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[exprla-devel] Re: [XPL] BXXP - the answer to our transfer protocol prayers??

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--- In xpl-dev@y..., Lucas Gonze <lucas@g...> wrote:
I just met BXXP yesterday.  It looks pretty compelling.  It is
very similar to the WorldOS protocol, though with an ability to
layer multiple messages across a single stream.  The
request/response thing is somewhat different, since the WorldOS
stuff considers a request/response pair to be just a special case
of a message that can have 0 or n responses.

I'm going to read the spec slowly later tonight.  If I can use it
instead of worldos protocol I'll consider either switching or
adding it on to the toolkit as a standard option.

Anybody know if there is a java implementation, preferably under
the GPL?

> Richard Anthony Hein wrote:
> 
> The Blocks eXtensible eXchange Protocol (BXXP) was developed by
> Mashall Rose:
> 
> "BXXP is essentially a tool kit that developers can use to
> quickly create protocols for a range of applications including
> instant messaging, file transfer, content syndication, network
> management and metadata exchange. Because it uses a
> peer-to-peer architecture, BXXP is a good foundation for
> creating protocols that govern distributed file-sharing
> applications such as Gnutella, iMesh and Freenet."
> 
> "Application-specific protocols can be stacked on top of the
> reusable BXXP code, and developers can update the add-on
> protocols without changing the underlying BXXP foundation.
> 
> BXXP-enabled applications work by setting up and maintaining a
> network connection between two users, which can alternate
> between functioning as clients and servers. The two users can
> respond to requests for data as well as push data back and
> forth over a network connection.
> 
> One special feature of a BXXP connection is it can carry
> multiple simultaneous exchanges of data - called channels -
> between users. For example, users can chat and transfer files
> at the same time from one application that employs a network
> connection. BXXP uses XML to frame the information it carries,
> but the information can be in any form including images, data
> or text.
> 
> BXXP runs on top of TCP and acts as an alternative to HTTP or a
> custom-made data exchange protocol. HTTP was designed to handle
> the transport of hypertext documents and is ideal for Web
> browsing. However, HTTP doesn't work well for the transfer of
> XML data, nor does it support multiple simultaneous exchanges
> between users. For these types of applications, developers have
> to create their own special-purpose protocols. Now they can use
> BXXP to speed that process. "
> 
> Get more information at
> http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2000/0626bxxp.html (slow today),
> and follow a discussion at www.slashdot.org, where a variety of
> people will be discussing the ins-and-outs of BXXP.
> 
> What does Simon St. Laurent think about this, considering his
> view points expressed in earlier messages (Simon?)?  How does
> this compare to WorldOS (Lucas?)?
> 
> Richard A. Hein
> <plug>who has finished up his last contract and is now looking
> for a new job <email_ me> 935551@i...</email_me> </plug>
> 
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[exprla-devel] Re: [XPL] BXXP - the answer to our transfer protocol prayers??

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--- In xpl-dev@y..., Lucas Gonze <lucas@g...> wrote:
I haven't been able to find any public implementation at all. 
Does anyone know otherwise?

