the Objective-C++ compiler option=20
>> "-fno-operator-names". This will allow you to compile these methods.
>>
>>
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Ok,

I think this is a good solution for me. But it is not a perfect=20
solution. What about other compilers? And what about people using these=20=

operators? As I know, almost no one is using them. So it is not perfect=20=

but if no one is having a problem with that I'll say that this a=20
temporary solution.

This trick should be mention in EmbeddingFScriptIntoCocoa.pdf I think.

Thank you Phil.

Le mardi, 31 d=E9c 2002, =E0 13:05 America/Montreal, Philippe Mougin a=20=

=E9crit :

> Hi Pierre,
>
> You should use the Objective-C++ compiler option=20
> "-fno-operator-names". This will allow you to compile these methods.
>
>

----------------------
Pierre

Hi Pierre,

You should use the Objective-C++ compiler option "-fno-operator-names".=20=

This will allow you to compile these methods.

Best,

Phil

Le lundi, 30 d=E9c 2002, =E0 03:59 Europe/Paris, Pierre Thibault a =E9crit=
 :

> I have a compatibility problem with F-Script. The problem is with some=20=

> methods in FSBoolean.h:
>
> "or", "not" and "and" or C++ operators.  These names are used as=20
> method name and this causing compatibility problem when compiling in=20=

> Objective-C++.
>
> Is it possible to rename these method?
>
> Regards.
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I have a compatibility problem with F-Script. The problem is with some 
methods in FSBoolean.h:

"or", "not" and "and" or C++ operators.  These names are used as method 
name and this causing compatibility problem when compiling in 
Objective-C++.

Is it possible to rename these method?

Regards.

----------------------
Pierre

Recent F-Script related news:

* New tool: jgdo, developed by Joerg Garbers, lets you communicate with=20=

F-Script in a client-server mode. jgdo is an open-source Unix program,=20=

that sends its standard input(s) to F-Script, and returns the result(s)=20=

to its standard output. You can download jgdo from the F-Script web=20
site at
http://www.fscript.org/download/download.htm#jgdo

* Andy Stark has produced a bookmarked PDF version of the F-Script=20
Guide, which is much easier to use than the standard version.
Download: http://www.fscript.org/download/FScriptGuide.pdf

* Alexandre Bergel has released the behavioral inspector for Squeak,=20
inspired by the F-Script object browser. Go to the behavioral inspector=20=

web page at :
http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~bergel/Smalltalk/BehavioralInspector/

* F-Script is now included in the ESUG CD-ROM. This CD-ROM, produced by=20=

the European Smalltalk User Group, contains tons of great Smalltalk=20
resources: many Smalltalk environments (VisualWorks, Squeak,=20
GnuSmalltalk, Smalltalk/X etc.), free books, lectures, articles, videos=20=

and more. You can download the content or order the CD at
http://www.ira.uka.de/~marcus/EsugcD.html.

* HOM (Higher Order Messaging) lets you write object-oriented code at a=20=

higher level. F-Script=92s object/array programming model provides=20
advanced support for this approach. While F-Script has been designed=20
with some kind of HOM support in mind, it is also possible to apply HOM=20=

techniques with some existing object-oriented languages and/or for=20
other usage patterns. The new wiki page at
http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/HigherOrderMessaging
presents HOM in the context of Objective-C. You may also look at this=20
set of slides from Marcel Weiher:
http://www.metaobject.com/papers/HOM-Presentation.pdf
Marcel has created  interesting HOM concepts and techniques, and=20
provides implementations for Objective-C and Smalltalk. This work has=20
inspired implementations for other languages such as Ruby.

Best,

Phil=

Hi,

The release candidate announced here a few days ago has been released as =
 "F-Script 1.2.3".=20

Release notes available on-line at =
http://www.fscript.org/1_2_3_release_notes/
You can download from http://www.fscript.org/download/download.htm

Spread the word!

Best,

Phil

Hi,

F-Script 1.2.3 candidate release is now available for download and test.

