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From: James F. <jam...@ex...> - 2010-03-24 20:41:59
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Hello All, This has been an interesting thread and reminded me a few things. Basically Open Source development, by its nature, is highly distributed and one of the challenges to work on is communication ... this is why so much good work happens at face to face meetings because there really is no substitute for talking and being with people in real time. Also I note there are lots of people using English as 2nd language which can be doubly difficult over email/chat. Email and chat hit limitations quickly and also asks a lot of energy from both sender and receiver to parse and understand. So we are proposing a new experiment ... nothing too ground breaking but should be easy to setup as well as go as quickly as possible to understanding Evgeny cool stuff and address Dannes concerns all at the same time. So the big (not in capitals) idea is ......... If Evgeny has a laptop with a webcam then I can set him up to do a video broadcast ... so he can in realtime explain the work done ... whilst he is broadcasting we can all be on IRC and I can act as moderator of the broadcast. Its easy for me to setup (as I just did it again for XML Prague) and works really well ... and is superior to skype as it gives Evgeny a forum to speak without too may people interrupting. So ... Evgeny are you up for it ? If so go onto irc to existdb and we can work out the technical details together then we can announce time/date for this 'performance' ! James Fuller |
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From: Dmitriy S. <sha...@gm...> - 2010-03-24 20:52:16
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I do understand that it quite difficult to have all at F2F meeting. May be, we should organize calls to discuss problems. It will mean that eXist open not by mail-lists, but by talks too. (not often, ones a month or around) On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 21:41 +0100, James Fuller wrote: > Hello All, > > > This has been an interesting thread and reminded me a few things. > > > Basically Open Source development, by its nature, is highly > distributed and one of the challenges to work on is communication ... > this is why so much good work happens at face to face meetings because > there really is no substitute for talking and being with people in > real time. Also I note there are lots of people using English as 2nd > language which can be doubly difficult over email/chat. > > > Email and chat hit limitations quickly and also asks a lot of energy > from both sender and receiver to parse and understand. > > > So we are proposing a new experiment ... nothing too ground breaking > but should be easy to setup as well as go as quickly as possible to > understanding Evgeny cool stuff and address Dannes concerns all at the > same time. > > > So the big (not in capitals) idea is ......... > > > If Evgeny has a laptop with a webcam then I can set him up to do a > video broadcast ... so he can in realtime explain the work done ... > whilst he is broadcasting we can all be on IRC and I can act as > moderator of the broadcast. > > > Its easy for me to setup (as I just did it again for XML Prague) and > works really well ... and is superior to skype as it gives Evgeny a > forum to speak without too may people interrupting. > > > So ... Evgeny are you up for it ? If so go onto irc to existdb and we > can work out the technical details together then we can announce > time/date for this 'performance' ! > > > James Fuller > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval > Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs > proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. > See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev > _______________________________________________ Exist-development mailing list Exi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/exist-development -- Cheers, Dmitriy Shabanov |
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From: Loren C. <lor...@gm...> - 2010-03-24 21:59:13
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I agree that a monthly conference call would be a good thing. We should try to agree on a week of the month and day of week, like the 2nd Sunday of the month. We would have to come up with a time of day that we all can reasonably attend. On Mar 24, 2010, at 03:50 PM, Dmitriy Shabanov wrote: > I do understand that it quite difficult to have all at F2F meeting. May > be, we should organize calls to discuss problems. It will mean that > eXist open not by mail-lists, but by talks too. (not often, ones a month > or around) > > On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 21:41 +0100, James Fuller wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> >> This has been an interesting thread and reminded me a few things. >> >> >> Basically Open Source development, by its nature, is highly >> distributed and one of the challenges to work on is communication ... >> this is why so much good work happens at face to face meetings because >> there really is no substitute for talking and being with people in >> real time. Also