> Richard Anthony Hein wrote:
> 
> The Blocks eXtensible eXchange Protocol (BXXP) was developed by
> Mashall Rose:
> 
> "BXXP is essentially a tool kit that developers can use to
> quickly create protocols for a range of applications including
> instant messaging, file transfer, content syndication, network
> management and metadata exchange. Because it uses a
> peer-to-peer architecture, BXXP is a good foundation for
> creating protocols that govern distributed file-sharing
> applications such as Gnutella, iMesh and Freenet."
> 
> "Application-specific protocols can be stacked on top of the
> reusable BXXP code, and developers can update the add-on
> protocols without changing the underlying BXXP foundation.
> 
> BXXP-enabled applications work by setting up and maintaining a
> network connection between two users, which can alternate
> between functioning as clients and servers. The two users can
> respond to requests for data as well as push data back and
> forth over a network connection.
> 
> One special feature of a BXXP connection is it can carry
> multiple simultaneous exchanges of data - called channels -
> between users. For example, users can chat and transfer files
> at the same time from one application that employs a network
> connection. BXXP uses XML to frame the information it carries,
> but the information can be in any form including images, data
> or text.
> 
> BXXP runs on top of TCP and acts as an alternative to HTTP or a
> custom-made data exchange protocol. HTTP was designed to handle
> the transport of hypertext documents and is ideal for Web
> browsing. However, HTTP doesn't work well for the transfer of
> XML data, nor does it support multiple simultaneous exchanges
> between users. For these types of applications, developers have
> to create their own special-purpose protocols. Now they can use
> BXXP to speed that process. "
> 
> Get more information at
> http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2000/0626bxxp.html (slow today),
> and follow a discussion at www.slashdot.org, where a variety of
> people will be discussing the ins-and-outs of BXXP.
> 
> What does Simon St. Laurent think about this, considering his
> view points expressed in earlier messages (Simon?)?  How does
> this compare to WorldOS (Lucas?)?
> 
> Richard A. Hein
> <plug>who has finished up his last contract and is now looking
> for a new job <email_ me> 935551@i...</email_me> </plug>
> 
> 
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[exprla-devel] RE: [XPL] BXXP - the answer to our transfer protocol prayers??

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--- In xpl-dev@y..., "Richard Anthony Hein" <935551@i...> wrote:
Lucas, Invisible Worlds, who made BXXP are supposed to be releasing a 
public
toolkit this week sometime.

Richard A. Hein
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Lucas Gonze [mailto:lucas@g...]
  Sent: June 27, 2000 8:26 PM
  To: xpl@e...
  Subject: Re: [XPL] BXXP - the answer to our transfer protocol 
prayers??


  I haven't been able to find any public implementation at all.
  Does anyone know otherwise?

  > Richard Anthony Hein wrote:
  >
  > The Blocks eXtensible eXchange Protocol (BXXP) was developed by
  > Mashall Rose:
  >
  > "BXXP is essentially a tool kit that developers can use to
  > quickly create protocols for a range of applications including
  > instant messaging, file transfer, content syndication, network
  > management and metadata exchange. Because it uses a
  > peer-to-peer architecture, BXXP is a good foundation for
  > creating protocols that govern distributed file-sharing
  > applications such as Gnutella, iMesh and Freenet."
  >
  > "Application-specific protocols can be stacked on top of the
  > reusable BXXP code, and developers can update the add-on
  > protocols without changing the underlying BXXP foundation.
  >
  > BXXP-enabled applications work by setting up and maintaining a
  > network connection between two users, which can alternate
  > between functioning as clients and servers. The two users can
  > respond to requests for data as well as push data back and
  > forth over a network connection.
  >
  > One special feature of a BXXP connection is it can carry
  > multiple simultaneous exchanges of data - called channels -
  > between users. For example, users can chat and transfer files
  > at the same time from one application that employs a network
  > connection. BXXP uses XML to frame the information it carries,
  > but the information can be in any form including images, data
  > or text.
  >
  > BXXP runs on top of TCP and acts as an alternative to HTTP or a
  > custom-made data exchange protocol. HTTP was designed to handle
  > the transport of hypertext documents and is ideal for Web
  > browsing. However, HTTP doesn't work well for the transfer of
  > XML data, nor does it support multiple simultaneous exchanges
  > between users. For these types of applications, developers have
  > to create their own special-purpose protocols. Now they can use
  > BXXP to speed that process. "
  >
  > Get more information at
  > http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2000/0626bxxp.html (slow today),
  > and follow a discussion at www.slashdot.org, where a variety of
  > people will be discussing the ins-and-outs of BXXP.
  >
  > What does Simon St. Laurent think about this, considering his
  > view points expressed in earlier messages (Simon?)?  How does
  > this compare to WorldOS (Lucas?)?
  >
  > Richard A. Hein
  > <plug>who has finished up his last contract and is now looking
  > for a new job <email_ me> 935551@i...</email_me> </plug>
  >
  >
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[exprla-devel] RE: [XPL] BXXP - the answer to our transfer protocol prayers??

