f-script-talk — Discussion about F-Script and related subjects

[F-Script-talk] [ADMIN] F-Script-talk closing its doors

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

I'm definitely closing the doors of the F-Script-talk mailing list. No  
new message will be taken, but archives will still be available.

Questions and discussions about F-Script are welcome in the new F- 
Script group at http://groups.google.com/group/f-script

See you there!

Philippe Mougin

Re: [F-Script-talk] F-Script Browser not working in FS 2.0b1

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Hi Peter,

For it to work you must first have F-Script loaded inside the  
application you want to explore. The easiest way to do that is to  
inject F-Script at run-time into your target application using "F- 
Script Anywhere", which is located in the "Extras" directory in the  
distribution.

Philippe

PS: This mailing list is no longer active. Instead, you should use the  
F-Script group at http://groups.google.com/group/f-script

Le 30 janv. 09 à 23:00, Peter Hartmann a écrit :
>
> Philippe,
>
> if I got right what you were saying in various interviews and podcasts
> you gave, the object browser is supposed to work with any given Cocoa
> application.
>
> In fact, it does not seem so.
> Please correct me if I do something wrong:
> - I launch the F-Script app.
> - in the object browser I click Select View.
> - the cursor changes to a little cross.
> - when moving the cursor over any interface elements within F-Script
> app, they get hilited and the class name and pointer address is
> displayed.
> - when I move the cursor outside F-Script.app, however, on a window by
> Mail.app or iTunes.app for instance, nothing like this happens, no
> hiliting etc. and a click is simply a normal click without F-Script
> being involved at all - it simply does not work, but from what you
> were talking about it is supposed to work, isn't it?
>
> Was this supposed to work for earlier versions of F-Script, too?
> If so, it never worked for me.
> I was quite startled to listen to you talking about this feature.
>
> => Currently F-Script can only inspect itself, but not any other
> application.
>
> I am on OS 10.5.6 on a Dual Processor PPC 867 MHz.
>
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[F-Script-talk] F-Script Browser not working in FS 2.0b1

[Peter H. <pet...@fr...>]

Philippe,

if I got right what you were saying in various interviews and podcasts  
you gave, the object browser is supposed to work with any given Cocoa  
application.

In fact, it does not seem so.
Please correct me if I do something wrong:
- I launch the F-Script app.
- in the object browser I click Select View.
- the cursor changes to a little cross.
- when moving the cursor over any interface elements within F-Script  
app, they get hilited and the class name and pointer address is  
displayed.
- when I move the cursor outside F-Script.app, however, on a window by  
Mail.app or iTunes.app for instance, nothing like this happens, no  
hiliting etc. and a click is simply a normal click without F-Script  
being involved at all - it simply does not work, but from what you  
were talking about it is supposed to work, isn't it?

Was this supposed to work for earlier versions of F-Script, too?
If so, it never worked for me.
I was quite startled to listen to you talking about this feature.

=> Currently F-Script can only inspect itself, but not any other  
application.

I am on OS 10.5.6 on a Dual Processor PPC 867 MHz.

___ Peter Hartmann ________

mailto:hph...@ju...

[F-Script-talk] Cannot build F-Script 1.3.5 on Mac OSX Leopard 10.5.6 with XCode 3

[trier <tr...@bu...>]

I posted the following build failure as a macports ticket, but I thought I'd follow it up with this F-Script forum, as people here may an idea of why the build is failing:

http://trac.macports.org/ticket/18129



I have noticed that previous F-Script build errors have been reported (#17130, #16580), but I seem to be getting a different type of compilation error:

In file included from /Volumes/NetworkDrive/opt/local/var/macports/build/_Volumes_NetworkDrive_opt_local_var_macports_sources_rsync.macports.org_release_ports_aqua_FScript/work/FScriptSources-20070421/FScript/JGAdditions/FSServicesProvider.m:6: /Volumes/NetworkDrive/opt/local/var/macports/build/_Volumes_NetworkDrive_opt_local_var_macports_sources_rsync.macports.org_release_ports_aqua_FScript/work/FScriptSources-20070421/FScript/F-Script/FScriptAppController.h:4:24: error: Cocoa/cocoa.h: No such file or directory

This seems to be a more basic type of error. The compiler cannot even find cocoa.h. I installed XCode3, and I notice that on my machine, I have:

/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk/System/Library/Fameworks/Cocoa.framework

in place.

