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Re: [Exist-development] a new experiment was ....Re: Renaming the "lib" extension

[James F. <jam...@ex...>]

On 25 March 2010 18:13, Evgeny Gazdovsky <gaz...@gm...> wrote:

> I'm agree, but my English is so bad :(
> I don't speak over ten years.
>
>
and my Russian is worst ... though its clear to me that after many many
emails I still don't fully understand the good work you are doing.

If you do not want to do a live presentation then may I suggest you doing a
doc based presentation ... trying to follow 40+ email threads on something
we don't understand very well in the beginning is difficult.

Unfortunately, this is probably due to the language barrier which means you
need to work harder to help us understand and we have to listen harder to
try and understand ... I am willing to listen if you are willing to make a
coherent presentation.

J

Re: [Exist-development] First draft of "A Beginners Guide to XRX on eXist"

[Chris W. <Chr...@uw...>]

Yes that's more or less what I had in mind  My model in this is Knuths work with Literate Programming. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literate_programming

The longer Wikibook examples attempt to explain the role of the code in an order which makes sense to the reader - which is not the order or level of detail required of the code.  Implementations of Knuth's idea start from a single source document, from which both the literary explanation and the code is generated.  I'd prefer an approach in which the literary explanation contained references to the XQuery scripts and included the text, suitably formatted for the specified language in the generated HTML 

So the extensions would be something like:

<include lang="xquery" source="/db/Wiki/lib/geo.xqm" function="latlong-2-mercator(,,,)"/>

or 

<include lang="xquery" source="/db/Wiki/geo/map.xg" start="10" end="20"/>

or 

<include lang="xml" source="/db/Wiki/dashboard/config.xml"/>

or 

<include lang="xquery" execute="yes">
 
  ("a","b","c")[last()

</include>

as well as simple links to execute a URL relative to a document base - this a  problem in the Wikibook where all the URLS are absolute

BTW I assume the AtomicWiki uses versioning to maintain a version history?

Chris
______________________________________
From: Wolfgang Meier [wol...@ex...]
Sent: 25 March 2010 16:32
To: Adam Retter
Cc: da...@da...; exi...@li...; Henry Neils; Chris Wallace
Subject: Re: [Exist-development] First draft of "A Beginners Guide to XRX on    eXist"

> I suggested that Atomic might be a good solution with a few minor
> additions/modifications for his needs.

Yes, that's one of the main features of Atomic. But we could also
extend our docbook stylesheets to do the same magic: show the source
code of an XQuery and at the same time the results of its execution.
We would just need to pass the document through an XQuery which
expands a certain set of tags before passing the content on to the
final stylesheet. This is easy to achieve through a controller
pipeline (or xproc, if you prefer).

Wolfgang

Re: [Exist-development] a new experiment was ....Re: Renaming the "lib" extension

[Evgeny G. <gaz...@gm...>]

I'm agree, but my English is so bad :(
I don't speak over ten years.

-----------
Evgeny

Re: [Exist-development] [Exist-open] Mini-conference in Minnesota (planning)

[Palmer, E. <ep...@ri...>]

The university of Richmond would probably send 2 people maybe 3.  
Depended on dates. We don't have preferred dates. It is just people  
schedule vacations as well.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 25, 2010, at 11:46 AM, "Loren Cahlander" <lor...@gm... 
 > wrote:

>
> On Mar 25, 2010, at 09:24 AM, Wolfgang Meier wrote:
>
>>> There was talk of an eXistentialists mini-conference/get together  
>>> in Minnesota sometime this summer.
>>
>> I think Loren is mainly waiting for an answer from me. If I fly to
>> Minnesota, I would like to combine it with a private visit and/or a
>> short holiday with my wife. Otherwise, the flight would be too
>> expensive. I will probably have a chance to clarify this on the
>> weekend.
>>
>> Wolfgang
>
>
> That is correct.  If Wolfgang is available to attend, then his  
> schedule will be used to set the date(s) of the gathering.  If he is  
> not able to attend, then we will go ahead and make plans for  
> sometime early this summer.
>
> It would also help to know how many people would be planning on  
> attending.  I know that not having a fixed date makes it difficult  
> to commit, but please let me know directly (through 'reply' and not  
> 'reply all') if you could be attending if schedules work out.  It  
> would also help to know what dates people would prefer, what topics  
> they would like covered, and if they have any presentations for the  
> community.
>
> Knowing how many people are planning on attending will help us to  
> plan the size and scope of the gathering.
>
> I will consolidate all of the feedback and give the community a  
> summary of the responses.
>
> Loren
> +1 952-460-1675
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Re: [Exist-development] Renaming the "lib" extension