I note there are lots of people using English as 2nd >> language which can be doubly difficult over email/chat. >> >> >> Email and chat hit limitations quickly and also asks a lot of energy >> from both sender and receiver to parse and understand. >> >> >> So we are proposing a new experiment ... nothing too ground breaking >> but should be easy to setup as well as go as quickly as possible to >> understanding Evgeny cool stuff and address Dannes concerns all at the >> same time. >> >> >> So the big (not in capitals) idea is ......... >> >> >> If Evgeny has a laptop with a webcam then I can set him up to do a >> video broadcast ... so he can in realtime explain the work done ... >> whilst he is broadcasting we can all be on IRC and I can act as >> moderator of the broadcast. >> >> >> Its easy for me to setup (as I just did it again for XML Prague) and >> works really well ... and is superior to skype as it gives Evgeny a >> forum to speak without too may people interrupting. >> >> >> So ... Evgeny are you up for it ? If so go onto irc to existdb and we >> can work out the technical details together then we can announce >> time/date for this 'performance' ! >> >> >> James Fuller >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval >> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs >> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. >> See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev >> _______________________________________________ Exist-development mailing list Exi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/exist-development > -- > Cheers, > > Dmitriy Shabanov > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval > Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs > proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. > See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev_______________________________________________ > Exist-development mailing list > Exi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/exist-development |
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From: James F. <jam...@ex...> - 2010-03-24 22:23:36
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On 24 March 2010 22:59, Loren Cahlander <lor...@gm...> wrote: > I agree that a monthly conference call would be a good thing. We should > try to agree on a week of the month and day of week, like the 2nd Sunday of > the month. We would have to come up with a time of day that we all can > reasonably attend. > a few observations: a) in my experience they phone conferences can quickly become unsustainable, sorry to sound negative but what will happen is 1-2 teleconferences then chaotic oscillator effect with sum energy being used to organise greater then sum useful output ... the video broadcast ,means its 'opt in' by interested individuals, ensures that the individual broadcasting is prepared and there is just enough comms via IRC ... though I maybe wrong about all this ;) b) 'many to many' conversations over the fone can be just as tedious as long email threads, I would rather optimize a 'broadcast' and enable with background channel via irc ... though I am not against phone conferences but lets schedule them one at a time. So that being said, when would be good for the 'next' fone conference c) we could organize 'points on the horizons' for future face to faces as far in advance as possible ... so that being said, whens the next one ? so 3 easy questions: 1) When is a good time for a fone conference for everyone ? 2) When is likely face to face to happen and what continent ? 3) I am going ahead with experiment ... I will be asking Evgeny to broadcast with me and we will release time for this (sometime in the coming week or so) ... I will give an overview on 'XProc development in eXist' and maybe 'Unit Testing XQuery overview'. thx J |
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From: Adam R. <ad...@ex...> - 2010-03-25 16:09:47
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Some great observations about teleconferencing Jim :-) I look forward to this experiment, let me know when I can subscribe... On 24 March 2010 22:17, James Fuller <jam...@ex...> wrote: > On 24 March 2010 22:59, Loren Cahlander <lor...@gm...> wrote: >> >> I agree that a monthly conference call would be a good thing. We should >> try to agree on a week of the month and day of week, like the 2nd Sunday of >> the month. We would have to come up with a time of day that we all can >> reasonably attend. > > a few observations: > a) in my experience they phone conferences can quickly become unsustainable, > sorry to sound negative but what will happen is 1-2 teleconferences then > chaotic oscillator effect with sum energy being used to organise greater > then sum useful output ... the video broadcast ,means its 'opt in' by > interested individuals, ensures that the individual broadcasting is prepared > and there is just enough comms via IRC ... though I maybe wrong about all > this ;) > b) 'many to many' conversations over the fone can be just as tedious as long > email threads, I would rather optimize a 'broadcast' and enable with > background channel via irc ... though I am not against phone conferences but > lets schedule them one at a