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--- In xpl-dev@y..., "Richard Anthony Hein" <935551@i...> wrote:
Ooops.  That should be next month, that a portal will be set up for
developers, and you can get the kits.  Spacekits are available now at
http://www.invisibleworlds.net in Java and Perl implementations.  I 
am not
sure if the Spacekits are the same thing, or an earlier version of 
what the
article I linked to below was talking about.

Richard A. Hein
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Richard Anthony Hein [mailto:935551@i...]
  Sent: June 27, 2000 8:40 PM
  To: xpl@e...
  Subject: RE: [XPL] BXXP - the answer to our transfer protocol 
prayers??


  Lucas, Invisible Worlds, who made BXXP are supposed to be releasing 
a
public toolkit this week sometime.

  Richard A. Hein
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Lucas Gonze [mailto:lucas@g...]
    Sent: June 27, 2000 8:26 PM
    To: xpl@e...
    Subject: Re: [XPL] BXXP - the answer to our transfer protocol 
prayers??


    I haven't been able to find any public implementation at all.
    Does anyone know otherwise?

    > Richard Anthony Hein wrote:
    >
    > The Blocks eXtensible eXchange Protocol (BXXP) was developed by
    > Mashall Rose:
    >
    > "BXXP is essentially a tool kit that developers can use to
    > quickly create protocols for a range of applications including
    > instant messaging, file transfer, content syndication, network
    > management and metadata exchange. Because it uses a
    > peer-to-peer architecture, BXXP is a good foundation for
    > creating protocols that govern distributed file-sharing
    > applications such as Gnutella, iMesh and Freenet."
    >
    > "Application-specific protocols can be stacked on top of the
    > reusable BXXP code, and developers can update the add-on
    > protocols without changing the underlying BXXP foundation.
    >
    > BXXP-enabled applications work by setting up and maintaining a
    > network connection between two users, which can alternate
    > between functioning as clients and servers. The two users can
    > respond to requests for data as well as push data back and
    > forth over a network connection.
    >
    > One special feature of a BXXP connection is it can carry
    > multiple simultaneous exchanges of data - called channels -
    > between users. For example, users can chat and transfer files
    > at the same time from one application that employs a network
    > connection. BXXP uses XML to frame the information it carries,
    > but the information can be in any form including images, data
    > or text.
    >
    > BXXP runs on top of TCP and acts as an alternative to HTTP or a
    > custom-made data exchange protocol. HTTP was designed to handle
    > the transport of hypertext documents and is ideal for Web
    > browsing. However, HTTP doesn't work well for the transfer of
    > XML data, nor does it support multiple simultaneous exchanges
    > between users. For these types of applications, developers have
    > to create their own special-purpose protocols. Now they can use
    > BXXP to speed that process. "
    >
    > Get more information at
    > http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2000/0626bxxp.html (slow today),
    > and follow a discussion at www.slashdot.org, where a variety of
    > people will be discussing the ins-and-outs of BXXP.
    >
    > What does Simon St. Laurent think about this, considering his
    > view points expressed in earlier messages (Simon?)?  How does
    > this compare to WorldOS (Lucas?)?
    >
    > Richard A. Hein
    > <plug>who has finished up his last contract and is now looking
    > for a new job <email_ me> 935551@i...</email_me> </plug>
    >
    >
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[exprla-devel] Re: [XPL] BXXP - the answer to our transfer protocol prayers??

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--- In xpl-dev@y..., Lucas Gonze <lucas@g...> wrote:
Spacekits are their proprietary stuff implementing the Blocks
metadata toolkit.  I believe we will have to wait to see BXXP.

odd - announcing an open source project ahead of release, and
submitting the protocol underneath a proprietary product to the
IETF prior to any public implementation.