I am not familiar enough with Cocoa and Objective-C to figure out which directory and which header file it is looking for, so I am uncertain if that is the correct path for the compiler to be looking.

Has anyone else encountered this error, or do I have something missing on my system?

Thanks.

[F-Script-talk] fscript Command Line Tool 2.2

[Andrew W. <wei...@wi...>]

Hello everyone,

I just posted version 2.2 of the fscript Command Line Tool. This  
version has the following changes:

  - Incorporates Phillipe Mougin's patch to provide compatibility with  
F-Script 2.0 alpha 6
  - Updates the integrated Perl-Compatible Regular Expressions Library  
to version 7.8
  - (Major change) To reduce namespace pollution, the filehandles  
"in", "out", and "err", as well as some other global variables, are  
now methods on the global "sys" object.

You can download the tool from:

	http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~weinrich/projects/fscript/index.html

Please send me any reports of problems or incompatibilities.

Thanks,
Andrew Weinrich

[F-Script-talk] [ANN] F-Script Google group (mailing list transition)

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Dear F-Script-talk subscribers,

We are having random and seemingly unfixable problems with the current  
mailing list (unreliability, broken archives...)

To fix this, I have created a Google group dedicated to F-Script  
discussions and technical support. Hopefully, it should be more  
reliable. It also offers additional functionalities.

I invite you to join this group and to use it in place of this mailing  
list.

The group is at http://groups.google.com/group/f-script

Best,

Philippe Mougin

Re: [F-Script-talk] fscript Command Line Tool and Alpha 6

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Le 7 oct. 08 à 02:54, Larry Staton Jr. a écrit :

> I installed Alpha 6 today and then tried to run fscript from the
> command line. I received the following error:
>
> dyld: Symbol not found: _OBJC_CLASS_$_System
>  Referenced from: /usr/bin/fscript
>  Expected in: /Library/Frameworks/FScript.framework/Versions/A/FScript
>
> zsh: trace trap  fscript
>
> Thoughts?

Thanks for the report.

I have uploaded a patched version of the fscript command line tool   
executable at http://www.fscript.org/download/fscriptCommandLineTool/fscript.zip

It should work with F-Script 2.0 alpha 6.

Hopefully the patch will be integrated in the main distribution soon.

Best,

Philippe

[F-Script-talk] fscript Command Line Tool and Alpha 6

[Larry S. Jr. <la...@sw...>]

I installed Alpha 6 today and then tried to run fscript from the
command line. I received the following error:

dyld: Symbol not found: _OBJC_CLASS_$_System
  Referenced from: /usr/bin/fscript
  Expected in: /Library/Frameworks/FScript.framework/Versions/A/FScript

zsh: trace trap  fscript

Thoughts?

Re: [F-Script-talk] Unable to use F-Script Anywhere

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Le 23 sept. 08 à 04:37, Larry Staton Jr. a écrit :

[...]

> This is interesting. I'm using Mac OS X 10.5.5 with F-Script Anywhere
> 1.3.1 to inject into Bee Docs' Timeline 3D. Every time that I try to
> install FSA into Timeline, the process fails and I receive the
> following message in the Console:
>
> [0x0-0x1e01e].net.sabi.FScriptAnywhereApp[254] libMatch: for
> architecture i386 object:
> /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder
> malformed object (unknown load command 9)
>
> [0x0-0x1e01e].net.sabi.FScriptAnywhereApp[254] libMatch: for
> architecture ppc7400 object:
> /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder
> malformed object (unknown load command 8)
>
> I note that F-Script Anywhere works as expected with every other  
> application.
>
> Any thoughts?