Binaries + documentation ->
http://www.fscript.org/download/FScriptBin-20021105.tar.gz

Sources ->
http://www.fscript.org/download/FScriptSources-20021105.tar.gz

It comes with a number of improvements and new features: a new 
graphical array inspector, an improved and customizable object browser, 
a feature simmilar to FSA's "associate with interface", support for 
pointers etc. See the included release note for details.

I plan to publicly announce the release in a few days if no major 
problems are found in this version.

Best,

Phil

F-Script Anywhere 1.1.5 has been released by Nicholas Riley.
This version adds a window list to the embedded FSA menu, works around a bug
in Mac OS X 10.1.5 which caused startup crashes when examining certain
Carbon CFM applications, such as BBEdit 6.5.3, and does a better job of
identifying Cocoa applications in Jaguar, in particular Spring.

You can download F-Script Anywhere at
http://web.sabi.net/nriley/software/#fsa

Thanks to Pejvan BEIGUI of the ProjectOmega team, a french version of the
article "Browsing Cocoa with F-Script" has been published at
http://projectomega.online.fr/contents/fr/php/article.php?php=oreilly_fscrip
t2

Best,

Phil

Hi,

A bunch of F-Script related news:

- The European Smalltalk User Group becomes sponsor of the F-Script project.

- Developer preview version of F-Script 1.2.3 released.

- New F-Script presentation "F-Script: Smalltalk Scripting for Mac OS X"
(with screenshots) released.

- French version of "Scripting Cocoa with F-Script" published.

Full coverage at http://www.fscript.org/news.htm

Phil

The new F-Script Anywhere 1.1.4 includes Jaguar compatibility and a few
cosmetic changes. Download from:

http://web.sabi.net/nriley/software/#fsa

Phil

Hi Bob,

Thanks a lot for sharing all of this with us. F-Script is designed to be
used the way you do, so chances are good that you will benefit from most of
the F-Script features, present and future. Actually, F-Script was inspired
by a language used by nuclear physicians to access their Fortran procedures
from an interactive environment and play freely with their data.

> During compilation I've been receiving the following (apparently
> benign) warning:
>
> /usr/bin/ld: warning prebinding disabled because dependent library:
> /Users/pmougin/allFscript/FScript/build/UninstalledProducts/
> FScript.framework/Versions/A/FScript
> is not prebound

I'm not well versed into the subtleties of prebinding, but from what I know
you can safely ignore this warning.

> I might think about coding a set of PGPLOT bindings for F-Script so that
> one can generate nice publication-quality plots with it.

F-Script should really provide user-friendly graphic capacities for data
visualization. For now, you have access from F-Script to the relatively
low-level graphic stuff provided by Cocoa (i.e. NSBezierPath).
If you build something in this area, or if you experiment with the
integration of a third party framework, I would be quite interested to know
about it.

>Has anybody
> attempted this or something similar? In fact, does anyone know of anything
> that will let me do basic plots of X-Y data in an NSView that I can also
> embed in my program?

Maybe Aquaterm (http://aquaterm.sourceforge.net/) could help.

Best,

Phil

> Could you share with us the way you are using F-Script?

Sure. I'd be curious if others are doing vaguely the same thing. But bear
in mind I've only been using F-Script for about 72 hours (just discovered
it). On the other hand I can tell I'll be using it very heavily from now
on.

Short Version:

To make a long story short, I've embedded an FSInterpreterView into an
Objective-C document-based Cocoa app dominated by an NSTableView, and am
using F-Script to let the user (me and my graduate students) manipulate
data in the table directly in arbitrarily complex ways. The array-based
F-Script syntax makes complex filtering and data manipulation really easy.

Long Version (probably boring):

I'm an astronomer who's speciality is automated classification of galaxy
images (mostly taken with the Hubble Space Telescope). A while ago I wrote
a command line-driven C program that takes an image as input and outputs a
text data file with measurements of something like 30 properties for each
galaxy. This means that for each project I'm working on I've got one or
more directories with hundreds/thousands of text files representing a
galaxy sample of interest. Sounds like an application crying out for a
relational database, I know, but in the past I've dealt with the problem
of analyzing the total sample using a bunch of kludgy perl/awk/shell
scripts, but I finally decided I need something better (since my PhD
students are not as nerdly as I am, and I feel guilty about asking them to
hack my amateurish and ugly mismash scripts needed to get the job done).