time. So that being said, when would be good for > the 'next' fone conference > c) we could organize 'points on the horizons' for future face to faces as > far in advance as possible ... so that being said, whens the next one ? > so 3 easy questions: > > 1) When is a good time for a fone conference for everyone ? > 2) When is likely face to face to happen and what continent ? > 3) I am going ahead with experiment ... I will be asking Evgeny to broadcast > with me and we will release time for this (sometime in the coming week or > so) ... I will give an overview on 'XProc development in eXist' and maybe > 'Unit Testing XQuery overview'. > thx J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval > Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs > proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. > See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev > _______________________________________________ > Exist-development mailing list > Exi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/exist-development > > -- Adam Retter eXist Developer { United Kingdom } ad...@ex... irc://irc.freenode.net/existdb |
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From: James F. <jam...@ex...> - 2010-03-25 16:56:57
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I have yet to hear from Evgeny if he wants to do it our not ... otherwise I will go ahead with XQuery unit testing then do an XProc session ... just have to decide if people would pay me money (or beer) to wear pajamas and a tie ;) J On 25 March 2010 17:09, Adam Retter <ad...@ex...> wrote: > Some great observations about teleconferencing Jim :-) > > I look forward to this experiment, let me know when I can subscribe... > > On 24 March 2010 22:17, James Fuller <jam...@ex...> wrote: > > On 24 March 2010 22:59, Loren Cahlander <lor...@gm...> > wrote: > >> > >> I agree that a monthly conference call would be a good thing. We should > >> try to agree on a week of the month and day of week, like the 2nd Sunday > of > >> the month. We would have to come up with a time of day that we all can > >> reasonably attend. > > > > a few observations: > > a) in my experience they phone conferences can quickly become > unsustainable, > > sorry to sound negative but what will happen is 1-2 teleconferences then > > chaotic oscillator effect with sum energy being used to organise greater > > then sum useful output ... the video broadcast ,means its 'opt in' by > > interested individuals, ensures that the individual broadcasting is > prepared > > and there is just enough comms via IRC ... though I maybe wrong about all > > this ;) > > b) 'many to many' conversations over the fone can be just as tedious as > long > > email threads, I would rather optimize a 'broadcast' and enable with > > background channel via irc ... though I am not against phone conferences > but > > lets schedule them one at a time. So that being said, when would be good > for > > the 'next' fone conference > > c) we could organize 'points on the horizons' for future face to faces as > > far in advance as possible ... so that being said, whens the next one ? > > so 3 easy questions: > > > > 1) When is a good time for a fone conference for everyone ? > > 2) When is likely face to face to happen and what continent ? > > 3) I am going ahead with experiment ... I will be asking Evgeny to > broadcast > > with me and we will release time for this (sometime in the coming week or > > so) ... I will give an overview on 'XProc development in eXist' and maybe > > 'Unit Testing XQuery overview'. > > thx J > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval > > Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs > > proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. > > See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev > > _______________________________________________ > > Exist-development mailing list > > Exi...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/exist-development > > > > > > > > -- > Adam Retter > > eXist Developer > { United Kingdom } > ad...@ex... > irc://irc.freenode.net/existdb > |
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From: Adam R. <ad...@ex...> - 2010-03-25 16:40:29
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I would definitely buy you a beer for doing that :-) If you could slip a Sherlock Holmes style pipe into it, I might stretch to two beers... Hopefully we will here from Evgeny, we really need to but his extensions stuff to bed. On 25 March 2010 16:25, James Fuller <jam...@ex...> wrote: > I have yet to hear from Evgeny if he wants to do it our not ... otherwise I > will go ahead with XQuery unit testing then do an XProc session ... just > have to decide if people would pay me money (or beer) to wear pajamas and a > tie ;) > J > > On 25 March 2010 17:09, Adam Retter <ad...@ex...> wrote: >> >> Some great observations about teleconferencing Jim :-) >> >> I look forward to this experiment, let me know when I can subscribe... >> >> On 24 March 2010 22:17, James Fuller <jam...@ex...> wrote: >> > On 24 March 2010 22:59, Loren Cahlander <lor...@gm...> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I agree that a monthly conference call would be a good thing. We >> >> should >> >> try to agree on a week of the month and day of week, like the 2nd >> >> Sunday of >> >> the month. We would have to come up with a time of day that we all can >> >> reasonably attend. >> > >> > a few observations: >> > a) in my experience they phone conferences can quickly become >> > unsustainable, >> > sorry to sound negative but what will happen is 1-2 teleconferences then >> > chaotic oscillator effect with sum energy being used to organise greater >> > then sum useful output ... the video broadcast ,means its 'opt in' by >> > interested individuals, ensures that the individual broadcasting is >> > prepared >> > and there is just enough comms via IRC ... though I maybe wrong about >> > all >> > this ;) >> > b) 'many to many' conversations over the fone can be just as tedious as >> > long >> > email threads, I would rather optimize a 'broadcast' and enable with >> > background channel via irc ... though I am not against phone conferences >> > but >> > lets schedule them one at a time. So that being said, when would be good >> > for >> > the 'next' fone conference >> > c) we could organize 'points on the horizons' for future face to faces >> > as >> > far in advance as possible ... so that being said, whens the next one ? >> > so 3 easy questions: >> > >> > 1) When is a good time for a fone conference for everyone ? >> > 2) When is likely face to face to happen and what continent ? >> > 3) I am going ahead with experiment ... I will be asking Evgeny to >> > broadcast >> > with me and we will release time for this (sometime in the coming week >> > or >> > so) ... I will give an overview on 'XProc development in eXist' and >> > maybe >> > 'Unit Testing XQuery overview'. >> > thx J >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval >> > Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs >> > proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. >> > See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. >> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Exist-development mailing list >> > Exi...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/exist-development >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Adam Retter >> >> eXist Developer >> { United Kingdom } >> ad...@ex... >> irc://irc.freenode.net/existdb > > -- Adam Retter eXist Developer { United Kingdom } ad...@ex... irc://irc.freenode.net/existdb |
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From: Evgeny G. <gaz...@gm...> - 2010-03-25 17:13:17
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I'm agree, but my English is so bad :( I don't speak over ten years. ----------- Evgeny |
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From: James F. <jam...@ex...> - 2010-03-25 18:21:43
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On 25 March 2010 18:13, Evgeny Gazdovsky <gaz...@gm...> wrote: > I'm agree, but my English is so bad :( > I don't speak over ten years. > > and my Russian is worst ... though its clear to me that after many many emails I still don't fully understand the good work you are doing. If you do not want to do a live presentation then may I suggest you doing a doc based presentation ... trying to follow 40+ email threads on something we don't understand very well in the beginning is difficult. Unfortunately, this is probably due to the language barrier which means you need to work harder to help us understand and we have to listen harder to try and understand ... I am willing to listen if you are willing to make a coherent presentation. J |
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From: Evgeny G. <gaz...@gm...> - 2010-03-25 18:25:51
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> trying to follow 40+ email threads on something > we don't understand very well in the beginning is difficult. > Agree this is need to see :) ---------- Evgeny |
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From: Adam R. <ad...@ex...> - 2010-03-26 09:58:58
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As well as your native languages, is there a common language that you
and Dmitriy share? Perhaps he would be kind enough to translate for
you, his English is very good.
On 25 March 2010 17:13, Evgeny Gazdovsky <gaz...@gm...> wrote:
> I'm agree, but my English is so bad :(
> I don't speak over ten years.
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> -----------
> Evgeny
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Adam Retter
eXist Developer
{ United Kingdom }
ad...@ex...
irc://irc.freenode.net/existdb
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From: Dmitriy S. <sha...@gm...> - 2010-03-27 16:36:34
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Evgeny, you can send Russian version & I'll translate it. On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 09:58 +0000, Adam Retter wrote: > As well as your native languages, is there a common language that you > and Dmitriy share? Perhaps he would be kind enough to translate for > you, his English is very good. > > On 25 March 2010 17:13, Evgeny Gazdovsky <gaz...@gm...> wrote: > > I'm agree, but my English is so bad :( > > I don't speak over ten years. -- Cheers, Dmitriy Shabanov |
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