Larry,

I got the same problem when trying to inject into TimeLine: it does  
not work. I tried both with the F-Script 1.3.5 framework and the F- 
Script 2.0 alpha framework.

I believe the messages you got in the console are not related to this  
problem, but merely comes from the way FSA looks for currently running  
Cocoa apps to refresh its apps list.

I cc Nicholas, who might have some ideas about why we can't inject  
into Timeline...

Best,

Philippe

Re: [F-Script-talk] Unable to use F-Script Anywhere

[Nicholas R. <nj...@ui...>]

Hi folks,

Unfortunately I'm extremely busy until the end of next week, but will
look at it thereafter if I have a minute.  Please feel free to remind
me if I forget.

As Philippe said, the errors in the console just have to do with
application matching (and in the next version of FSA, whenever I get
around to it, this rather complex and fragile matching mechanism will
be gone, as pretty much every app can be treated as a Cocoa app these
days.)

Thanks,

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 05:23:44PM +0200, Philippe Mougin wrote:
> 
> Le 23 sept. 08 à 04:37, Larry Staton Jr. a écrit :
> 
> [...]
> 
> >This is interesting. I'm using Mac OS X 10.5.5 with F-Script Anywhere
> >1.3.1 to inject into Bee Docs' Timeline 3D. Every time that I try to
> >install FSA into Timeline, the process fails and I receive the
> >following message in the Console:
> >
> >[0x0-0x1e01e].net.sabi.FScriptAnywhereApp[254] libMatch: for
> >architecture i386 object:
> >/System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder
> >malformed object (unknown load command 9)
> >
> >[0x0-0x1e01e].net.sabi.FScriptAnywhereApp[254] libMatch: for
> >architecture ppc7400 object:
> >/System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder
> >malformed object (unknown load command 8)
> >
> >I note that F-Script Anywhere works as expected with every other  
> >application.
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> 
> Larry,
> 
> I got the same problem when trying to inject into TimeLine: it does  
> not work. I tried both with the F-Script 1.3.5 framework and the F- 
> Script 2.0 alpha framework.
> 
> I believe the messages you got in the console are not related to this  
> problem, but merely comes from the way FSA looks for currently running  
> Cocoa apps to refresh its apps list.
> 
> I cc Nicholas, who might have some ideas about why we can't inject  
> into Timeline...
> 
> Best,
> 
> Philippe

-- 
Nicholas Riley <nj...@ui...> | <http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/njriley>

[F-Script-talk] Unable to use F-Script Anywhere

[Larry S. Jr. <la...@sw...>]

> Le 15 août 08 à 04:07, Wesley Moore a écrit :

>> Hi all,
>> I'm attempting to learn to use F-Script for use as a development tool and to present my findings at Melbourne CocoaHeads[1]. However I can't seem to get F-Script >> Anywhere to work. I'm having the same trouble that Peter Hartmann posted about.

> Hi Wesley,
>
> Here is a workaround posted by Peter J.Hartmann:
>
> Launch the app from the terminal using:
> sudo /Applications/Programming/FScriptBin/F-Script\ Anywhere.app/Contents/MacOS/F-Script\ Anywhere
>
> And here is a workaround provided by Nicholas Riley:
>
> At least for the time being, you can work around any code signing
> issues by changing the permissions on the F-Script Anywhere binary
> (not the bundle). This process is deprecated but still works in 10.5.
>
> % cd /path/to/F-Script\ Anywhere.app/Contents/MacOS
> % ls -l F-Script\ Anywhere
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 nicholas nicholas 579K Oct 12 2007 F-Script Anywhere*
> % sudo chmod g+s F-Script\ Anywhere
> % sudo chgrp procmod F-Script\ Anywhere
> % ls -l F-Script\ Anywhere
> -rwxr-sr-x 1 nicholas procmod 579K Oct 12 2007 F-Script Anywhere*

> Then quit and restart F-Script Anywhere if it was running.
>
> In last resort, Nicholas also notes that waving a dead chicken over
> the keychain and rebooting repeatedly sometimes help!
>
> Lets us know if one of these workarounds work for you.