My first thought was to write some program that stores all my information
in a relational database, but then it seems to me I'll just be forcing my
students to learn SQL (in addition to perl/awk/shell scripting, etc) which
is not the (short term) goal. [Of course they ultimately have to learn the
full gamut of UNIX tools, but if one throws them in with both feet I've
found some students wind up hating life]. Plus it looks to me like
programs like iTunes can do a pretty good job of organizing disparate
collections of MP3 files etc, so what I want is something along those
lines to organize my collection of galaxy images. 

So I've just written/am writing a Cocoa/Objective-C program that trolls
through my directory system looking for the output files from my galaxy
analysis program, imports the files, parses the information in them, and
displays the results in a NSTableView. It indeed kind-of does for my
collection of galaxy images what iTunes does for a collection MP3s.  Each
each row in the table corresponds to a galaxy image file, double clicking
on the row for a particular galaxy displays the object in a window which
lets you manipulate it, etc etc. So far it works great. I've only been
working on it in my spare time for a couple of weeks (simultaneously with
trying to learn Cocoa) but it's actually surprisingly usable already...
I'm amazed at how fast one can develop stuff in Cocoa.

Anyway, just like the way much of the usefulness of iTunes is in letting
you organize your music into subsets, in order for my program to be useful
to me and my students it will need to let us organize the data, filter it
in complex ways, calculate statistics from the sample, take subsets from
the sample, etc. I could dump the information to a text file and do the
calculations externally, but then I'm back in awk/perl land. A nicer
approach would be to manipulate the objects feeding the table from within
the program, but until learning about F-Script I was wondering how to
manipulate the data feeding the NSTableView Cocoa object in a general way
(for example, amongst the infinite number of things we might want to do is
restrict some analysis to all galaxies with a certain class with a median
area above some value, and then work out the mean value of a bunch of
galaxy properties. That sort of thing, but one certainly can't anticipate
beforehand what one will want to do with the data.).  Since manipulation
of the data in the table needs to be general, and the data analysis is
inherently array based, embedding F-Script is perfect for this
application. It replaces having to filter millions of little ascii text
files with awk and perl, and since the F-Script sytax automatically
threads over arrays no serious programming is needed to do really
complicated stuff (I don't feel guilty about making my students learn the
small amount of F-Script needed since it will take all of 30 seconds).  
Plus embedding the interpreter was trivially easy to do (you can see I'm
hugely impressed).

I might think about coding a set of PGPLOT bindings for F-Script so that
one can generate nice publication-quality plots with it. Has anybody
attempted this or something similar? In fact, does anyone know of anything
that will let me do basic plots of X-Y data in an NSView that I can also
embed in my program?

Cheers,

Bob

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Hi ---

Firstly, I'd like to thank anyone/everyone involved with F-Script. I'm
blown away by how cool and useful it is.

Secondly, may I ask a (probably stupid) question? I'm compiling a project
which uses an FSInterpreterView (dragged into a window via the IB Palette)
to provide an in-application scripting environment to manipulate my apps
objects. During compilation I've been receiving the following (apparently
benign) warning: 

/usr/bin/ld: warning prebinding disabled because dependent library: 
/Users/pmougin/allFscript/FScript/build/UninstalledProducts/FScript.framework/Versions/A/FScript 
is not prebound

Can anybody clarify what I need to do to make it go away? It seems from
this that frameworks as well as apps have prebindings to make them load
faster. If so, do I need to update prebindings or something? (I know how
to do this tediously from the command line... but it takes forever and I'd
rather not do it if I don't have to. Presumably if that is the problem it
will go away next time I use an installer for another app that updates all
the app prebindings).

Regards,

Bob Abraham (an F-Script newbie)

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