[exprla-devel] [XPL] Goals (was RE: a domain name for XPL)

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--- In xpl-dev@y..., "Richard Anthony Hein" <935551@i...> wrote:
Great Mark, I am glad to read all this.  A couple of things  - I 
don't think
that we have established a clear goal yet; please tell me what you 
see that
has been established.  Maybe I am the only one confused about our 
goal for
XPL.  I have ideas, but they are not the same as other people's ideas 
here,
and I don't think there is a firm statement of purpose.

If you mean the concept of XPL-Fog, I am not sure if that has been 
accepted
(personally, I like that one line vision you stated).  I looked at the
messages relating to it, and saw Jonathan and Kurt in particular 
making some
very interesting comments, and what not, and then it dropped, 
seemingly
because it's out of scope, or maybe more to do with the idea of 
building a
evolving 'net and the implications of that.  That's pretty far into 
the
future (the evolving 'net), but I ask again, isn't that what the .NET
concept and J2EE (don't know enough about Oracle's me-too tech. .NOW) 
will
eventually lead to?  Anyhow ....

We need to clear this up.  That's what the requirements thing (what 
is XPL
required to accomplish) is supposed to clarify.  We haven't had nearly
enough discussion about the requirements Jonathan put up, so I am not 
ready
to say that these are established yet.  However, after we get the web 
site
up, then it should be easier to review that which has been pretty much
agreed upon.  We'll get there.

Everything else you mentioned, I am happy to hear, and certainly 
believe you
would be excellent in the role of community awareness/management.  I 
have no
problems with that.  There has to be some organization.  However, I 
don't
speak for the group.  This is exactly the type of thing that we need 
to
seriously work out.  There has got to be a forum to collaborate, and 
even
vote on issues (such as roles), and share code, check them in, 
etc....  Is
there an opensource app. available out there that anyone can suggest 
for
such a thing?  I don't think we will get very far without some instant
messaging and what not to collaborate, brainstorm, etc... with.  I 
would say
NetMeeting, but I highly doubt that everyone will be using Windows.

One last question; kind of embarrassing:  Who is Anthony, and what 
document
are you referring to?

Sincerely,

Richard A. Hein



 -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Wilson [mailto:mark_tracey@y...]
Sent: July 4, 2000 7:18 PM
To: xpl@e...
Subject: [XPL] Re: a domain name for XPL



  Richard, that is no problem.  I am all for supporting XPL (and 
XPipes
  and WorldOS and Metaset).  These are organic by-the-people and for-
  the-people project.

  Besides, I like hangin around smart people... makes me feel good.

  OK, so when you edit your page and make it a home, I will promote 
the
  hell out of it.

  My only suggestion is to SET EXPECTATIONS.  What this means is that
  first impressions count.  People will want to see documents like you
  provided Anthony.  They will want to know what he goal is (you have
  all estalished that quite well) and by comparing the MS, Oracle and
  Sun goals with your own will be VERY enticing.

  Have a clearly defined 1 line vision is important.  "To build a data
  cloud everyone can use" could be one.  Whatever.

  But, yes, when you have your sub-web up, I will promote it for you.

  In the longer run, with so many exciting projects floating around
  the .NET (aaargh, I couldn't resist it!) I would like to centralise
  them in a place where they can feed off each other.  I am good at
  this kind of stuff.

  (I am currently very into organic designs and natural systems, whee
  people with different needs cooperate to form a better whole, like
  VBXML does).

  WARNING:  I have seen many of these types of projects burn out in a
  twinkling of an eye.  They exist, they burn brightly, then they die.
  To avoid this, they sell out or get sponsors (WROX?) etc... Let's 
not
  do this.  All it takes is a clear vision, *community
  awareness/management* and constant momentum.

  If you guys ever assign roles to yourselves, I would like to take 
the
  role of community awareness/management - and the first thing I would
  do is have you move into the VBXML website and get more concrete
  about your steps going forward.

  Last comment.  I don't pretend to be an XSL guru.  I don't pretend 
to
  understand how you will build what you want to build.  But I really
  am keen to help you survive the first few years as a community - the
  aspect which technical groups usually lose focus on.

  Thoughts?

  Cheers,
  Mark.


  --- In xpl@e..., "Richard Anthony Hein" <935551@i...> wrote:
  > Mark,
  > I know we don't have much to link to, but can you put up something
  on
  > VBXML's main page to link to XPL's page?  Nobody knows we are
  there.  We
  > need more people to work on this.  Maybe wait a few days until I
  have my
  > compilation done, and people here now, especially our writers
  (Kurt :-)
  > reviews it and adds his comments and changes to it (ie. chops it
  up ;-)?
  >
  > Richard A. Hein
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: Mark Wilson [mailto:mark_tracey@y...]
  >   Sent: July 4, 2000 8:17 AM
  >   To: xpl@e...
  >   Subject: [XPL] Re: a domain name for XPL
  >
  >
  >
  >   OR!
  >
  >   you guys could simply move into the
  >   http://www.vbxml.com/xpl
  >   location I set up for you some time back.
  >
  >   That would bring 40 000 visitors each month into
  >   contact with this project - quite a boost!  Then when
  >   you have a URL, then move in there (if you still think
  >   you would be better off).
  >
  >   Thoughts?
  >
  >   Cheers,
  >   Mark.
  >
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