This is interesting. I'm using Mac OS X 10.5.5 with F-Script Anywhere
1.3.1 to inject into Bee Docs' Timeline 3D. Every time that I try to
install FSA into Timeline, the process fails and I receive the
following message in the Console:

[0x0-0x1e01e].net.sabi.FScriptAnywhereApp[254] libMatch: for
architecture i386 object:
/System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder
malformed object (unknown load command 9)

[0x0-0x1e01e].net.sabi.FScriptAnywhereApp[254] libMatch: for
architecture ppc7400 object:
/System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder
malformed object (unknown load command 8)

I note that F-Script Anywhere works as expected with every other application.

Any thoughts?

Re: [F-Script-talk] Lists of Messages?

[Doug R. <dou...@al...>]

Thanks.

performSelector works well.

I have been avoiding learning Objective-C but it kind of looks like  
you pretty much need to get f-script!





On 21-Aug-08, at 6:18 AM, Philippe Mougin wrote:

>
> Le 21 août 08 à 14:22, Doug Ransom a écrit :
>
>> Is it possible to send a list of messages to a sender in F-Script?  I
>> noticed classic smalltalk had a perform: method which looked clumsy!
>>
>> I would like to do something  like
>>
>> a foo ; bar;  ranch;
>>
>> except to have an array of the results.
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> You could do:
>
> {a foo, a bar, a ranch}
>
> or, using performSelector:
>
> a performSelector:@{#foo, #bar, #ranch}
>
> Does it suits your needs?
>
> Philippe

Doug Ransom
dou...@al...
http://www.underdoug.ca

Re: [F-Script-talk] Lists of Messages?

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Le 21 août 08 à 14:22, Doug Ransom a écrit :

> Is it possible to send a list of messages to a sender in F-Script?  I
> noticed classic smalltalk had a perform: method which looked clumsy!
>
> I would like to do something  like
>
> a foo ; bar;  ranch;
>
> except to have an array of the results.

Hi Doug,

You could do:

{a foo, a bar, a ranch}

or, using performSelector:

a performSelector:@{#foo, #bar, #ranch}

Does it suits your needs?

Philippe

[F-Script-talk] Lists of Messages?

[Doug R. <dou...@al...>]

Is it possible to send a list of messages to a sender in F-Script?  I  
noticed classic smalltalk had a perform: method which looked clumsy!

I would like to do something  like

a foo ; bar;  ranch;

except to have an array of the results.


Doug Ransom
dou...@al...
http://www.underdoug.ca

Re: [F-Script-talk] Unable to use F-Script Anywhere

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Le 15 août 08 à 04:07, Wesley Moore a écrit :

> Hi all,
> I'm attempting to learn to use F-Script for use as a development tool
> and to present my findings at Melbourne CocoaHeads[1]. However I can't
> seem to get F-Script Anywhere to work. I'm having the same trouble
> that Peter Hartmann posted about.

Hi Wesley,

Here is a workaround posted by Peter J.Hartmann:

Launch the app from the terminal using:
sudo /Applications/Programming/FScriptBin/F-Script\ Anywhere.app/ 
Contents/MacOS/F-Script\ Anywhere

And here is a workaround provided by Nicholas Riley:

At least for the time being, you can work around any code signing  
issues by changing the permissions on the F-Script Anywhere binary  
(not the bundle).  This process is deprecated but still works in 10.5.

% cd /path/to/F-Script\ Anywhere.app/Contents/MacOS
% ls -l F-Script\ Anywhere
-rwxr-xr-x  1 nicholas  nicholas   579K Oct 12  2007 F-Script Anywhere*
% sudo chmod g+s F-Script\ Anywhere
% sudo chgrp procmod F-Script\ Anywhere
% ls -l F-Script\ Anywhere
-rwxr-sr-x  1 nicholas  procmod   579K Oct 12  2007 F-Script Anywhere*

Then quit and restart F-Script Anywhere if it was running.