> Richard Anthony Hein wrote:
> 
> Ooops.  That should be next month, that a portal will be set up
> for developers, and you can get the kits.  Spacekits are
> available now at http://www.invisibleworlds.net in Java and
> Perl implementations.  I am not sure if the Spacekits are the
> same thing, or an earlier version of what the article I linked
> to below was talking about.
> 
> Richard A. Hein
> 
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: Richard Anthony Hein [mailto:935551@i...]
>      Sent: June 27, 2000 8:40 PM
>      To: xpl@e...
>      Subject: RE: [XPL] BXXP - the answer to our transfer
>      protocol prayers??
> 
>      Lucas, Invisible Worlds, who made BXXP are supposed
>      to be releasing a public toolkit this week sometime.
> 
>      Richard A. Hein
> 
>           -----Original Message-----
>           From: Lucas Gonze [mailto:lucas@g...]
>           Sent: June 27, 2000 8:26 PM
>           To: xpl@e...
>           Subject: Re: [XPL] BXXP - the answer to our
>           transfer protocol prayers??
> 
>           I haven't been able to find any public
>           implementation at all.
>           Does anyone know otherwise?
> 
>           > Richard Anthony Hein wrote:
>           >
>           > The Blocks eXtensible eXchange Protocol
>           (BXXP) was developed by
>           > Mashall Rose:
>           >
>           > "BXXP is essentially a tool kit that
>           developers can use to
>           > quickly create protocols for a range of
>           applications including
>           > instant messaging, file transfer, content
>           syndication, network
>           > management and metadata exchange. Because
>           it uses a
>           > peer-to-peer architecture, BXXP is a good
>           foundation for
>           > creating protocols that govern
>           distributed file-sharing
>           > applications such as Gnutella, iMesh and
>           Freenet."
>           >
>           > "Application-specific protocols can be
>           stacked on top of the
>           > reusable BXXP code, and developers can
>           update the add-on
>           > protocols without changing the underlying
>           BXXP foundation.
>           >
>           > BXXP-enabled applications work by setting
>           up and maintaining a
>           > network connection between two users,
>           which can alternate
>           > between functioning as clients and
>           servers. The two users can
>           > respond to requests for data as well as
>           push data back and
>           > forth over a network connection.
>           >
>           > One special feature of a BXXP connection
>           is it can carry
>           > multiple simultaneous exchanges of data -
>           called channels -
>           > between users. For example, users can
>           chat and transfer files
>           > at the same time from one application
>           that employs a network
>           > connection. BXXP uses XML to frame the
>           information it carries,
>           > but the information can be in any form
>           including images, data
>           > or text.
>           >
>           > BXXP runs on top of TCP and acts as an
>           alternative to HTTP or a
>           > custom-made data exchange protocol. HTTP
>           was designed to handle
>           > the transport of hypertext documents and
>           is ideal for Web
>           > browsing. However, HTTP doesn't work well
>           for the transfer of
>           > XML data, nor does it support multiple
>           simultaneous exchanges
>           > between users. For these types of
>           applications, developers have
>           > to create their own special-purpose
>           protocols. Now they can use
>           > BXXP to speed that process. "
>           >
>           > Get more information at
>           >
>           http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2000/0626bxxp.html
>           (slow today),
>           > and follow a discussion at
>           www.slashdot.org, where a variety of
>           > people will be discussing the
>           ins-and-outs of BXXP.
>           >
>           > What does Simon St. Laurent think about
>           this, considering his
>           > view points expressed in earlier messages
>           (Simon?)?  How does
>           > this compare to WorldOS (Lucas?)?
>           >
>           > Richard A. Hein
>           > <plug>who has finished up his last
>           contract and is now looking
>           > for a new job <email_ me>
>           935551@i...</email_me> </plug>
>           >
>           >
>           >
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[exprla-devel] Re: [XPL] BXXP - the answer to our transfer protocol prayers??

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--- In xpl-dev@y..., Lucas Gonze <lucas@g...> wrote:
try this link:
http://www.sourcexchange.com/ProjectDetail?projectID=13
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[exprla-devel] Re: [XPL] BXXP - the answer to our transfer protocol prayers??

[reid_spencer <ras...@re...>]

--- In xpl-dev@y..., Lucas Gonze <lucas@g...> wrote:
try this link:
http://www.sourcexchange.com/ProjectDetail?projectID=13
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