[Evgeny G. <gaz...@gm...>]

> This really sounds like a bad idea. Please don;t.......... really in
> that case jars in database is a better idea. This way exist jars
> become one big unmaintainable mess.
>
Why? we are sign jars by ant script, during building exist.
So putting then into one or some "shared" folder(s) is more
maintainable, then put them into db.
In last case after rebuilding exist or after replacing old jars
by new, you must update them in the db too.

Example:
$EXIST_HOME/lib/* - for unsigned jars
$EXIST_HOME/lib-signed/* - for signed

so "lib" or "WEB-INF/lib" are used by eXist in different modes.
"lib-signed" for share jars via webstart/applets or any other purpose.

------------
Evgeny

Re: [Exist-development] a new experiment was ....Re: Renaming the "lib" extension

[James F. <jam...@ex...>]

I have yet to hear from Evgeny if he wants to do it our not ... otherwise I
will go ahead with XQuery unit testing then do an XProc session ... just
have to decide if people would pay me money (or beer) to wear pajamas and a
tie ;)

J


On 25 March 2010 17:09, Adam Retter <ad...@ex...> wrote:

> Some great observations about teleconferencing Jim :-)
>
> I look forward to this experiment, let me know when I can subscribe...
>
> On 24 March 2010 22:17, James Fuller <jam...@ex...> wrote:
> > On 24 March 2010 22:59, Loren Cahlander <lor...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree that a monthly conference call would be a good thing.  We should
> >> try to agree on a week of the month and day of week, like the 2nd Sunday
> of
> >> the month.  We would have to come up with a time of day that we all can
> >> reasonably attend.
> >
> > a few observations:
> > a) in my experience they phone conferences can quickly become
> unsustainable,
> > sorry to sound negative but what will happen is 1-2 teleconferences then
> > chaotic oscillator effect with sum energy being used to organise greater
> > then sum useful output ... the video broadcast ,means its 'opt in' by
> > interested individuals, ensures that the individual broadcasting is
> prepared
> > and there is just enough comms via IRC ... though I maybe wrong about all
> > this ;)
> > b) 'many to many' conversations over the fone can be just as tedious as
> long
> > email threads, I would rather optimize a 'broadcast' and enable with
> > background channel via irc ... though I am not against phone conferences
> but
> > lets schedule them one at a time. So that being said, when would be good
> for
> > the 'next' fone conference
> > c) we could organize 'points on the horizons' for future face to faces as
> > far in advance as possible ... so that being said, whens the next one ?
> > so 3 easy questions:
> >
> > 1) When is a good time for a fone conference for everyone  ?
> > 2)  When is likely face to face to happen and what continent ?
> > 3) I am going ahead with experiment ... I will be asking Evgeny to
> broadcast
> > with me and we will release time for this (sometime in the coming week or
> > so) ... I will give an overview on 'XProc development in eXist' and maybe
> > 'Unit Testing XQuery overview'.
> > thx J
> >
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Re: [Exist-development] Renaming the "lib" extension

[Dannes W. <da...@ex...>]

Hi,

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Evgeny Gazdovsky <gaz...@gm...> wrote:
> Suggest one more: add folder(s) for signed jars.
> You sign then you share these jars, aren't you?

This really sounds like a bad idea. Please don;t.......... really in
that case jars in database is a better idea. This way exist jars
become one big unmaintainable mess.


> PS. And all tests (fluent) will be work as well too.

Good. that is the regression part. Please some progression tests as well....

D.



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Re: [Exist-development] Renaming the "lib" extension

[Wolfgang M. <wol...@ex...>]

@Adam:

> Maybe I missed something (most likely), but I am not clear on what the
> 'gate' module is, what functionality it offers and  who it is useful
> for (apart from Gev obviously)?

I did not understood it either until Evgeny demonstrated what it does.