In last resort, Nicholas also notes that waving a dead chicken over  
the keychain and rebooting repeatedly sometimes help!

Lets us know if one of these workarounds work for you.

Philippe

[F-Script-talk] Unable to use F-Script Anywhere

[Wesley M. <wj...@gm...>]

Hi all,
I'm attempting to learn to use F-Script for use as a development tool
and to present my findings at Melbourne CocoaHeads[1]. However I can't
seem to get F-Script Anywhere to work. I'm having the same trouble
that Peter Hartmann posted about.

I'm using the current stable distribution[2] from the F-Script
homepage. From what I've read[3] it should just work in Leopard. I'm
using a week only Mac Pro with 10.5.4. Running F-Script Anywhere for
the first time prompted for my admin password, installed the framework
successfully (in ~/Library/Frameworks). When I attempt to inject into
a process I get the following message:

F-Script Anywhere was unable to install itself in the selected
application (process ID 278), because F-Script Anywhere must be
installed in a Cocoa application running as the current user.
You may be attempting to install in a setuid application, which is not
supported.
The application may have crashed; restart it if needed.

The application in question is just the developer sample Sketch. Any
help would be most appreciated.

Regards,
Wes

[1] http://www.melbournecocoaheads.com/
[2] http://www.fscript.org/download/FScriptBin-20080516.tar.gz
[3] http://osiris.laya.com/blog/?p=24

Re: [F-Script-talk] NSBundle bundleWithPath and 2.0 alpha

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

It looks like an architecture mismatch. In particular, make sure that  
you load bundles compiled for a 32 bit architecture in an instance of  
F-Script running in 32 bit mode (same for 64 bit). Also, if a bundle  
does not support garbage collection, it will not load into the GC  
version of F-Script.

To make F-Script run in 32 bit mode, you can use the Finder inspector  
on F-Script.app and check the "open in 32 bits" checkbox.
To produce a version of F-Script that runs in non-GC mode, just change  
the GC flag in the build properties of the F-Script target in Xcode  
and recompile.

Best,

Philippe

Le 7 août 08 à 23:24, J.C.Burns a écrit :

>
> On the version 2.0 alphas of F-Script, I've run into problems loading
> frameworks.
>
> (NSBundle bundleWithPath:'~/Documents/cocoa/MCPKit_bin_3.0.1/
> MCPKit_bundled.framework') load
>
> ...and other frameworks like this return nil, with no explanation in
> the system log and
>
> (NSBundle bundleWithPath:'/Library/Frameworks/GData.framework') load
>
> returns false, with
>
> Aug  7 16:46:46 gemela F-Script[55384]: Error loading /Library/
> Frameworks/GData.framework/GData:  dlopen(/Library/Frameworks/
> GData.framework/GData, 265): no suitable image found.  Did find:\n	/
> Library/Frameworks/GData.framework/GData: no matching architecture in
> universal wrapper\n	/Library/Frameworks/GData.framework/GData: no
> matching architecture in universal wrapper
>
> in there.
>
> (NSBundle bundleWithPath:'/Library/Frameworks/MacFUSE.framework') load
>
> also returns false.
>
>
> Is this just broken because it's an alpha?
>
>
>
> Thanks...
>
> --jcburns
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[F-Script-talk] NSBundle bundleWithPath and 2.0 alpha

[J.C.Burns <jc...@fa...>]

On the version 2.0 alphas of F-Script, I've run into problems loading  
frameworks.

