[exprla-devel] Re: [XPL] Re: XPL Working Draft

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--- In xpl-dev@y..., cagle@o... wrote:
Richard,

I'm actually in agreement with Michael on this -- we're talking about 
putting together an honest to god programming language here -- think 
Perl or Java or C++ and you get a pretty good idea about what that 
entails.

The best way to do this, IMHO, is to build the framework and 
language, get other people on board to critique and build, and get 
momentum behind it. I've written any number of proto-languages, and 
found that before you write a requirements spec together it helps to 
have a little clearer idea about what you want to have in there in 
the first place. I'd suggest that we put together the requirements 
document for our own use first, flesh out some first pass XPL working 
samples, then when we've got something solid enough submit the 
requirements doc to the W3C. This will take a while (take a look at 
Schemas, which are still not ratified after three years of intense 
negotiation), so there's no real need to hurry it.

-- Kurt
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Anthony Hein 
  To: xpl@e... 
  Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 7:32 AM
  Subject: RE: [XPL] Re: XPL Working Draft


  Michael,
   
  This is going to take a long time.  We won't submit anything until 
it's ready.  I am confused here; I thought of all the things we were 
going to do, submitting a Note (once ready) to the W3C was a sure 
thing.  When you say bigger players, they are also the ones who can 
fund real solid research, and I do think it's all opensource.  What 
makes you think it's not?
   
  Please tell me why you don't want to go to the W3C.  I am not 
saying let's go now, at all.  But you seem to be saying, we may not 
go ever.
   
  Richard A. Hein
   
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Michael Lauzon [mailto:ce940@f...]
    Sent: July 8, 2000 9:52 AM
    To: xpl@e...
    Subject: [XPL] Re: XPL Working Draft


    Richard, 

    I know you like the idea of submitting XPL to the W3C, but this
    should 
    wait a good while, remember XPL is open source; though I really 
    wouldn't call anything the W3C does as open source (though I am 
    probably wrong here).  So, let's get the framework down, and a
    working 
    copy of XPL first, before we decide to contact the bigger 
players, if 
    at all.  (Though if we did contact the W3C, XPL would have more 
    recognization).


    --- In xpl@e..., "Richard Anthony Hein" <935551@i...> wrote:
    > Hi everyone.  It's great that everyone seems keen again on 
getting 
    down to
    > some business.  I was starting to lose hope.  I hope now that 
soon 
    we will
    > have substantial gains made once we are able to answer the 
vital 
    questions
    > necessary to get to the next level:  establishing the actual 
    programming
    > model of XPL.  However, first we need to have a framework in 
place 
    in which
    > to operate.  Once this has become a reality, things will be 
much 
    more
    > organized, and we will all know where to put our ideas in order 
to 
    ensure
    > they are not lost in confusion, and will be addressed quickly.
    > 
    > In addition, this will encourage others to contribute where 
they 
    can, by
    > making it easier for them to focus on their strengths, access 
    information
    > related to their ideas and contributions more effectively, and 
have 
    an all
    > around better idea of the current and ongoing state of XPL.
    > 
    > Since this is a cooperative effort, I am asking you all to look 
at 
    this
    > table of contents, and add your points to the list of items 
where
    > appropriate (please refrain from writing up issues - just 
points at 
    issue
    > will be included).  Feel free to discuss, disseminate, and add 
    anything you
    > feel is necessary towards the development of XPL.  Once we have 
    established
    > a framework of issues from which we can easily draw information
    from 
    and put
    > information into, we will be on the way to some serious 
development.
    > 
    > You may note that this TOC is somewhat similar to the Working
    Drafts 
    that
    > the W3C issues.  This is not an accident.  The goal of this 
entire 
    document
    > is to eventually have a completed draft.  As a working draft, 
this 
    document
    > will be made available online, at our website, with links to 
    messages which
    > relate to the specific points.  It is the hope that this will 
    facilitate
    > easy access to ongoing discussions, while providing everyone 
with 
    the
    > overall picture of the project as a whole.  The final version of
    the 
    draft,
    > which will be submitted as a Note to the W3C, will have only 
the 
    accepted
    > points.
    > 
    > =B7      Abstract
    > 
    > =B7      Mission Statement
    > 
    > =B7      Vision(s)
    > 
    > =B7      Scope
    > 
    > =B7      Design Goals (Accepted)
    > 
    > =B7      Design Goals (Under Review)
    > 
    > =B7      Requirements (Accepted)
    > 
    > =B7      Requirements (Under Review)
    > 
    > =B7      Terminology (Accepted)
    > 
    > =B7      Terminology (Under Review)
    > 
    > =B7      Semantics (Accepted)
    > o      Data Model
    > o      Production Rules
    > 
    > =B7      Semantics (Under Review)
    > o      Data Model
    > o      Production Rules
    > 
    > =B7      Syntax (Accepted)
    > o      XPL Elements and Attributes
    > o      Data Types
    > o      I/O
    > o      Patterns
    > o      Component Interaction
    > o      Object Model
    > 
    > =B7      Syntax (Under Review)
    > o      XPL Elements and Attributes
    > o      Data Types
    > o      I/O
    > o      Patterns
    > o      Component Interaction
    > o      Object Model
    > 
    > =B7      Appendices
    > References
    > Resources
    > 
    > Group Members and Acknowledgements
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > =3D=3D Richard Anthony Hein =3D=3D

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