@Evgeny:

I would suggest to accept Jim's offer and do a live presentation. It
would help to bring all those discussions to an end and find a
solution. You don't need to talk for long.

> Suggest one more: add folder(s) for signed jars.
> You sign then you share these jars, aren't you?

I guess it could be an option if we really need this kind of feature.
The jar signing can be pretty complicated though and I broke it a few
times myself. It is pretty annoying. Anyway, Dannes knows a lot more
about it, so I'm waiting for his opinion.

Wolfgang

Re: [Exist-development] a new experiment was ....Re: Renaming the "lib" extension

[Adam R. <ad...@ex...>]

I would definitely buy you a beer for doing that :-)

If you could slip a Sherlock Holmes style pipe into it, I might
stretch to two beers...

Hopefully we will here from Evgeny, we really need to but his
extensions stuff to bed.


On 25 March 2010 16:25, James Fuller <jam...@ex...> wrote:
> I have yet to hear from Evgeny if he wants to do it our not ... otherwise I
> will go ahead with XQuery unit testing then do an XProc session ... just
> have to decide if people would pay me money (or beer) to wear pajamas and a
> tie ;)
> J
>
> On 25 March 2010 17:09, Adam Retter <ad...@ex...> wrote:
>>
>> Some great observations about teleconferencing Jim :-)
>>
>> I look forward to this experiment, let me know when I can subscribe...
>>
>> On 24 March 2010 22:17, James Fuller <jam...@ex...> wrote:
>> > On 24 March 2010 22:59, Loren Cahlander <lor...@gm...>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I agree that a monthly conference call would be a good thing.  We
>> >> should
>> >> try to agree on a week of the month and day of week, like the 2nd
>> >> Sunday of
>> >> the month.  We would have to come up with a time of day that we all can
>> >> reasonably attend.
>> >
>> > a few observations:
>> > a) in my experience they phone conferences can quickly become
>> > unsustainable,
>> > sorry to sound negative but what will happen is 1-2 teleconferences then
>> > chaotic oscillator effect with sum energy being used to organise greater
>> > then sum useful output ... the video broadcast ,means its 'opt in' by
>> > interested individuals, ensures that the individual broadcasting is
>> > prepared
>> > and there is just enough comms via IRC ... though I maybe wrong about
>> > all
>> > this ;)
>> > b) 'many to many' conversations over the fone can be just as tedious as
>> > long
>> > email threads, I would rather optimize a 'broadcast' and enable with
>> > background channel via irc ... though I am not against phone conferences
>> > but
>> > lets schedule them one at a time. So that being said, when would be good
>> > for
>> > the 'next' fone conference
>> > c) we could organize 'points on the horizons' for future face to faces
>> > as
>> > far in advance as possible ... so that being said, whens the next one ?
>> > so 3 easy questions:
>> >
>> > 1) When is a good time for a fone conference for everyone  ?
>> > 2)  When is likely face to face to happen and what continent ?
>> > 3) I am going ahead with experiment ... I will be asking Evgeny to
>> > broadcast
>> > with me and we will release time for this (sometime in the coming week
>> > or
>> > so) ... I will give an overview on 'XProc development in eXist' and
>> > maybe
>> > 'Unit Testing XQuery overview'.
>> > thx J
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Download Intel&#174; Parallel Studio Eval
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>> >
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Exist-development] Renaming the "lib" extension

[Evgeny G. <gaz...@gm...>]

> Yes I would agree to that as well. It should only be DBA, for example
> what about my potentially proprietary extensions and libraries to
> eXist that are top secret that I keep in lib/endorsed and lib/user, I
> certainly dont want anyone gaining access to those files!
>
> As such if it does require DBA style security, then this module seems
> somewhat redundant as you could just use the file module!
>
lib functions haven't sense with DBA access  only,
possible use file module instead.

Suggest one more: add folder(s) for signed jars.
You sign then you share these jars, aren't you?

PS. And all tests (fluent) will be work as well too.

-----------
Evgeny

Re: [Exist-development] Renaming the "lib" extension

[Adam R. <ad...@ex...>]

2010/3/24 Wolfgang Meier <wol...@ex...>:
>> Which, if I undertand it correctly, also means one of its main
>> incentives is void. Making this more like a remove decision.
>
> Well, as I understand it, Evgeny primarily needs the lib module for
> his gate extension.