(NSBundle bundleWithPath:'~/Documents/cocoa/MCPKit_bin_3.0.1/ 
MCPKit_bundled.framework') load

...and other frameworks like this return nil, with no explanation in  
the system log and

(NSBundle bundleWithPath:'/Library/Frameworks/GData.framework') load

returns false, with

Aug  7 16:46:46 gemela F-Script[55384]: Error loading /Library/ 
Frameworks/GData.framework/GData:  dlopen(/Library/Frameworks/ 
GData.framework/GData, 265): no suitable image found.  Did find:\n	/ 
Library/Frameworks/GData.framework/GData: no matching architecture in  
universal wrapper\n	/Library/Frameworks/GData.framework/GData: no  
matching architecture in universal wrapper

in there.

(NSBundle bundleWithPath:'/Library/Frameworks/MacFUSE.framework') load

also returns false.


Is this just broken because it's an alpha?



Thanks...

--jcburns

[F-Script-talk] [ANN] F-Script 2.0 alpha 5

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Now available:

http://www.fscript.org/download/FScript_2_0_alpha.zip

Accompanying blog post:

http://pmougin.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/defining-methods-with-f-script/

Cheers,

Philippe

Re: [F-Script-talk] How can I create a dictionary?

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Hello Tommy,

F-Script does not support methods with variable argument list. Just  
use another method. For example:

NSDictionary dictionaryWithObjects:{1, 2} forKeys:{'one', 'two'}

Best,

Philippe

Le 1 août 08 à 02:18, Tommy Sundström a écrit :

> I need to create a dictionary. I tried to adapt the Objective C- 
> syntax like this:
>
> NSDictionary dictionaryWithObjectsAndKeys: 'Value', 'Key', nil
>
> But dictionaryWithObjectsAndKeys  will not accept more than one  
> argument. I've also tried different  versions of arrays and  
> parenteses, without success.
> What is the correct syntax?
>
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[F-Script-talk] How can I create a dictionary?

[Tommy S. <TO...@HE...>]

I need to create a dictionary. I tried to adapt the Objective C-syntax  
like this:



NSDictionary dictionaryWithObjectsAndKeys: 'Value', 'Key', nil


But dictionaryWithObjectsAndKeys  will not accept more than one  
argument. I've also tried different  versions of arrays and  
parenteses, without success.

What is the correct syntax?


/Tommy Sundström

Re: [F-Script-talk] fscript command line errors

[Andrew W. <wei...@wi...>]

Mark,

First, make sure that you are using compatible versions of the FScript  
framework and fscript command-line tool. If you are using version 2 of  
one, you must use version 2 of the other. Also, move the FScript  
framework out of your home directry and into /Library/Frameworks, as  
that is where the command-line tool expects it to be found.

Andrew


On Jul 27, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Mark Carter wrote:

> I try to run the fscript command line tool, but I get
>
>
> picasso:~ mcarter$ fscript
> dyld: Library not loaded: @executable_path/../Frameworks/
> FScript.framework/Versions/A/FScript
>   Referenced from: /usr/bin/fscript
>   Reason: no suitable image found.  Did find:
> 	/Users/mcarter/Library/Frameworks/FScript.framework/Versions/A/
> FScript: no matching architecture in universal wrapper
> 	/Library/Frameworks/FScript.framework/Versions/A/FScript: no matching
> architecture in universal wrapper
> Trace/BPT trap
>
>
> Any ideas what the problem is?
>
> I have tried to build fscript from source, but I get linking errors.
>
> The problem is, without support for the command line, I think F-script
> has limited appeal.
>
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[F-Script-talk] fscript command line errors

[Mark C. <alt...@go...>]

I try to run the fscript command line tool, but I get


picasso:~ mcarter$ fscript
dyld: Library not loaded: @executable_path/../Frameworks/ 
FScript.framework/Versions/A/FScript
   Referenced from: /usr/bin/fscript
   Reason: no suitable image found.  Did find:
	/Users/mcarter/Library/Frameworks/FScript.framework/Versions/A/ 
FScript: no matching architecture in universal wrapper
	/Library/Frameworks/FScript.framework/Versions/A/FScript: no matching  
architecture in universal wrapper
Trace/BPT trap


Any ideas what the problem is?

I have tried to build fscript from source, but I get linking errors.

The problem is, without support for the command line, I think F-script  
has limited appeal. 

Re: [F-Script-talk] Bug? Multi-messaging gives different result

[Tommy S. <TO...@HE...>]

On 13 Jul 2008, at 18:33, Philippe Mougin wrote:

> Le 13 juil. 08 à 16:55, Tommy Sundström a écrit :
>
>> I've encountered an problem when using Scripting Bridge to control  
>> MindManager. (F-script 2.0 alpha 4) First some setup code:
>>
>> mindManager := SBApplication applicationWithBundleIdentifier:  
>> 'com.mindjet.mindmanager.7'
>> d := mindManager documents objectWithName: 'Applescript, Python och  
>> andra sätt att styra macen'
>>
>> Then if I do like this:
>>
>> > (d topics) task
>>
>> I get a list of SBObjects, like this one: <SBObject @0xbe16a0: task  
>> of MindManagerTopic id "3CABF503-13D3-487B-BA14-7E000E6AA2B7" of  
>> MindManagerDocument "Mindmap" of application "MindManager" (1263)>
>>
>> But, if I do like this:
>>
>> > (d topics at:1) task
>>
>> I get a MindManagerTask object, like this one: <MindManagerTask  
>> @0xbd2120: task of MindManagerTopic 1 of MindManagerDocument  
>> "Mindmap" of application "MindManager" (1263)>
>>
>> I'm a F-script newbee, but am I correct in assuming that these two  
>> operations are supposed to result in the same type of objects?
>
> In most situations, this is correct. When using the Scripting  
> Bridge, however, what these two operations are supposed to result in  
> are "equivalent objects" (i.e., objects that will exhibit the same  
> behavior, at the application semantic level, when used further).

In this case the objects are not equivalent, since the first version  
will not accept a percentComplete message, while the second one will.

(It's however easy to make an workaround using a loop to extract all  
objects in the MindManagerTask format.)

/Tommy

Re: [F-Script-talk] Bug? Multi-messaging gives different result

[Philippe M. <pm...@ac...>]

Le 13 juil. 08 à 16:55, Tommy Sundström a écrit :

> I've encountered an problem when using Scripting Bridge to control  
> MindManager. (F-script 2.0 alpha 4) First some setup code:
>
> mindManager := SBApplication applicationWithBundleIdentifier:  
> 'com.mindjet.mindmanager.7'
> d := mindManager documents objectWithName: 'Applescript, Python och  
> andra sätt att styra macen'
>
> Then if I do like this:
>
> > (d topics) task
>
> I get a list of SBObjects, like this one: <SBObject @0xbe16a0: task  
> of MindManagerTopic id "3CABF503-13D3-487B-BA14-7E000E6AA2B7" of  
> MindManagerDocument "Mindmap" of application "MindManager" (1263)>
>
> But, if I do like this:
>
> > (d topics at:1) task
>
> I get a MindManagerTask object, like this one: <MindManagerTask  
> @0xbd2120: task of MindManagerTopic 1 of MindManagerDocument  
> "Mindmap" of application "MindManager" (1263)>
>
> I'm a F-script newbee, but am I correct in assuming that these two  
> operations are supposed to result in the same type of objects?

In most situations, this is correct. When using the Scripting Bridge,  
however, what these two operations are supposed to result in are  
"equivalent objects" (i.e., objects that will exhibit the same  
behavior, at the application semantic level, when used further). What  
you see here is probably the result of behind-the-scene optimizations  
taking place here to lighten the cost of inter application  
communication (e.g., when possible, loops are offloaded to the remote  
application, instead of being performed locally by F-Script).

If the results are not "equivalent", then this is a bug either in F- 
Script, Apple's Scripting Bridge or the remote application itself.  
Note that using the Scripting Bridge (be it from Objective-C, F-Script  
or other languages) still appears to raise a number of issues and  
challenges. You can usually work around these issues by trials and  
errors.

Philippe