Maybe I missed something (most likely), but I am not clear on what the
'gate' module is, what functionality it offers and  who it is useful
for (apart from Gev obviously)?

Also, this lib module that seems to be in contention, if it is only
used by the 'gate' module, why is it separate? Why not keep it as part
of the 'gate' module?


> Evgeny, could you find a way to secure the lib module while keeping
> the gate functionality (even though the latter is not directly related
> to eXist, I see the benefits it will have as an example for users)?
>
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: [Exist-development] First draft of "A Beginners Guide to XRX on eXist"

[Wolfgang M. <wol...@ex...>]

> I suggested that Atomic might be a good solution with a few minor
> additions/modifications for his needs.

Yes, that's one of the main features of Atomic. But we could also
extend our docbook stylesheets to do the same magic: show the source
code of an XQuery and at the same time the results of its execution.
We would just need to pass the document through an XQuery which
expands a certain set of tags before passing the content on to the
final stylesheet. This is easy to achieve through a controller
pipeline (or xproc, if you prefer).

Wolfgang

Re: [Exist-development] Binary resources not deleted when a collection is moved into existing collection with the same name.

[Thomas W. <tho...@gm...>]

EXIST_HOME  is  D:\eXist2
JAVA SDK HOME C:\Java\jdk1.6.0_16

Has anyone been able to reproduce this bug?

Thomas

Re: [Exist-development] Renaming the "lib" extension

[Adam R. <ad...@ex...>]

> shouldn't those functions be limited to a dba user? Allowing guest to
> download any jar file from certain eXist directories seems to be a
> security issue.

Yes I would agree to that as well. It should only be DBA, for example
what about my potentially proprietary extensions and libraries to
eXist that are top secret that I keep in lib/endorsed and lib/user, I
certainly dont want anyone gaining access to those files!

As such if it does require DBA style security, then this module seems
somewhat redundant as you could just use the file module!



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Re: [Exist-development] First draft of "A Beginners Guide to XRX on eXist"

[Adam R. <ad...@ex...>]

> Could we export the wikibook contents to XML and set up a search page
> within eXist which can directly query for topics, titles, examples and
> the like?

I think Chris Wallace might be interested in this. He was looking for
a better platform for the Wikibook content, where he could display the
source of an XQuery as part of an example on a page without having to
copy and paste the code and keep both maintained.

I suggested that Atomic might be a good solution with a few minor
additions/modifications for his needs.


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>
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Re: [Exist-development] a new experiment was ....Re: Renaming the "lib" extension

[Adam R. <ad...@ex...>]

Some great observations about teleconferencing Jim :-)

I look forward to this experiment, let me know when I can subscribe...

On 24 March 2010 22:17, James Fuller <jam...@ex...> wrote:
> On 24 March 2010 22:59, Loren Cahlander <lor...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>> I agree that a monthly conference call would be a good thing.  We should
>> try to agree on a week of the month and day of week, like the 2nd Sunday of
>> the month.  We would have to come up with a time of day that we all can
>> reasonably attend.
>
> a few observations:
> a) in my experience they phone conferences can quickly become unsustainable,
> sorry to sound negative but what will happen is 1-2 teleconferences then
> chaotic oscillator effect with sum energy being used to organise greater
> then sum useful output ... the video broadcast ,means its 'opt in' by
> interested individuals, ensures that the individual broadcasting is prepared
> and there is just enough comms via IRC ... though I maybe wrong about all
> this ;)
> b) 'many to many' conversations over the fone can be just as tedious as long
> email threads, I would rather optimize a 'broadcast' and enable with
> background channel via irc ... though I am not against phone conferences but
> lets schedule them one at a time. So that being said, when would be good for
> the 'next' fone conference
> c) we could organize 'points on the horizons' for future face to faces as
> far in advance as possible ... so that being said, whens the next one ?
> so 3 easy questions:
>
> 1) When is a good time for a fone conference for everyone  ?
> 2)  When is likely face to face to happen and what continent ?
> 3) I am going ahead with experiment ... I will be asking Evgeny to broadcast
> with me and we will release time for this (sometime in the coming week or
> so) ... I will give an overview on 'XProc development in eXist' and maybe
> 'Unit Testing XQuery overview'.
> thx J
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Re: [Exist-development] Mini-conference in Minnesota (planning)

[James F. <jam...@ex...>]

might be able to bundle up a trip to east (Rhode Island/NYC/MA) or
west(Redmond,Silicon Valley) but can't make any commitment right now.

J


On 25 March 2010 16:48, Loren Cahlander <lor...@gm...> wrote:

>
> On Mar 25, 2010, at 09:24 AM, Wolfgang Meier wrote:
>
> >> There was talk of an eXistentialists mini-conference/get together in
> Minnesota sometime this summer.
> >
> > I think Loren is mainly waiting for an answer from me. If I fly to
> > Minnesota, I would like to combine it with a private visit and/or a
> > short holiday with my wife. Otherwise, the flight would be too
> > expensive. I will probably have a chance to clarify this on the
> > weekend.
> >
> > Wolfgang
>
>
> That is correct.  If Wolfgang is available to attend, then his schedule
> will be used to set the date(s) of the gathering.  If he is not able to
> attend, then we will go ahead and make plans for sometime early this summer.
>
> It would also help to know how many people would be planning on attending.
>  I know that not having a fixed date makes it difficult to commit, but
> please let me know directly (through 'reply' and not 'reply all') if you
> could be attending if schedules work out.  It would also help to know what
> dates people would prefer, what topics they would like covered, and if they
> have any presentations for the community.
>
> Knowing how many people are planning on attending will help us to plan the
> size and scope of the gathering.
>
> I will consolidate all of the feedback and give the community a summary of
> the responses.
>
> Loren
> +1 952-460-1675
>
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Re: [Exist-development] Binary resources not deleted when a collection is moved into existing collection with the same name.

[Adam R. <ad...@ex...>]

Thomas,

Out of interest where is your EXIST_HOME located, I know on Windows
there are issues with the Sun JDK and operations on files under
specific folders of the USERPROFILE folders.

Thanks Adam.

On 23 March 2010 15:49, Thomas White <tho...@gm...> wrote:
> I identified a problem and I have prepared a test file that reproduces the
> problem.
> When we move a collection to an existing collection with the same name the
> original folder corresponding to the original collection stays in the file
> system after the move. Then when we delete all collections, say using
> Oxygen, all folders in the fs stay there.
>
> To create the problem:
>
> 0. extract the zip into webaps/bres
> 1. execute http://localhost:8080/exist/bres/test.xql
> 2. check the fs : WEB-INF\data\fs\db\bres - there are two JS files in
> WEB-INF\data\fs\db\bres\moved-here\stored-coll\js
> 3. Delete /db/bres from Oxygen.
> 4. Check WEB-INF\data\fs\db\bres - all is fine.
>
> 5. execute http://localhost:8080/exist/bres/test.xql twice.
> 6.  check the fs : WEB-INF\data\fs\db\bres - not only
>  WEB-INF\data\fs\db\bres\moved-here\stored-coll\js  is there but
> WEB-INF\data\fs\db\bres\stored-coll where the directory was copied into the
> db initially is still there.
>
> 7. Delete /db/bres from Oxygen.
> 8. All directories under WEB-INF\data\fs\db\bres are still there. The
> original files are still there as well.
>
> the only way to fix it at the moment is to manually delete
> WEB-INF\data\fs\db\bres folder.
>
>
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Re: [Exist-development] Moving access method mechanisms...

[Evgeny G. <gaz...@gm...>]

>> While it is basically a good idea to make those interfaces more
>> pluggable, I don't like Evgeny's proposal to *replace* them with
>> XQuery. WebDAV or XMLRPC are critical components of eXist.
>

I'm agree, not just. I say that all this protocols are XML and
XQuery is prefer then Java.
Possible combine both methods, for webdav.

PS What you think about special folder(s) for signed jars?


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Evgeny

[Exist-development] Mini-conference in Minnesota (planning)

[Loren C. <lor...@gm...>]

On Mar 25, 2010, at 09:24 AM, Wolfgang Meier wrote:

>> There was talk of an eXistentialists mini-conference/get together in Minnesota sometime this summer.
> 
> I think Loren is mainly waiting for an answer from me. If I fly to
> Minnesota, I would like to combine it with a private visit and/or a
> short holiday with my wife. Otherwise, the flight would be too
> expensive. I will probably have a chance to clarify this on the
> weekend.
> 
> Wolfgang


That is correct.  If Wolfgang is available to attend, then his schedule will be used to set the date(s) of the gathering.  If he is not able to attend, then we will go ahead and make plans for sometime early this summer.

It would also help to know how many people would be planning on attending.  I know that not having a fixed date makes it difficult to commit, but please let me know directly (through 'reply' and not 'reply all') if you could be attending if schedules work out.  It would also help to know what dates people would prefer, what topics they would like covered, and if they have any presentations for the community.

Knowing how many people are planning on attending will help us to plan the size and scope of the gathering.

I will consolidate all of the feedback and give the community a summary of the responses.

Loren
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Re: [Exist-development] Moving access method mechanisms...

[Andrzej J. T. <an...@ch...>]

Wolfgang:

> While it is basically a good idea to make those interfaces more
> pluggable, I don't like Evgeny's proposal to *replace* them with
> XQuery. WebDAV or XMLRPC are critical components of eXist.

I agree, and didn not mean to suggest that we should replace these....just make 'em pluggable sometime down the road.

> We also just don't have the development resources to work on too many
> side-projects. We should stick to the really important stuff. The 1.4
> release does seem to run very stable and I'm not ready to risk the
> achieved stability by starting unnecessary redesigns. There are enough
> things to work at in the core.

+1 on that, though in the long term I think some re-architecting to make various access methods and extensions external
and pluggable would go a long way to simplifying the eXist core and thus making it more easily maintainable and
extensible in the long term.

-- 
Andrzej Taramina
Chaeron Corporation: Enterprise System Solutions
http://www.chaeron.com

Re: [Exist-development] Moving access method mechanisms...

[Wolfgang M. <wol...@ex...>]

> +1 for making this stuff more modular and pluggable.

While it is basically a good idea to make those interfaces more
pluggable, I don't like Evgeny's proposal to *replace* them with
XQuery. WebDAV or XMLRPC are critical components of eXist.

We also just don't have the development resources to work on too many
side-projects. We should stick to the really important stuff. The 1.4
release does seem to run very stable and I'm not ready to risk the
achieved stability by starting unnecessary redesigns. There are enough
things to work at in the core.

Wolfgang

Re: [Exist-development] Moving access method mechanisms...

[Andrzej J. T. <an...@ch...>]

Evgeny suggested:

> Think that we must move some eXist's functionality like
> webdav, atom, xmlrpc from servlet layer to xquery webapp.
> It will be more flexible. And developers could change
> functionality of  this webapp in they's application.
> So possible add virtual collections for webdav.
> 
> We need only some basic servlets like REST or XQueryServlet.

I would love to see some of these more "exotic" access mechanisms become optional plugins, that exist (pardon the pun)
outside of the core eXist code repository, as distinct sub-projects.  Sort of like the concept of external extensions
we've discussed.

Then users could more finely tune which components/access mechanisms they wanted to install/enable which would provide
for a lighter footprint, and smaller security surface being exposed.

+1 for making this stuff more modular and pluggable.

-- 
Andrzej Taramina
Chaeron Corporation: Enterprise System Solutions
http://www.chaeron.com

Re: [Exist-development] Next F2F....

[Wolfgang M. <wol...@ex...>]

> There was talk of an eXistentialists mini-conference/get together in Minnesota sometime this summer.

I think Loren is mainly waiting for an answer from me. If I fly to
Minnesota, I would like to combine it with a private visit and/or a
short holiday with my wife. Otherwise, the flight would be too
expensive. I will probably have a chance to clarify this on the
weekend.

Wolfgang

Re: [Exist-development] Next F2F....

[Andrzej J. T. <an...@ch...>]

James inquires:

> we could organize 'points on the horizons' for future face to faces as
> far in advance as possible ... so that being said, whens the next one ?

There was talk of an eXistentialists mini-conference/get together in Minnesota sometime this summer.

Not sure what's happening with that....I had offered to present/demo a case study on our healthcare app which is
virtually 100% eXist based.

Loren....any ideas/progress on a MN get together this summer?

-- 
Andrzej Taramina
Chaeron Corporation: Enterprise System Solutions
http://www.chaeron.com